From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:41 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n089' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #89 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Friday, September 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 089 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:32:50 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Heat Crayons At 08:29 AM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have used lower temp heat crayons, I don't have an idea as to who sells >them on trade >name is tempr-sticks I believe. I would suggest going to your library and >looking in the >good old Thomas Guides. > >Bill Higdon > Steve Bennett, Great Plaines Aircraft Supply, used to sell heat pellets for monitoring temperatures. Don't have his catalog handy, so not sure if they are still available. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Ricky Pitman In a message dated 97-09-03 01:19:41 EDT, you write: > Hello All, > > It is with great sadness that I write this letter. As already forwarded > by mike Mimms, I had a heart attack at work last Wednesday night.> > I was already diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic and was > fighting that to reinstate my medical. I am afraid that this has > finished it for good. Any how, I am home recovering.> > Ricky Pitman Hello Ricky, Because, I am grounded too because of this stupid CFS, I think your recovery will be a lot faster than mine because I am still suffering. I am sure you will remain part of the KR family for as long as you want to. Take Care and God Bless! -- Adrian VE6AFY Hi Guys....I think about this very thing from time to time and wonder what I'd do if ever in that situation. I was talking to an ultralight driver a couple of years ago who was faced with this situation some years prior. He told me, "Every pilot is just a medical away from being an ultralight pilot." He got one of the models that handled similar to what he'd been used to flying and has been flying ever since. I've never forgotten what he said and realized that should that ever happen to me and I really wanted to fly as I'm sure I would, I would still have a way to do it. Just food for thought. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:30:14 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: plane joke, no archive Hunter in canada kills a moose and wants to fly it out. Pilot says "can't be done, too much weight" Hunter says I'll tell you how we did it last year: "Cut it up and strap it to the pontoons" Pilot says OK and does this. He then fires up the engine and proceeds to take off Plane struggles to get airborne, finally lifts off but crashes into the trees beyond the pond Pilot looks over at the hunter and says " I thought this is how you did it last year" Hunter says "yes, and this is about where we crashed last year" (This technique might work for hauling moose with a KR if CG is OK) Bob Smith, Albany, NY (my favorite clean joke) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: LVav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tires In a message dated 97-09-03 18:30:02 EDT, you write: << saw post post recently for Lamb replacements. They are called Cheng Shin. I remember using them years ago on a boat trailer and also a wheelbarrow (when they were no longer any good for the trailer. They worked good. AS&S sells them (although I hear tell they are listed as Lamb - and then send Cheng Shin instead), but even better, try: GREEN BALL COMAPANY in California (213) 636-2364 Ask for Craig and tell him you want the same tires (and good deal - much better than AS&sS) that some buddies of your's got. Tell him Barry Weber & Alan Thayer sent you. They are a couple quickie builders and flyers. Cheng Shin bought the mold Micheal Lamb was using and now is serving that market. 11X4.00-5 8 ply with Tube was around $15. At the time AS&S was selling them for about $28 plus $8 for the tube. Good luck. If you have problems, Email me or Mike Mims direct. Since we are in Southern Cal, we may be able to iron out problems faster for ya. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com >> My '97 Wick's catalog has them for $14.99 for the 6 ply and $16.66 for the 8 ply. They even have a 2 ply for $11.01. And if you need a catalog the # to call is 1-800-221-9425. I'll bring mine to the Gathering but I'm sure someone else will too. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com KR-2S 2% complete __I__ ______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:51:42 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Jim Faughn > Patrick Flowers wrote: > > Cary Honeywell wrote: > > > Yada Yada Yada > > Yada Yada > > I use it in my fuel only for a different reason than I have heard so > far. I have found that my valve seats will rust between flights and if I > use the oil in my fuel along with plugging the exhaust pipe with an oily > rag then I don't have the problem any more. (snip) I have to assume that the plugging of the exhaust is done when you are not using the engine. After having removed the heads once, I'm not anxious to do it again except to re-seat the valves after 50 hours. I now see how rust can occur on the valves. The exhaust goes directly over them, and so does any accumulated moisture. Thanks for the tip, and thanks to all who replied. I first heard obout this stuff at Oshkosh when I was discussing a piston ring problem with the guy at the flymarket who was selling water-cooled auto engine conversions. He just said to add the Mystery oil to the system and watch the oil consumption drop, if the rings were the problem. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:40:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: elevator hinges; lawyers >> 1. Plans call for 9/32 metal (alum.) beyond the 3/16 bolt hole (hinge >> axis) for the elevator hinge. If I drill a 5/16 hole for the oilite >> bearing modification, is it OK to leave the same 9/32 beyond the hole or >> do I need more? (how much more?) >I answered one like this some time ago, but I'll do it again since it is easy >>once you know the method. I will NOT say if it is OK, I am a chicken when > it comes to liability and civil tort. (If you think a tort is a pastry, I have >some land for sale) > >Using 6061T6 aluminum, the following numbers represent the ultimate strength >in >three different ways. . . . [several screens of calculations omitted] >I hope this gives enough information to help you out and I am sorry that >there are too many lawyers out in the world. Actually, it would be easier just to follow the standard rules of thumb for designing parts, which is that the edge margin should be twice the diameter of the hole. By that analysis, the stock hinge has insufficient metal on it even for the standard hole. See Wanttaja's Kitplane Construction and some of Bingelis's books for this info. I hope these rules are not new to anyone here. As a lawyer myself (though not a tort lawyer), I sometimes smile at how many people speak out against lawyers without knowing much about the law. As long as a defective homebuilt kills only the pilot or passengers, I think it's EXTREMELY doubtful that any jury would hold someone liable for opinions on the Internet concerning how to build it, even if they turned out to be wrong. In fact, I'm not sure such a case could even make it to trial, because you could hardly find 12 people for a jury who didn't already think this hobby was suicidal and insane, and that anyone building a plane from advice on the Internet (which, in the popular press, is mostly composed of pedophiles, stalkers and survivalist cultists) got what he deserved for not knowing what he was doing. In addition, the defense could point to the little sign on the panel telling passengers the plane does not conform to federal safety standards. Concerning tort lawyers, I personally think general aviation needs MORE of these for a few class-action suits: I doubt that owners of boats, cars, or any other vehicles in America would let manufacturers regularly get away with sending them notices telling them the vehicle was defectively manufactured and had to be repaired entirely at THEIR cost, but this happens in aviation all the time. Maybe pilots are just too sheeplike. . . . Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: major screwup? > The original plans do >call for 5 ply mahogany plywood. At the time the design was drawn up, >mahogany plywood was relatively inexpensive and readily available. As the >trees suitable for aircraft quality materials became scarce the mahogany >plywood became an item in short supply, other materials were substituted. 5 >ply birch was looked at but was too heavy and had more strength than was >needed. 3 ply birch came closest to the mahogany in strength and as a >bonus, there was a slight weight advantage. I wasn't aware that suppliers >were substituting the birch though. You might confirm the substitution was >intentional with them. I'm sure you'll be told much the same as I outlined >above. There was a thread here once suggesting that the Rand Robinson birch was quite a bit heavier than their mahogany. Is that the 5-ply stuff? If 3-ply birch is strong enough, that would be better than the mahogany since it wouldn't waste scarce trees. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:28:58 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: All stub fittings DONE! Micheal Mims wrote: > > Well all my fittings on my stub wings are finished and mounted along with > all the aileron brackets and belcranks! Woo Hoo!. Cable rigging soon to > follow,... pictures tomorrow at 11:00pm! > > I was sitting pondering tonight's progress and a question arose. What do > you use for control stops in the ailerons? I don't remember seeing anything > in the plans (there at the garage right now) and a simple solution doesn't > come to mind. Good Question. I was pondering that after reading Vaughn Askew's[sp!] book. I figured it could wait until final rigging checks... Hmmm. -- Ross Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 SABER Engineering voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:34:45 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: elevator hinges; lawyers > > As a lawyer myself (though not a tort lawyer), I sometimes smile at how many > people speak out against lawyers without knowing much about the law. As long > as a defective homebuilt kills only the pilot or passengers, I think it's > EXTREMELY doubtful that any jury would hold someone liable for opinions on > the Internet concerning how to build it, even if they turned out to be wrong. > In fact, I'm not sure such a case could even make it to trial, because you > could hardly find 12 people for a jury who didn't already think this hobby > was suicidal and insane, and that anyone building a plane from advice on the > Internet (which, in the popular press, is mostly composed of pedophiles, > stalkers and survivalist cultists) got what he deserved for not knowing what > he was doing. In addition, the defense could point to the little sign on the > panel telling passengers the plane does not conform to federal safety > standards. > > Concerning tort lawyers, I personally think general aviation needs MORE of > these for a few class-action suits: I doubt that owners of boats, cars, or > any other vehicles in America would let manufacturers regularly get away with > sending them notices telling them the vehicle was defectively manufactured > and had to be repaired entirely at THEIR cost, but this happens in aviation > all the time. Maybe pilots are just too sheeplike. . . . > > Mike Taglieri Mike, I agree with this post! I am insane! I admit it! But it's sure fun. -- Ross (Insane KRNET administrator) -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 SABER Engineering voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: elevator hinges; lawyers In a message dated 97-09-04 12:42:53 EDT, MikeT wrote: <<...In fact, I'm not sure such a case could even make it to trial, because you could hardly find 12 people for a jury who didn't already think this hobby was suicidal and insane, and that anyone building a plane from advice on the Internet (which, in the popular press, is mostly composed of pedophiles, stalkers and survivalist cultists) got what he deserved for not knowing what he was doing... >> Is he talking about me???? My wife calls me all three, but I didn't know if was such common knowledge... <...Maybe pilots are just too sheeplike. . . .>> I can think of two better animals for comparison, ie a Donkey/horse relative - - but not herdable (is that a word?) like sheep. In our EAA chapter, we find that dealing with pilots is like trying to herd cats - they only mind when they are road kill, and then they just lay there. Randy (soon to be tarred and feathered) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: control stops In a message dated 9/4/97 12:17:59 PM, you wrote: <> How about your legs located on either side of the stick? ;o) Steve Horn Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:06:00 -0700 From: David Turley Subject: Re: KR: Fuel additive Ed Janssen wrote: > > As long as we are on the subject of additives, wonder if anyone has had > experience or knowledge about the additive which is supposed to be a > scavenger for lead - for those of us who will be burning 100LL. Can't > remember the name of the product, of course, but someone will know. > > Ed Janssen "TriCressel Phosphate" comes to mind as the chemical makeup of this stuff. Wierd thing is that I can remember the chemical but not the name on the bottle! We used this stuff on C-150's after 80 octane became ungettable. Check your supermarket shelves! - -- David Turley - Silverdale, Washington http://www.hurricane.net/~daturley (for pics of my Horizon and Subaru EA-81 installation) mailto:daturley@hurricane.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:15:04 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Website Updates I have been updating the KR member page, I think I will change it and call it the virtural KR-fly-in as you can hop over and check out many users websites from this location. I just checked out Ernest Koppe's web site http://www.flash.net/~ekoppe/krpage/krpage.html It's worth a look. I took the liberty of grabbing some project photos from a couple of KRNETTERs and placing them in the member directory so you have an idea of what is at the users website. Check it out at: http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yerbook.htm -- Ross rossy@teleport.com Corvallis, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: DFly speeds KRHeads: This was on the DFly list. A snapshot of the fastest cruize speeds for the tandem wings. This was a result of their outing last weekend. Triangler course of about 125 miles total (if memory serves me correctly). If was billed as a "performance evaluation" and not a race: <> Looks like the real world numbers for tandem wings (most of them VW powered) are similar to the relationship we see between KRs in the real world and what we see in a certain Kitplanes ad for KRs. This is a good reason to "keep it light" so you can cruise faster. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA PS - These guys had a ball. From what I hear, we'll have even more fun at the 97 Gathering! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:41:36 -0500 From: kr2builder@juno.com (Richard E Pitman) Subject: Re: KR: Ricky Pitman Hello All, I just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind words and encouragement. Well today mark's one week from the Attack and bypass. Believe it or not, I am feeling wonderful. Only one pain pill all day and no naps. I am aware that depression can set in following this type of surgery. However, I just happen to need the cash right now. I am also planning a move soon and selling the stuff will be easier than trying to move it, store it, etc. I am not giving up however. I will be back and a KR will be biult. Just not right now. The stuff for sale can be seen at http://pw2.netcom.com/~RNRicky/KR2.htm. Please note that the Spruce/plywood kit will not be shipped. As a matter of fact I may decide to keep it to have something to do. BUT, everything else must go. If I get enough stuff sold, I may still try to make the Gathering. If so, I will bring all unsold stuff to the fly market. Thanks again Ricky Pitman KR2 Builder Marion, Arkansas E-Mail to: KR2Builder@juno.com Web Page: http://pw2.netcom.com/~rnricky/Ricky/Default.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:56:50 -0500 From: kr2builder@juno.com (Richard E Pitman) Subject: Re: KR:STUFF 4 $ale As promised I have all of my stuff posted for sale. Everything listed is NEW unless otherwise noted. The posted price is at least 25% off of my purchase price. The posted price includes shipping withinn the contiguous USA. Items listed in a set will be sold only in a set. The "catalog" may be seen at http://pw2.netcom.com/~RNRicky/KR2.htm Ricky Pitman KR2 Builder Marion, Arkansas E-Mail to: KR2Builder@juno.com Web Page: http://pw2.netcom.com/~rnricky/Ricky/Default.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:22:29 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Website Updates - ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Website Updates > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:15 PM > > I have been updating the KR member page, I think I will change it > and call it the virtural KR-fly-in as you can hop over and check out > many users websites from this location. > > I just checked out Ernest Koppe's web site > > http://www.flash.net/~ekoppe/krpage/krpage.html > His site looks good. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:24:14 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Website Updates - ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Website Updates > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:15 PM > > > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yerbook.htm > Bounce..bounce..bounce...crash! At least thats what Teleport told me. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:36:16 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: lawyers (no archive) anyone building a plane from advice on the >Internet (which, in the popular press, is mostly composed of pedophiles, >stalkers and survivalist cultists) got what he deserved for not knowing what >he was doing. > >Mike Taglieri > Let's see. I do not file pedestrians, cannot stay up late enough to be a good night time stalker, and have been thrown out of too many cults to count. Where does that leave me as an Internet dude? Ron " I wanna belong to a fringe element " Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:33:54 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Website Updates At 08:24 PM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >> http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yerbook.htm >> > >Bounce..bounce..bounce...crash! >At least thats what Teleport told me. Try: http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yearbook.htm beem there, it works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:44:46 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR:STUFF 4 $ale At 18:56 97/9/04 -0500, you wrote: >As promised I have all of my stuff posted for sale. >Everything listed is NEW unless otherwise noted. >The posted price is at least 25% off of my purchase price. >The posted price includes shipping withinn the contiguous USA. >Items listed in a set will be sold only in a set. >The "catalog" may be seen at > >http://pw2.netcom.com/~RNRicky/KR2.htm > >Ricky Pitman Actually it is: http://pw2.netcom.com/~rnricky/Ricky/kr2.htm Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:27:15 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Ricky Pitman At 01:01 PM 9/3/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Ijust wanted to say THANKS to all who have written, both here on the net >and E-mailed directly. I am not giving up. This is only a setback. >However, the parts and stuff are still for sale. I can always start over >again later. As for the ones out there who say they feel like vultures, >Hey IT JUST AIN't SO. I need to sell some some stuff and you can get a >pretty good deal on it. I believe most of it may already be sold. When >I feel better in a few days I will post a list of what is left on here. >Mean while I can help some of you move ahead with your projects at a >reduced price. Besides I may be able to claim I have 10 or SO KRs in the >air. > >Thanks again > >Ricky Pitman >Marion, Arkansas > Well.... I don't believe that I need anything at this time but since you're not yet ready to run a marathon, why don't you post a description of your KR project. Maybe someone may wish to buy it just the way it is..lock, stock and barrel. I wouldn't worry about starting over on your KR. It seems to me that with everyday that goes by and the vast resources of the KRnet, a KR completed tomorrow will have a great advantage over the KR completed yesterday. It kind of like buying a GPS, by the time you used it the first time, there's already a better one out there somewhere. I had better get off my soapbox BUT as you know, every year the KRs at the KR Gatherings get better and better. Some people may not like the plans but I'm not sure that there is an airplane anywhere that improves so much year after year by the builders that build them. I'll shut up now. Take care. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:27:17 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Oil or sump'n At 02:17 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-03 10:46:47 EDT, you write: > ><< Does anyone know anything about something called "--- Miracle Oil". Not > sure the exact name, but someone told me that it helps relieve sticking > piston rings. Any takers? >> > >Could you be talking about "Marvel Mystery Oil"? At the 97 Gathering many of >the VW KRs seemed to be enjoying this particular libation. It is suppose to >help with the sticking valve problem caused by lead in the fuel (I think). > Would rings use the same medicine? > >Bobby Muse would know more on this subject...Tell 'em Bobby. > >Randy Stein Well..OK. At the last KR Gathering in Pine Buff, Ark.. I had flow there from Nashville,TN. We flew a lot on Friday and at one point Jim Faughn and I flew to about 9000 ft to meet up with the guys flying in from OK and Colorado. Jim and I met up with the other KRs about 20 miles away from the airport. We all did a mid speed low pass over the Pine Buff Airport. I'm not sure where the biggest thrill may have been, in the air or on the ground. Anyway, when I was ready to go home, I found out that N122B had three cyclinders with no compression at all and the fourth cyclinder didn't feel all that good. I feared that I had burnt valves. It was suggested that I put Marvel Msystery Oil(MMO) in my fuel, so I put twice the amount in the tank as suggested on the oil can label. I flew all the way to Nashville @5000ft with no problems all. I flew a little slower at first, but then gradually increased the speed. My cuise speed was 158MPH(average). Perfect weather makes flying a lot more fun, doesn't it? My Dad followed me all the way to make sure that I made it. At one point I was even asked to slow down. When I rebuilt the heads and actually found seven burnt valves. I had to replaced five valves. Yes, I believe the MMO helped me make it home! I know Jim Faughn and Troy Petteway use MMO with every refuel. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:44:17 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Tires At 04:52 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I saw post post recently for Lamb replacements. They are called Cheng Shin. > > >GREEN BALL COMAPANY in California (213) 636-2364 >Ask for Craig and tell him you want the same tires (and good deal - >much better than AS&sS) >At the time AS&S was selling them for about $28 plus $8 for the tube. > >Good luck. If you have problems, Email me or Mike Mims direct. Since we are >in Southern Cal, we may be able to iron out problems faster for ya. > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com > > Thanks! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:44:19 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: All stub fittings DONE! At 09:24 PM 9/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >What do >you use for control stops in the ailerons? I don't remember seeing anything >in the plans (there at the garage right now) and a simple solution doesn't >come to mind. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims > Micheal, I had the same concern, but I found that the control stick bracket provided to stop that I needed. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:33:16 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: All stub fittings DONE! At 09:44 PM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Micheal, I had the same concern, but I found that the control stick >bracket provided to stop that I needed. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > Sounds good, I will rig the aileron cables this weekend and let everyone know how it goes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Ricky Pitman In a message dated 97-09-05 00:48:51 EDT, Ricky wrote: << If I get enough stuff sold, I may still try to make the Gathering. If so, I will bring all unsold stuff to the fly market. Thanks again Ricky Pitman >> Ricky: There is a reason for everything. Me thinks your attendance at the gathering should be made mandatory. In fact, I'll call your doc in the morning and have a prescription ordered for just that! Be well and please try to show up. It will be good therapy for ya. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Tandem wing speeds Well KRNetters, here is the full list. Sorry for jumping the gun on the prior post. Problem is that AOL doesn't get the messages in order (most of the time). That'll teach me to be so cheap! The Q200s are using O-200 engines, most of the others have VWs and the Quickie is possibly a 30 hp Onan or Rotax or ? Still interesting to see the speeds. The heavier the bird (my guess) the slower the speeds, or so it seems with KRs: << Due to weather on Saturday am we had to run the event at 1:00pm. It was a very hot 89 degrees, the humidity was high and the air was somewhat rough. We ran a short 60 statute mile course from a standing start and a cruising finish. We have compiled the data gathered from each aircraft(equipment, weight, etc) and data gathered while running the event(temps, rpm, etc). This detail data will be published in Q-Talk and DBFN. > Here are the folks that participated and their speeds(mph). > > Bob Malechek Q200 188.00 > Tom Moore Q200 176.00 > Kimbull McAndrew Q200 174.00 > Larry Koutz Q200 172.00 > Bruce Crain Q200 169.00 > Les Hildebrand Q200 166.00 > Paul Fisher Q200 165.00 > Earnest Martin Tri-Q200 153.00 > Mark Snow Dragonfly 152.00 > Terry O'neil Dragonfly 130.00 > Jon Finley Q2 128.00 > Justin Mace Dragonfly 124.00 > Wayne Ulvestad Dragonfly 112.00 > Allen Perkins Dragonfly 108.00 > Terry Crouch Quickie 100.00 Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: lawyers (no archive) In a message dated 97-09-05 01:15:57 EDT, Ron wrote: << Ron " I wanna belong to a fringe element " Lee >> KRNet is a fringe element... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 02:03:30 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Website Updates Cary Honeywell wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Ross Youngblood > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Website Updates > > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:15 PM > > > > > > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yerbook.htm > > > > Bounce..bounce..bounce...crash! > At least thats what Teleport told me. > > - Cary -Whoops... try http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/krnet_yearbook.htm Or reach it by clicking on the "NEW" links on the N541RY webpage below. - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 02:12:06 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Tandem wing speeds BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > Well KRNetters, here is the full list. Sorry for jumping the gun on the > prior post. Problem is that AOL doesn't get the messages in order (most of > the time). That'll teach me to be so cheap! > Randy, Even I don't get my KRNET email in order. It turns out it has to do with the type being set as "Bulk". The Teleport majordomo guru explained all the details, but I'm too lazy to recall it verbatium. At any rate, if I don't get my email in order from Teleport, and thats where everything originates, even AOL will probably get them messed up. -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 06:22:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes In a message dated 97-09-03 06:43:52 EDT, you write: << Besides the picture of Mark does anyone else find that magazine completely useless or is it just me? I have to admit its better than it was a few years ago but as far as a technical reference or information on "how to" items its very lacking. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> There are some issues of Experimenter magazine I've found to be more interesting that Kitplanes. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:53:42 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Pun Perry Humor (Noah's Archive) I inflicted these on Randy Stein in a recent letter, and recently Mike Mims, thought I might inflict same on those who are going to Perry for the Fly-In. ;) Robert Covington === Two true stories: The first is that when Perry first incorporated, the town needed an official well. They drilled well after dry well after dry well until one day they stumbled onto a real wet one. Everyone around let out a big whoop of relief, and then a deafening "YEAY!". So that is how the fine water known as "Perry YEAY!" came to be. The town of Perry is also less known for the fact that all the town's brick layers happen to also be lawyers. For that reason plus the town's eloquent name, these individuals are known as "Perry Mason's". It is rumored that they tried to start up a chapter of "Perry FreeMason's", but that failed of course because everybody knows that a lawyer does nothing for free. All true. I Swear. ;) X RC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:14:41 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes At 06:22 AM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote: > There are some issues of Experimenter magazine I've found to be more >interesting that Kitplanes. > >Jim Hayward > I have only browsed a couple of issues of the Experimenter and I agree its a great publication. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:25:35 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-03 06:43:52 EDT, you write: > > << Besides the picture of Mark does anyone else find that magazine completely > useless or is it just me? I have to admit its better than it was a few > years ago but as far as a technical reference or information on "how to" > items its very lacking. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims >> > > There are some issues of Experimenter magazine I've found to be more > interesting that Kitplanes. > > Jim Hayward Ouch... I have found Experimenter magazine to be rather weak in content, I'm now getting the Tech counselor news, it's better, but thin. So this looks like a terrific slam of Kitplanes magazine and Experimenter at the same time... By the same token, if we would write articles for Kitplanes and or Experimenter, we would all become famous and the content of the magazines and the circulation numbers would improve dramaticly. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:27:58 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Pun Perry Humor (Noah's Archive) Robert Covington wrote: > > I inflicted these on Randy Stein in a recent letter, and recently Mike > Mims, thought I might inflict same on those who are going to Perry for the > Fly-In. > ;) > > Robert Covington > > === > > Two true stories: > > The first is that when Perry first incorporated, the town needed an > official well. They drilled well after dry well after dry well until one > day they stumbled onto a real wet one. Everyone around let out a big whoop > of relief, and then a deafening "YEAY!". So that is how the fine water > known as "Perry YEAY!" came to be. > > The town of Perry is also less known for the fact that all the town's brick > layers happen to also be lawyers. For that reason plus the town's eloquent > name, these individuals are known as "Perry Mason's". > > It is rumored that they tried to start up a chapter of "Perry FreeMason's", > but that failed of course because everybody knows that a lawyer does > nothing for free. > > All true. I Swear. ;) X > > RC Perry Como is just asking somone how they are doing in Spanish. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:29:14 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 06:22 AM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote: > > There are some issues of Experimenter magazine I've found to be more > >interesting that Kitplanes. > > > >Jim Hayward > > > > I have only browsed a couple of issues of the Experimenter and I agree its a > great publication. > Well, I was disappointed expecting many more "How To" tips than I saw... perhaps I was looking for composite stuff and was being too picky. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:03:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: 97 KR Gathering Netheads: We are getting close to the wire. Anyone planning on attending the BBQ? If you have not advised me by private Email, please do so soon. I need to get the final count to Don so he can make grubb plans. He wants to make this a FREE meal. I've been pushing for a $3-5 voluntary donation arrangement. My concept looks better each day to Don...especially since the bucks are about gone and we are still over a week away. Don has gotten very good at groveling (I'm a good teacher). We are trying to produce a classy event, and it looks to be shaping up to be just that. Don has really outdone himself and I hope each of you will take the time to tell him that during the gathering. It will mean a lot to him. Event badges...if you have not private Emailed me, do so soon. Rob Covington just completed a nifty logo that will be on each badge along with your name, city & state. He deserves a mention of appreciation too. Maybe we can talk him into doing custom airbrush KR T shirts on a special order basis. I have dibs on the one that will say "Head Idiot"...sorry guys, it is only fair. After all, this is my posting and I brought it up. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:24:33 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes At 09:25 AM 9/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >By the same token, if we would write articles for Kitplanes and or >Experimenter, we would all become famous and the content of the >magazines and the circulation numbers would improve dramaticly. > > > -- Ross There was a discussion a few days ago concerning lawyers and now the weak content in some of our favorite publications. Here in lies the problem, who in their right mind would write a "how to" article and risk the chances of finding themselves in court defending their ideas (not the fault of the lawyers mind you). Kitplanes and Sport Aviation are obviously limited as to what they can and can not publish for fear of being sued. The same fear weighed heavily on my mind when we WERE writing stuff for the KROnline! I wrote a 10 page article on how I built my canopy complete with pictures. I feel almost anyone could reproduce my canopy using this article but I decided not to publish it. Sorry! Maybe after I have a few hundred hours on my KR and it (the canopy) has proven itself I would feel better about sharing a "how to" article and even then it will be a bit scary. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #89 ****************************