From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:03 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n118' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #118 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:14:20 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: cleveland vs matco >What is the brake of choice, Cleveland or brakes. I think Clevelands are, but with the 11 x 4.00-5 "Lamb" tires, not the much larger 5.00 -5 Air Tracs. I bought a set of Air Tracs days before the recent KRNet thread on the subject, and went ahead and mounted them, under the assumption that I would need them landing on my father's sod strip. They looked like TUNDRA tires on there! Well, at least I have Christmas presents for my brother's C-172 now. By the way, I wondered why anybody would want to pay extra for heavier aluminum wheels than magnesium, and the VOP (voice on the phone) said corrosion was a serious problem for the magnesium version, hence, the cheaper price. When mounting to the Diehl gear, I did a little creative clearancing to the axle attach brackets so that mine are mounted at 8:00. I'll do a web page on it soon... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: David Batton > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: brakes > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:33 AM > > I am about to purchase the brakes for my suggestions and need > suggestions. What is the brake of choice, Cleveland or brakes. I must > admit that I have no idea as to their difference other than price. What > has everyone else used and how have they worked for you. Thanks. > > David > Batton > > p.s. I will be using the Diehl fixed gear if that is of any help. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:10:23 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: brakes On Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:43:24 -0400 David Batton writes: >I am about to purchase the brakes for my suggestions and need >suggestions. What is the brake of choice, Cleveland or brakes. I must >admit that I have no idea as to their difference other than price. What >has everyone else used and how have they worked for you. Thanks. >p.s. I will be using the Diehl fixed gear if that is of any help. > - ------Cooking comments deleted :o) ----------- > What I meant to ask is what is the >difference in Matco as compared to Cleveland. I need input on this for I >am about to purchase on of them for my KR2. > > David "I cant type and cook >at the same time" Batton > > You will see both Cleveland and Matco brakes on the KRs. In my opinion, the Clevelands l look sharper and are a very simple design, but they also cost more for the initial purchase. When I mounted the Clevelands on my project, I found that both wheels were machined incorrectly causing the brake disks to wobble. Even though they were 4 years old and were purchased by the gentleman that started my project, Cleveland replaced them at no charge. Even paid the freight both ways. They only wanted to verify that I hadn't flown with these brakes. My past experience with Clevelands is that they are trouble free, and I rarely needed to replace pads. Even at that, the pads are very inexpensive. Typically 6 or 7 bucks per pad. The Matco brakes appear to be a little bulkier in size, but are also a simple, functional design. If I understand correctly, the replacement linings for the Matco brakes are either the same or very similar in size and price to the Clevelands. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will jump in and correct me. For me, I prefer the cleaner design and my long experience with the Cleveland brakes. I find them to be very smooth brakes that I use hard when needed without worrying about brake fade. They also have a good feel so I can brake heavily without worrying about dumping the plane over on it's nose. I haven't flown with Matco wheels, so I can't draw a comparison for you, but I'm sure others on here have used them and probably give them high ratings as well. From the catalogs, it looks like the price difference is in the neighborhood of $100. Happy brake shopping, - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:20:24 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: JMW update Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca Web Page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/index.shtml KR page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml The fusilage is finished for this stage of the project. Primed for the outdoors and about to be moved, sans wings, to the airport for taxi tests to see what cracks develope. I didn't get any replies to my querie about the exhaust pipe placement and its effects on the fibreglass, so I just put a bulge in the lower cowel to compensate. Pictures on my Web site will have to wait until I start the move: somtime this Saturday. (News at 11) - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:21:53 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: in err Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca Web Page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/index.shtml KR page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml Yes. I know I can't spell. Fuselage, right? - - Cary - :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:00:52 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: FAA & Inspections On Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:16:57 -0700 Tom Brown writes: >When it came to inspection time, the >> DAR never even looked at the photo album. >> >> ------- >> Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >> jscott.pilot@juno.com >> See N1213W construction and first flight at >> http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >> //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > >Jeff > >Did he look at the builders log and if he did what was he looking for? > He only looked at the airplane and the paperwork. He saw that the builders logs and photo album were on the bench, but never mentioned them. He also wanted a drawing and or photo of the plane to send to the FAA to keep with the plane's records. I use the builder's logs like the photo album. Mostly as a reference manual to remind me of how I did certain things. Your mileage may vary.... Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:38:39 -0500 From: Mark Pierce Subject: Re: KR: EAA Snobbery For my two cents worth, we're lucky that we have at least 3 separate EAA chapters in the Kansas City area, each with their own perspective. One is high rollers, another is mid-range, and the third is grass roots Chief, Champs, and hangar talk home builders. Something for everyone. I haven't attended any meetings for years but I know that these groups take the direction of their most active handful of members. I recall an instance where just two people came in and, within 6 months, completely altered the tone and interest of the organization. I'm no EAA advocate and not even active any more but would hate to see someone give up on "making" you're local chapter what you want it to be. It takes a lot of energy but can be very rewarding and you could make lots of airplane friends. Jump in there and mix it up a little. Gee, does this sound like one of those "positive thinking" seminars ? Thanks, Mark Pierce (future KR2s builder) markpi@oz.sunflower.org The Dawn Patrol BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-07 18:32:07 EDT, Rob wrote: > > << Just a few rants. Anyone else suffering from the malaise of Idiot Plane > Snobs get thee to Perry next year, it will restore you. ;) >> > > Rob: > > I suspected your problems with the snobs over a year ago. This was based on > some of your early comments. Sorry you had the problems, but glad you have > seen the light. > > I joined my chapter and almost dropped out for the same reasons. Early on, I > saw two KR types chastized, never to return. But as usual, I decided to > rebel (imagine that!). Long story short, I became the chapter prez and have > tried to turn the acid off and draw from the new member pool of excitement. > It seems to be working. We have a larger variety of projects now and the > slugs have retreated back under their respective rocks. I stand ready to > stomp 'em if they every show their slimy sides around our chapter again. We > have some pretty cool members too. One in particular who brings his Hughes > 500 to our Young Eagle events to give rides with! Another one brought a Twin > Otter from her work to give YE rides. Imagine a corporate Otter, with > uniform crew, loading 25 kids at a time for their first airplane ride! > Airplane people can be the greatest. > > My advice, as others have posted - shop around to find the EAA "Community" > that suits you. Just like your own neighborhood ya gonna have many > flavors...The EAA is no different. Instead of the organization using me, I > use it: info, info, info. I'll take the knowledge from anyone who has it or > anyplace I can find it. I try to leave every experience with another nugget > of knowledge/information. Airplane building is a journey. Enjoy the trip as > much (if not more) than the destination. > > KR Builders, and KRNetters in particular, are wonderful folks. The Friday > night BBQ/Fish Fry proved that beyond a doubt. KRNet is the place for the > exchange of info, ideas and to toss out questions of all types. You will be > hard pressed to find a better family to belong to. > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, cA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:51:01 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: beefing the spar Mark Langford wrote: > > I've heard people suggest using carbon fiber on the spars somehow, but a > stress analyst at work worries about the significant property differences > causing the two to separate prematurely. Actually Its the huge difference in modulus of elasticity thats the problem. Carbon/epoxy is MUCH stiffer than spruce so it will pick up all the load. It's like putting a matchstick next to a marshmellow and pressing on both at the same time. The match will take the load till it breaks then the marshmellow will get it. (it's a crude analogy I know). So to use carbon you'd need to put in enough to take basically the whole load. The spruce will only stabilize it but it wont help it much. Then there's the thermal expansion difference etc. It's best to leave that method to models (In which case the carbon DOES take nearly all the load and the original spar stabilizes it. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:50:21 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Wayland T. Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: EAA Snobbery Randy I know this is off subject but did you remember to correct my name in your data base. Tom Stokes in Reno NV On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:19:17 -0400 (EDT) BSHADR@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-10-07 18:32:07 EDT, Rob wrote: > ><< Just a few rants. Anyone else suffering from the malaise of Idiot >Plane > Snobs get thee to Perry next year, it will restore you. ;) >> > >Rob: > >I suspected your problems with the snobs over a year ago. This was >based on >some of your early comments. Sorry you had the problems, but glad you >have >seen the light. > >I joined my chapter and almost dropped out for the same reasons. >Early on, I >saw two KR types chastized, never to return. But as usual, I decided >to >rebel (imagine that!). Long story short, I became the chapter prez >and have >tried to turn the acid off and draw from the new member pool of >excitement. > It seems to be working. We have a larger variety of projects now and >the >slugs have retreated back under their respective rocks. I stand ready >to >stomp 'em if they every show their slimy sides around our chapter >again. We >have some pretty cool members too. One in particular who brings his >Hughes >500 to our Young Eagle events to give rides with! Another one brought >a Twin >Otter from her work to give YE rides. Imagine a corporate Otter, with >uniform crew, loading 25 kids at a time for their first airplane ride! > Airplane people can be the greatest. > >My advice, as others have posted - shop around to find the EAA >"Community" >that suits you. Just like your own neighborhood ya gonna have many >flavors...The EAA is no different. Instead of the organization using >me, I >use it: info, info, info. I'll take the knowledge from anyone who >has it or >anyplace I can find it. I try to leave every experience with another >nugget >of knowledge/information. Airplane building is a journey. Enjoy the >trip as >much (if not more) than the destination. > >KR Builders, and KRNetters in particular, are wonderful folks. The >Friday >night BBQ/Fish Fry proved that beyond a doubt. KRNet is the place for >the >exchange of info, ideas and to toss out questions of all types. You >will be >hard pressed to find a better family to belong to. > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, cA > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:10:34 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: Some good news on the gross weight issue. hi gang, I've just had some luck on the gros weight issue. While talking about it with some work mates at lunch I found someone with an OLD edition of Bruhn (for the non engineer types Bruhn is the bible of aircraft structural analysis). In fact its a 1949 edition so it still had the section on wood spar design/analysis. The good news bit is that the forrest products lab had done extensive testing on exactly our type of box spar for spruce. There are different allowables for the spruce in spars based on some shape factors of the spar caps and webs. The values are stronger than test specimens in pure compression (due to the nonlinearity of wood at failure depending somewhat on the shape) FOR THE KR-2 SPAR the allowables for ultimate compressive rupture are 6670 PSI and for the elastic limit is 4900 PSI. Not counting any contribution from the rear spar that gives the following limits. For 5.7 g ultimate (FAR 23 for normal catagory) the gross weight allowable is 1035 lbs (plus the weight of the wings) for My KR with 100 lbs of wing the gross weight should not exceed 1135 lbs. (ultimate is the driving factor here...limit load works out to 4.2 g) So I plan to use 1100 lbs as my gross weight, leave my spar stock and I'll feel good about it. (I trust Bruhn implicity!) I'll write again with an appropriate set of V-N diagram data soon based on that gross weight and strength. - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:20:50 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: kitplanes website Ross I hate to bring info that people might already know. But I didn't see anyone mentioning that Kitplanes has a website up and running. www.kitplanes.com John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:29:14 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Question on templates Is there a easy way to make a template of the underside of the front deck? I'm going to be making the header tank front/back walls John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:16:47 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft KR-2's & Specialty/Plywood Robert Covington wrote: > > > Does anybody know whether it will matter for the firewall if I get domestic > 1/4 inch birch for the firewall or if I get the Finnish Birch? The domestic > is $124 for a 4x4 foot sheet! The Finnish is about $40 I think. > > Robert Covington------------------------ Robert: Which one has the most layers of veneer or plys?? If you have a choice pick the one with the most layers of veneer. Either way I am sure the Finnish 1/4 inch will work fine. I used the finnish. I did not know there was such a difference in price for the 1/4 inch ply. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:20:25 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Sport Aviation - ----------------------- Just a quick glance through the latest Sport aviation and I counted 14 pictures of Glasairs and 14 pictures of Lancairs and two pictures of KRs. One of the pictures of the KR was Rand's ad. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:24:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: major milestone At 09:45 PM 10/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >KRNetHeads, > >Well, like Tom, my boat has wheels now. Mark, I just downloaded your pics and increased the size a little. I have been drooling over them for the past 30 minutes! It looks fantastic! Great job dude! Your post and pictures motivated me just a little. I was gona blow off going to the garage tonight but after your post I was out the door in a flash! I managed to glue in all the ply ribs on the right stub wing and start on the new horizontal tips. Thanks for the kick in the butt! Did you ever find anything wrong with the way the outer wings were bolted to the stub on the turbine KR1.5? I am still considering it,..are you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 9:30:55 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: KR: Windshield Mat Hi Guys Been off the KRNet for a while, but I was also busy with making the frames for Gull wing doors and windshield. I am getting ready to install the windshield. Can someone give me an indication of windshield and door window material type and thickness? The windshield if flat wrap and the door windows will need a little forming. Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 01:14:26 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Re:EAA Snobbery Robert, You should have been around when I was building my hang-glider back in '73, you talk about doom sayers. But it did fly and it flew very well. It's funny, when you are done, they all will come by and saywhat a nice a job you did, but when your in the building stage (ugly duckling) everybody is a critic with an oppinion. Just keep building at your own speed and to heck with them. "If your here to help, shut up and help" Dave Moore At 03:29 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > You can have someone from the EAA check it out if >>you like, I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter >>and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA members >>around here hasnt been all that positive, we have a problem with "homebuilt >>snobs" that's is to say, if you are not building a Glasair, RV, or Lancair >>4P then you are nothing more than a piece of scum building a toy that will >>surely kill you. Ask Robert Covington, he has to deal with it every time he >>tries to work on his project. >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims >>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> >> \ / >> _\/\/_ >> ____/_//\\_\_____ >> >> F-117 >> All better now! > >As part of the inspiration for this EAA thread, courtesy of Mike, I >thought I would add my two bits here.. > >I don't mind that some people think that the KR is not a good plane to >build, they can have their opinions, but the problem was that these people >got me right when my enthusiasm and confidence was highest - when I was >just starting, and the "dream" was coming alive after all that planning and >thinking about building. > >They attacked me for using particle board on my table ("That stuff will >curl like paper this winter") and two years later it was still flat as it >was when I installed it. One of said idiots told me he didn't want me to >build a KR because he "didn't want me to crash". Another (RV Builders all) >told me , if it is such a great plane "why don't you ever see any at the >airshows around here" > >Well I think that is because they are all out in the Midwest ;) > >Anyway, the problem is that they really made me not want to show up at the >hangar, which is a space I rent at out local EAA facility. The particle >board complainer told me I has a sh*tty attitude just because I disagreed >with him. That hurt because I care what people think about me. This guy is >obviously a weenie though, and I am not insulting him to say that. >Actually I think he told me this because I wrote an article in the >newletter that facetiously made a few rules for builders of which follows a >sample: #3. "Don't Critique Anything Until I Am Done." > >This Followed by #4. "You Don't Know What Done Is." > > > > > >Anyway, my particle board is all uprooted now, and I have installed plywood >recently, because I need total dimensional stability once I start boating >and I finally had the money to get the good stuff. > >I honestly think I would be almost as far along as Mike Mims if I hadn't >have had those few people put a hurting on my motivation and spirit in the >beginning stages. But Mike is Speed Racer. ;) > >I know this from being an artist, and I think it applies to an airplane >building project...keep things close to your heart until they get >"hatched", once you have it going, then let people know what you are doing >if you want, otherwise let them see it once it flies...(inspections from >qualified people aside) > >My own chapter is so cheap that a lot of the older members wanted to quit >when we raised the dues for couples from $10 to $12 a couple years back! >That's per _couple_ with one being an associate member. Then when we raised >the single member's dues from $6 to $10 to cover real expenses, like the >newsletter, they voted to rescind that because of a contrived "bylaws" >violation. But it was reinstated later once the fogies were appeased. One >guy then joined our chapter, because in his words "I don't figure any >organization is worth joining if its dues are less than $10!" > >Anyway, the only thing that bothers me now is that when I _do_ show up to >work, everybody feels they have to point out that I haven't shown up to >work on it for a while. This make me feel like not showing up more. :) It >would be more motivating for them to ask about some future part of the >project coming up than to point out how far I have to go. I don't need to >be guilted for not working on my project everytime I show up. Whose >timetable am I on anyway? > >Just a few rants. Anyone else suffering from the malaise of Idiot Plane >Snobs get thee to Perry next year, it will restore you. ;) > > >Robert Covington > > > > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:21:45 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft KR-2's & Specialty/Plywood >Robert Covington wrote: >> >> >> Does anybody know whether it will matter for the firewall if I get domestic >> 1/4 inch birch for the firewall or if I get the Finnish Birch? The domestic >> is $124 for a 4x4 foot sheet! The Finnish is about $40 I think. >> >> Robert Covington------------------------ > >Robert: > Which one has the most layers of veneer or plys?? If you have a >choice pick the one with the most layers of veneer. Either way I am >sure the Finnish 1/4 inch will work fine. I used the finnish. I did >not know there was such a difference in price for the 1/4 inch ply. > >Marvin McCoy >Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field >Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net >--------------------- Well, if you price the stuf via the square foot price they have listed, it comes out to about $95. But if they type in the item number, it is $124 I think. I think they are both 5 ply. I haven't had enough sleep; I need to verify all this price wise. The 4x8 sheet of the same in domestic is 199.00, so I don't understand their pricing for the 4x4 ft. I will probablly get the Finnish when I need to do the firewall. Thanks for the reply Marvin. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:26:11 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re:EAA Snobbery Thanks for the comments Dave. I am beyond worrying about what they think at this point generally, which is good. I do still wish some people in the chapter would not make it a point to notice that I actually _am_ working on it! Guess you got the hang of your glider, eh? (couldn't resist) Robert >Robert, >You should have been around when I was building my hang-glider back in '73, >you talk about doom sayers. But it did fly and it flew very well. It's >funny, when you are done, they all will come by and saywhat a nice a job >you did, but when your in the building stage (ugly duckling) everybody is a >critic with an oppinion. >Just keep building at your own speed and to heck with them. > >"If your here to help, shut up and help" > >Dave Moore > > >At 03:29 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> You can have someone from the EAA check it out if >>>you like, I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter >>>and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA members >>>around here hasnt been all that positive, we have a problem with "homebuilt >>>snobs" that's is to say, if you are not building a Glasair, RV, or Lancair >>>4P then you are nothing more than a piece of scum building a toy that will >>>surely kill you. Ask Robert Covington, he has to deal with it every time he >>>tries to work on his project. >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>Micheal Mims >>>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >>>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >>> >>> \ / >>> _\/\/_ >>> ____/_//\\_\_____ >>> >>> F-117 >>> All better now! >> >>As part of the inspiration for this EAA thread, courtesy of Mike, I >>thought I would add my two bits here.. >> >>I don't mind that some people think that the KR is not a good plane to >>build, they can have their opinions, but the problem was that these people >>got me right when my enthusiasm and confidence was highest - when I was >>just starting, and the "dream" was coming alive after all that planning and >>thinking about building. >> >>They attacked me for using particle board on my table ("That stuff will >>curl like paper this winter") and two years later it was still flat as it >>was when I installed it. One of said idiots told me he didn't want me to >>build a KR because he "didn't want me to crash". Another (RV Builders all) >>told me , if it is such a great plane "why don't you ever see any at the >>airshows around here" >> >>Well I think that is because they are all out in the Midwest ;) >> >>Anyway, the problem is that they really made me not want to show up at the >>hangar, which is a space I rent at out local EAA facility. The particle >>board complainer told me I has a sh*tty attitude just because I disagreed >>with him. That hurt because I care what people think about me. This guy is >>obviously a weenie though, and I am not insulting him to say that. >>Actually I think he told me this because I wrote an article in the >>newletter that facetiously made a few rules for builders of which follows a >>sample: #3. "Don't Critique Anything Until I Am Done." >> >>This Followed by #4. "You Don't Know What Done Is." >> >> >> >> >> >>Anyway, my particle board is all uprooted now, and I have installed plywood >>recently, because I need total dimensional stability once I start boating >>and I finally had the money to get the good stuff. >> >>I honestly think I would be almost as far along as Mike Mims if I hadn't >>have had those few people put a hurting on my motivation and spirit in the >>beginning stages. But Mike is Speed Racer. ;) >> >>I know this from being an artist, and I think it applies to an airplane >>building project...keep things close to your heart until they get >>"hatched", once you have it going, then let people know what you are doing >>if you want, otherwise let them see it once it flies...(inspections from >>qualified people aside) >> >>My own chapter is so cheap that a lot of the older members wanted to quit >>when we raised the dues for couples from $10 to $12 a couple years back! >>That's per _couple_ with one being an associate member. Then when we raised >>the single member's dues from $6 to $10 to cover real expenses, like the >>newsletter, they voted to rescind that because of a contrived "bylaws" >>violation. But it was reinstated later once the fogies were appeased. One >>guy then joined our chapter, because in his words "I don't figure any >>organization is worth joining if its dues are less than $10!" >> >>Anyway, the only thing that bothers me now is that when I _do_ show up to >>work, everybody feels they have to point out that I haven't shown up to >>work on it for a while. This make me feel like not showing up more. :) It >>would be more motivating for them to ask about some future part of the >>project coming up than to point out how far I have to go. I don't need to >>be guilted for not working on my project everytime I show up. Whose >>timetable am I on anyway? >> >>Just a few rants. Anyone else suffering from the malaise of Idiot Plane >>Snobs get thee to Perry next year, it will restore you. ;) >> >> >>Robert Covington >> >> >> >> >> >> > > David Moore > Turnkey1@MSComm.Com > Hesperia, Calif. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:29:55 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re:EAA Snobbery >I wish you were not in the States. Out here, in this country, you could just >punch them in the nose without getting sued for it; mano a mano. I guess >it's not >good policy, to go around punching people; after all that's not what this >is all >about. I agree with you on the keeping it close to your heart part, but your >greatest reward will come when you finish your KR, and go out flying at >180 mph >past them expensive planes, mushing along close to stall, overloaded with >their >full panels and other geriatric aids, trying to find the way home in 5 mile >visibilities. Besides building and flying your own plane, what can be more >rewarding than that? Don't give up yet Bob. After all, you are not >building your >KR to please them; you're doing it to fulfill your dream, remember? keep it up >buddy, and happy building. > >Antonio "Make planes, Not war" Mendes Pereira >EAA 390052 >Portugal > > >Crop duster and the last of the big spenders (I suppose...). I pay my dues >every >year to read 6 issues of Sport Aviation talking about the next big >Oshkosh, and >than, read 6 issues talking about how good it was. To get some taste of >nuts and >wrenches, I have to pay extra for the Experimenter. Heck, they don't have >separate subscriptions... I don't understand the political issues (They're >American, you know, they don't mean much to me here at home, and I don't >know the >people in the obituaries, but I get to read the ads and find a few fax # >and net >addresses ;-)> ) > > Antonio, (and others) Thanks for the response, and the suggestion to beat them up . I appreciate your comments. They can't whoop me now, I have Perry "Yay!" in my blood, and they won't water it down. :) (hey, I am groaning too) KR Net, The International List. Cool, Robert Covington > >Robert Covington wrote: > >> You can have someone from the EAA check it out if >> >you like, I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter >> >and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA members >> >around here hasnt been all that positive, we have a problem with >>"homebuilt >> >snobs" that's is to say, if you are not building a Glasair, RV, or Lancair >> >4P then you are nothing more than a piece of scum building a toy that will >> >surely kill you. Ask Robert Covington, he has to deal with it every >>time he >> >tries to work on his project. >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >Micheal Mims >> >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >> >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >> >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> > >> > \ / >> > _\/\/_ >> > ____/_//\\_\_____ >> > >> > F-117 >> > All better now! >> >> As part of the inspiration for this EAA thread, courtesy of Mike, I >> thought I would add my two bits here.. >> >> I don't mind that some people think that the KR is not a good plane to >> build, they can have their opinions, but the problem was that these people >> got me right when my enthusiasm and confidence was highest - when I was >> just starting, and the "dream" was coming alive after all that planning and >> thinking about building. >> >> They attacked me for using particle board on my table ("That stuff will >> curl like paper this winter") and two years later it was still flat as it >> was when I installed it. One of said idiots told me he didn't want me to >> build a KR because he "didn't want me to crash". Another (RV Builders all) >> told me , if it is such a great plane "why don't you ever see any at the >> airshows around here" >> >> Well I think that is because they are all out in the Midwest ;) >> >> Anyway, the problem is that they really made me not want to show up at the >> hangar, which is a space I rent at out local EAA facility. The particle >> board complainer told me I has a sh*tty attitude just because I disagreed >> with him. That hurt because I care what people think about me. This guy is >> obviously a weenie though, and I am not insulting him to say that. >> Actually I think he told me this because I wrote an article in the >> newletter that facetiously made a few rules for builders of which follows a >> sample: #3. "Don't Critique Anything Until I Am Done." >> >> This Followed by #4. "You Don't Know What Done Is." >> >> >> >> Anyway, my particle board is all uprooted now, and I have installed plywood >> recently, because I need total dimensional stability once I start boating >> and I finally had the money to get the good stuff. >> >> I honestly think I would be almost as far along as Mike Mims if I hadn't >> have had those few people put a hurting on my motivation and spirit in the >> beginning stages. But Mike is Speed Racer. ;) >> >> I know this from being an artist, and I think it applies to an airplane >> building project...keep things close to your heart until they get >> "hatched", once you have it going, then let people know what you are doing >> if you want, otherwise let them see it once it flies...(inspections from >> qualified people aside) >> >> My own chapter is so cheap that a lot of the older members wanted to quit >> when we raised the dues for couples from $10 to $12 a couple years back! >> That's per _couple_ with one being an associate member. Then when we raised >> the single member's dues from $6 to $10 to cover real expenses, like the >> newsletter, they voted to rescind that because of a contrived "bylaws" >> violation. But it was reinstated later once the fogies were appeased. One >> guy then joined our chapter, because in his words "I don't figure any >> organization is worth joining if its dues are less than $10!" >> >> Anyway, the only thing that bothers me now is that when I _do_ show up to >> work, everybody feels they have to point out that I haven't shown up to >> work on it for a while. This make me feel like not showing up more. :) It >> would be more motivating for them to ask about some future part of the >> project coming up than to point out how far I have to go. I don't need to >> be guilted for not working on my project everytime I show up. Whose >> timetable am I on anyway? >> >> Just a few rants. Anyone else suffering from the malaise of Idiot Plane >> Snobs get thee to Perry next year, it will restore you. ;) >> >> Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:08:38 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: VW Type 4 engine Hey folks, I just acquired a type-4 VW engine a guy had overhauled and semi-converted for use on a KR-2, but I have a couple of questions about it. It's on a standard Diehl-type motor mount on the firewall and has a prop hub (and 52x48 prop). It has standard auto spark plugs in it, has the oil system converted OK, but has no ignition system what-so-ever on it. At the back of the engine, where the magneto would be, is a pointed end. It has a new everything inside it (pistons, cylinders, crank, etc.). There is no intake or exhaust system. Do you have any thoughts about getting the rest of the parts for this beast? I think getting parts for the type 4 is difficult, isn't it? Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:20:23 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Re:EAA Snobbery >>wrenches, I have to pay extra for the Experimenter. Heck, they don't have >>separate subscriptions... I don't understand the political issues Robert, If there is an EAA affiliated ultralight chapter near you, I think you can get just the Experimenter magazine without being a EAA national member. You have to join EAA only if you wish to become an officer of an ultralight chapter. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 06:54:14 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: major milestone >>Well, like Tom, my boat has wheels now. > >Mark, I just downloaded your pics and increased the size a little. I have >been drooling over them for the past 30 minutes! It looks fantastic! Great >job dude! > >Your post and pictures motivated me just a little. I was gona blow off >going to the garage tonight but after your post I was out the door in a >flash! I managed to glue in all the ply ribs on the right stub wing and >start on the new horizontal tips. Thanks for the kick in the butt! > >Did you ever find anything wrong with the way the outer wings were bolted to >the stub on the turbine KR1.5? I am still considering it,..are you? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Michael, I am seeing in you the classic initial signs of "homebuilder burn-outitis". If you continue at this pace, you will begin to experience headaches, muscle pains, possible paranoid delusions and other complications. At this stage, you can solve the problem without expensive medical and pschological treatment. I suggest two weeks AWAY from working on the plane. Go out and walk on the beach, take hikes in the mountains, do things with the wife, etc. Save yourself before it is too late. Ron "Dr Psychobabble" Lee ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #118 *****************************