From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:47 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n102' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #102 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 102 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:49:00 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! At 04:16 AM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hear ye! Hear ye! > >Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of >Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. > >I will continue to maintain it and fly it in the manner Wild Bill would expect. >Look for good ol' N7138 at next year's KR Gathering at Perry! > >Hot damn... I feel good! Thanks, Bill. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > > Ed, Congrats! You've got yourself a good KR-1. Since I also have a KR-1, Bill and I have written each other many times over the years, He's given me a few pictures of his plane and also a video tape showing his plane in action. I very seriously considered buying it because the price was so right, but the timing for me is wrong. Don't know what kind of flying experience you have had, but would be willling to share some with you of how I learned to fly the -1. Too bad we didn't get a chance to meet and talk a bit at the Gathering, but just e-mail me privately and we'll catch up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:10:52 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident Jim Faughn wrote: > > I posted this once and never got it forgive me if it comes through > twice. > > Marti is truely my hero for ride giving. I'm only sorry that I really > couldn't participate in that part of the event this year. Again, my > appologies to everyone I couldn't give rides to. As those who were there > know, I had to work on my plane most of Saturday and wasn't able to get > it running right until late Saturday afternoon and didn't get to give > but 3 rides. I tried to page Ron Lee but he had evidently left. Ron is > the one I really wanted to provide the seat time to since he is ready to > fly. My plane had a problem with a screw that was stripping out in the > distributor. On the way to Perry it ran slightly rough and that wasn't > normal (It normally is smoother than my car) so I began to investigate > the cause. I thought originally it was the points and replaced them all > (4 sets) but that proved to not be the case. Rather, as I said, a screw > that locked one set of points in place was going bad and on the flight > when I tested it Sat Morning after takeoff I had to go to 1/2 throttle > and make it run. It kept ringing in my ear what Dan Diehl said before I > originally test flew my plane. "If it doesn't run right in the air, > change something!" I flew it at half throttle for a while playing with > the mixture and different settings while in the air and then landed to > figure out what was wrong. I had to take apart the distributor and drill > and tap all the screws for the points. Thanks to the kind people who > helped me get the right parts. Coast to Coast became my airplane supply > store with rides from both Perry people and KR friends back and forth to > the hardware store. It shouldn't have taken so long but they sold me the > wrong tap for the cap screws I purchased. In the end the plane ran great > and I believe it is running better than it has in a year so the problem > was coming on slowly where I hadn't noticed it prior to the flight down. > I will now make a new plate from steel so this won't happen again. I got > back fine and instead of the 40 and 50 mph head wind on the way down I > only had a 15 mph head wind on the way back. I too appreciate meeting > everyone and putting faces to the names and hope to see you next year. > > By the way, Tommy Waymack talked of a "Spring Fling" with KR's. Who > knows, maybe we could do this more than once a year OR there might be > smaller ones in different areas, kind of like KR Chapters. > > As far as the "incident" is concerned, after seeing him miss his first > two approaches to land I grabbed my handheld and called him to see if he > was ok. I was hoping to calm him down. When he landed I saw his nose > come up and called him on the radio to push his stick forward to kill > the lift and get his nose wheel down. Everything looked pretty good > after he got the nose down and I thought it was over until the plane > vered right and went off the right side of the runway. It went into a > small ditch where he broke his nose wheel gear and the prop. I called on > the radio and told him to make sure he shut off the fuel and the > electric hoping he wouldn't hear me since he might have already done it. > He told me when we arrived at the plane that the right brake hung up and > he couldn't correct it with the left brake. When Don went back to get > his tractor to pull the plane to a hanger, we walked down the runway > with Bobby Muse to see where the brake started hanging up and what > happened. What we found was he landed with both brakes on, the mains > made big black marks and were skidding. Next the nose wheel made a black > mark and went back into the air. Both mains came back down, more black > marks and more skiding with the nose wheel coming back down again. You > could see the skid marks for both mains all the way of his track to the > ditch, which was about 700 feet. My theory is that instead of the right > brake hanging up the left began to fade or was not as effective and that > caused the right turn, or, a gust of wind (it was a right crosswind) > weather vained him into the wind and that caused the right turn. The > plane was repaired as others have said thanks to the people on the > field. I think the major lesson learned was not to fly the plane cross > country in STRONG winds with only 10 hours of KR stick time. Thankfully > everyone was ok. > -- > Jim Faughn N8931JF > St. Louis, MO > (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 Sounds like maybe he needs those "aluminum bar thingies" on his rudder pedals to keep his feet off the brakes while trying to use the rudder. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:29:06 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh At 21:51 97/9/22 -0500, you wrote: >Ed Newbold wrote: > >>I thought perhaps we should take a >> KRNet poll first before ABSOLUTLEY deciding to do it at Perry again next >year. >> Perhaps Ohio, Kentucky or Tennessee, or even South Carolina? I'd be >willing to >> help organize the next one if need be. Let's talk. > I recall this topic coming up before the '97 Gathering. I saw no replies other than someone recommending my airport :) As I mentioned in my first post on Perry...it was well run and organized and it is a central US location. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:05:04 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: KRs, 2d Sep 97 Issue of TAP 1. kr-2, 90 hrs, show plane, full instrument panel, $20,000, 520-368-4766 or 520-367-3185 2. KR-2, 2180 Revmaster Turbo, finsihed except canopy, also 235 engine for sale, 504-447-7225 3.kr-2, 85% complete, great plains engine, $6500, 770-994-6313 evenings 4. Subaru engine, 81 hp, reduction drive, 4 blade prop, $3800, 813-986-9654 Some ads condensed to save typing. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:37:50 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: KR: Instrument Panel Does anyone have a template or the dimensional profile for the instrument panel for the KR-2S? I cannot find any reference in the "manual" other than "install the instrument panel now". I called Jeanette and was simply told to "make it fit". Not much help! I haven't fitted the canopy frame yet. Any suggextions on how the size (height and curvature) of the panel is determined? Bob Lasecki Frustrated in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:25:48 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Instrument Panel At 08:37 AM 9/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone have a template or the dimensional profile for the >instrument panel for the KR-2S? I cannot find any reference in the >"manual" other than "install the instrument panel now". I called >Jeanette and was simply told to "make it fit". Not much help! I >haven't fitted the canopy frame yet. Any suggextions on how the size >(height and curvature) of the panel is determined? > >Bob Lasecki >Frustrated in Chicago > There isn't a published profile! isn't that neat! I suggest getting with Mark Lougheed from NEAR and have him draw you up the various stations and instrument panel. I wish I would have! Those of you who haven't started building yet should consider contacting Mark. I was telling Mark how nice my fuselage sides came out because I used full size drawings to build on top of. If you start with two identical sides it sure goes much easier! Mark can draw all the full size templates you need such as wing ribs, fuselage side and top views (very hand when building the boat) airfoils for the horizontal and vertical stabs, instrument panels and other stations. Give him a call, he does great work on that CAD machine of his! If your interested he can draw your side view so that when assembled you don't have the banana boat thing! As discussed before it doesn't matter but its nice to have a square (flat top) fuselage to work with rather than a bent one! Heck even Dan Diehl recommends using NEAR templates! His web site is at: http://206.129.98.5:80/~nearsite/ I know spending more money on plans doesn't sound that appealing but trust me it sure helps! Ask anyone who has built the KR how nice it would have been to have full size side and top drawings! If you screw up just one area while constructing the sides they would pay for themselves! I know of at least one or two builders who started out to build a KR2 and a KR2S and left out one of the 14 inch bays! Wouldn't that suck! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:41:09 -0400 From: Scott Aldrich <71714.1611@compuserve.com> Subject: KR: Engines Hi, quick question. Anybody know much about the Hirth F30 engine? 110 HP only weighs 108 pounds? Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:11:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 09:18 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >Horn2004@aol.com wrote: >> . . . but when you have an aircraft on a takeoff roll >> and 3 more in the pattern and then another which decides to do a 200 mph pass down the runway while the guy is still departing, you're gonna get somebody hurt. Go ahead and have fun, but don't put other folks and their aircraft in harms way with your student pilot show boating. And if you take offense at this flame, perhaps you ought to review the regs. > Your not gona get a $1500 flame job from me but I must pass on that while all this "Student pilot show boating" was going on I was up flying the RV with Troy, those guys may look like a bunch of cowboys but they are talking to each other all the time. When I saw the buzz job on the Piper AeroStar I thought "well this could be interesting" Come to find out it was one of the pilots friends and he was talking to him on the radio before during and after the buzz job. Yes it seemed a little crazy out there and now you know why we don't hold these things at LAX! :o) You refer to the heinous acts as "student pilot show boating" usually that's when we get our selves in trouble (when students do these things) :o) To some of us that's how we have a little fun! Buzzing the house at 220 mph to let the wife know your coming home for lunch, landing on the street in front of the house because you forgot your coffee, water skiing on tundra tires, the list goes on and on. As far as making an impression on future KR pilots?? That was my only concern, but are grown men really that impressionable? I think the low flybys between the hanger and ramp may have been a little questionable but I cant say for sure I wouldn't do something as nuts! PS when mentioning things here on the KRnet that involves crashes, dashes, and or questionable activity,..lets not mention names and tail numbers! OK???? Mike "not a cowboy just honest injun" Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:13:42 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engines At 10:41 AM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, quick question. Anybody know much about the Hirth F30 engine? 110 HP >only weighs 108 pounds? > >Thanks, Scott > Noisy, fuel consuming 2 stroke. Leave them in the snowmobiles and boats where they belong! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engines In a message dated 97-09-23 10:49:23 EDT, Scott wrote: << Hi, quick question. Anybody know much about the Hirth F30 engine? 110 HP only weighs 108 pounds? >> I too liked the idea of the hp and low weight Hirth. Down side is reliability. Study up on two strokes. The only oil the crank sees is in the fuel mix. Two cycles tend to lean out without prior warning, ie on descent and as the air temp/pressure change. This often times leads to a seizure. No fan turning, you will sweat a lot. If you know your engine well, and fly the engine in such a way as to keep it happy (live by the EGT and keep one hand on the mixture control), then it would work. I'm not sure many people have flown KRs with 2 strokes over the years. This is not a flame, only my observations. Two strokes are neat and work well in aircraft that can land anyplace (slow landing speed), such as ultralites. I'm not so sure you want to try the same thing in a KR. The cost of the Hirth is close to that of the Jabiru. I would go for the Jabiru if money isn't the object. Many of us are penny pinchers, so VWs tend to attract us. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh In a message dated 97-09-22 23:07:33 EDT, Mark wrote: << ally, the next year's location is voted on at the banquet. I'll bet next year we could have our way though. Having Gatherings in pairs is pretty common too, so they'll be ready for change in 98. Let's just remember to decide where BEFORE the vote. >> What a concept. We'll do the 'ol Chicago voting method of voting early and often... I think, given the number of KRNetters, we can decide ahead of time, do the ground work, ie facilities, etc., and vote on the location that is preferred by the majority. This could neat. You can Email private if you have airports to suggest. No sense clogging KRNet with trivial posting until we get closer to Perrykosh 98. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! In a message dated 97-09-23 07:18:43 EDT, Ed wrote: << Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. >> Congrats...Pretty neat news... Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:42:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Instrument Panel In a message dated 97-09-23 10:37:59 EDT, Mike wrote: << His web (NEAR) site is at: http://206.129.98.5:80/~nearsite/ I know spending more money on plans doesn't sound that appealing but trust me it sure helps! Ask anyone who has built the KR how nice it would have been to have full size side and top drawings! >> I second that. Accurate full size templates are the way to go. And yes, Dan Diehl agrees it is the way to to. Dan & I spoke briefly about Mark's templates and Dan seems to like 'em very much. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA PS - Langford and Mims used full size templates. Look how fast their projects are moving along. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:28:03 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > Hear ye! Hear ye! > > Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of > Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. > > I will continue to maintain it and fly it in the manner Wild Bill would expect. > Look for good ol' N7138 at next year's KR Gathering at Perry! > > Hot damn... I feel good! Thanks, Bill. > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH Congratulations Ed! Remember, a great web site goes with N7138. Will you maintain it? :o) Bruce "Stay at home" Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:50:19 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Engines Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 10:41 AM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, quick question. Anybody know much about the Hirth F30 engine? 110 HP > >only weighs 108 pounds? > > > >Thanks, Scott > > > > Noisy, fuel consuming 2 stroke. Leave them in the snowmobiles and boats > where they belong! :o) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > \ _\/\/_ > / __/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > Having structural failure! Scott, Here's one to look at. I don't remember if Mike first put this one up or if I walked into the wall and this vision resulted. Gets better every time I look at it. http://193.26.97.194/ Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:12 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Engines bmsi@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > Here's one to look at. I don't remember if Mike first put this one up > or if I walked into the wall and this vision resulted. Gets better > every time I look at it. > > http://193.26.97.194/ The Zoche aero diesel, aviation's version of vaporware. To quote a contributor to the rec.aviation newsgroups, "Zoche's engines are the technology of the future, and always will be." I understand at OSH '97, Michael changed his eternal, "it will be on the market next year" to "it will be on the market in two years." These guys make Microsquish look good. - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:02:49 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! >Congratulations Ed! Remember, a great web site goes with N7138. >Will you maintain it? :o) >Bruce "Stay at home" Campbell Hahaha. Sure, Bruce. Actually, I'll just provide a big link from mine to Bill's! See ya later. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:21:34 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Instrument Panel Robert Lasecki wrote: > > Does anyone have a template or the dimensional profile for the > instrument panel for the KR-2S? I cannot find any reference in the > "manual" other than "install the instrument panel now". I called > Jeanette and was simply told to "make it fit". Not much help! I > haven't fitted the canopy frame yet. Any suggextions on how the size > (height and curvature) of the panel is determined? > > Bob Lasecki > Frustrated in Chicago Don't know if it's the best way but here's how I did it graphically with a dragonfly canopy (computer template drawn to your specs would be the hot setup): The canopy determines the contour. Determine the exact canopy location. Put it in place temporarily. Determine the panel location fore/aft. Place a stright piece of spruce across the fuse at panel location. Mark off inch increments from fuse centerline to outside edge on this spruce. This is the x axis on your graph. Now, when viewed from the front of the plane, the canopy edge appears as a curved line. Viewing from the front, measure the vertical distance (y axis) from the x axis to the canopy line in 1 inch (or less near edge) increments from center to fuse outside edge and graph this on stiff cardboard. Voila, you have your shape. There may be a better way but this worked for me. Bob Smith, KR2S Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: KR: Gathering comments In a message dated 9/23/97 9:23:50 AM, you wrote: <>> Getting back to the original thread, I'm not concerned with making impressions on grown men or future KR pilots. My concern is with safety, violating regs., etc. They may have been talking to each other during their entire flight. Great! I would hope so. But I doubt very many of them have a low level aerobatic endorsement. What I saw would have required that. Just make sure your "fun" does not jeopardize those around you. This is where I personally draw the line. Had we left a smoking hold in a soybean field in Perry, OK, I doubt we would even be welcome back there in 98. <> Of course not. I harbor great contempt toward most agencies associated with our Federal Government. Matter of fact, I think I spent my weekend working around the house. Yeah, that's it. ;-) Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:04:47 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 03:29 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote: My concern is with safety, violating regs., etc. They may have been talking to each other during their entire flight. Great! I would hope so. But I doubt very many of them have a low level aerobatic endorsement. What I saw would have required that. Just make sure your "fun" does not jeopardize those around you. This is where I personally draw the line. Had we left a smoking hold in a soybean field in Perry, OK, I doubt we would even be welcome back there in 98. > > Yes safety is of utmost importance and some things that happened at Perry could be called very unsafe! Trust me,..I agree with you and I am not arguing! Flight between to obstacles (one being a hanger full of people) in gusty crosswind conditions could have led to disaster for sure! I am glad it didn't! 8,000 rpm (slight exaggeration) runups with an unproven experimental turbine / propeller combination in the middle of a crowd was another interesting feature at the gathering. It could have been perfectly safe but when he fired that thing up all I could vision was it getting away (seem like it almost did once) or it throwing a prop blade to Dallas Texas via someones brain housing group!!! It scared me so when it started,.. I departed! As far as regs go,.. I bet no one drove their car faster than 65 mph on the way to Perry either! :o) Mike "afraid of turbine powered KRs" Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:44:57 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: KR Perrykosh We already have an offer to hold the KR gatering in KS up by KC over labor day long weekend. It would be a combined KR, Dragonfly, Q1-Q2 gathering. Spud Sporinitz has invited us to switch any time we want. Very much like the KR event. Forums, fly-bys, talk and a banquet. plenty of lodging near by. Had 23 homebuilts at this years event. Other suggestion I think would be very interresting is to have an official aircraft weigh in at the fly-in. Dido's on the cross traffic flying / bys, me also thinks this is dangerous. We can have fun, show off the aircraft and fly safely. Suggest a pilot breifing each morning before begining. Steve Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:24:24 +0000 From: darrin Subject: KR: Thomasville, Ga. fly-in Hello again fellow kr people from south georgia! I would like to inform everyone of an airshow planned for Oct.10,11,and 12 in Thomasville, Ga. I was not able to make it to Perry this year but sure would like another chance for a ride in a kr!! I will be getting married that saturday afternoon and would love a short ride as a wedding gift!! hint, hint I am working on a kr-1 and would like to at least chat with another builder face to face. Yall come now! Darrin, want a ride, West ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:05:21 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: KR Perrykosh At 15:44 9/23/97 +0000, Steve wrote: >... Dido's on the cross traffic >flying / bys, me also thinks this is dangerous. We can have fun, show >off the aircraft and fly safely. Suggest a pilot briefing each >morning before begining. Steve Bennett > > I started writing a little note about how two or three witnesses who call a flight dangerous can start the wheels turning. But I couldn't bring myself to send it. Such a downer. Think your note makes more sense. Brian brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:52:54 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 08:11 AM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:18 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Horn2004@aol.com wrote: >>> . . . but when you have an aircraft on a takeoff roll >>> and 3 more in the pattern and then another which decides to do a 200 mph >pass down the runway while the guy is still departing, you're gonna get >somebody hurt. Go ahead and have fun, but don't put other folks and their >aircraft in harms way with your student pilot show boating. And if you take >offense at this flame, perhaps you ought to review the regs. >> > >Your not gona get a $1500 flame job from me but I must pass on that while >all this "Student pilot show boating" was going on I was up flying the RV >with Troy, those guys may look like a bunch of cowboys but they are talking >to each other all the time. When I saw the buzz job on the Piper AeroStar I >thought "well this could be interesting" Come to find out it was one of the >pilots friends and he was talking to him on the radio before during and >after the buzz job. Yes it seemed a little crazy out there and now you know >why we don't hold these things at LAX! :o) > >You refer to the heinous acts as "student pilot show boating" usually >that's when we get our selves in trouble (when students do these things) :o) > >To some of us that's how we have a little fun! Buzzing the house at 220 mph >to let the wife know your coming home for lunch, landing on the street in >front of the house because you forgot your coffee, water skiing on tundra >tires, the list goes on and on. As far as making an impression on future KR >pilots?? That was my only concern, but are grown men really that >impressionable? > >I think the low flybys between the hanger and ramp may have been a little >questionable but I cant say for sure I wouldn't do something as nuts! > >PS when mentioning things here on the KRnet that involves crashes, dashes, >and or questionable activity,..lets not mention names and tail numbers! OK???? > >Mike "not a cowboy just honest injun" Mims Thanks, Mike! I was afraid that I was not going to fly while at next years gathering. Instead maybe we should take turns at flying because I thought that's what everyone came to see. I'm sorry if the the rules were broken(by mistake I'm sure). At next years' gathering we will have advise all KR pilots to not do that again.......BUT boy, did we have a gooood time!!!! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:52:51 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Instrument Panel At 07:25 AM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:37 AM 9/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Does anyone have a template or the dimensional profile for the >>instrument panel for the KR-2S? I cannot find any reference in the >>"manual" other than "install the instrument panel now". I called >>Jeanette and was simply told to "make it fit". Not much help! I >>haven't fitted the canopy frame yet. Any suggextions on how the size >>(height and curvature) of the panel is determined? >> >>Bob Lasecki >>Frustrated in Chicago >> > >There isn't a published profile! isn't that neat! I suggest getting with >Mark Lougheed from NEAR and have him draw you up the various stations and >instrument panel. I wish I would have! Heck even Dan Diehl recommends using >NEAR templates! His web site is at: > >http://206.129.98.5:80/~nearsite/ > >I know spending more money on plans doesn't sound that appealing but trust >me it sure helps! Ask anyone who has built the KR how nice it would have >been to have full size side and top drawings! If you screw up just one area >while constructing the sides they would pay for themselves! I know of at >least one or two builders who started out to build a KR2 and a KR2S and left >out one of the 14 inch bays! Wouldn't that suck! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > Why don't you just draw out the shape YOU want. But if you must know, a general rule is that the instrument panel is normally shaped in a KR to be non-inversely portioned to top most 1/2 of the vertical plane of the rear deck taken at a station position as selected by the current builder or designer. This means alsolutely nothing, so do it your way. Just make sure that you are able to sit in your plane and look over the instrumant panel and see just a little of the nose of the KR and at the same time be able to get in and out of the sit without too much trouble. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:43:36 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments Hi Bobby. >I was afraid that I was not going to fly while at next years gathering. >Instead maybe we should take turns at flying because I thought that's what >everyone came to see. I'm sorry if the the rules were broken(by mistake I'm >sure). At next years' gathering we will have advise all KR pilots to not do >that again.......BUT boy, did we have a gooood time!!!! >Bobby Muse(N122B) I don't think there was any really "dangerous" flying going on, and I've been to many, many fly-ins at other locations with other groups where the flying, while a bit lower than the average pattern altitude, wouldn't be considered dangerous. I thoroughly enjoyed watching all of the flights. Keep up the good work. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:53:46 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments - demo flights Hi Steve. I'm not into flames or arguments or any of that stuff, but thought I'd toss in my humble comments about the safety thing. >Getting back to the original thread, I'm not concerned with making >impressions on grown men or future KR pilots. My concern is with safety, >violating regs., etc. They may have been talking to each other during their >entire flight. Great! I would hope so. But I doubt very many of them have a >low level aerobatic endorsement. What I saw would have required that. I could be wrong ( I usually am), but I don't think the high speed runs up and down the runway and the tight 180 degree u-turns qualify as aerobatics; at least I HOPE there's more to aerobatics than that, 'cause I want to learn them. I didn't see one loop, roll, hammerhead stall, or anything that I would call aerobatics. Did I miss something while I was in the hangar? >Just make sure your "fun" does not jeopardize those around you. This is >where I personally draw the line. Had we left a smoking hold in a soybean >field in Perry, OK, I doubt we would even be welcome back there in 98. Well, you're right about that. Smoking holes ain't welcome anywhere! Fortunately, we didn't have anything even close, except for that one landing incident on friday, which wasn't involved in a fly-by, demo, or anything like that. >Of course not. I harbor great contempt toward most agencies associated with >our Federal Government. Matter of fact, I think I spent my weekend working >around the house. Yeah, that's it. ;-) Good man! I don't have very much respect for them either. Well, there my two pennies worth. See ya around the patch. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Perrykosh Flash KRNetters: This just hot off the wire from Dick Starks and the Dawn Patrol: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well... It was just swell!!! Thanks for inviting us. I've got the article written and am waiting for the photos to get back from the lab so I can finish it up. I need a favor, if you can do it. Could you send me a list of: How many were actually there? Their names and N numbers? I really hate to screw up a pilot's name under the caption about his plane. We really had a great time and if the invites open, we'll bring some more Nieuports down there next year. Our only question is, do you think there will be hangar space for the Nieuports if a whole poop-load of KRs show up? Thanks for the great reception. Dick Starks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well folks, we made the big time...anyone have any objects to my giving Dick the N numbers? I'll ask him to be prudent in his article, although I doubt that will be needed. I'll hold on a reply to Dick until Thursday evening so everyone has a window to comment. KRNet or private to me is OK. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:15 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments - tooth fairey >8,000 rpm (slight exaggeration) runups with an unproven experimental turbine >/propeller combination in the middle of a crowd was another interesting >feature at the gathering. It could have been perfectly safe but when he >fired that thing up all I could vision was it getting away (seem like it >almost did once) or it throwing a prop blade to Dallas, Texas via someones >brain housing group! It scared me so when it started, I departed! Hehehe! I was hiding behind you, Mike. Of course, fat lot of good *that* would have been had a blade take off! Coulda nailed both of us! >As far as regs go,.. I bet no one drove their car faster than 65 mph on the >way to Perry either! :o) I'm sure you're absolutely right on this one (and there is DEFINITELY a tooth fairey too). Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:07:24 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments - safety The only thing that I might suggest is that, if possible, a safety observer with handheld radio be stationed near the flightline, perhaps mid field, to just provide another set of eyes for REAL dangers. There was a non-event where one plane turned right onto the runway mid-field as another was on final. Nothing happened but a safety observer might have helped point out the situation a bit earlier. The KRs can be a bit hard to see head-on! Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KRNetkosh KRNetters: We are happy to report that I'm sending a check to Ross covering the donations collected at Perrykosh. Thank you all for tolerating my in person rendition of a whine. I am pleased to report that $470 was collected and will be forwarded to the KRNet Admin. This will help support KRNet. If any of you escaped my whine and didn't have an opportunity to donate, you can send your check directly to Ross. Email me private and I'll give it to you. I feel uncomfortable having Ross use his KR Project doe for KRNet. I suggest $10 per year, collected at each gathering or in September. Thanks to all who participated. It is a cheap resource with a quick response to any posting. We all need to support this wonderful resource. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:19:39 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > Hear ye! Hear ye! > > Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of > Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. > > I will continue to maintain it and fly it in the manner Wild Bill would expect. > Look for good ol' N7138 at next year's KR Gathering at Perry! > > Hot damn... I feel good! Thanks, Bill. > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH Congrats Ed. Sounds like you just avoided a little bit of sanding. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:33:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Perrykosh In a message dated 97-09-23 18:08:25 EDT, you write: << >... Dido's on the cross traffic >flying / bys, me also thinks this is dangerous. We can have fun, show >off the aircraft and fly safely. Suggest a pilot briefing each >morning before begining. Steve Bennett > > I started writing a little note about how two or three witnesses who call a flight dangerous can start the wheels turning. But I couldn't bring myself to send it. Such a downer. >> KRNetters: I did schedule pilot briefings, three if I recall. I think Don was overwhelmed with the whole event production and did not hold 'em (to my knowledge). I will try to bring more order to the next event. It is hard to "suggest" this and that when it isn't your event. As my shirt said, I was only the "Head Idiot" for the event. Heck, I had Don upset with me within 10 minutes of arriving Friday morning...I smoothed that over and tried not to make waves the rest of the event. (Of course with my charm, it wouldn't be hard to PO a guy - heck, ask Rob Covington how charming I can be!) Me thinks Don needs to learn how to delegate a bit more. Maybe next year we can organize some work details to spread the work load and reduce the pressure on Don. If his family divorces him, the event will die. I'm sure things will be more organized next year. We learn the most from our failures. I too was breathing easier at the end of flying Saturday. I just thought I was getting old...I probably am. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #102 *****************************