From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:03 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n125' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #125 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 125 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:23:28 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts Ross Now that is a interesting idea. Thanks for the idea. I was thinking also toward my first military aircraft that I was a crewchief on... 5811 or N5811E or something along that line. Never forget the first aircraft you worked on. It was a AH-1F Attack Helicopter. John F. Esch Salem, OR Ross wrote: > Say John, > > How about your Area code and initials... I took N541RY. Would you > be N503JE, or N541JE? I did this as all the nifty RY N numbers were > taken by other people who didn't even OWN KR's! Can you believe this! > > -- Ross > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > I will ordered the 97 gathering video as soon it comes available. I > was > > another person who couldn't make it to the gathering (DARN IT). The > > > last video encouraged me to buy plans. Will register my KR here soon > > > also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > > At 03:07 PM 10/9/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > >For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program > > > >discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points > > > >covered and suggested procedures to follow. > > > > > > > >CW Crane > > > > > > > > > > The best thing for you to do is buy the 97 gathering video! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Micheal Mims > > > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:27:09 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes Oscar, Oregon has no sales tax... so thats no problem. I've registered my plane with the FAA, and haven't gotten anything from the state. I understand we are supposed to register with the State Aeronautics board, which is somthing like $40/yr per plane, but I was also supposed to register when I started flying here, and no-one has arrested me yet, in fact, I had to work to dig up the forms. I will check around with my EAA buddies to find out what the regs are, and also what everyone is doing... not always the same thing. At any rate, I figure I will settle all the accounts when it's time to get the airworthy. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > >Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes > >From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > > > > >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:24 -0500 "Mark Langford" > >writes: > >>John, > >> > >>Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man > will > >>probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of > state > >>(since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out > of > >>state orders). > >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >>email at langford@hiwaay.net > >>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > >> > >Depends on the state. Here in NM it will cost me $.02 per pound of > >licensed gross weight until my plane reaches the ripe old age of two > >years. Then it drops to $.015 per pound. After it's an old worn out > >plane of 5 years old, the state cost drops to $.01 per pound for as > long > >as this old plane lasts. :o) They won't even pester me for sales > taxes. > > > > > >Jeff > >------- > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > >jscott.pilot@juno.com > > HEY! You're scarin' me! What's this noise about TAXES??! Hey, Ross- > what's the deal here in Oregon? Aren't we one of the states that still > believes in fighting this kind of stuff? [For a while there, I thought > you was talkin' about TEXAS... the state where I was born (and proud of > it, too... the South will rise again!)] > > I would imagine that California taxes everything, regardless of country > of origin or present location. I think they imbed microchips under > newborn babies' skin over there, so they can track you for life and tax > your earnings and everything else, as long as you live, and no matter > WHERE you live... or die. > > I can't believe that Oregon would do the 'collect sales tax for other > states' thing. Oh, this sinking feeling. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:28:46 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts Oscar, Go to Aviation Landings website http://www.landings.com they have links there for an N database search. I used this and found that many of my choices were already taken. It's worth the trip! -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:59:05 -0700 > >From: "John F. Esch" > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts > > >Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > > > >John F. Esch > >Salem, OR > > Hi, John- > > Just don't use MY tail number: N1691N (notice that you can still read > this even when the airplane is UPSIDE DOWN?) > > But, seriously- does anybody know how to access the FAA database to see > if a tail number is already assigned? I know you can apply for a > 'custom' number, but how do you check to see if one exists, without > listing your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice, etc.? > > Thanks > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:21:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! At 04:50 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >How in the world was that accomplished? I liiiike it! Looks like it is >time to shop around for a hot wiring kit. Wow. Nice Job! > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR Its so easy you wouldn't believe it! Maybe I will right a little bit on how the hot wiring thing works later tonight, sounds like enough people are curious. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:34:31 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KROnline Randy, I'm itchen to write another KRONLINE article. I will expand on my instrument panel with the installation of my TERRA avionics tray using the RST connector stuff from the KITPLANES article. I haven't done this, but it will be fun. BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-10 08:56:55 EDT, Oscar wrote: > > << OK; one more post and I'm outta here for the weekend. After quickly > scanning lots of peoples' KR pages over the past few weeks, it's been > all I can do to just see what's out there. Just a few minutes ago, I > found back issues of the KROnline (on Mike Mims' page). > > Ohmygosh. >> > > Ya, the guys who contributed to KROnline did a bang up job. Having the folks > post them on their web pages has created a huge and valuable resource for > everyone who follows along after the fact. > > We could start it up again, on an as submitted basis, it you guys want. My > home/office load will be easing up now that the kid is away (She only calls > when she needs more money for college - sigh). E-mail me privately with your > articles and as soon as I have enough "stuff" I'll put together the next > issue. Besides, if it overloads me, I already bought some rope and the 'ol > tree in the backyard is still there... > > Randy (KROnwhine) Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:32:51 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Bingelis books At 16:44 97/10/12 -0700, you wrote: >I like spoilers too (Sailplane days I guess). > >Tony Bengilis' books have a reasonably good section on spoiler and >flap design in case you haven't seen it. I also understand that >EAA chapters can get a discount on the Sportplane Builder seires >of books ... although as a Chapter Pres. I don't know anything >about it myself... perhaps I will find out. > -- Ross > A few months ago that series was on sale at about 50% off. I got the two (?) books I was missing from the set. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:38:10 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy sealer Rex, If you (or anyone for that matter) needs scanning services... you can send them to me as well. I have a scanner, and will put images on floppy for folks if they want them. (Send a blank floppy or a couple of $$). I can't guarentee a timely turn-around, but it's free. Send to: R.Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis, OR 97330 -- Ross Rex Ellington wrote: > > BSHADR Fri, 10 Oct 1997 wrote > > Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy sealer > > > In a message dated 97-10-10 00:58:22 EDT, Brian wrote: > > > > << I have plenty of space for anything that anybody wants posted. > > Just let me know what you want and send it to me. >> > > > > Rex, are ya listen'in? > > Randy > > > I hear. I hear. > We will get a scanner soon. In the meantime, I will > look for Brian's snail mail address and send photo > copies to him. > > Rex Ellington > Rex T. Ellington > ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:53:04 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Lowered GPS price/ Headset Question. Vince Bozik wrote: > Ron Lee wrote: > > This from AvWeb. Saw it posted on Cozy list I hope. > If ANY of you have had any experiences with a Flightcom Eclipse, > Please let me know. They don't seem to have much integrity, but sure > look pretty darn comfy! Mine's coming in on Monday, hopefully. I think > that one downside to this headset is a "less than norm" sound decrease > from less "vise-like" pressure on the noggin. At least, that's what the > dizzy little Flightcom Rep. told me. They wouldn't give a true > decrease, just note that it was less. I was trying to find one with a > composite headband, but didn't want to pay 300.00 for a DC H20-10S. > That one ways 20 some-odd ounces anyway. The Flightcom is only 13.9 > oz. Thanks to Dad's and birthday money, I bought a 20-10 this summer. It is about 1-2 db less noise attenuation then the Head CLampers. I have flown it on one long X-C flight and it was very comforatable, but I think I do notice the 1-2db extra noise. DC does make a 12.x oz headset, which my flight instructor uses. It seems nice too. I looked hard at the Flightcom Eclipse and was going to get one of those as they are an Oregon based company, (all other things being equal), I also got some good reviews of the Peltor headset. Both of these were around $170 or so. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:13:12 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: Painting Well, I was painting Friday night, on my back and the gun just wasn't doing anything. This was a really cheap Campbell Hausfield gun I bought for a car painting job, when I wasn't sure if I really should pay money for a paint gun. I guess after 10 years it was time to buy a new gun. I cleaned it out twice and at about 12:30 in the morning decided to bag it for the night. So Saturday morning I found a $60.00 touch up gun, and another (slightly more expensive) spray gun, and added them to the tool collection. I guess 10 years is long enough to discover that investing in a quality spray gun will pay for itself. At any rate, I cleaned, taped up and sprayed the Red stripes on the KR fuselage. This small gun is TERRIFIC! It's nice to be able to adjust the fan pattern and really get some differences! I guess I will be doing a better job of cleaning my new guns too. (Did I mention that 10 years of accumulated stuff kinda limited the preformance of my old paint gun?) OK, well I'd say you could paint an entire plane with the $66 gun, but it was on sale for $39.00. This one has an 8oz siphon cup which is great for smaller jobs. I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, and I like them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:15:14 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Painting At 18:13 97/10/12 -0700, you wrote: >Well, >So Saturday morning I found a $60.00 touch up gun, and another (slightly >more expensive) spray gun, and added them to the tool collection. >I guess 10 years is long enough to discover that investing in a quality >spray gun will pay for itself. > > At any rate, I cleaned, taped up and sprayed the Red stripes on the >KR fuselage. This small gun is TERRIFIC! I > OK, well I'd say you could paint an entire plane with the $66 gun, >but it was on sale for $39.00. This one has an 8oz siphon cup which >is great for smaller jobs. > > -- Regards > Ross > Ok Ross, what brand gun was it and where did you get it so cheaply? Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:55:59 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts Ross I had a guy who was in my unit who works for the FAA, oops, in Hillsboro and I'll check with him about taxes. I doubt he might know about this but at least I can check. He says I can register my KR at any time. John F. Esch Salem, OR Ross wrote: > Mark, > That's a nasty one. I registered mine a year ago, but here in > Oregon > we don't have state sales tax. So I guess I don't have to worry, nor > does John. > We also can't buy self-serve Gasolene either, but hey, you can't > have > everything. Here you tell that you need gas, by the bug count on your > > windshield in the summer, everytime you get gas you usually get the > windshield cleaned. Sorta Pre-70's for everyone else. > > -- Ross > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > Will register my KR here soon > > > also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > > > > John, > > > > Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man > will > > probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of > state > > (since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out > of > > state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take > appropriate > > action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what > happened to > > our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented > with a > > rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to > court...and > > he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:00:36 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Painting I wonder if Ross will let me borrow it when the times comes? Just kidding John F. Esch Salem, Or Ron Lee wrote: > At 18:13 97/10/12 -0700, you wrote: > >Well, > > >So Saturday morning I found a $60.00 touch up gun, and another > (slightly > >more expensive) spray gun, and added them to the tool collection. > >I guess 10 years is long enough to discover that investing in a > quality > >spray gun will pay for itself. > > > > At any rate, I cleaned, taped up and sprayed the Red stripes on the > > >KR fuselage. This small gun is TERRIFIC! I > > OK, well I'd say you could paint an entire plane with the $66 gun, > >but it was on sale for $39.00. This one has an 8oz siphon cup which > >is great for smaller jobs. > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > > Ok Ross, what brand gun was it and where did you get it so cheaply? > > Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:25:50 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: pumping gas in Oregon RossY wrote: > We also can't buy self-serve Gasolene either, but hey, you can't have > everything. You gotta be kiddin' me. Are you Oregonians too inept to pump gas, or did the Gasoline Distributors Association get through to the state senate? This reminds me of Huntsville building code, where you can do your own house framing and electrical, but have to hire a licensed (by the city) plumber to do your plumbing. It seems you don't have to worry about your house collapsing on you or your guests, or being electricuted by faulty wiring, buy you never know when a leak will drown you! Their REAL excuse is the "delicate" connection to city waste lines, but I have a septic tank! When the inspectors came, I was complimented on our bombproof framing, and super-clean wiring, but the plumbing inspector found two reasons to fail what the "licensed" plumber did, and his work was HIDEOUS... Sorry this has nothing to do with KRs. I guess I can't preach a sermon on wasting bandwidth for a few more weeks. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Ross > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts > Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 7:17 PM > > Mark, > That's a nasty one. I registered mine a year ago, but here in Oregon > we don't have state sales tax. So I guess I don't have to worry, nor > does John. > We also can't buy self-serve Gasolene either, but hey, you can't have > everything. Here you tell that you need gas, by the bug count on your > windshield in the summer, everytime you get gas you usually get the > windshield cleaned. Sorta Pre-70's for everyone else. > > -- Ross > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > Will register my KR here soon > > > also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > > > > John, > > > > Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man will > > probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of state > > (since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out of > > state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take appropriate > > action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what happened to > > our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented with a > > rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to court...and > > he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:25:15 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! I've been micro-ing and sanding my other outer wing panel for days now. Getting the spar caps faired in was a much bigger pain in the butt than sanding the urethane. If I was doing it again (a common KR-net theme) I would consider hot wire AND a composite spar. It woud be easier to gey smooth at the spars and I wouldn't have those temperature induced bumps at the spars after all that sanding. I haven't tried sculpting compound shapes with the polystyrene but if it's that easy... well too late I'll be out in the garage sanding some more. - -Peter Hudson- Ridgecrest CA Micheal Mims wrote: > > Well after a few minutes of sculpturing my wing root fairings out of Blue > Styrene I realized why I hate urethane so much! Polystyrene is NOT hard to > work with what so ever, as a matter of fact it sculptures much easier than > urethane and when your done you have a much more durable surface to slurry > and glass and NO URETHANE DUST to clean up. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:22:56 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! At 08:25 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: I haven't tried sculpting compound shapes with the polystyrene but if it's that easy... Well I wouldn't say its easy, but then again what is? The definition of easy is the key here. To me its easier because its not so fragile. I spent the day shaping my horizontal stab tips out of,..you guessed it URETHANE (they were glued on last week or I would have used poly) anyway I did ok but its so frustrating to me that the urethane is so soft that just brushing it of with a wisk broom can screw it up!! Oh well the new tips are glassed an look pretty cool! And needless to say those are the last two pieces of urethane that will be used on my KR. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Here goes again. >> plywood is a known catenary surfactant and this can make you paint your KR >> yellow, or worse, make someone else call you yellow if you don't. All this >> because of a string catenary. Use a laser instead. What's wrong with painting a KR yellow? Maybe in rural areas it's different, but my impresssion of the east coast is that there's a hell of a lot of stuff on the ground that's visible in the pattern and the same color as a white plane. A pale yellow wouldn't trap much more heat than white and would be much more visible. We are, after all, talking about a plane so small that one was once shot down by people who thought it was a toy. . . . Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: "Prming foam" for fiberglass wet layup >> I read, in a old issue of SPORT AVIATION: "never allow micro tu cure on >> bare foam with the idea of glassing over it later". >> A few days ago, I've been told that glassing over cured micro is >> possible (and may be useful if your core is not-so-good and you have >> some corrections to do, such as spar cap to foam smoothing, with less >> risk of damages). Of course, before glassing, micro surfaces have to be >> sanded dull thoroughly. . . . >Here is a basic idea I gathered from my composite experience (not very >deep). I hope it helps you. > >Micro is used wherever there is no structural need, i.e. for cosmetic >purposes only; I understand it doesn't carry shear very well. When you >need this kind of bond, you must use flox. In the KR-1 and KR-2 type of >aircraft, the wing skins carry most of the wing shear loads, therefore >you should assure a good bond between the wooden spars and the >fibreglass skin. No micro, or bondo, or paint, or any other finish than >barewood in that area. >>I would also agree with the Long-ez builder. Get the foam as close to >>perfect as possible. The only thing the micro does is fill the pores of >>the foam so the foam does not fill up with straight epoxy and get heavy. This brings to mind something I read in the August KR Newsletter. Without significant quoting (lest I get in trouble), a KR builder from Fresno, CA who's an A&P recommends keeping down the weight of epoxy by "priming the foam" first with a mixture of powdered waterproof glue and water, mixed with micro and letting it dry. The author calls the glue "the type that can be purchased at hardware stores" (I assume he means aliphatic resin glue). He apparently puts this glue/micro slurry on the foam and lets it dry before final sanding, because he says to adjust the mixture until the filler "sands almost as easily as the foam." The result is a smoother surface that doesn't absorb as much epoxy, which saves money as well as weight. When I first read this I was thinking, "Wouldn't it weaken the bond between skin and foam?" But if the bond strength is actually unimportant, why not do it? In fact, if the bond strength is unimportant, why even use a waterproof glue? Dilute Elmer's glue mixed with micro would fill the foam as well as aliphatic resin glue. The guy recommended doing some experiments with scrap foam, which seems well worth doing. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KROnline article(s) In a message dated 97-10-12 23:30:41 EDT, Ross wrote: << I'm itchen to write another KRONLINE article. I will expand on my instrument panel with the installation of my TERRA avionics tray using the RST connector stuff from the KITPLANES article. I haven't done this, but it will be fun. >> Ross: Thanx, I'll be waiting for it whenever you get to it. Jim Faughn: Thanks for the landing article. I hope to whine(d) up Jeff and Rick (hint, hint) to contribute a tad too. We can then publish them as some form of treatise on test flying prep, test flying and landing. A vewy, vewy helpful set of articles for future KRers to review as the prepare for their own first flights and subsequent test flying. I think this will reduce the number of very low time KRs for sale. Knowing what to expect should calm the fears the new KR test pilots. I heard from one (nameless) KR pilot who had the bejeezis scared out of him when doing some medium speed taxis testing and did not actual saddle up his KR himself for another full year. This is spite of the fact his KR was being flown by others on a regular basis during that time, yet he couldn't screw up the nerve to get back on board himself. On a related note, one of the EZ guys at our last EAA meeting was telling stories about having dreams (wet and not fun) of getting into PIO months prior to his project completion and first flights. I think the fear is there for everyone. The best way to overcome such fears is through the educational process. Through the efforts of Jim, Rick and Jeff, we will soon have a video of the test flying session that the presented at the last KRKosh. a KROnline group of articles will serve to supplement this too. We be cook'in now. Thanks fellows. Randy (KRWhine) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: More progress What a week! Main spar is in, floor soundproofed (yeah right) and plywod installed, fuselage is on the gear, control stick with six function Infinity stick grip is installed (more gadgets!), horizontal stab is glassed, elevator is foamed and ready for glass, forward deck and header tank are taking shape, and I just came up with my plan to make my own foam sandwich wing skins (ala Dan Diehl) for my stub wings. The BEST part is that on Tuesday, 7 October 1997, at 1735, I was informed by family and neighbors that I could remove my "No, it's NOT a boat, it's an AIRPLANE" sign from the front of my fuselage -- WOO HOOO!!!!! A few more weeks like this and I'll be able to take down the 16' work table and give my wife back "her" half of the garage. I just picked my N number, will send the forms in this week. Look for NF15RJ at next year's gathering. It will be the white and blue KR-2S with "Baby Eagle" painted on the top of the nose and a bald eagle air brushed on the bottom, wing tip to wing tip, cowling to tail feathers. If the airplane can't be there, I'll bring pictures.... ;-) Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO 292 hours, 31 minutes and counting -- about 25% complete. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:33:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: test test ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:48:00 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KROnline Newsletter >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:13:40 -0700 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Micheal Mims >Subject: Re: KR: KROnline Newsletter > >Jim, I uploaded an HTML version of your article to my server for anyone who may need it in the future. If there are any objections let me know and I will remove it. Its at: > >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/landing.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:48:24 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:21:01 -0700 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Micheal Mims >Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! > >At 04:50 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>How in the world was that accomplished? I liiiike it! Looks like it is >>time to shop around for a hot wiring kit. Wow. Nice Job! >> >>John F. Esch >>Salem, OR > >Its so easy you wouldn't believe it! Maybe I will right a little bit on how the hot wiring thing works later tonight, sounds like enough people are curious. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:48:41 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:22:56 -0700 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Micheal Mims >Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! > >At 08:25 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: > I haven't tried sculpting compound shapes with the polystyrene but if it's that easy... > >Well I wouldn't say its easy, but then again what is? The definition of easy is the key here. To me its easier because its not so fragile. I spent the day shaping my horizontal stab tips out of,..you guessed it URETHANE (they were glued on last week or I would have used poly) anyway I did ok but its so frustrating to me that the urethane is so soft that just brushing it of with a wisk broom can screw it up!! Oh well the new tips are glassed an look pretty cool! And needless to say those are the last two pieces of urethane that will be used on my KR. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KROnline article(s) In a message dated 97-10-13 00:21:15 EDT, you write: << I hope to whine(d) up Jeff and Rick (hint, hint) to contribute a tad too. We can then publish them as some form of treatise on test flying prep, test flying and landing. >> I've been too busy building as of late to write much of anything. I'll try to put together a list of "top ten" points to consider when preparing yourself and your airplane for flight test, and give a short synopsis of my portion of the forum. Hey, all you experienced KR fliers, this is the perfect opportunity for you to relate some "real-life" war stories from your early years in the airplane. Your words of wisdom will help alleviate some fears and yet put the emphasis on the appropriate things to be concerned about and prepared for. If you don't want to write an article, or don't think you have enough info for one, send your stories to me and I'll compile them all into one article, if you'd like. We'd like to take a gander at the wealth of experience y'all have. Thanks in advance! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St Charles MO 292 hous, 31 minutes and counting -- about 25% complete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:22:02 -0500 From: Mark Pierce Subject: Re: KR: Painting > Ross wrote... I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, and I like > them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A > perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol.... Ross, I don't want to be too negative but I also used System III paint for a few years. Painted 7 airplanes with the stuff. These were a little different since they were frabric covered but we quit using it due to it becoming brittle and showing cracks after a couple of years. It was developed for fiberglass boats so maybe it's better suited for KRs. I switched for the following reasons: 1. Brittleness and Cracking starting the 2nd/3rd season. 2. Very fast dry rate which caused overspray problems (difficult to get a large piece all "wet" at once). 3. Had problems with it "spanning" across seams and indentations (shrinking and pulling up as it cures). This also required you to pull striping tapes off immediately while it was still wet or it would span onto the tape and leave a very rough edge. 4. Dull finish. Must buff out or apply a clear coat to get a shine. System III is tough paint and I think it is pretty good stuff, maybe just not for my applications. I do love the water reduceable feature. However I'm now using a new product from BLUE RIVER AIRCRAFT SUPPLY, Harvard, Nebraska. It's called Industrial Polyurethane II from a company called Aircraft Finishing Systems Inc. in Montana. It's also a water based 2 part system but has a much slower cure rate, better adhesion, and a high gloss. I've painted two airplanes and a Wheelhorse garden tractor with it thus far and am very pleased but I'm anxious to see what it looks like in 2 or three years. If anyone else has any experience with this paint or any other water reduceable alternatives I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. If anyone is interested in this one, here are their numbers: BLUE RIVER AIRCRAFT SUPPLY Box 460 HARVARD, NE 68944 (403) 463-9309 (402) 772-3651 Aircraft Finishing Systems Inc. - Montana Order - 1-800-653-7200 Tech - 1-406-682-4113 - -- Mark Pierce markpi@oz.sunflower.org PA22/20 N3817P - SWPC Nieuport 11 N4140C - The Dawn Patrol KR2S (future) http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/ Ross wrote: > > Well, > I was painting Friday night, on my back and the gun just wasn't > doing anything. This was a really cheap Campbell Hausfield gun I bought > for a car painting job, when I wasn't sure if I really should pay money > for a paint gun. I guess after 10 years it was time to buy a new gun. > I cleaned it out twice and at about 12:30 in the morning decided to > bag it for the night. > > So Saturday morning I found a $60.00 touch up gun, and another (slightly > more expensive) spray gun, and added them to the tool collection. > I guess 10 years is long enough to discover that investing in a quality > spray gun will pay for itself. > > At any rate, I cleaned, taped up and sprayed the Red stripes on the > KR fuselage. This small gun is TERRIFIC! It's nice to be able to > adjust the fan pattern and really get some differences! I guess I will > be doing a better job of cleaning my new guns too. (Did I mention that > 10 years of accumulated stuff kinda limited the preformance of my old > paint gun?) > > OK, well I'd say you could paint an entire plane with the $66 gun, > but it was on sale for $39.00. This one has an 8oz siphon cup which > is great for smaller jobs. > > I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, and I like > them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A > perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol. > > -- Regards > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:30:56 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Here goes again. >>> plywood is a known catenary surfactant and this can make you paint your KR >>> yellow, or worse, make someone else call you yellow if you don't. All this >>> because of a string catenary. Use a laser instead. > >What's wrong with painting a KR yellow? Maybe in rural areas it's different, >but my impresssion of the east coast is that there's a hell of a lot of stuff >on the ground that's visible in the pattern and the same color as a white >plane. A pale yellow wouldn't trap much more heat than white and would be >much more visible. We are, after all, talking about a plane so small that >one was once shot down by people who thought it was a toy. . . . > >Mike Taglieri Mike, I think if you reread that posting, which was completely in jest, you will see a reference to a "canary", which was the basis for this completely non-serious setup for a pun about yellow-coward interchange. :) On a serious note, painting your KR anything other than white means you will be getting substantially higher surface temperatures on your glass out in the sun, even with a color as seemingly light as yellow. Consult the color-temperature chart in the back of the plans for more info on this. I have info that the people shooting down that KR were actually just trying to acquire a plane more cheaply. They didn't mean to hurt the occupants, they were just such bad shots, the plane missed the net. (The last two sentences are completely untrue by the way.) ;) In any case, if that plane _was_ yellow, it would have just made the thing more visible for them to shoot at. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:49:45 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: KR: John Denver Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:45:01 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: John Denver At 05:49 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was >an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it >wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. >John Roffey >jeroffey@tir.com > Think I remember seeing a picture of Denver with a biplane of some sort. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:56:20 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Painting At 02:22 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >> Ross wrote... I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, >and I like >> them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A >> perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol.... > >Ross, I don't want to be too negative but I also used System III paint >for a few years. Painted 7 airplanes with the stuff. These were a >little different since they were frabric covered but we quit using it >due to it becoming brittle and showing cracks after a couple of years. >It was developed for fiberglass boats so maybe it's better suited for >KRs. >Mark Pierce Mark and Ross, I recently saw a very nice Flybaby which had been painted with system 3 and it shows the same type of cracks in the finish. This fellow had done quite a bit of painting, too, but had used the system 3 for the first time. He was told by the factory that he probably didn't prepare his surfaces properly. However, he thought he followed the directions to the letter. Paint or painter???? Ed Janssen > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:01:18 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: John Denver At 07:45 97/10/13 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:49 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was >>an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it >>wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. >>John Roffey >>jeroffey@tir.com >> >Think I remember seeing a picture of Denver with a biplane of some sort. > >Ed Janssen It was reported being a Long-EZ in the Cozy net. Ron Lee ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #125 *****************************