From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 1:48 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n110' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #110 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Thursday, October 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 110 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:16:06 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 02:06 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > A wing microed all around, looks like being > >easier tbe covered wrapping around long sheets of glass fibre, thus > >reducings overlap joints to a bare minimum. > >my English is quite basic, hope to have been able to explain the idea. > >Should like to hear anyone's comment. > >best regards > > > > Your english is great! Much better than my Italian! :o) > > >From my experience,..applying micro to foam and letting it cure so you can > sand it doesn't work so well. You will find it difficult to sand because > the areas with micro are much harder than the bare foam. Trying to true up > (make flat) a surface like this is almost impossible. Your best bet is to > sand down the high spots, fill in the low spots (with dry micro) and then > slurry the whole thing and apply your glass. > > Maybe someone else has had better luck and can offer more positive advise. > > ________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand The guy from Texas with the big KR with air conditioning (can't remember his name) claims that the best and easiest way is to let the micro on foam harden first, before applying glass. He apparently has had lots of experience with glass/epoxy work. You might want to get the details of his method. Anyone want to comment on whether his method is best? Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:05:56 +-200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: Polishing of Plexiglass Hi Folks during the painting of my A/C some over spray got onto the plexiglass I also had a small mishap with some plexiglass cement. When I discovered it, it was already hard. After trying fine metal polish and finding that it did not work I decided that some thing more harsh might do the trick. The secret is Fine Burnishing compound on a damp soft rag. Afterwards I polished the plexiglass with "Permatex plastic polish". I found that lacquer thinners also lifts off "Duratane -K" overspray. Kobus (should be airborne within 2 weeks) de Wet From sunny Cape Town South Africa www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/lab/5101 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:12:24 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Web Page Moving!! I am in the process of moving my website to a new server, the new URL will be: http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/ Please bear with me while this transition is in progress. This is an attempt to reduce the amount of ISPs I am currently dealing with. The move should be complete by this weekend. Pacbell's servers are lightning fast compared to Netcom's. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:16:26 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup As a Long-EZ builder, I find the idea of microing the whole wing and letting it harden a bit ludicrous. The idea of this foam business is to get the foam perfect, if possible, before you lay glass over it. Small dings etc, can be filled with dry micro. If you want to let it dry first, put peel ply over it. Personally, I always put the dry micro over dings, then slurried, then glassed. If the foam has bumps and valleys before you glass, you get the same afterwards and have to do that nasty finishing work. Take the time to get the foam as perfect as possible. Ron Lee >> A wing microed all around, looks like being >> >easier tbe covered wrapping around long sheets of glass fibre, thus >> >reducings overlap joints to a bare minimum. >> >my English is quite basic, hope to have been able to explain the idea. >> >Should like to hear anyone's comment. >> >best regards >> > >> >> >From my experience,..applying micro to foam and letting it cure so you can >> sand it doesn't work so well. You will find it difficult to sand because >> the areas with micro are much harder than the bare foam. Trying to true up >> (make flat) a surface like this is almost impossible. Your best bet is to >> sand down the high spots, fill in the low spots (with dry micro) and then >> slurry the whole thing and apply your glass. >> Micheal Mims >The guy from Texas with the big KR with air conditioning (can't remember >his name) claims that the best and easiest way is to let the micro on >foam harden first, before applying glass. He apparently has had lots of >experience with glass/epoxy work. You might want to get the details of >his method. Anyone want to comment on whether his method is best? > >Bob Smith > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup In a message dated 10/1/97 12:22:34 PM, you wrote: <> Les Palmer is the gent you're referring to. His method is intended to minimize weight by limiting the amount of epoxy which can get "into" the foam when you are wetting out the glass. The initial application of micro is intended to seal the foam. Obviously you need to scuff/sand the cured micro prior to doing the final layup. I suppose you could peelply the whole thing to avoid having to sand the first application of micro. Course, his KR is pretty dang heavy. Looks good, though. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:57:57 +0100 From: Antonio Pereira Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup Alessandro Pecorara wrote: > > I read, in a old issue of SPORT AVIATION: "never allow micro tu cure on > bare foam with the idea of glassing over it later". > A few days ago, I've been told that glassing over cured micro is > possible (and may be useful if your core is not-so-good and you have > some corrections to do, such as spar cap to foam smoothing, with less > risk of damages). Of course, before glassing, micro surfaces have to be > sanded dull thoroughly. A wing microed all around, looks like being > easier tbe covered wrapping around long sheets of glass fibre, thus > reducings overlap joints to a bare minimum. > my English is quite basic, hope to have been able to explain the idea. > Should like to hear anyone's comment. > best regards > > alessandro pecorara > Dear Alessandro, Here is a basic idea I gathered from my composite experience (not very deep). I hope it helps you. Micro is used wherever there is no structural need, i.e. for cosmetic purposes only; I understand it doesn't carry shear very well. When you need this kind of bond, you must use flox. In the KR-1 and KR-2 type of aircraft, the wing skins carry most of the wing shear loads, therefore you should assure a good bond between the wooden spars and the fibreglass skin. No micro, or bondo, or paint, or any other finish than barewood in that area. Remember, structural bonds-flox; non-structural bonds-micro. I hope this idea proves helpful in any way. Happy building, Antonio Portugal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:59:31 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup At 01:16 PM 10/1/97, you wrote: >As a Long-EZ builder, I find the idea of microing the whole wing >and letting it harden a bit ludicrous. The idea of this foam >business is to get the foam perfect, if possible, before you lay >glass over it. Small dings etc, can be filled with dry micro. > >If you want to let it dry first, put peel ply over it. Personally, >I always put the dry micro over dings, then slurried, then glassed. >If the foam has bumps and valleys before you glass, you get the same >afterwards and have to do that nasty finishing work. > >Take the time to get the foam as perfect as possible. > >Ron Lee > > > I agree with Ron 100%. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:11:19 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Neil Bingham's KR Howdy. I read the review that Neil wrote on the handling characteristics and etc. of HIS KR. Verrrrry interesting reading, and good info for someone (like me) who has never ridden in one, much less flown one. Thanks for posting it! Boy, it makes me think again about some of my "must-do" ideas... like lights and electric system, bumping out the fuselage at the shoulders, and trying some of the "fixes" for twitchy pitch handling, like extending the fuselage or increasing tail volume. Maybe the "leave it alone" guys are halfway right? Oh, and I love what he says in the closing paragraph or two. This is the way to do it, guys: you don't do high-speed passes down low to get in trouble. However, if your eyes are like mine, and you want to get a good look at the windsock so you can make a safer landing, you have to take matters in your own hands! I can't wait to go up in one of these things. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:27:51 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Measurement Conversion Tables Available on my Web Page Hi guys. I just finished updating my web site with a new page that has some nice Conversion Tables on it. I wrote the stuff in JavaScript, so if you got JavaScript disabled or are using a very old version of Netscape or IExplorer (like version 2.0 and below), they won't work. I'm always trying to convert some measurement from one system or another, so I whipped up these tables to help me out. Measurements: mm - inches - meters - feet - yards. Temperatures: fahrenheit - celcius. Volumes: liters - ounces - quarts - gallons. Weights: kilograms - pounds. If you need to convert mesaurements like this, take a look and try them out. I have them at: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/metric.htm You also might wish to take a peek at my home page located at: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/ Have fun. See y'all later. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH PS: Mike Mimms - I'll update my link to your site when you get all settled into the new server. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Latex sensitivity On the Q list, there has been some discussion ie skin rash/reaction when using latex gloves. The following post is worth knowing about. Put this into your keeper file: <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:32:43 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Project update On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:40:01 -0700, you wrote: >Brian, >You say you are building a stretched and widened KR2s, how long and how >wide? What engine? > >Dave Moore (just being nosey) Dave, It is 10 inches longer than the standard KR-2s and 24 inches longer than the KR-2. I am trying to decide how wide. I was thinking about making it 43 inches inside, which would work out to 45.5" on the outside, or 7.375" wider than normal. I am going to start laying it out tonight and will see how wide I will make it. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK Building Stretched, Widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:42:14 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! >Congratulations Ed! You must have been feeling really left out without >your own plane there. Glad to see you'll be flying at next years >gathering. Jeff Scott Thanks Jeff. I'm really excited about getting this little gem into the air, and yes, flying it to Perry next year for The Gathering (assuming I don't get the -2 finished by then, which would be a minor miracle). Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:57:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Neil Bingham's KR At 05:11 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: Maybe the "leave it alone" guys are halfway right? > We shall see!! Yes my friend we shall see! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:38:12 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Latex sensitivity On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:27:35 -0400 (EDT) BSHADR@aol.com writes: > ><Date: 97-10-01 19:10:54 EDT >From: cash@littongcs.com (Cash, Gene) > >I just read a short article concerning latex sensitivity. Seems there >is a new lotion called Allergy Guard made by Virasept that inhibits >reactions to latex for 4 hours per application. It will reportedly >clear up skin reactions to latex in 30 minutes. It's new so I have no >idea where to find it. Yet. I'll keep you posted. > >Gene Cash>> > > Personally, I found the vinyl gloves from Wicks to be more comfortable and half the price for the same number of latex gloves. Also, no alergic response. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:02:32 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Neil Bingham's KR On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:11:19 -0700 taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) writes: >Howdy. > >I read the review that Neil wrote on the handling characteristics and >etc. of HIS KR. Verrrrry interesting reading, and good info for >someone (like me) who has never ridden in one, much less flown one. >Thanks for posting it! > >Boy, it makes me think again about some of my "must-do" ideas... like >lights and electric system, bumping out the fuselage at the shoulders, >and trying some of the "fixes" for twitchy pitch handling, like >extending the fuselage or increasing tail volume. Maybe the "leave it >alone" guys are halfway right? > >Oh, and I love what he says in the closing paragraph or two. This is >the way to do it, guys: you don't do high-speed passes down low to get >in trouble. However, if your eyes are like mine, and you want to get >a good look at the windsock so you can make a safer landing, you have >to take matters in your own hands! I can't wait to go up in one of >these things. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon One thing to remember is that Neil is an experienced builder that put his opinion on paper. There are lots of experienced builders with lots of opinions. Some might agree with Neil, while others might not. Many of them participate in this forum. Having his article published in Sport Aviation doesn't necessarily make all of it the gospel truth for all applications. I would agree with much of what he says, but based on my experience and expectaions with my KR, I wouldn't agree with all of it. Much is defined by your needs and expections from your plane. I could easily reduce the weight of my -2S by 70 to 100 lbs if I rip out the electrics. I knew I was sacrificing payload and speed by adding the additional weight, but my plane seems to perform quite well and is not unstable flying at up to 1200# gross. It currently cruises at 150 mph. I expect about another 10 mph in time as I install wheel pants, gap seals, etc. If I were to lighten up the plane, I could probably get another 10 - 15 mph, but my choice is to stay with the full electric heavier version of the plane. Of course if JEB's Turbo SOOB smokes me when he gets it flying, all bets are off. ;o) Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:20:34 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup At 01:16 PM 10/1/97, you wrote: >As a Long-EZ builder, I find the idea of microing the whole wing >and letting it harden a bit ludicrous. The idea of this foam >business is to get the foam perfect, if possible, before you lay >glass over it. Small dings etc, can be filled with dry micro. I agree, but also for another reason. You are adding a step, and probably some weight. As for comparing it to the KR with a/c, I think you mean Les Palmer's KR. Nice plane, but heavy. The instructions in the plans seem to be a pretty good way to do it. All you really need to do is put enough slurry on the foam to seal it a bit. Kerry Miller Royse City, TX (See, Randy, I remembered the location! Like anybody knows where Royse City is anyway...) Maybe I should say 7 miles south of Caddo Mills airport... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:57:20 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup At 22:20 10/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Kerry Miller >Royse City, TX > >(See, Randy, I remembered the location! Like anybody knows where Royse City >is anyway...) > >Maybe I should say 7 miles south of Caddo Mills airport... > Where all the glider pilots hang out? Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:01:25 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 01:16 PM 10/1/97, you wrote: > >As a Long-EZ builder, I find the idea of microing the whole wing > >and letting it harden a bit ludicrous. The idea of this foam > >business is to get the foam perfect, if possible, before you lay > >glass over it. Small dings etc, can be filled with dry micro. > > > >If you want to let it dry first, put peel ply over it. Personally, > >I always put the dry micro over dings, then slurried, then glassed. > >If the foam has bumps and valleys before you glass, you get the same > >afterwards and have to do that nasty finishing work. > > > >Take the time to get the foam as perfect as possible. > > > >Ron Lee > > > > > > > I agree with Ron 100%. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX--------------------------- I would also agree with the Long-ez builder. Get the foam as close to perfect as possible. The only thing the micro does is fill the pores of the foam so the foam does not fill up with straight epoxy and get heavy. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 23:19:01 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: Re: KR: fiberglass wet layup At 10:57 PM 10/1/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Where all the glider pilots hang out? > >Regards >brian whatcott >Altus OK That's the place! They really hate us power guys... until we get ready to pay the hangar rental... Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 23:22:52 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: Re: KR: Adrian's web site and others At 06:00 AM 10/1/97 -0600, you wrote: >Good Morning Kerry, >Whatcha you doing up so early in the morning? We must be in the >same time zone. Just getting ready for my morning walk in 2 mins. Uh, I don't have a life? I'm always up early, I was about to head for work and just stopped to check my email. Kerry Miller, WD5ABC! Royse City, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:33:47 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: juno.com I have a whole SLEW of bounced messages to users at juno.com If you are at juno.com, send me a message (not to KRNET) and let me know you are OK. I think that the juno.com mail system may have barfed. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:09:26 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Here goes Troy Johnson wrote: > > Okay Gang, > Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you feel > are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any specialty > tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a dead > horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a > dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. > I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely necessary, > low budget building you know! > I bought a benchtop drill press at Home Depot for about $99 in 1988 at Home Depot, possibly the one in Mesa just north of 360, or it could have been the one near Chandler, I forget. The benchtop drill press was terrific. Making gussets is a real pain, I did mine the hard way, I also bought a benchtop table saw for about $99 at Home Depot.. I think I bought this first and cut all my 5/8" material with it. Fine tuning the gussets was a PAIN, so the miter saw might be a better choice, but I don't know what it costs. Also, EVERY trip to Home Depot, buy about two "C" clamps. You will need about 15-20 or so, and if you buy them all at once it is painfull. One every two weekends and you will have enough by the time you join the fuselage sides. I also picked up a couple of pipe clamps (3 total) these also came in handy for the fuselage joining, and somewhat during the spar build up. Hope your Dremel holds out... mine is finally showing the effects of fiberglass dust. I also eventually purchased a power planer (BLack & Decker) and a random orbital sander (Makita). All of this was spread out over the last 10 years with the last purchase being the orbital sander. It does a great job of finish work, but nothing competes with a block sander. (Well there is an inline air sander, but it requires a bigger compresser...$$$). Now that I've babbled for three whole paragraphs. It's someone elses turn. -- Ross > Anyhow if you guys don't want to load up the net, please respond directly, > I don't mind getting a leot of repetetive answers as that will tell me what > is really needed. > > Last but not least, is anyone out there going to the Copperstate fly-in > October 9-12. Last year there were 3 KR's there and of course I am hungry > for more input. > > Thanks for letting me tie up bandwith, I promise none will be this long > again, unless I have something worthwhile to contribute! > > ****************************************************************************** > Troy A. Johnson > Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support > System Enhancement Center > VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 > > We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, there! > **************************************************************************** > *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:17:53 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam I built 90% of my project from Urethane foam. Just look for it in the ACS (Aircraft Spruce) or Wicks catalogs under Urethane. It can be cut into 2'x4' sheets for UPS shipping. Thats what I did, most of it is 1" thick with some 2". The last 10% was the cowling, I ran out of foam, and decided to run out and buy some styrofoam locally. This is what Ken Rand built the original KR out of. It is a bit harder to sand, and is tougher to clean out of a mold... you have to dissolve it with Gasoline or somthing similar. It leaves a sticky mess. Urethane, well you just make a big dusty mess out of it with a kitchen knife. The densities are specified in the ACS & Wicks catalog.. I didn't care too much about this as most of the foam ended up on the garage floor. -- Ross Robert Maniss wrote: > > Can someone out there help me with info about foam? > 1. How is foam rated - lbs. per cubic foot? density? ??? > 2. What does RR recommend (sell)? > 3. Any suggestions about your own favorite or recommendations? > I appreciaate any and all suggestions. The fellowship at Perry was > great. Met some of the best "plane drivers" I've ever known. Thanks to > everyone who caused me to come home blabbering like an excited teenager. > Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:18:58 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in Hmmm... My mom would like to see me that weekend, perhaps I can swing a trip to Phoenix for the Copperstate... Hmmm....I'll check with management. Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > OK, I answered Troy, but is anyone else going to make it to Copperstate > weekend after next? I changed my mind and decided to go. > > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:20:19 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel on the wrong end-no archive Hey, I have to come down and visit you Oregoneans down south. My grandparents live in Medford... I could use some X-C time if it would just quit RAINING... -- Ross Linda & Paul Martin wrote: > > Having someone come to see your project can get you motivated. I've put > in more building time in the week since Oscar came to visit than I did in > the prior 2 months. Thanks for the kick-start Oscar. > > >questions- too many to remember. But especially to Paul Martin for > >letting me sit in his KR-2 at his garage (sorry to see you ruin a good > >KR by mounting the tailwheel on the wrong end, Paul), > > What?... the wheel goes on the back end? ;-) > > Paul M. > Ashland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:23:35 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page David Moore wrote: > > Can I stick my nose in here? What the heck is a defreeze gear? > If it's none of my business I'll back off, but I am curious. > > Dave Moore I would guess that defreeze gear is like delanding gear but deretract is kaput. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: VW Library This is an older post, but for you newbee KRNetters. Go take a gander at Bob Hoover's VW page. No not that BOB HOOVER, but a bright guy none the less when it comes to VDubs. A must visit sight for anyone new to building VW engines. He has built some aircraft VDubs too. A good place to gather a "real world" VW understanding. http://www.type2.com/sermons/ Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:32:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page At 10:23 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >David Moore wrote: >> >> Can I stick my nose in here? What the heck is a defreeze gear? >> If it's none of my business I'll back off, but I am curious. >> >> Dave Moore >I would guess that defreeze gear is like delanding gear but deretract >is kaput. > Actually I installed the anti-defreeze gear on my KR! (its welded down and the nose wheel is in the back where it belongs!) :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 23:11:44 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Web Page Move Well sports fans I think for the most part my web site has been moved to the Pacbell server. I changed the Netcom URL ( http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand ) so that it will point visitors in the right direction to get to the new URL. Here comes the part Ross likes, Ross can you remove mimsmand@ix.netcom.com from the krnet-l and add mikemims@pacbell.net ?? Thanks! I promise this will be the last move for a while! :-) PS Anyone who send email to me privately may want to update their address book to send email to mikemims@pacbell.net. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims \ / _\/\/_ ____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 All better now! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:33:21 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: VW Library Oh thank you Randy, I had a computer crash and lost Bob Hoover's address, I must admit I was to embarrassed to mention it but now you have saved my day. If anybody is new to KRnet they need to read Bob's interesting stories to really know VW's. Thanks again Randy Dave Moore At 01:38 AM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > >This is an older post, but for you newbee KRNetters. Go take a gander at Bob >Hoover's VW page. No not that BOB HOOVER, but a bright guy none the less >when it comes to VDubs. A must visit sight for anyone new to building VW >engines. He has built some aircraft VDubs too. > >A good place to gather a "real world" VW understanding. > >http://www.type2.com/sermons/ > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:23:43 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: juno.com (No Archive) >I have a whole SLEW of bounced messages to users at juno.com >If you are at juno.com, send me a message (not to KRNET) >and let me know you are OK. >I think that the juno.com mail system may have barfed. >-- Ross I wish they would just shut the service down. I get about ten junk emails _a day_ from that place on my AOL email address. I am all for people to be able to email freely in principle, but something really has to be done about junk emailers. The problem is becoming huge. Once you post on a message board or usenet, or godknowswhereelse, your mailbox is toast. This should not be the case. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:28:25 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Here goes - Clamps? >Troy Johnson wrote: >> >> Okay Gang, > >> Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you feel >> are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any specialty >> tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a dead >> horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a >> dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. >> I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely necessary, >> low budget building you know! >> >I bought a benchtop drill press at Home Depot for about $99 in 1988 at >Home Depot, possibly the one in Mesa just north of 360, or it could have >been the one near Chandler, I forget. The benchtop drill press was >terrific. > >Making gussets is a real pain, I did mine the hard way, I also bought a >benchtop table saw for about $99 at Home Depot.. I think I bought this >first >and cut all my 5/8" material with it. Fine tuning the gussets was a >PAIN, >so the miter saw might be a better choice, but I don't know what it >costs. > >Also, EVERY trip to Home Depot, buy about two "C" clamps. You will need >about 15-20 or so, and if you buy them all at once it is painfull. One >every two weekends and you will have enough by the time you join the >fuselage sides. > >I also picked up a couple of pipe clamps (3 total) these also came in >handy >for the fuselage joining, and somewhat during the spar build up. > >Ross Ross, (or others) What size C clamps for the above mentioned operations? What length pipe clamps? I am at the will-be-needing them stage for spars and fuselage. I can see where it would be painful to grab them all at once, $%! Thanks, Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:32:34 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page >At 10:23 PM 10/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >>David Moore wrote: >>> >>> Can I stick my nose in here? What the heck is a defreeze gear? >>> If it's none of my business I'll back off, but I am curious. >>> >>> Dave Moore >>I would guess that defreeze gear is like delanding gear but deretract >>is kaput. >> > >Actually I installed the anti-defreeze gear on my KR! (its welded down and >the nose wheel is in the back where it belongs!) :o) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand Yeah Mike, but if you were really smart, you would have used a tailwheel there instead of a nose wheel. (That'll teach you to dis them Nose Wheel users!) :/ Zounds! Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:02:39 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Plwood gussets. Wonder if anyone is/will be trying plywood gussets instead of cutting all those little blocks. Dan Diehl sorta suggested that in one of his talks. Sure would improve ones consitiution while involved in that stage of building. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:59:14 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Measurement Conversion Tables Available on my Web Page enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > Hi guys. > > I just finished updating my web site with a new page that has some nice > Conversion Tables on it. I wrote the stuff in JavaScript, so if you got > JavaScript disabled or are using a very old version of Netscape or IExplorer > (like version 2.0 and below), they won't work. > > I'm always trying to convert some measurement from one system or another, so I > whipped up these tables to help me out. > > Measurements: mm - inches - meters - feet - yards. > Temperatures: fahrenheit - celcius. > Volumes: liters - ounces - quarts - gallons. > Weights: kilograms - pounds. > > If you need to convert mesaurements like this, take a look and try them out. I > have them at: > http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/metric.htm > > You also might wish to take a peek at my home page located at: > http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/ > > Have fun. See y'all later. > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH > > PS: Mike Mimms - I'll update my link to your site when you get all settled into > the new server. Ed, Don't forget knots/miles per hour/kilometers or catenaries per KR :o) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 06:48:27 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Re: Them Prop bolts John, I had Columbia drill the heads specially for safety wire, otherwise it would be no problem.. -- Ross John Bouyea wrote: > > Won't Columbia exchange those bolts for you Ross? You'll just be out the > ime and shipping... > > bou > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - gluing the cross-members in the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon > > ---------- > > From: Ross > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Them Prop bolts > > Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 1:34 AM > > > > Well, the AN5-34 were too long, so I bought some AN5-33 and washers > > still too long. So I'm 92 miles away from home near the bolt place > > and decide to take a wild guess and buy some prop bolts. I guessed > > close AN5-31. Guess what... found out today these are too short! > > > > I can either buy some more washers or get some AN5-32. Hmmm. > > > > -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:23:36 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Plwood gussets. Ed Janssen wrote: > > Wonder if anyone is/will be trying plywood gussets instead of cutting all > those little blocks. Dan Diehl sorta suggested that in one of his talks. > Sure would improve ones consitiution while involved in that stage of building. > > Ed Janssen---------------------- I saw several planes at Perry that had plywood gussets. I would think that it would be easier but a little bit heavier. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Neil Bingham's KR I missed where the Neil Bingham article is posted. Anybody out there know where I could go to download a copy? Thanks, Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:13:29 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Here goes - Clamps? At 03:28 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >What size C clamps for the above mentioned operations? > Uhh......ones that will reach 3 inches plus the thickness of your table? ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: LVav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate Fly-in In a message dated 97-10-02 01:19:29 EDT, Ross wrote: << Hmmm... My mom would like to see me that weekend, perhaps I can swing a trip to Phoenix for the Copperstate... Hmmm....I'll check with management. >> Well I didn't think I could do it but I was able to get Saturday and Sunday the 11th and 12th off from work so I'll be there for the last two days. Ross, some of the KRNeters would like to see ya there too, just bring beer money! I haven't decided if I'm going to fly in in a spam can or drive yet but I'm going to be there. Anyone else going let's try to work out a place and time to meet. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com KR-2S 2% complete __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:20:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page At 03:32 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah Mike, but if you were really smart, you would have used a tailwheel >there instead of a nose wheel. > > >(That'll teach you to dis them Nose Wheel users!) > Your right , but then I couldn't land on the tundra! Isn't it ironic how last year at the Dragonfly Swarming a Tri-Gear Q or Dragon ran off the runway and broke itself and this year a Tri-Gear KR runs off the runway and bends pipe and breaks wood. Gee they are soooooo much safer than the tail wheel airplanes! :o) Seriously, if any of you have the slightest desire to build a tail wheel KR but haven't flown a tail-dragger, PLEASE don't hesitate to build it like you want! Tail-draggers ARE NOT hard to fly! Really!! I would like to choke the daylights out of the guy or GIRL who started that rumor! :o) ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #110 *****************************