From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:04 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n119' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #119 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 119 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:50:39 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: KR-2 Accident In checking the AVWeb I see listed a fatal KR-2 acccident, 9-21-97, Greenwood, SC, Culp KR-2, N9079E (built 1996?). Pilot not listed. Anyone know the particulars? Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:55:41 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: VW Type 4 engine Ed, Call Steve Bennett. Ed Janssen At 05:08 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey folks, I just acquired a type-4 VW engine a guy had overhauled and >semi-converted for use on a KR-2, but I have a couple of questions about it. > >It's on a standard Diehl-type motor mount on the firewall and has a prop hub >(and 52x48 prop). It has standard auto spark plugs in it, has the oil system >converted OK, but has no ignition system what-so-ever on it. At the back of the >engine, where the magneto would be, is a pointed end. It has a new everything >inside it (pistons, cylinders, crank, etc.). There is no intake or exhaust >system. > >Do you have any thoughts about getting the rest of the parts for this beast? I >think getting parts for the type 4 is difficult, isn't it? > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:43:54 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft KR-2's & Specialty/Plywood Robert Covington wrote: > > I called Jeannette while I was there because I was unsure of what I should > get exactly. When I asked whether I should get the 90 degree or the 45 > degree, she says" Oh, I don't know...whichever is cheaper. We get the > cheaper stuff.":) The fuselage does not need the extra shear strength that 45 degree plywood would give it. The 90 degree is just fine. > Does anybody know whether it will matter for the firewall if I get domestic > 1/4 inch birch for the firewall or if I get the Finnish Birch? The domestic > is $124 for a 4x4 foot sheet! The Finnish is about $40 I think. > > Robert Covington I used the Finnish. I think it is just as good, it just does not have the pedigree paperwork to go with it. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:45:14 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Windshield Mat steveb@aviation.denel.co.za wrote: > > Hi Guys > Been off the KRNet for a while, but I was also busy with making the frames for Gull wing doors and windshield. I am getting ready to install the windshield. > Can someone give me an indication of windshield and door window material type and thickness? The windshield if flat wrap and the door windows will need a litt > > Steve in South Africa > steveb@aviation.denel.co.za The Dragonfly canopy is 3/16" thick and the Rand version is 1/4" (I think). Something in that range should be fine. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:49:32 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: New web Page - Finally I want to thank the people that offered words of wisdom and advise. My site still has a few minor bugs like

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, but I will get those soon. I still haven't added many pictures but more will be going in. I am still getting the feal for my scanner. Please drop in. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:25:28 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally Nice page Don, ready for engine yet? Got one? 3 words: SUE BAR ROO that line didn't go over well at the gathering either. John - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net / www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: New web Page - Finally > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 9:49 AM > > I want to thank the people that offered words of wisdom and advise. My > site still has a few minor bugs like

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, but I will get > those soon. > > I still haven't added many pictures but more will be going in. I am > still getting the feal for my scanner. > > Please drop in. > -- > Don Reid > Bumpass, Va > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:30:45 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft KR-2's & Specialty/Plywood I bought my wood kit from Wicks forever ago (actually '91); my 1/4 ply is marked "Finn." It is an unbelievable -10- that is ten plies! John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - fitting gussets in the belly Hillsboro, Oregon > >> Does anybody know whether it will matter for the firewall if I get domestic > >> 1/4 inch birch for the firewall or if I get the Finnish Birch? The domestic > >> is $124 for a 4x4 foot sheet! The Finnish is about $40 I think. > >> > >> Robert Covington------------------------ snip snip > I think they are both 5 ply. I haven't had enough sleep; I need to verify > all this price wise. The 4x8 sheet of the same in domestic is 199.00, so I > don't understand their pricing for the 4x4 ft. I will probablly get the > Finnish when I need to do the firewall. > Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:02:39 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Getting plans! Hi, Netters- Well, it looks like I may be getting a set of KR-2 plans, thanks to a post here a week or two ago about some for sale. I'm stoked! : ^ ) Gotta go to work now, but I have some comments re: cheap GPS units. Also- I got some info in the snail mail last night on Ross planetary redrives. My inclination is toward the belt drives, but I'm still investigating. There are some cool stories and photos in the stuff I got from Ross. Hey, you people in warmer climes: we got our first snowfall of this season yesterday, up on the mountains around us. I hear my skis calling me from out in the garage. (How about you and Linda, Paul- are you gonna get out and play in it, or keep working on your fuel tank?) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:08:19 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Ed Janssen wrote: > > In checking the AVWeb I see listed a fatal KR-2 acccident, 9-21-97, > Greenwood, SC, Culp KR-2, N9079E (built 1996?). Pilot not listed. Anyone > know the particulars? > > Ed Janssen NTSB Identification: ATL97LA137 Accident occurred SEP-21-97 at GREENWOOD, SC Aircraft: JOHN W. CULP KR-2, registration: N9097E Injuries: 1 Fatal. On September 21, 1997, at 0930 eastern daylight time, a John W. Culp, KR-2, an experimental airplane, N9079E, collided with the ground about 1/4 mile northeast of the Greenwood County Airport in Greenwood, South Carolina. The personal flight operated under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 with no flight plan filed. Visual weather conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The airplane was destroyed, and the pilot received fatal injuries. The flight's exact departure time from Greenwood was not determined. The circumstances about the accident are unknown. However, on September 22, 1997, the employees at the airplane owner's business became concerned when he did not arrive at work. After a ground search for the pilot and airplane, at the airport and surrounding area, the airplane wreckage and pilot were located 1/4 mile northeast of the airport. There were no eyewitnesses to the accident, but the airplane was believed to have been seen flying near the airport on the morning of the accident. - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:19:03 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Windshield Mat At 09:30 AM 10/8/97, you wrote: >Hi Guys >Been off the KRNet for a while, but I was also busy with making the frames for Gull wing doors and windshield. I am getting ready to install the windshield. >Can someone give me an indication of windshield and door window material type and thickness? The windshield if flat wrap and the door windows will need a little forming. > I made my windshield from 1/8 plexi, it is flat wrapped with an extra "brace" in the center. (Sorta like the Piper Cherokee) My windshield is a copy of Troy Petteway's ,.. the center brace was a recommendation of Troy's. It seems at high speeds the windshield starts to buzz in the center and he said it was kind of annoying. My side windows were made from cutting a KR2 canopy(1/8 inch thick) in half. The price was right on the canopy ($180) so I elected to go that route. I don't think I could have made one without spending the same amount on ruined plexi-glass! :o) ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:27:25 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Type 4 engine At 05:08 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Do you have any thoughts about getting the rest of the parts for this beast? I >think getting parts for the type 4 is difficult, isn't it? > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > NO you will never find parts for it so you might as well pack it up and ship it to me! :o) Sounds like you have all the parts! Anything else that you need you should be able to get from Steve at GPASC. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:31:54 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: major milestone At 06:54 AM 10/8/97, you wrote: >Michael, I am seeing in you the classic initial signs of "homebuilder >burn-outitis". If you continue at this pace, you will begin to experience >headaches, muscle pains, possible paranoid delusions and other complications. > >At this stage, you can solve the problem without expensive medical and >pschological treatment. I suggest two weeks AWAY from working on the plane. > Actually I was suffering from something but it aint burn-out-ious! I have had the stomach flu for about five days and my garage doesn't have a bathroom! Needless to say it was hard to work on the beast for more than an hour without concern! (Closest restroom was over 500 yards away) But I feel better now and plan to wet out lots of glass tonight! Mike "highly motivated, extremely dedicated" Mims ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:34:35 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft KR-2's & Specialty/Plywood At 08:43 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Does anybody know whether it will matter for the firewall if I get domestic >> 1/4 inch birch for the firewall or if I get the Finnish Birch? The domestic >> is $124 for a 4x4 foot sheet! The Finnish is about $40 I think. >> >> Robert Covington > >I used the Finnish. I think it is just as good, it just does not have the >pedigree paperwork to go with it. > >-- Well keeping inline with the local snobs I used 100% american made, aircraft grade, domestic plywood! Robert they sold me a piece a little smaller than 4x4, maybe ask them if they will cut it down? Of course you aint me and AS&S likes me! :o) ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:38:28 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally At 07:25 AM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >Nice page Don, ready for engine yet? Got one? >3 words: SUE BAR ROO >that line didn't go over well at the gathering either. You mean BO_AT_ANC_HOR! :o) Did you get rid of that dang redrive yet? Seriously you should get in touch with Roger Enns up in Canada about his direct drive turbo! Mike "Redrives are for boats" Mims ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:15:27 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: split flaps Does anyone know the relative advantages/disadvantages of split flaps versus the RR plans slotted flaps? I would expect that the drag on split flaps would be greater. How much would split flaps affect the stall speed? Installation seems easier on split flaps. Split flaps are as of yet unproven. I'm a chicken test pilot. Is it too risky to just try them? Is anyone aware of any serious disadvantages of split flaps? Bob Smith, KR2S Albany, NY "out front, breaking wind" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:38:17 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Testing, testing G'Day All Is it working for me yet ?? Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:45:17 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: story no archive Thought you might enjoy this one: Last week the barometric pressure nearly set a low record here. Hours later I went flying. Prior to takeoff, as usual, I tweaked the altimeter to field altitude. Climbed to 3000 to do some stalls, etc. Looked down and thought the ground was closer than usual - but oh well keep on practicing. When it came time to land, As I tried to descend to my usual pattern altitude I found that the trees were unfriendly and way closer than usual. Yes, the unusual barometric reading had tricked me into setting the altimeter off by 1000 ft. And by the way, my flight instructor was also on board. Won't do that one again soon. Bob Smith, building and flying with equal quality control ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:45:33 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally Weighs less than a 0290!! Re-drive still on there, it'll work great (prediction!) Does'nt Roger use a EA82? > You mean BO_AT_ANC_HOR! :o) Did you get rid of that dang redrive yet? > Seriously you should get in touch with Roger Enns up in Canada about his > direct drive turbo! > > Mike "Redrives are for boats" Mims > > ________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:46:26 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: KR: Re: Testing, testing works fine. John - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - ---------- > From: Rex Ellington > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Testing, testing > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 10:38 AM > > G'Day All > > Is it working for me yet ?? > > Rex Ellington > Rex T. Ellington > ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:49:14 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Testing, testing Yes, it is. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:53:06 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Testing, testing At 11:38 AM 10/8/97 CDT, you wrote: >G'Day All > >Is it working for me yet ?? > >Rex Ellington >Rex T. Ellington >ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > Yes I read you 5x5!! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:12:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally At 10:45 AM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >Weighs less than a 0290!! >Re-drive still on there, it'll work great (prediction!) >Does'nt Roger use a EA82? Oh come on! Whats 3 pounds! :o) No Roger has a E-81 last time I checked. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:35:23 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: major milestone Michael, Michael, I'm glad you like my pictures. I was smiling like a little kid when I rolled it out in the sun for first time. I don't see any disadvantages with Mike Ladigo's WAF scheme, other than it's .75" shorter. For those who don't know what we mean, I could post a picture soon, but basically he mounted his wing attach fittings to his outer spars so that nothing was hanging outside the spar. The hole that mounts to the stub wing bracket goes thru the spar too. Now you've got a free compression spacer, and everything is in double shear. Should tighten things up a bit. I've got to tell this story about my flap torque tube. It runs the width of the plane from left wing attach to right wing attach fittings. I was very careful drilling the holes so that I could use my outer most plywood ribs as bearings, so I have less than .001" of play. Radial movement is imperceptible. But I drilled the .75" holes one at a time, will no way to align them with each other, and didn't enlarge them at all. There are 8 holes all together; two in the fuselage skin, two in the spar gussetts, two thru the inboard ribs, two in the outboard ribs. After I rolled it outside and had enough room to slide the 8' tube in, I braced myself for the disappointment of not having them line up, and started sliding it in. These holes are so tight that if the tube wasn't perfectly lined up with the hole, it wouldn't move. Once I slid it thru two holes, it was aligned, and slid right through to the other side! The eight holes are in just about perfect alignment. Stuff like this is why I've got 1300 hours in it, not counting several hundred design hours. I just hope it doesn't end up like my house. It's built bomb proof with 6" walls, 2 x12 joists, 2 x10 rafters, etc. We (my wife and me) did a perfect framing job, plumbing, electrical, etc. But after 14 months of building, when we got to the finishing part, we were in such a hurry that all the walls are white, and the sheetrock finishing isn't exactly exemplary. What I'm saying is that my KR will be straight, but it might not have a show plane finish on it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: major milestone > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 1:24 AM > > At 09:45 PM 10/7/97 -0500, you wrote: > >KRNetHeads, > > > >Well, like Tom, my boat has wheels now. > > Mark, I just downloaded your pics and increased the size a little. I have > been drooling over them for the past 30 minutes! It looks fantastic! Great > job dude! > > Your post and pictures motivated me just a little. I was gona blow off > going to the garage tonight but after your post I was out the door in a > flash! I managed to glue in all the ply ribs on the right stub wing and > start on the new horizontal tips. Thanks for the kick in the butt! > > Did you ever find anything wrong with the way the outer wings were bolted to > the stub on the turbine KR1.5? I am still considering it,..are you? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:41:04 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! Isn't Roger's nice red/white with 3 blade, seems like I saw a photo on a website somewhere, can't remember URL though John - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 11:12 AM > > No Roger has a E-81 last time I checked. > > ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:00:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! At 11:41 AM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >Isn't Roger's nice red/white with 3 blade, seems like I saw a >photo on a website somewhere, can't remember URL though > > John - Los Alamos NM > jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > I think you are talking about those yahoo's at Air Ryder, See: http://www.si-inc.com/subaru/direct81.htm for Rogers install and words of wisdom. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:12:18 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! For Roger Enns and his direct drive subaru EA81 Dragonfly try: http://www.air-ryder.com At 11:41 AM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >Isn't Roger's nice red/white with 3 blade, seems like I saw a >photo on a website somewhere, can't remember URL though > > John - Los Alamos NM > jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > >---------- >> From: Micheal Mims >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally >> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 11:12 AM >> >> No Roger has a E-81 last time I checked. >> >> ________________________________ > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:18:09 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! Sorry Guys this is Bud & Reg Clarks home page, http://www.air-ryder.com At 11:41 AM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >Isn't Roger's nice red/white with 3 blade, seems like I saw a >photo on a website somewhere, can't remember URL though > > John - Los Alamos NM > jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > >---------- >> From: Micheal Mims >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally >> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 11:12 AM >> >> No Roger has a E-81 last time I checked. >> >> ________________________________ > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:16:43 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! At 11:12 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: > > For Roger Enns and his direct drive subaru EA81 Dragonfly try: > http://www.air-ryder.com > That would be the Clarke brothers joint, not Roger Enns. Boy I am glad Roger didn't hear you say that! :o) ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: major milestone In a message dated 97-10-08 13:42:09 EDT, Mark wrote: << ...I just hope it doesn't end up like my house. It's built bomb proof with 6" walls, 2 x12 joists, 2 x10 rafters, etc. We (my wife and me) did a perfect framing job, plumbing, electrical, etc. But after 14 months of building, when we got to the finishing part, we were in such a hurry that all the walls are white, and the sheetrock finishing isn't exactly exemplary. What I'm saying is that my KR will be straight, but it might not have a show plane finish on it... >> Mark: Given what you wrote, I suggest you not try to finish your plane with drywall products... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:35:02 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Soob Boat Anchor??!! At 11:16 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:12 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >> For Roger Enns and his direct drive subaru EA81 Dragonfly try: >> http://www.air-ryder.com >> Look Mike, For only $90.00 Air_Ryder will share the same information. What a deal. Dave Moore > >That would be the Clarke brothers joint, not Roger Enns. Boy I am glad >Roger didn't hear you say that! :o) > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:57:41 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Windshield Mat Donald Reid wrote: > The Dragonfly canopy is 3/16" thick and the Rand version is 1/4" (I > think). Something in that range should be fine. I believe the Dragonfly is 1/8" and the Rand is 3/16" Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:15:09 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: Limbach EO 2000 Ross Does anyone know the specs and reliability of the Limbach EO 2000 engines? All I know that there is one for sale and it is 80 hp and complete with all accessories. Also, there is a O-200-A Cont. for sale for $3500 w/logs. John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:57 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Gathering thoughts, delayed in getting back on net. Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:12:55 G'Day All, hope it's a good day wherever your are. The following probably only represents noise on the band due to the delay in getting me back on the krnet, but please bear with me. When I wound up my little RX7 at 2130 Saturday night after the banquet to drive back to Norman, I felt like a case of memory circuit overload from all the things I had seen and heard. FWIW, I offer the following comments. I attended several Oshkosh conventions starting in 1973. By the mid '80s, I was completely disgusted at the commercialism, concentration on erector-set kit planes, big iron, and reduction of person-to-person exchanges. Perry was like the first couple of get-togethers I attended at Rockford B.O. (before Oshkosh). People of like interests were really eager to help each other out. When this not-very-vocal person left, it was with the feeling of having experienced something very unusual these days. Thanks to all that I met and talked to. Special thanks to those who made the presentations. I had to take notes furiously to keep up with the flow of ideas and suggestions on tools to make things easier. Most importantly, it was fun to be able to tie personalities to the people I've met on the net. The flight testing seminar should be repeated and repeated, it could save people and planes. Thinking back, it was stupid of a methodical person like me to want to fly hot planes in the Navy. Lucky for me, after the 'Marianas turkey shoot' they suddenly felt they had too many pilots in the pipeline and needed flight people in fighter direction against kamikazis and radar countermeasures for invasion. I had always felt behind the curve when in the front seat in those early days. In true Navy style, chemical engineers were considered good for crash training in EE and radar school in Boston. From managing projects for other people for some thirty plus years, through habit I have moved slowly this last year, to try and have all the big decisions made before starting, a 2s project, to keep Murphy from tossing things into the critical path too frequently. Now, I know what I want to do and would hope to have the yellow and blue Taylorcraft 44264, that I flew in and out Friday, up for sale next fall. (by the way, that 33 ft. wingspan, 5 ft. chord, bird only weighs 712 pounds empty, which makes it almost STOL in winds like Friday's). I had a few pulse-raisers learning its characteristics, that a testing program like that discussed at the Gathering would have moderated. It is good that there are still people like Don and Randy who will make something like the Gathering really work. Rex Ellington Norman OK ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:11:05 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: major milestone Ron Lee wrote: > Michael, I am seeing in you the classic initial signs of "homebuilder > burn-outitis". If you continue at this pace, you will begin to experience > headaches, muscle pains, possible paranoid delusions and other complications. > Go out and walk on the beach, take hikes in the mountains, do things with the > wife, etc. Save yourself before it is too late. > > Ron "Dr Psychobabble" Lee That is what happens to me if I don't spent enough time in the shop. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:15:18 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Re: New web Page - Finally jeb wrote: > > Nice page Don, ready for engine yet? Got one? > 3 words: SUE BAR ROO > that line didn't go over well at the gathering either. > John - Los Alamos NM > jeb@thuntek.net / www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm O-200, 175 hours since certified rebuild, w/B&C lightweight alternator. $6500 and attached to a badly dinged Vari-Eze with all VFR instruments. Event the wife throught it was a good deal. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:25:18 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Limbach EO 2000 John F. Esch wrote: > ... Also, there is a O-200-A Cont. for sale for $3500 w/logs. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR Before I found my low time O-200, this was what I was looking for. If it has some time left and good compression, it sounds pretty good. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:59:40 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Air Ryder (was Soob Boat Anchor??!!) At 11:35 AM 10/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >>> For Roger Enns and his direct drive subaru EA81 Dragonfly try: >>> http://www.air-ryder.com >>> > >Look Mike, >For only $90.00 Air_Ryder will share the same information. What a deal. > >Dave Moore > Ah yes,...the home of the $15,000 Subaru engine! interesting you could almost buy a brand new Subaru car for the same money! :-D Out of respect for those of you who have chosen the Subaru to power your KR I changed the subject area. Heck who knows,..there could be a Soob in my future!! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:38:34 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: split flaps smithr wrote: > > Does anyone know the relative advantages/disadvantages of split flaps > versus the RR plans slotted flaps? > > I would expect that the drag on split flaps would be greater. > How much would split flaps affect the stall speed? > Installation seems easier on split flaps. > Split flaps are as of yet unproven. I'm a chicken test pilot. Is it too > risky to just try them? > Is anyone aware of any serious disadvantages of split flaps? > > Bob Smith, KR2S Albany, NY "out front, breaking wind" According to "Theory Of Wing Sections" by Abbott and Von Doenhoff, split flaps compare favorably to slotted flaps. The split flap, consisting of a moveable section of the bottom surface, generally have a lower drag when retracted (due to the smaller gap area) and a similar, but slightly lower section lift coefficient. Stall speed should be close. The split flap will also generally have a higher drag coefficient when deployed. This means the nose can be lower on approach. On the down side, it does look like they have a higher pitch moment that slotted flaps. This means more trim change with deployement. A higher drag coefficient can also mean a bit more trouble on a go-around. As to construction, split should be easier. All in all, it looks to me like personal preference. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 15:00:15 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Windshield Mat At 02:57 PM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Donald Reid wrote: > >> The Dragonfly canopy is 3/16" thick and the Rand version is 1/4" (I >> think). Something in that range should be fine. > >I believe the Dragonfly is 1/8" and the Rand is 3/16" > >Bob Smith > Yep your right! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Parts WEB site There's a HUGE place (probably 250,000 sq. feet of inventory) in Dayton, Ohio which specializes in both electrical and mechanical surplus inventory from all kinds of companies (not just aviation stuff). They buy up everything you can imagine and then sell it at a fraction of the cost. Incredible stuff for just pennies on the dollar. I was in there earlier this year and was amazed. Their WEB site is: http://www.meci.com They put out a free catalog (quarterly) which you can request from their site. I would strongly suggest getting a copy. You will probably find stuff you could use in the shop, on/in your airplane, around the house, in your car, in your computer, etc. I bought about a dozen WWII vintage aircraft altimeters and ASIs for a couple bucks a piece. I gave most of them away as paperweights. I think you get the idea, though. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:10:33 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Updated Conversion web page 1. Just a quick note to let y'all know that I added another conversion table to my "Conversions for Homebuilders" page: a table to convert between statute miles (or mph) and nautical miles (or knots). Actually, this should have been one of the first ones I built. It's at: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/metric.htm And my home page is at: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/metric.htm Anyone wanting me to link them into my page, just give me a holler. 2. To anyone in the central Ohio region - This weekend is Open House day at two local airports: Saturday: Fairfield County Airport, Lancaster, OH Sunday: Circleville Airport, Circleville, OH My new KR-1 (Wild Bill's old KR-1) will be on display at both shows. Also, Young Eagle flights will be sponsored by my EAA Chapter 443. If you're anywhere in the area, drop by. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH (614) 895-3684 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:19:45 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: split flaps Don Reid wrote: >On the down > side, it does look like they have a higher pitch moment that slotted > flaps. This means more trim change with deployment. But on the up side, an improvement in visibility on final, depending on your point of view. I'm going with split flaps, for the other reasons you listed as well, notably, more drag upon landing, and less drag when flying because of the absence of gap. I think I have a drawing at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/flap.gif . Mine will be actuated by a torque tube which rotates a lever which pushes the pushrod in the drawing. All of this is going in the space between the stub wing and outer wing, since my flaps will be on the outer wing. I think the primary reason that the flaps are so short in the plans is that if they were any longer they'd drag the ground with stock retracts. I'm fastening them to the spar. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: split flaps > Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 7:38 PM > > According to "Theory Of Wing Sections" by Abbott and Von Doenhoff, split > flaps compare favorably to slotted flaps. The split flap, consisting of > a moveable section of the bottom surface, generally have a lower drag > when retracted (due to the smaller gap area) and a similar, but > slightly lower section lift coefficient. Stall speed should be close. > The split flap will also generally have a higher drag coefficient when > deployed. This means the nose can be lower on approach. On the down > side, it does look like they have a higher pitch moment that slotted > flaps. This means more trim change with deployement. A higher drag > coefficient can also mean a bit more trouble on a go-around. As to > construction, split should be easier. All in all, it looks to me like > personal preference. > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: split flaps In a message dated 97-10-08 18:04:32 EDT, you write: << The split flap will also generally have a higher drag coefficient when deployed. This means the nose can be lower on approach. On the down side, it does look like they have a higher pitch moment that slotted flaps. This means more trim change with deployement. A higher drag coefficient can also mean a bit more trouble on a go-around. As to construction, split should be easier. All in all, it looks to me like personal preference. -- Don Reid >> Hey, Don.... I've had it in my mind about using flaps that would extend rearward as they went down thereby additionally giving more wing area aft of the aircraft balance point. I thought it might help a possible near-aft CG situation at slow speed approaches. I asked about this earlier this year but never saw any replies. Have you ever seen anything like this done or what are your thoughts about it? I noticed something like this on some Cessnas. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #119 *****************************