From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:03 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n128' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #128 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Wednesday, October 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 128 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:59:29 -0700 From: Alessandro Pecorara Subject: KR: Resin at low temperature Well, it's Fall again! Now temperature, here, is well below 70°F (that's 50 to 60°) so it's time to quit with those epoxy works. Just a question: could dry micro be less temperature sensitive? I wonder if filling glassed surfaces when temperature is a bit low, may be acceptable: glad to receive any comment. alessandro pecorara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:04:07 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: JD...again Hi, Netters- Look, I know there have been a bunch of posts here about the John Denver thing, and we can't do much but wait for NTSB, but my problem is that the chatter around the dinner table was along the lines of, "how can those things be safe?", "did you see the ball of stuff in the back of the truck, that was what was supposed to be an airplane?" (looked like when you peel the old wallpaper off your dining room when you're redoing it; blue and white scraps of stuff), "You're not going to build anything like THAT, are you?"... etc., etc. Yes, I want to fly my EXPERIMENTAL plane. I want to be the test pilot. I want to fly my friends and family in it. I want to build it safe and efficient. But, yes, things do happen. Funny, my family didn't have anything but praise and admiration for Gen. Yeager (picture on the front page of paper yesterday)... doing something CRAZY, in an EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT. And, to hear Yeager and Hoover talk about it, they were having F-U-N doing that stuff, too. I guess this post wasn't even worth your time or mine, but nobody on this end was listening to me, and you folks don't have a choice! Sorry, but my mind isn't changed at this point. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:55:45 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Resin at low temperature At 01:59 PM 10/15/97 -0700, Alessandro Pecorara wrote: >Well, it's Fall again! Now temperature, here, is well below 70=B0F (that's >50 to 60=B0) so it's time to quit with those epoxy works. Just a question: >could dry micro be less temperature sensitive? I wonder if filling >glassed surfaces when temperature is a bit low, may be acceptable: glad to receive any comment. > >alessandro pecorara > I think you may have a adhesion problem, it would be very sad to see the micro pop off after applying a beautiful paint job! Maybe contact the epoxy manufacture. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:48:08 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Stub Wing Foam and stuff Well tonight was kinda of a milestone for me, at least the visual impact of seeing what looked like a wing on the left side of my airplane made it feel like a "milestone" . I sanded down the top skin of the aux tank (it was only glassed on the inside) and installed the rest of the foam including the hot wired stuff which by the way fit ever so nicely! :o) So tomorrow night I should be able to do a little touch up sanding and apply the skin to the upper surface of the left stub! Woo Hoo!! Hopfully I will have enough time to glue the foam to the right side stub afterwards. Then maybe glass the right side on Thursday night. Friday I will try to glass the area where the horizontal and vertical meets. I am having a "flip this unit over" party this weekend and yall are invited! I want to get all the work done on the belly before I take her to the new home (Chino Airport) so I don't have to flip it over again! That way when I offload her at Chino I can get right to work on the outer wings! I have been reading the book "Speed with Economy" and I am really getting into the aerodynamic parts! I think my wing root fairings and horizontal tips should give me a mph or two. Fairing those huge gear legs in properly will also be a big help. Thinking about fairing in the tailwheel too, has anyone else considered it? Boy he really gets crazy with all his little fairings! Even the fuel vent tubes have little farings. I like his exhaust augmented airflow but I wonder how safe it would be in our little wooden wonders? I still like the updraft cooling ala Rutan. Wing tips will play an important part too, I think I will use the tips designed by Britian Norman for the BN-2-25, they are kinda funky looking but are supposed to be the best for the 23015. The -25 with these tips cruise up to 15 mph faster than the stock winged BN-2s. My friend Brad was thoroughly motivated at Copperstate, he came right home and dug out the plans to his RV-6 and started taking inventory! By the way he may have a 0-timed O-320 (160hp) for sale. He wants a 200hp injected O-360 with a constant speed prop for his RV. Picky Picky! He and his wife are having a hanger cleaning party this weekend and he wanted me to invite anyone who wants to show up! :o) Anyone have a Copperstate report? Well I guess that's all I know for now! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:02:20 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Stub Wing Foam and stuff Well tonight was kinda of a milestone for me, at least the visual impact of seeing what looked like a wing on the left side of my airplane made it feel like a "milestone" . I sanded down the top skin of the aux tank (it was only glassed on the inside) and installed the rest of the foam including the hot wired stuff which by the way fit ever so nicely! :o) So tomorrow night I should be able to do a little touch up sanding and apply the skin to the upper surface of the left stub! Woo Hoo!! Hopfully I will have enough time to glue the foam to the right side stub afterwards. Then maybe glass the right side on Thursday night. Friday I will try to glass the area where the horizontal and vertical meets. I am having a "flip this unit over" party this weekend and yall are invited! I want to get all the work done on the belly before I take her to the new home (Chino Airport) so I don't have to flip it over again! That way when I offload her at Chino I can get right to work on the outer wings! I have been reading the book "Speed with Economy" and I am really getting into the aerodynamic parts! I think my wing root fairings and horizontal tips should give me a mph or two. Fairing those huge gear legs in properly will also be a big help. Thinking about fairing in the tailwheel too, has anyone else considered it? Boy he really gets crazy with all his little fairings! Even the fuel vent tubes have little farings. I like his exhaust augmented airflow but I wonder how safe it would be in our little wooden wonders? I still like the updraft cooling ala Rutan. Wing tips will play an important part too, I think I will use the tips designed by Britian Norman for the BN-2-25, they are kinda funky looking but are supposed to be the best for the 23015. The -25 with these tips cruise up to 15 mph faster than the stock winged BN-2s. My friend Brad was thoroughly motivated at Copperstate, he came right home and dug out the plans to his RV-6 and started taking inventory! By the way he may have a 0-timed O-320 (160hp) for sale. He wants a 200hp injected O-360 with a constant speed prop for his RV. Picky Picky! He and his wife are having a hanger cleaning party this weekend and he wanted me to invite anyone who wants to show up! :o) Anyone have a Copperstate report? Well I guess that's all I know for now! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:00:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: wacko email Is it just my email or is everyone elses wacko too? A lot of the posts I am sending to krnet are not showing up and I am getting double, double posts from some users. I have only received about 10 post in the last five days, Whats up? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:17:44 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: wacko email Micheal Mims wrote: > > Is it just my email or is everyone elses wacko too? A lot of the posts I am > sending to krnet are not showing up and I am getting double, double posts > from some users. I have only received about 10 post in the last five days, > Whats up? Me too. At first I thought it was just America Offline, but now I'm seeing it from "reliable" ISP's. Looks like it's majordummy lists that are affected, but then that's 90% of my traffic anyway. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:15:36 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: JD...again At 07:04 AM 10/15/97 PDT, Oscar Zuniga wrote: >Hi, Netters- > >Look, I know there have been a bunch of posts here about the John Denver thing, and we can't do much but wait for NTSB, but my problem is that the chatter around the dinner table was along the lines of, "how can >those things be safe?", Man I know where your coming from! If I hear another dumb question from the people at work my head is going to explode! I am glad my wife grew up in a military aviation family and is a fairly bright individual! Her first reaction was "How the heck did HE break a LongEZ" , I guess I should consider myself lucky to have a wife that's in the know! Yes the NTSB will sooner or later come to a conclusion, we all have our guesses but that's all they are,...guesses! I think aerobatics could have played a part but you would have to really lean on an EZ to break it with only one up! Oh well hang in there, 1000's of EXERIMENTALS fly every day and crash less often than spam cans. PS When someone ask you about all the little pieces, remind them of all the little pieces of the Jumbo Jet off the shores of New York. Aircraft are not designed to dive vertically into the ocean at 300+mph! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:41:37 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: John Denver Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: BSHADR@aol.com > Most of us have been down this road before with > the media (remember, it is LA) so we have a decent damage control system in > place. > > The word on the street as far as dealing with the media was: > > Scaled Composites - Said - Don't give the media anything (not my preference). > > EAA OSH - Said - Be honest and positive, don't talk dirt, let the NTSB do > their job and report back. > > Klaus Savier (sp?) put Van and John together in the sale of this aircraft. > > We arranged for local EZ pilots to be interviewed by the Media, again as an > on going effort at damage control. We took a pounding in Santa Monica when > the instructor Jessica was riding with augered in and as such, try to keep > the positive information flowing for the press to see (even if they do not > use it). The press I spoke with didn't use my comment about why guys choose > to build their own planes using current technology, rather than buy a new 30 > year factory airplane at 10 times the price. He mumbled something about that > not being sexy enough...(sigh) Well done! Ottawa is not the hotbed in Canada for aviation, but we are often, as not, the testing ground for new procedures being considered for use in Canada's airspace. The media seems to have my name in their book and I have often taken reporters up for a ride so thay can judge for themselves. I try not to editorialize when within earshot of a reporter unless I have been briefed by others with better knowledge of the situation than I. When we went bilingual (french English) a reporter asked to be taken up to see how hairy flying in the zone would be with 2 languages (he spoke Eng only). The day was at VFR Minimums for vis with lots of heat induced turbulence. There were 7 or 8 aircraft in the zone at the time, 4 of which spoke english, the others were french and on another tower frequency so I knew they were there but didn't know where "there" was. After about 10 minutes of this, the reporter asked me where all the traffic was. I responded that I knew where 4 of them were because I could hear them reporting positions to the tower, but I didn't know where the french aircarft were because they were reporting on another frequency. No problem for me as I knew ATC would keep us separated. When an aircraft passed 500 feet below us at right angles to our track, and without warning from ATC, the reporter had had enough. His report, favoring the pilots point of view, was further enhanced by the statement made by a Transport Canada official who stated that the Department was commtted to bilingualizm and didn't care at all if pilots had a warm fuzzy feeling when flying in the zone. Power of the press I guess. Actions speak louder than words, and sometimes silence speaks volumes. (Not to start a debate on Bilingualizm. Just an example of haw the press can hurt/help a situation. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:44:12 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: JD...again Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Oscar Zuniga > I guess this post wasn't even worth your time or mine, but nobody on > this end was listening to me, and you folks don't have a choice! > > Sorry, but my mind isn't changed at this point. As Fraser says, "I'm listening." And I get the same reaction frmo the family... and my mind is not changed either. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: LVav8r@aol.com Subject: KR: Copperstate Report and some progress for a change! Michael Mims asked for a Copperstate Report so I'll relate what I saw. I got there Saturday at about 12:20 and the only KR I saw there was just about to leave. I did meet up with Jeff Scott and another KRNetter, sorry your name escapes me now. We talked KR's and homebuilts all afternoon. Seemed to be a pretty good turnout of planes of most kinds. And the auto power guys ( Swag Aero, Ross Aero, Belted Air Power etc. ) were well represented. A fair number of auto powered planes had flown in, and a few trailered in as well. I camped out at the airport and left Sunday around noon cause lots of planes were leaving and it started to look a little deserted compared to Saturday. Also the loooong drive back to Vegas prompted me to get going a little earlier than I had planned. Actually the drive made me wish my plane was finished already. Took me 7 hours to drive 300 miles ( mostly curvey two lane with lots of slow pokes mixed in with lots of crazed speeders, one actually passed me on a hill with a double yellow line and I was doing 10 mph over the speed limit! ) So I actually went out to the garage and started working on the project again. The temp is finally down into the mid to upper 80's during the day out there so I sanded off the excess T-88 of my first side pannel and laid out the longerons and cut a few verticals for the second pannel. Mabey I'll have the boat together by Thanksgiving. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com KR-2S 2% complete __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Copperstate Dash, etc. KRNetters: From the Dragonfly list, written by Nate Rambo Enjoy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prelim results of Copperstate Dash held this past weekend interesting. Race was from Apple Valley,CA, to Coolidge,AZ, southeast of FeeNicks. Three Flys and three other acft ran in the low HP experimental group. Pat Panzera was there for encouragement. A slick little one-off single seater called Comos skunked us all; it was very slippery, quite small, and had a C75 which turned about 2900 RPM (really putting it out of our 75 HP limit). John Mason smoked to second in the Evans Fly, less than one minute behind was Larry Brown who took third in his bent-wing Fly. Our friend Dave Carlson cut me out of fourth with his 2180 Q-2, and my starry Fly snuck in 5th. It was great fun and comradary. After landing at Coolidge, fueling and draining pilot's tanks we headed up to Williams-Gateway for the fly-in. Brad Hall and Stan Moleski joined us there later Friday in Brad's beauty. We had lots of fun. It was a darn good show with professional and military aerobatics plus some really good forums. We spoke with a whole gang of Dragonfly builders and other interesting persons at the show. Most of the Phoenix gang was there. The winds and turbulence were wild for return to the coast. Mason gave up and decided to stay in Tucson Monday hoping to get better conditions Monday. I'm not sure if every body else got home Sunday. I did but I'm recovering from a four hours of apprehension (spelled "headwinds and turbulence") in the air. The trip home sorta sucked! Nately ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: wacko email In a message dated 97-10-15 10:12:51 EDT, Mike wrote: << Is it just my email or is everyone elses wacko too? A lot of the posts I am sending to krnet are not showing up and I am getting double, double posts from some users. I have only received about 10 post in the last five days, Whats up? >> Mike: I assumed you had just come home from Starbucks!!! Not so? Seemed normal to me. That reminds me Mike, am I suppose to be Frick or am I Frack? I get confused... Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: John Denver In a message dated 97-10-15 00:51:06 EDT, Mike wrote: << Actually I think it maybe just like me! Just ask Randy, he has accused me of shooting then asking if it hurt! :-[ >> Mike: What I said was, you are just like my wife, she enters a room, opens up with her Uzi, then interrogates the cadaevers... Randy (always ducking for cover) Stein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:52:16 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Newbie with 1/2 vw question >Hello All, >I'm a newbie to this list. My primary interests are vw and 1/2 vw. I >have been reading the list archives re: 1/2 vw balancing and have a >quick question. >Say I have a two bladed propeller. Should I mount the propeller with >the blades in the plane of the crank throws or perpendicular to that >plane? >Sid I think Sid has a valid question here. How 'bout it anyone? Jeff? Bobby? Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:08:45 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: KR: Antennas revisited Hi folks! I would like to know from the antenna specialists out there in the crowd how to set up a VHF antenna which will connect to my King KX-99 handheld radio in a KR. I have the proper coax and have the correct BNC connector at the radio end of the wire. At the antenna end of the coax I have a normal VHF whip-type hard wire antenna that came off another airplane, and a pair of ceramic insulators. I plan on mounting the antenna behind the pilot, mounted upsidedown on an interior plywood mount, which will leave the whip antenna pointed down inside the fuselage. I know the antenna gets soldered to the center wire of the coax. The braided shield is then twisted a little bit and soldered to a "ground plane" plate, right? OK. Then the questions I have are: 1. What size should this "ground plane" plate be (12"x12"?), 2. what material can I use for this plate (self-adhesive aluminum?), 3. and about what vicinity to the whip part of the antenna should this plate be mounted (in other words, how far away from the whip should this plate be)? BNC ,----------. whip coax / []==============================================: \ +------------------+ \ ground \ \ plane \ \ plate \ +------------------+ Thanks very much for your guidance. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:29:04 From: Troy Johnson Subject: KR: Copperstate Hey guys! It is I, the "other" krnetter Tom K. was reffering to in his update. Jeff S., Tom and I were apparently the only netters who could make it, we met up with a couple guys from Tuscon, Charlie and Al, last names unknown, Charlie we may eventually hear from on the net. Sounds like they are well into their projects and may try for Perry next year. The only Kr to show up was a KR-2 built in 1980. It definitely had the wear and tear of a 17 year old plane. For those of you talking recently about paint color, this one was yellow with a couple of what I think were brown stripes. Correct me if I'm wrong guys. It was powered by a "Revmaster 2100/ Great Planes combo" with a Posa carb. It appeared to perform quite well when it left on Saturday. I was most interested in the Jabiru engine on display in the vendor booth. This thing is clean, compact and appears to be well made. Everything is machined except for the oil sump which is cast. Yes, it is expensive. But 80hp at 123lbs all up, that includes exhaust, muffler and cooling fairings, and the fact that it is an engine designed for aircraft, not a derivative of a snowmobile engine makes it very attractive, at least to me. They also had the JPX on display, but at 10,000, I will stick to the VW it is based from. There wer some good forums, one I sat in on talked about the Soob's using direct drive instead of PSRU's. Sounds pretty possible but HP to weight is low unless Turbocharged then you do need the PSRU. Anyhoo, that is the Reader's Digest condensed version of my observations of Copperstate. If anyone has any specific questions let me know.....Troy If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:32:16 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: John Denver At 12:35 PM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-15 00:51:06 EDT, Mike wrote: > ><< Actually I think it maybe just like me! Just ask Randy, he has accused me > of shooting then asking if it hurt! :-[ >> > >Mike: > >What I said was, you are just like my wife, she enters a room, opens up with >her Uzi, then interrogates the cadaevers... > Well I knew it was something like that, I guess one bad impression can last a life time! Bummer for me and JD! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:35:26 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Antennas revisited At 10:08 AM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi folks! I would like to know from the antenna specialists out there in the >crowd how to set up a VHF antenna which will connect to my King KX-99 handheld >radio in a KR. Ed if someone response to you personally please share it! I also would like to know the answers to your questions! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:44:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Copperstate At 10:29 AM 10/15/97, you wrote: There were some good forums, one I sat in on talked about the Soob's using >direct drive instead of PSRU's. Sounds pretty possible but HP to weight is >low unless Turbocharged then you do need the PSRU. > Are you saying if you turbo the subaru you need a PSRU or are you saying if you don't turbo it you need a PSRU to get good HP? I think the only way the Subaru should be considered for DD is to turbo it, otherwise as you mentioned its to heavy for the amount of HP it develops. A turbo DD E-81 is making about 80 to 90 HP and is a pretty nice setup. A naturally aspirated E-81 with DD and max rpm of 3700 would only make about 60 to 65 hp and weigh somewhere close to 200 pounds (if you were lucky) I have investigated the Soob with a very open mind and to me the proof is in the performance, DD Turbo is the way to go on these smaller, fast, light homebuilts! But that's an old horse! Mike "KR290" Mims ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:44:52 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: John Denver John Roffey wrote: > > Robert Covington > Isn't strange or basicly human to have everyone who knows that you are > building or are interested in "Home Made" airplanes has something to > offer when news strikes in the media of a celebrity/aviation event? > We woke up to the news this morning of the John Denver incident and my > wife was the first of many to-day to ask "Are you still going to build > that Home Made airplane"? > Answer "Yes I am". > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com I also have found this to be true. The first I heard about the incident was an email I recieved Monday morning. The message was an email from a friend in Phoenix, telling me that thes peculation was that John Denver was killed in an experimental airplane. As this was the first I heard of it so my email reply was... Was John Denver killed? Then I went and did a network search to find out what the word was. My father called last night to chat about it. We had a good talk about it. As far as I can tell now, being an experimental aircarft may not have been a major factor in the accident. It sounds like an engine out incident, but we may never know. Hopefully the NTSB will get to do a bang up job and give us some good data. My 12 year old daughter has a good perspective on this. She observed that John was killed doing somthing he loved to do. This seems much better than dying in a car accident, or of a terrible illness. Although she worries that this could happen to me, she knows that flying is somthing I love to do and there are worse ways to go. Harry Chapin was another singer who was killed tragicly when a Semi- truck smashed into the back of his taxi while he was on the freeway. People knew I owned a car and drove then, but no-one emailed me to tell me that they speculate he was driving a "FORD". -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:52:06 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Painting Mark, Thanks for the encouragement. I still like the paint and would recommend it... we shall see what I say in three years. I taped for black stripes an N numbers last night... hopefully I will spray some black today! -- Ross Mark Pierce wrote: > > >Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > Mark, > > > > Thanks for the comments! > > I noticed the spanning problem last night, it spans over the striping > > tape. Yuck. But it looks like a tough film of paint. > > > > I still like a water reducable system better than having to deal > > with temperature chosen reducers. We shall see in a couple of years > > how it looks. > > > > -- Ross > > Ross, I wouldn't get too excited yet. System III really is tough stuff > and my guess is that when used over a solid surface like the surfaces on > your KR it will do just fine. > > -- > Mark Pierce > markpi@oz.sunflower.org > PA22/20 N3817P - SWPC > Nieuport 11 N4140C - The Dawn Patrol > KR2S (future) > http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/ - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:54:10 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Lowered GPS price/ Headset Question. John, I thought real hard about this. The FBO where I rented lets you have a headset for free with the rental. I've had Telex, some other cheap headset and then a David Clark... I decided after querying the net, the EAA chapter and everyone else who would listen that the David Clarks were worth the extra $$$. So that's what I've got. I haven't worn them but 6 or 7 times since I bought them however. -- Ross John Bouyea wrote: > > Sorry Ross. I'm got nothing but bad to say about FlightComms. I have 3 > sets and all 3 sets have been back to the factory 3 times. I've paid for > repairs each time. When will I learn? > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - skinning the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon > > ---------- > snip > > > > I looked hard at the Flightcom Eclipse and was going to get one of those > > as they are an Oregon based company, (all other things being equal), I > > also got some good reviews of the Peltor headset. Both of these were > > around $170 or so. > > > > -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:04:30 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: John Denver At 10:44 AM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Harry Chapin was another singer who was killed tragicly when a Semi- >truck smashed into the back of his taxi while he was on the freeway. >People knew I owned a car and drove then, but no-one emailed me to >tell me that they speculate he was driving a "FORD". > > -- Ross > I like this one Ross!! I really do! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: JD...again In a message dated 97-10-15 10:28:10 EDT, Mike wrote: << When someone ask you about all the little pieces, remind them of all the little pieces of the Jumbo Jet off the shores of New York. Aircraft are not designed to dive vertically into the ocean at 300+mph! >> Rutan suggested he may have had a midair with a pelican (I can assure you, that part of the CA coast has plenty of pelicans flying about). Loose a cannard = straight down Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:07:05 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:11:12 > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >From: Ron Lee > >Subject: Re: KR: "Prming foam" for fiberglass wet layup > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > > > > >>When I first read this I was thinking, "Wouldn't it weaken the bond > between > >>skin and foam?" But if the bond strength is actually unimportant, why > not do > >>it? In fact, if the bond strength is unimportant, why even use a > waterproof > >>glue? Dilute Elmer's glue mixed with micro would fill the foam as > well as > >>aliphatic resin glue. > >> > > > >I would not assume that foam to fiberglass bond strength is > unimportant. > >At least in the Long-EZ, debonds of the foam fiberglass are to be fixed > > > >Ron Lee > > > >> > >>Mike Taglieri > >> > >> > > > > Okay, again- from a NON-expert; in reading (yes, READING, Randy!) about > this topic in composite design books, there is reference to peel > strength. I guess the importance is if you start to get a delamination > or some damage somewhere, you really don't want that to allow that whole > section of skin to peel off the airframe. So, although the skin itself > is quite strong, if it's not well bonded to the structure beneath, a > little problem could quickly become a big one? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon In the case of the KR, having a bond to the foam might be nice, but the critical bond is the spar-cap to the glass, not the foam to glass. - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:17:05 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Kitplanes subscription My daughter sells magazine subscriptions for her school every year. I'm pretty skeptical about the pricing of these fund raising things but this year I compared and saved about $10 on my kitplanes subscription renewal. Keep on the lookout for those kids in your neighborhood, and sign up with them. I think I paid $17 or so. ... if you don't find one by next year... let me know, and I can sell my daughter some more magazines then. It's too late for this year. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:23:43 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: JD...again On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:04:03 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-15 10:28:10 EDT, Mike wrote: > ><< When someone ask you about all the little pieces, remind them of all = the > little pieces of the Jumbo Jet off the shores of New York. Aircraft = are not > designed to dive vertically into the ocean at 300+mph! >> > >Rutan suggested he may have had a midair with a pelican (I can assure = you, >that part of the CA coast has plenty of pelicans flying about). =20 > >Loose a cannard =3D straight down > >Randy Sounds good to me. I remember hearing reports of eyewitnesses saying something about birds scattering when it hit the water! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building Stretched, Widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:20:13 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: John Denver > > I agree with Michael! Can we quit trying to guess why he crashed? He > shouldn't have even been flying since his license was revoked last > year! Let's let this thread die also. I don't care why people think > it might have crashed. I will wait to find out what the FAA and the > NTSB finds out. > > Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P > Claremore, OK His license was revoked? Thats news to me. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:25:31 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Here goes again. The gentelman I knew was Harry Boccum and he was from Mesa Az. His Long-Eze was world class quality. -- Ross TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: > > i also have seen a long ez painted yellow here in WA. at arlington air show, > the owner said he had not had any trouble with heat and yes it did look good. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:26:22 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: engine for sale] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3B54AFBF7D55368C102F11D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com - --------------3B54AFBF7D55368C102F11D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: dbodily@konnections.com Received: from konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [207.173.185.11]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10228 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbodily.konnections.com (ip185-201.konnections.com [207.173.185.201]) by konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA23676 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710142046.OAA23676@konnections.com> From: "Daniel K. Bodily" To: Subject: engine for sale Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:52:54 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Revmaster 2100d with 0 time on it . asking $3000.00 for it . If you can would please put this out on the net to the members. Thank you very much Daniel K. Bodily dbodily@konnections.com - --------------3B54AFBF7D55368C102F11D5-- ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #128 *****************************