From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:03 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n126' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #126 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:11:12 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: "Prming foam" for fiberglass wet layup >When I first read this I was thinking, "Wouldn't it weaken the bond between >skin and foam?" But if the bond strength is actually unimportant, why not do >it? In fact, if the bond strength is unimportant, why even use a waterproof >glue? Dilute Elmer's glue mixed with micro would fill the foam as well as >aliphatic resin glue. > I would not assume that foam to fiberglass bond strength is unimportant. At least in the Long-EZ, debonds of the foam fiberglass are to be fixed Ron Lee > >Mike Taglieri > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:52:16 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Painting >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:56:20 -0500 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) >Subject: Re: KR: Painting >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >At 02:22 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >>> Ross wrote... I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, >>and I like >>> them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A >>> perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol.... >> >>Ross, I don't want to be too negative but I also used System III paint >>for a few years. Painted 7 airplanes with the stuff. These were a >>little different since they were frabric covered but we quit using it >>due to it becoming brittle and showing cracks after a couple of years. >>It was developed for fiberglass boats so maybe it's better suited for >>KRs. >>Mark Pierce > >Mark and Ross, > >I recently saw a very nice Flybaby which had been painted with system 3 and >it shows the same type of cracks in the finish. This fellow had done quite >a bit of painting, too, but had used the system 3 for the first time. He >was told by the factory that he probably didn't prepare his surfaces >properly. However, he thought he followed the directions to the letter. >Paint or painter???? > >Ed Janssen Here's my 2 cents' worth on this topic, from a person who has never painted an airplane (but I've READ a lot about it, Randy!)- the Stits manual has lots of good info on this, but boils down to the nature of fabric-covered aircraft. Fabric is a much more flexible covering, subject to 'drumming' and flexing. The foam 'n' glass, and metal covered craft, are much less prone to this type of cracking and such. There are paints which are a lot more tolerant of flexing and drumming, and it strikes me that it is a lot harder to get a "five miles deep" paint job on a fabric airplane because there's no flexibility when you get that much paint on it. Shouldn't be as big a problem on a KR? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:56:48 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Bingelis books I have all of the books by Tony. I just got them last fall from Aircraft Spruce... mostly because there was a misprint in their catalog indicating that if you ordered all four, they were some ridiculous price like $58 or something (wrong). I bought them anyway. I have finished the first one, now working on the second, and it has lots of stuff on working foam and glass. I really like Tony's style and drawings. I have heard comments about some of Tony's recommendations being bum (like not using plaster for a cowling mold), but by and large they are good solid tips. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:59:25 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Les Palmer's KR In one of the KROnline Newsletters, there was a review of Les' KR, and an indication that he has available some cast/fabricated metal parts for KRs. Does he have a list or catalog? (Are you on KRNet, Les?) And, hey- just cuz he has the one and only air-conditioned KR in the universe doesn't baffle me- if you've ever been in a closed cockpit, low wing, in Texas in July... you would wish for it, too! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:02:14 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Tailwheels In the Flight Test Manual (draft) prepared by Rick (eaglegator), there is a sample weight-and-balance spreadsheet prepared by Jeff Scott. (Manual is excellent reading, by the way.) Anyway, Jeff lists his tailwheel weight as 4.5 lbs. or something. Can this be true? This is less than the trigger pull weight on lots of guns! I am used to hangaring a Super Cub, and I can tell you it has a bit more than 4.5 lbs. on the tailwheel. Wow! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:57:59 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: "Prming foam" for fiberglass wet layup At 07:11 AM 10/13/97, you wrote: > >>When I first read this I was thinking, "Wouldn't it weaken the bond between skin and foam?" But if the bond strength is actually unimportant, why not do it? In fact, if the bond strength is unimportant, why even use a waterproof glue? Dilute Elmer's glue mixed with micro would fill the foam as well as aliphatic resin glue. >>Mike Taglieri << I would not assume that foam to fiberglass bond strength is unimportant. At least in the Long-EZ, debonds of the foam fiberglass are to be fixed > >Ron Lee > Your absolutely right Ron, I think its safe to say the bond of the single layer of fiberglass to the urethane foam in the KR wing is just as important. There was a rumor among the KR community that the foam served no purpose after the glass was cured and I still argue that it does! A delam on any composite structure should be repaired. The rumor may have started because someone misunderstood the construction of the DD Wing Skins in thinking they were only fiberglass and epoxy when in fact they are a composite structure made with foam AND glass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:39:01 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Les Palmer's KR On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:59:25 PDT, you wrote: >In one of the KROnline Newsletters, there was a review of Les' KR, and=20 >an indication that he has available some cast/fabricated metal parts for= =20 >KRs. Does he have a list or catalog? (Are you on KRNet, Les?) > >And, hey- just cuz he has the one and only air-conditioned KR in the=20 >universe doesn't baffle me- if you've ever been in a closed cockpit, low= =20 >wing, in Texas in July... you would wish for it, too! > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Oscar, Check out this for info on the parts Lester has availabe! http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/klppl1.jpg Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK Building Stretched, Widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:43:15 -0000 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: Re: KR: John Denver The news conferrence held in Salinas just reported that the craft was an ultralight. No specific type was given. This was as of 10:30am cst. It was stated that the engine had failed. Mike - ---------- > From: Ron Lee > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: John Denver > Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 7:01 AM > > At 07:45 97/10/13 -0500, you wrote: > >At 05:49 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: > >>Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was > >>an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it > >>wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. > >>John Roffey > >>jeroffey@tir.com > >> > >Think I remember seeing a picture of Denver with a biplane of some sort. > > > >Ed Janssen > > It was reported being a Long-EZ in the Cozy net. > > Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:51:08 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: MCDONNELL DOUGLAS WARRANTY CARD "MCDONNELL DOUGLAS WARRANTY CARD The following was a page put on the McDonnell Douglas Internet home page by a worker with a sense of humor. The company took exception to it, however... AIRCRAFT-SPACE SYSTEMS-MISSILES Important! Important! 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Thanks, Mark Pierce markpi@oz.sunflower.org PA22/20 N3817P - SWPC Nieuport 11 N4140C - The Dawn Patrol KR2S (future) http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Kit airplane build times Netheads: This came across the Europa list, part of a thread on why the kit sellers use low "to build" times in the advertisments. If the US ever starts using the metric system. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:15:26 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Here goes again. Mike, Yellow is a terrific color. I knew a Long Eze builder who painted his bird yellow, and was frowned on by Burt Rutan, but the guy decided the risk of not being seen was greater than that of heat damage to the structure. I tended to agree, it was a wonderful looking airplane. -- Ross MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > >> plywood is a known catenary surfactant and this can make you paint your KR > >> yellow, or worse, make someone else call you yellow if you don't. All this > >> because of a string catenary. Use a laser instead. > > What's wrong with painting a KR yellow? Maybe in rural areas it's different, > but my impresssion of the east coast is that there's a hell of a lot of stuff > on the ground that's visible in the pattern and the same color as a white > plane. A pale yellow wouldn't trap much more heat than white and would be > much more visible. We are, after all, talking about a plane so small that > one was once shot down by people who thought it was a toy. . . . > > Mike Taglieri - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:51:28 EDT From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: Urethane foam sucks! MARVIN, this has nothing to do with hot cutting, yes it is the way to go, i am in west seattle and would like to see your kr, where are you located? tandem2@aol.com ---- john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:42:31 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: John Denver i heard it was a long ez ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Painting living here in seattle i have seen alot of boats painted with the three, it always looked good to me. these are racing sailboats that race all the time. i don't know what will happen at 200 mph? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: John Denver it was a long EZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:00:58 +0100 From: Antonio Pereira Subject: Re: KR: John Denver I think he owned a Christen Eagle, but I don't if that's what he was flying when he crashed. Mendes Pereira Portugal John Roffey wrote: > Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was > an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it > wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:24:58 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: John Denver John Roffey wrote: > > Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it was > an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it > wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com Well the news said first it was an ultralight, then it was a two seater fiberglass plane. Could have been just about anything. Seems the engine quit. I tried to do an Owner lookup to see what kind of planes John Denver owns, but couldn't get anything back from the search engine at landings.com. I was hoping we could figure out the plane type this way. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:23:21 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Painting Mark, Thanks for the comments! I noticed the spanning problem last night, it spans over the striping tape. Yuck. But it looks like a tough film of paint. I still like a water reducable system better than having to deal with temperature chosen reducers. We shall see in a couple of years how it looks. -- Ross Mark Pierce wrote: > > > Ross wrote... I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, > and I like > > them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A > > perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol.... > > Ross, I don't want to be too negative but I also used System III paint > for a few years. Painted 7 airplanes with the stuff. These were a > little different since they were frabric covered but we quit using it > due to it becoming brittle and showing cracks after a couple of years. > It was developed for fiberglass boats so maybe it's better suited for > KRs. I switched for the following reasons: > > 1. Brittleness and Cracking starting the 2nd/3rd season. > 2. Very fast dry rate which caused overspray problems (difficult to get > a large piece all "wet" at once). > 3. Had problems with it "spanning" across seams and indentations > (shrinking and pulling up as it cures). This also required you to pull > striping tapes off immediately while it was still wet or it would span > onto the tape and leave a very rough edge. > 4. Dull finish. Must buff out or apply a clear coat to get a shine. > > System III is tough paint and I think it is pretty good stuff, maybe > just not for my applications. I do love the water reduceable feature. > However I'm now using a new product from BLUE RIVER AIRCRAFT SUPPLY, > Harvard, Nebraska. It's called Industrial Polyurethane II from a > company called Aircraft Finishing Systems Inc. in Montana. It's also a > water based 2 part system but has a much slower cure rate, better > adhesion, and a high gloss. I've painted two airplanes and a Wheelhorse > garden tractor with it thus far and am very pleased but I'm anxious to > see what it looks like in 2 or three years. If anyone else has any > experience with this paint or any other water reduceable alternatives > I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. If anyone is interested in this > one, here are their numbers: > > BLUE RIVER AIRCRAFT SUPPLY > Box 460 > HARVARD, NE 68944 > (403) 463-9309 > (402) 772-3651 > > Aircraft Finishing Systems Inc. - Montana > Order - 1-800-653-7200 > Tech - 1-406-682-4113 > > -- > Mark Pierce > markpi@oz.sunflower.org > PA22/20 N3817P - SWPC > Nieuport 11 N4140C - The Dawn Patrol > KR2S (future) > http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/ > > Ross wrote: > > > > Well, > > I was painting Friday night, on my back and the gun just wasn't > > doing anything. This was a really cheap Campbell Hausfield gun I bought > > for a car painting job, when I wasn't sure if I really should pay money > > for a paint gun. I guess after 10 years it was time to buy a new gun. > > I cleaned it out twice and at about 12:30 in the morning decided to > > bag it for the night. > > > > So Saturday morning I found a $60.00 touch up gun, and another (slightly > > more expensive) spray gun, and added them to the tool collection. > > I guess 10 years is long enough to discover that investing in a quality > > spray gun will pay for itself. > > > > At any rate, I cleaned, taped up and sprayed the Red stripes on the > > KR fuselage. This small gun is TERRIFIC! It's nice to be able to > > adjust the fan pattern and really get some differences! I guess I will > > be doing a better job of cleaning my new guns too. (Did I mention that > > 10 years of accumulated stuff kinda limited the preformance of my old > > paint gun?) > > > > OK, well I'd say you could paint an entire plane with the $66 gun, > > but it was on sale for $39.00. This one has an 8oz siphon cup which > > is great for smaller jobs. > > > > I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, and I like > > them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A > > perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol. > > > > -- Regards > > Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:26:18 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Painting Ed Janssen wrote: > > At 02:22 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> Ross wrote... I'm still using the System III water reducable coatings, > >and I like > >> them OK. They do require a 20min wait after mixing before use. A > >> perfect time to clean the surface with Alcohol.... > > > >Ross, I don't want to be too negative but I also used System III paint > >for a few years. Painted 7 airplanes with the stuff. These were a > >little different since they were frabric covered but we quit using it > >due to it becoming brittle and showing cracks after a couple of years. > >It was developed for fiberglass boats so maybe it's better suited for > >KRs. > >Mark Pierce > > Mark and Ross, > > I recently saw a very nice Flybaby which had been painted with system 3 and > it shows the same type of cracks in the finish. This fellow had done quite > a bit of painting, too, but had used the system 3 for the first time. He > was told by the factory that he probably didn't prepare his surfaces > properly. However, he thought he followed the directions to the letter. > Paint or painter???? > > Ed Janssen Hmmm... Darn. Well I've gotten this far... might as well finish. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: John Denver John Denver Accident Well folks, as an EAA Chapter president, it is with much sadness I will add what I have discovered on this accident. We believe John was flying an EZ he just purchased about 3 weeks ago from the Van Snow, Santa Paula, CA. This would suggest John was somewhat new in type, although I am unable to confirm this. I do know that John was a decent stick in a Christian Eagle biplane that he owns and flies. It is unknown if any aerobatic flight was involved at the time of the accident. I will say that, as we all know, the EZ is well proven by thousands of safe flight hours around the world. John was in Santa Monica, CA about 2 months ago. He tried to buy the EZ (a very nice one) of a friend of mine, but was turned down. I heard John was apparently very interested in buying an EZ immediately. Van's EZ was one of the nicest around. It was very fast. He won many of the races that Shirl Dickey sponsors each year in it. John Denver was a wonderful person. Our heartfelt condolences go out to John's family. He will be missed. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:29:50 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: John Denver Mike Filbrandt wrote: > > The news conferrence held in Salinas just reported that the craft was an > ultralight. No specific type was given. This was as of 10:30am cst. It was > stated that the engine had failed. > > Mike But then they later report (ABC news on the 'net) that the ultralight was an all fiberglass two seater... so what is it really? -- Ross ---------- > > From: Ron Lee > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: Re: KR: John Denver > > Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 7:01 AM > > > > At 07:45 97/10/13 -0500, you wrote: > > >At 05:49 AM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >>Anybody know what John Denver was flying yesterday? The news said it > was > > >>an experimental but did not say what make or model. I just hope it > > >>wasn't a KR2S or any other KR. > > >>John Roffey > > >>jeroffey@tir.com > > >> > > >Think I remember seeing a picture of Denver with a biplane of some sort. > > > > > >Ed Janssen > > > > It was reported being a Long-EZ in the Cozy net. > > > > Ron Lee - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:32:41 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Gas in Oregon Mark Langford wrote: > > RossY wrote: > > > We also can't buy self-serve Gasolene either, but hey, you can't have > > everything. > > You gotta be kiddin' me. Are you Oregonians too inept to pump gas, or did > the Gasoline Distributors Association get through to the state senate? I believe the law was passed during the gas crisis in the '70s as a backlash against the oil companies who were going to self-serve as a way to lower fuel prices. I'm not sure if it was the legislature or the public that was upset at the oil companies, but they were not going to let them cut service. Service varies, but there are one or two stations where everyone wears the uniform, they clean the windshield, and you can get your tires and oil checked regularly. I've compared the cost per gallon with the bay area in California, and don't notice much of a difference maybe 2-5c per gallon. There are times (rush hour) when it would be faster to pump your own gas, as some stations are short handed during these times, otherwise its really great when it's raining and cold outside. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:33:10 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Sanding Peter Hudson wrote: > > I've been micro-ing and sanding my other outer wing panel for days now. > Getting the spar caps faired in was a much bigger pain in the butt than > sanding the urethane. If I was doing it again (a common KR-net theme) I > would consider hot wire AND a composite spar. It woud be easier to gey > smooth at the spars and I wouldn't have those temperature induced bumps > at the spars after all that sanding. I haven't tried sculpting compound > shapes with the polystyrene but if it's that easy... well too late I'll > be out in the garage sanding some more. > > -Peter Hudson- > Ridgecrest CA Yep, it's a real pain, and if you thing you have it just right, it may still get you after you put some paint on to show up the wavyness (after glassing). I use an old body shop trick. Buy some cheap 99c (black) spraypaint and do a light dusting of the panel. Then sand. The black spots left over are the low spots. This also makes it easier to keep from sanding through layers of glass. Stop sanding when the paint is gone. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:35:49 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Registration As far as I know... You can register your KR at any time, and it must be registered before you can legally paint your N number on it. - -- Ross John F. Esch wrote: > > Ross > > I had a guy who was in my unit who works for the FAA, oops, in Hillsboro > and I'll check with him about taxes. I doubt he might know about this > but at least I can check. He says I can register my KR at any time. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR > > Ross wrote: > > > Mark, > > That's a nasty one. I registered mine a year ago, but here in > > Oregon > > we don't have state sales tax. So I guess I don't have to worry, nor > > does John. > > We also can't buy self-serve Gasolene either, but hey, you can't > > have > > everything. Here you tell that you need gas, by the bug count on your > > > > windshield in the summer, everytime you get gas you usually get the > > windshield cleaned. Sorta Pre-70's for everyone else. > > > > -- Ross > > > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > > > Will register my KR here soon > > > > also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > > > > > > John, > > > > > > Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man > > will > > > probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of > > state > > > (since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out > > of > > > state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take > > appropriate > > > action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what > > happened to > > > our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented > > with a > > > rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to > > court...and > > > he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... > > > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: John Denver John Denver Accident Well folks, as an EAA Chapter president, it is with much sadness I will add what I have discovered on this accident. We believe John was flying an EZ he just purchased about 3 weeks ago from the Van Snow, Santa Paula, CA. This would suggest John was somewhat new in type, although I am unable to confirm this. I do know that John was a decent stick in a Christian Eagle biplane that he owns and flies. It is unknown if any aerobatic flight was involved at the time of the accident. I will say that, as we all know, the EZ is well proven by thousands of safe flight hours around the world. John was in Santa Monica, CA about 2 months ago. He tried to buy the EZ (a very nice one) of a friend of mine, but was turned down. I heard John was apparently very interested in buying an EZ immediately. Van's EZ was one of the nicest around. It was very fast. He won many of the races that Shirl Dickey sponsors each year in it. John Denver was a wonderful person. Our heartfelt condolences go out to John's family. He will be missed. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:54:01 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Sanding >I use an old body shop trick. Buy some cheap 99c (black) spraypaint and >do a light dusting of the panel. Then sand. The black spots left over >are the low spots. This also makes it easier to keep from sanding >through layers of glass. Stop sanding when the paint is gone. > > -- Ross > Another option is to use a metal yardstick. Run a marker along an edge then run that over the surface. High spots will have the marker rub off on them while low spots will be clear. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:47:22 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: KITPLANES KARMIC Workshop proposal] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4A7B7C1D31D2DE922D857063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say... anyone want to go in with me on the purchase of connectors & wire to build up KARMIC harnesses? I will be taking photos and making a KARMIC KRONLINE article (I think). -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com - --------------4A7B7C1D31D2DE922D857063 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: null@list.dnc.net Received: from natasha.list.dnc.net (natasha.dnc.net [206.58.127.12]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04617 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sherman.dnc.net (sherman.dnc.net [206.58.127.11]) by natasha.list.dnc.net (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id ga087496 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:09:36 +0100 Received: from San-Jose.ate.slb.com (k2-1.San-Jose.ate.slb.com [163.185.48.3]) by sherman.dnc.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA220 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:00:41 -0700 Received: from evergreen.San-Jose.ate.slb.com (rossy-ss5.San-Jose.ate.slb.com) by San-Jose.ate.slb.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1-Z) id AA07068; Mon, 13 Oct 97 13:48:24 PDT Received: from evergreen (localhost) by evergreen.San-Jose.ate.slb.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00981; Mon, 13 Oct 97 13:47:32 PDT Sender: rossy@teleport.com Message-Id: <344288E4.52BFA1D7@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:47:32 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Organization: SABER Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: oregon-eaa@dnc.net Subject: KITPLANES KARMIC Workshop proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ListManager: majordomo@list.dnc.net - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your following message has been delivered to the 26 members of the list oregon-eaa@list.dnc.net at 14:09:36 on 13 Oct 1997. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am considering developing a workshop package for our (and other) EAA chapters around the 10/97 Aero 'Letrics article in Kitplanes magazine. The article discusses a proposed "Karmic" standard interconnect scheme that can be used to make your radio inter-changeable with other homebuilt aircraft, and homebuilt test bench setups. I am planning to order materials and tools for my project, but if I can drum up enough interest, I can buy enough materials for 10 or more "kits". This will include the molex connectors, but not the wire at this time. If I have enough interest (in paying workshop attendees.) We could have the workshop Sat Nov 1st prior to or after the 1183 Chapter meeting. I have an ohmeter and experince wiring up stuff (not avionics) beyond this don't expect me to be an expert on the topic (from the standpoint of conducting the workshop). But then I've never finished an airplane either and that hasn't stopped me either. If your interested in attending the workshop, or would like a local Oregon supply of the components drop me an email. I may be able to get a quantity discount. Otherwise, I'm just buying enough stuff for me. I estimate about $5-10.00 in materials not counting wire. -- Regards Ross mailto:rossy@teleport.com - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com - --------------4A7B7C1D31D2DE922D857063-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: member search] you can get him at owewi01@cai.com --- i think this is who you are looking for ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:18:29 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes Speaking of taxes, listen to this. I bought a Piper Cherokee jsut before retiring from the military in VA, in Dec. 1987 and moved to PA. My plane was still on the strip in VA in Jan 1988 because of the weather and was I finally flew it to PA in Feb. I received a Tax bill from VA, rebutted it and even went to AOPA, but wound up having to pay the (you know whats) or face getting my plane impounded. Moral of this stoory is look out for the revenuers! They are down right slick! After that I took it to Europe (heh, heh) and no more taxes. Rich McCall Junction City, KS Ross wrote: > Oscar, > Oregon has no sales tax... so thats no problem. I've registered > my plane with the FAA, and haven't gotten anything from the state. > I understand we are supposed to register with the State Aeronautics > board, which is somthing like $40/yr per plane, but I was also supposed > to register when I started flying here, and no-one has arrested me yet, > in fact, I had to work to dig up the forms. > I will check around with my EAA buddies to find out what the regs > are, and also what everyone is doing... not always the same thing. > At any rate, I figure I will settle all the accounts when it's time > to get the airworthy. > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes > > >From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) > > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:24 -0500 "Mark Langford" > > >writes: > > >>John, > > >> > > >>Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man > > will > > >>probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of > > state > > >>(since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out > > of > > >>state orders). > > >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > >>email at langford@hiwaay.net > > >>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >> > > >Depends on the state. Here in NM it will cost me $.02 per pound of > > >licensed gross weight until my plane reaches the ripe old age of two > > >years. Then it drops to $.015 per pound. After it's an old worn out > > >plane of 5 years old, the state cost drops to $.01 per pound for as > > long > > >as this old plane lasts. :o) They won't even pester me for sales > > taxes. > > > > > > > > >Jeff > > >------- > > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > > >jscott.pilot@juno.com > > > > HEY! You're scarin' me! What's this noise about TAXES??! Hey, Ross- > > what's the deal here in Oregon? Aren't we one of the states that still > > believes in fighting this kind of stuff? [For a while there, I thought > > you was talkin' about TEXAS... the state where I was born (and proud of > > it, too... the South will rise again!)] > > > > I would imagine that California taxes everything, regardless of country > > of origin or present location. I think they imbed microchips under > > newborn babies' skin over there, so they can track you for life and tax > > your earnings and everything else, as long as you live, and no matter > > WHERE you live... or die. > > > > I can't believe that Oregon would do the 'collect sales tax for other > > states' thing. Oh, this sinking feeling. > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, Oregon > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #126 *****************************