From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 8:08 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n108' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #108 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 108 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:47:00 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Rich MCCall wrote: > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter >would turn up something. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > I have all of the drawings, handed down to me from Herb Bull and Bill DeFreezs. Herb flew with the gear for several years and I flew with it for two years. It was great. Contact me directly if you still want to discuss the gear. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:42:22 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Urethane foam Can someone out there help me with info about foam? 1. How is foam rated - lbs. per cubic foot? density? ??? 2. What does RR recommend (sell)? 3. Any suggestions about your own favorite or recommendations? I appreciaate any and all suggestions. The fellowship at Perry was great. Met some of the best "plane drivers" I've ever known. Thanks to everyone who caused me to come home blabbering like an excited teenager. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:07:23 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Here goes John F. Esch wrote: > > Troy Johnson wrote: > > > Okay Gang, > > > > > Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you > > feel > > are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any > > specialty > > tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a > > dead > > horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a > > dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. > > I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely > > necessary, > > low budget building you know! > > > > > Troy > > I have the same questions about power tools. I am in the looking around > mode of looking for power tools and not really sure which ones to buy. > I bought a set of KR-2S plans, I think, about four months ago and > waiting and wanting to get the garage cleaned out too. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR-------------------------- I would agree mostly with everyone else. However, you can build the whole project with hand tools alone, but power tools make it a lot easier and faster and in many instances more accurate. I would say the most important power tools would be a table say and a band saw and some kind of belt sander. I can do just about anything with my band saw. It cuts steel, plastic, wood, aluminum and anything else. But again you do not need these tools to build a KR, but the project will be a whole lot more enjoyable. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:09:53 -0700 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: Tailwheel on the wrong end-no archive Having someone come to see your project can get you motivated. I've put in more building time in the week since Oscar came to visit than I did in the prior 2 months. Thanks for the kick-start Oscar. >questions- too many to remember. But especially to Paul Martin for >letting me sit in his KR-2 at his garage (sorry to see you ruin a good >KR by mounting the tailwheel on the wrong end, Paul), What?... the wheel goes on the back end? ;-) Paul M. Ashland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:53:11 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Copperstate Fly-in OK, I answered Troy, but is anyone else going to make it to Copperstate weekend after next? I changed my mind and decided to go. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:29:53 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in At 09:53 PM 9/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >OK, I answered Troy, but is anyone else going to make it to Copperstate >weekend after next? I changed my mind and decided to go. > >------- I don't know, I will keep you posted! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:35:56 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Here goes John and Troy, Guys buy yourself a Japanese pull saw ar a good miter saw, a hand drill with bits, a hammer and get to work! Believe me when you need an additional tool you will know it, but for now quit cheating yourself of the joy of homebuiling. And the aroma of curing epoxy, believe me the friend who will drop by will notice (what is that smell?). And you can say "Oh that, I'm building an airplane in my garage that will cruise at 200MPH" And your going to get in it? The looks are not to be believed. Dave Moore At 04:26 PM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote: >Troy Johnson wrote: > >> Okay Gang, >> >> Got on the krnet a couple weeks ago and have been quietly observing >> before >> hollering out and sticking my foot in my mouth. >> >> Already I have learned a lot of excellent tips and ideas and look >> forward >> to someday actually being able to put them to use. I purchased a set >> of 2S >> plans last year at the Copperstate fly-in from Jeanette, but still >> working >> on getting a suitable place to start building. >> >> It may get put on hold for a little longer as I may be relocating >> from >> sunny Mesa, AZ to sunny Irvine, CA. However I at least wanted to dip >> my >> big toe in and work my way up to the whole foot. Like Oscar, I have >> been >> eagerly sucking down down all the info I can off of the web. I am >> particularly interested in what modifications Mark Langford has been >> working with as well as his trials and tribulations. I am very >> interested >> in seeing how the airfoil he is using will perform. >> >> Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you >> feel >> are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any >> specialty >> tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a >> dead >> horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a >> dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. >> I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely >> necessary, >> low budget building you know! >> >> Anyhow if you guys don't want to load up the net, please respond >> directly, >> I don't mind getting a leot of repetetive answers as that will tell me >> what >> is really needed. >> >> Last but not least, is anyone out there going to the Copperstate >> fly-in >> October 9-12. Last year there were 3 KR's there and of course I am >> hungry >> for more input. >> >> Thanks for letting me tie up bandwith, I promise none will be this >> long >> again, unless I have something worthwhile to contribute! >> >> ******************************************************** >> ********************* >> Troy A. Johnson >> Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support >> System Enhancement Center >> VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 >> >> We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, >> there! >> ****** >> ********************************************************************* >> *** > >Troy > >I have the same questions about power tools. I am in the looking around >mode of looking for power tools and not really sure which ones to buy. >I bought a set of KR-2S plans, I think, about four months ago and >waiting and wanting to get the garage cleaned out too. > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR > > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:44:23 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page Can I stick my nose in here? What the heck is a defreeze gear? If it's none of my business I'll back off, but I am curious. Dave Moore At 07:47 PM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Rich MCCall wrote: >> >>> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? >> >>Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was >>published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you >>borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those >>plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter >>would turn up something. >> >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >>email at langford@hiwaay.net >>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> > > >I have all of the drawings, handed down to me from Herb Bull and Bill >DeFreezs. Herb flew with the gear for several years and I flew with it for >two years. It was great. > >Contact me directly if you still want to discuss the gear. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:24:24 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Dfly Feedback from John Mason At 08:46 AM 9/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >I edited this note from John off the Dragon list. > Thought you might find the engine/cooler comments useful. > >Regards >brian whatcott > >At 23:35 9/27/97 -0700, John Mason wrote: >>Hello all, > >> Revmaster, in someone's infinite wisdom decided somehow, to block >>off the oil by-pass resulting in having oil pressures in the ninety psi >>range upon starting the engine while cold. This is OK, I guess, but when >>coupled with a paper thin oil cooler and in a high vibration >>environment, and large hoses that are creating stress on the fittings >>you have a real potential for disaster. Dave was very fortunate. I >>personally have blown out three of this exact cooler in a Formula >>Russell--Mazda powered race car. The cooler is an after market item that is available from Whitneys catalog, >>hotrod, and offroad, shops and is marketed but a number of distributers. >>They all are mfg. in Canada and this one was stamped Borg Warner. They >>are all 1 1/2 inches thick and 8 inches wide. Some are 3 inches deep, 6 >>inches, and Daves was 11 1/2. >... >>John >>Mason > >>dragonlist >brian whatcott >Altus OK > I've been flying with the same oil cooler on my revmaster for five years with no problems. Can't say that I never will but I have never seen higher than 60 psi.. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:24:29 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in At 09:53 PM 9/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >OK, I answered Troy, but is anyone else going to make it to Copperstate >weekend after next? I changed my mind and decided to go. > >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213W construction and first flight at >http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >//www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > What is the airport identifier on my GPS? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:24:26 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh At 11:10 PM 9/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Really old! I got a kick out of looking at the buildings downtown. The brickwork on some of them was >fantastic! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Micheal, you're right! Some of the brickwork was great. Next year let me know when you think you might want to get lost and take a tour. I'll go with you. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:36:00 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page At 01:44 AM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Can I stick my nose in here? What the heck is a defreeze gear? >If it's none of my business I'll back off, but I am curious. > >Dave Moore > > He (Bill Defreeze) designed a reatractable tri-cycle gear back in the 70's I think! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:38:07 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: KR for flight sim (forward to kr-net) >Return-Path: >X-Sender: jsellars@mail.mon.auracom.com >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:43:52 -0300 >To: mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >From: Jim Sellars >Subject: KR for flight sim > >Mike: I have had some mail returned saying the user could not be found but >I sent the mail to krnet-1@teleport.com. I know I can usually get through >to you would you foreward this one to the gang ? Any ideas why I can't get >to the group myself would be appreciated. >Regards; Jim > >Subject: Flight Characteristics of the KR2 for Flight Sim >> >>Friends; I would like to make a suggestion to you who are especially >>computer talented. Have you looked at the Lionheart web page ? On that >>page there is a very interesting bit of info that allows you to experience >>the flight characteristics of the Lionheart Beach stagger wing look-alike. >>Load the figures provided into your Flight Sim. and go ahead and log time in >>the virtual aircraft to judge the flying that you would experience in the >>real thing. Great idea, I would say. Those of you who know, would agree >>that the Microsoft Flight Sim. Win95 version is very good, and the real >>thing is not so very far from the exerience you can enjoy at the desk in >>your den. >> How about developing that same info for a KR2 with the 0-200 or >>Subaru EA-82, or VW 1850, so that we can do some virtual test flying as we >>work up to the day when our craft are ready for the real thing ? >> I know that there are people reading this note that can do that sort >>of calculation in there sleep. I know something else too, I'd like to have >>the figures to load into my simulator so I could fly you airplane from the >>comfort of my desk. You realize that we could actually have a virtual >>fly-in, on the web complete with various paint schemes and everything. How >>about giving it a go, and showing the rest of us less talented how it is >>done too ? >>Regards; Jim >> >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:45:09 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: Them Prop bolts Won't Columbia exchange those bolts for you Ross? You'll just be out the ime and shipping... bou John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - gluing the cross-members in the belly Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: Ross > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Them Prop bolts > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 1:34 AM > > Well, the AN5-34 were too long, so I bought some AN5-33 and washers > still too long. So I'm 92 miles away from home near the bolt place > and decide to take a wild guess and buy some prop bolts. I guessed > close AN5-31. Guess what... found out today these are too short! > > I can either buy some more washers or get some AN5-32. Hmmm. > > -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: LVav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in In a message dated 97-09-30 09:05:31 EDT, you write: << >OK, I answered Troy, but is anyone else going to make it to Copperstate >weekend after next? I changed my mind and decided to go. > >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213W construction and first flight at >http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >//www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > What is the airport identifier on my GPS? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bobby, The airport identifier for Williams Gateway airport is IWA, but it might be KIWA in your GPS's database. It's 20 miles to the southeast of Phoenix, AZ. If some of the KRNeters are going to be there lets try to pin down a day and I'll try to get the day off from work and go too. Kind of make it a southwest KR Gathering! The flyin is scheduled for the 9th thru the 12th and it would be easiest for me to get Thursday or Friday the 9th or 10th off. Let's try to work this out ASAP cause closer to the date it will be much harder to get the day off. Of course weather could be a problem but usually is severe clear this time of year in the desert. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com KR-2S 2% complete __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:33:04 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: KR: DeFreze Retract System Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Rich MCCall wrote: > > > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > > > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was > >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you > >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those > >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter > >would turn up something. > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >email at langford@hiwaay.net > >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > I have all of the drawings, handed down to me from Herb Bull and Bill > DeFreezs. Herb flew with the gear for several years and I flew with it for > two years. It was great. > > Contact me directly if you still want to discuss the gear. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Rich, If you take a look at my construction pages(const2.html) you will see the Bill DeFreze gear setup that I used. It came out of the Jan 77 #19 Kr Newsletter in conjunction with the Nov 77 #29 Newletter. Never had any problems with it and have landed in some pretty rough fields. It was designed by Charles Wells and drawn by Bill DeFreze. Mark! twenty years is ancient???? hihi. Unfortunately, I do not have a scanner or would get it up on my website. Am sure with helpful guys like Mark and Bobby, you will know all about the Charlie Wells pinlock retract system. It's a good one. Sorry that I can't be of more help. - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:39:53 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam Robert Maniss wrote: > > Can someone out there help me with info about foam? > 1. How is foam rated - lbs. per cubic foot? density? ??? > 2. What does RR recommend (sell)? > 3. Any suggestions about your own favorite or recommendations? > I appreciaate any and all suggestions. The fellowship at Perry was > great. Met some of the best "plane drivers" I've ever known. Thanks to > everyone who caused me to come home blabbering like an excited teenager. > Bob Maniss Abilene, TX 1. Yes, you buy it in different densities (lbs/cu ft.) however, the cell structure may still vary. 2. RR plans recommend urethane foam 3. Urethane sands easily, is fuel resistant, is heat resistant, is fairly expensive. Polystyrene may be obtained in 2 lb density, dissolves quickly in fuel, won't take severe heat. EPS styrene (large cell) sands easily. My favorite is elastafoam (clark foam??) from Wicks which is available in 1/4 to 1/2 inch thickness, sands well, fuel resistant, is available in 4 lb density. I'm using all 3 foams in my plane. Best bet is to get a little foam, epoxy and glass cloth and play around with it. Best of Luck Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:45:35 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Here goes Troy Johnson wrote: What tools do most of you feel > are an absolute must? The best tool is a piece of string, stretched tight. It is the only thing that can be trusted as straight. Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:56:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Here goes On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, smithr wrote: > Troy Johnson wrote: > What tools do most of you feel > > are an absolute must? > > The best tool is a piece of string, stretched tight. It is the only > thing that can be trusted as straight. > > Bob Smith > Also a couple plumb bobs to hang from the string. Great for locating datum points while trying to jig/align things. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:04:44 -0700 From: Troy Johnson Subject: KR: Thanks I only have e-mail at work so I am going to send out one big thanks to everyone for all the responses to my tool posting. I had a pretty good idea of what I felt was necessary but of course I learned a couple of things that I hadn't thought about. I hope I didn't start something with all the responses to the Copperstate question! But I sure hope all of you can make it. Maybe I could arrange for a BBQ or something. Let me know what everyone's schedules are. Mike M., I'm really hoping to head out there, either way, I'm out there a few times a year so maybe I could drop in for a visit sometime. Ross Y., I'm not sure where in Oregon you are, but I travel a couple times of year to the Portland area too. Dave M., My friends already think I'm nuts, got my powered ultralight certification a few months ago, next is private. Everybody is willing to help build though (except for the sanding!). Thanks again guys for all the responses! ****************************************************************************** Troy A. Johnson Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support System Enhancement Center VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, there! **************************************************************************** *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:49:21 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Member List Look at all these members (alphabetized for your browsing pleasure!)! Woo Hoo! 168 and growing! 19don26@castles.com 71714.1611@compuserve.com a0009415@airmail.net Abby88@aol.com adoherty@mbnet.mb.ca ahawkins@axionet.com a.pecorara@telecomitalia.it barkingduk@aol.com barkjw@scis.nova.edu barwick@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au bbland@busprod.com bkno@algonet.se blankdg@mail2.theonramp.net bmsi@ix.netcom.com bmuse@mindspring.com brewboss@aol.com BSHADR@aol.com bvermeul@concentric.net Carlos-R-Martinez-Dayton@juno.com cartera@cuug.ab.ca cary@storm.ca chuck@kronites.kronos.com colberg@okway.okstate.edu cptlee@castles.com crudenit@iinet.net.au cruising@nternet.net cwcrane@why.net dalet361@nccn.net dambrose@ican.net davinick2@aol.com DC4FREE@aol.com dcsmith@amug.org DeGangeJ@aol.com derstl@primary.net dhearn@Theramp.net donreid@erols.com dragonridge@earthlink.net Driessen@KROHNE.MHS.CompuServe.COM duncan@plains.nodak.edu EagleGator@aol.com ejanssen@chipsnet.com ejrem@worldnet.att.net ekoppe@flash.net Elcolorado@aol.com enewbold@sprynet.com FENDI@aol.com flatrock@flash.net flyer@clas.net frouwsl@eskom.co.za geo2late@aol.com gibbsse@dhfs.state.wi.us GPASC@worldnet.att.net gpbell@pacbell.net greg@brokersys.com harvey@wombat.eng.fsu.edu henning@cs.uregina.ca hlwelte@www.vornet.com holsten@visi.net Horn2004@aol.com HPMTU@SWMAIL.SW.ORG ICBM@ix.netcom.com imort@webtv.net inet@intellisys.net itac@datasync.com Jane_Link@msn.com jcricks@mindspring.com jeb@thuntek.net JEHayward@aol.com jeroffey@tir.com jesch@cyberhighway.net jesch@cyberis.net jfaughn@MO.NET jfdewet@intekom.co.za johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net john.kuehl@continet.com jscott.pilot@juno.com jsellars@auracom.com jsmolen@umich.edu kafarn@ionet.net kencombs@onramp.net kencor@cneti.com kernel@citrus.infi.net khersh@dtc.net kmiller@flash.net KR2616TJ@aol.com kr2builder@juno.com kr2larry@aol.com KRkip@aol.com krwr1@aol.com langford@hiwaay.net larryd@cet.com larryfle@midwest.net lau@mda.ca ldeckert@aol.com LEESTAN-4@worldnet.att.net ljacks@codenet.net lpalani@pop.jaring.my lsherrod@rose.net LVav8r@aol.com macsky@aol.com markpi@oz.sunflower.org mathewrz@iafrica.com mbroaddu@indy.net meassick@edison.nmhu.edu mend.pereira@mail.telepac.pt mikec@admin1.southga.tec.ga.us MikeTnyc@aol.com mimsmand@ix.netcom.com mistic@vci.net mouse@heiwa.com mporadun@nas.com MR.MARVIN@worldnet.att.net mtnest@shentel.net N911TB@aol.com naqvi@khi.compol.com newtech@newtech.com owewi01@cai.com paf1@pixie.co.za parley@anv.net patri63@ibm.net perryw@hal-pc.org PhilKR2s@aol.com phudson@iwvisp.com pisquare@ix.netcom.com pleonard@gil.com.au rahuman@swbell.net rcannoles@hotmail.com rdefrain@aol.com redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net rellington@ou.edu rick@datasync.com rmacdon@sprintlabs.com rmccall@oz-online.net ronlee@pcisys.net rossy@teleport.com roybennett@prodigy.com scott_richey@mail.arc.nasa.gov sketch013@worldnet.att.net skylite@ime.net skytech@iserv.net slimpidlin@aol.com smithr@wadsworth.org sportplanes@worldnet.att.net ssagaser@ndsuext.nodak.edu stampest@wwwinc.com steen8751a@aol.com stevemn@usaor.net t48715@twobit.dehavilland.ca t88@primenet.com taildrag@juno.com TANDEM2@aol.com taom@randomc.com tbrown@pcpros.net ted_louisa@vserver.coastalcruising.com tinker@mn.state.net tjohnson@wyle.com tomc@afn.org tomstokesl@juno.com tomstokes@worldnet.att.net trenton@bga.com TSTAGG@3dimaging.com turnkey1@mscomm.com tzt@mail.stclaire.com unal.turkal@fornet.net.tr welteh@aol.com Wildfill@aol.com wolfpacks@juno.com zeus.wier.net ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:35:28 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Here goes >Troy Johnson wrote: > What tools do most of you feel >> are an absolute must? > >The best tool is a piece of string, stretched tight. It is the only >thing that can be trusted as straight. > >Bob Smith What also works great, and one I prefer over string, is a long piece of thin-to-medium transformer wire. You can get it at Radio Shack. Make an X-Acto notch at one end of your table, lay in the wire, then stretch it to the other side to another notch in the right place and wrap around a tack or something. Gives a nice straight line. Then you can mark under the location of the wire every three feet or so, and connect the dots with a straightedge, and you have a nicely defined centerline. You will probably want to make sure the line is square with at least one end of the table, or you will need to draw a line somewhere convenient across your centerline. Robert Covington Another Method Dept. Dept. of Dept.'s Rancho Cucamonga, CA Please Refer All Typo's To Dept. Of Corrections ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:02:25 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh Bobby Muse wrote: > At 11:10 PM 9/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Really old! I got a kick out of looking at the buildings downtown. The > brickwork on some of them was > >fantastic! > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > > Micheal, you're right! Some of the brickwork was great. Next year let me > know when you think you might want to get lost and take a tour. I'll go > with you. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Me Too. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:56:20 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Here goes smithr wrote: > The best tool is a piece of string, stretched tight. It is the only > thing that can be trusted as straight. > > Bob Smith Actually, it is only straight in the horizontal direction. In a gravity field, it will form a shape called a catenary. :) - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:12:46 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Here goes At 03:35 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >What also works great, and one I prefer over string, is a long piece of >thin-to-medium transformer wire. You can get it at Radio Shack. Make an >X-Acto notch at one end of your table, lay in the wire, then stretch it to >the other side to another notch in the right place and wrap around a tack >or something. Gives a nice straight line. > Man your guys KRs aint ever gona fly right if you go using all this high tech precision equipment to make it straight!! Robert, your T-Shirt has with stood two machine washings and is still going strong! Consider it tested tough! It has quickly become one of my favorites!! Thanks! Today while pondering my Dragonfly plans I had an idea. Is there anyone else out there that likes the idea of the fuel sight gauge but would rather use something other than clear fuel line? Well if so,.. I should have a quick drawing up on the web by 10:00pm left coast time. It will be on the Ideas page! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:16:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh At 06:02 PM 9/30/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Bobby Muse wrote: > >> At 11:10 PM 9/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >> > >> >Really old! I got a kick out of looking at the buildings downtown. The >> brickwork on some of them was >> >fantastic! >> > >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >Micheal Mims >> >> Micheal, you're right! Some of the brickwork was great. Next year let me >> know when you think you might want to get lost and take a tour. I'll go >> with you. >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) >> bmuse@mindspring.com >> Wimberly, TX > > Me Too. > >-- Well then I guess its a date! See yall next Sept! :o) Maybe we can get a list of historical sites (very old buildings and such) from Don?!?! (Randy are you listening?) Anyone up for high school football? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:45:50 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Here goes Donald Reid wrote: > > smithr wrote: > > The best tool is a piece of string, stretched tight. It is the only > > thing that can be trusted as straight. > > > > Bob Smith > > Actually, it is only straight in the horizontal direction. In a gravity > field, it will form a shape called a catenary. :) > -- > Don Reid > donreid@erols.com Thank you Antonio Gaudi Reid! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:57:18 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in > > What is the airport identifier on my GPS? > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Bobby, > > The airport identifier for Williams Gateway airport is IWA, but it might >be KIWA in your GPS's database. It's 20 miles to the southeast of Phoenix, >AZ. If some of the KRNeters are going to be there lets try to pin down a day >and I'll try to get the day off from work and go too. Kind of make it a >southwest KR Gathering! The flyin is scheduled for the 9th thru the 12th and >it would be easiest for me to get Thursday or Friday the 9th or 10th off. >Let's try to work this out ASAP cause closer to the date it will be much >harder to get the day off. Of course weather could be a problem but usually >is severe clear this time of year in the desert. > > >Tom Kilgore My plan is to get there around noon on Friday and leave early Sunday. I don't expect to spend alot of time out in the sun on the flightline, but would like to get together if we set a time and place to meet. Evenings are going to be sipping margaritas next to the hotel pool. :oP Williams Gateway (IWA) is the former Williams AFB. The three huge parallel runways are hard to miss. Hope to see lots of KRNetters there. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:40:27 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Revmaster e-mail address Does anyone have the e-mail address/web site for Revmaster. I've not had any luck with my searches. Thanks much. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:06:25 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Member List Michael Can you take the jesch@cyberhighway.net e-mail address off of the list. That is my old internet provider address. John F. Esch Salem, OR jesch@cyberis.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:12:08 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: VW engines Michael I was wondering about what do you look for and what type of VW engines do a person look for? I know you want to get an engine that hasn't had a "bore sight?" done yet to it. I have notice a little more ads for people trying to sell VW parts etc in a free want adds up here. John F. "on the hunt for parts or what ever catches my eye" Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:47:35 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: Re: KR: Member List Micheal Mims wrote: > > Look at all these members (alphabetized for your browsing pleasure!)! Woo > Hoo! 168 and growing! > > 19don26@castles.com > 71714.1611@compuserve.com > a0009415@airmail.net > Abby88@aol.com > adoherty@mbnet.mb.ca > ahawkins@axionet.com > a.pecorara@telecomitalia.it > barkingduk@aol.com > barkjw@scis.nova.edu > barwick@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au > bbland@busprod.com > bkno@algonet.se > blankdg@mail2.theonramp.net > bmsi@ix.netcom.com > bmuse@mindspring.com > brewboss@aol.com > BSHADR@aol.com > bvermeul@concentric.net > Carlos-R-Martinez-Dayton@juno.com > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > cary@storm.ca > chuck@kronites.kronos.com > colberg@okway.okstate.edu > cptlee@castles.com > crudenit@iinet.net.au > cruising@nternet.net > cwcrane@why.net > dalet361@nccn.net > dambrose@ican.net > davinick2@aol.com > DC4FREE@aol.com > dcsmith@amug.org > DeGangeJ@aol.com > derstl@primary.net > dhearn@Theramp.net > donreid@erols.com > dragonridge@earthlink.net > Driessen@KROHNE.MHS.CompuServe.COM > duncan@plains.nodak.edu > EagleGator@aol.com > ejanssen@chipsnet.com > ejrem@worldnet.att.net > ekoppe@flash.net > Elcolorado@aol.com > enewbold@sprynet.com > FENDI@aol.com > flatrock@flash.net > flyer@clas.net > frouwsl@eskom.co.za > geo2late@aol.com > gibbsse@dhfs.state.wi.us > GPASC@worldnet.att.net > gpbell@pacbell.net > greg@brokersys.com > harvey@wombat.eng.fsu.edu > henning@cs.uregina.ca > hlwelte@www.vornet.com > holsten@visi.net > Horn2004@aol.com > HPMTU@SWMAIL.SW.ORG > ICBM@ix.netcom.com > imort@webtv.net > inet@intellisys.net > itac@datasync.com > Jane_Link@msn.com > jcricks@mindspring.com > jeb@thuntek.net > JEHayward@aol.com > jeroffey@tir.com > jesch@cyberhighway.net > jesch@cyberis.net > jfaughn@MO.NET > jfdewet@intekom.co.za > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > john.kuehl@continet.com > jscott.pilot@juno.com > jsellars@auracom.com > jsmolen@umich.edu > kafarn@ionet.net > kencombs@onramp.net > kencor@cneti.com > kernel@citrus.infi.net > khersh@dtc.net > kmiller@flash.net > KR2616TJ@aol.com > kr2builder@juno.com > kr2larry@aol.com > KRkip@aol.com > krwr1@aol.com > langford@hiwaay.net > larryd@cet.com > larryfle@midwest.net > lau@mda.ca > ldeckert@aol.com > LEESTAN-4@worldnet.att.net > ljacks@codenet.net > lpalani@pop.jaring.my > lsherrod@rose.net > LVav8r@aol.com > macsky@aol.com > markpi@oz.sunflower.org > mathewrz@iafrica.com > mbroaddu@indy.net > meassick@edison.nmhu.edu > mend.pereira@mail.telepac.pt > mikec@admin1.southga.tec.ga.us > MikeTnyc@aol.com > mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > mistic@vci.net > mouse@heiwa.com > mporadun@nas.com > MR.MARVIN@worldnet.att.net > mtnest@shentel.net > N911TB@aol.com > naqvi@khi.compol.com > newtech@newtech.com > owewi01@cai.com > paf1@pixie.co.za > parley@anv.net > patri63@ibm.net > perryw@hal-pc.org > PhilKR2s@aol.com > phudson@iwvisp.com > pisquare@ix.netcom.com > pleonard@gil.com.au > rahuman@swbell.net > rcannoles@hotmail.com > rdefrain@aol.com > redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net > rellington@ou.edu > rick@datasync.com > rmacdon@sprintlabs.com > rmccall@oz-online.net > ronlee@pcisys.net > rossy@teleport.com > roybennett@prodigy.com > scott_richey@mail.arc.nasa.gov > sketch013@worldnet.att.net > skylite@ime.net > skytech@iserv.net > slimpidlin@aol.com > smithr@wadsworth.org > sportplanes@worldnet.att.net > ssagaser@ndsuext.nodak.edu > stampest@wwwinc.com > steen8751a@aol.com > stevemn@usaor.net > t48715@twobit.dehavilland.ca > t88@primenet.com > taildrag@juno.com > TANDEM2@aol.com > taom@randomc.com > tbrown@pcpros.net > ted_louisa@vserver.coastalcruising.com > tinker@mn.state.net > tjohnson@wyle.com > tomc@afn.org > tomstokesl@juno.com > tomstokes@worldnet.att.net > trenton@bga.com > TSTAGG@3dimaging.com > turnkey1@mscomm.com > tzt@mail.stclaire.com > unal.turkal@fornet.net.tr > welteh@aol.com > Wildfill@aol.com > wolfpacks@juno.com > zeus.wier.net > > ________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand An impressive list, thanks Mike. However, just to keep the record straight, cruising@nternet.net is obsolete, replaced by ted_louisa@mail.coastalcruising.com Cheers, Ted Jones (currently in Center Harbor, New Hampshire instead of Beaufort, North Carolina -- [doesn't matter, as I'm not building anything in either location at the moment, but who knows?].) ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #108 *****************************