From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:07 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n136' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, October 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 136 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:09:56 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy At 10:19 AM 10/20/97 -0400, Horn2004@aol.com wrote: Been kicking myself every time I use it for not doing >it earlier. It's easy, fast, efficient and will most certainly pay for itself >in the long run (based on the amount of epoxy you DON'T waste on each batch). > >Steve Horn Yes those pumps are great huh!? Expesially when you put them in a card board box with a light bulb, then the epoxy really flows nicely! On wasting epoxy, hey guys keep a bottle of isopropyl alcohol handy and thin your left over epoxy and paint it on your boat and other bare wood. There is an awful lot of wood to be sealed before you can truly say you wasted epoxy! Heck I still find areas that need sealed! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:15:53 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription At 06:43 AM 10/20/97 PDT, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Have your daughter put me on the waiting list for Kitplanes too... worth a 1-yr. trial. (Sorry, >Mike Mims. I'm a reader!) > >Oscar Zuniga Oh,.. I am too Oscar, but lately books like "Speed with Economy" are found on the back of the porcelain perch, and Kitplanes is wrapped around the toilet paper dispenser! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:20:20 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: http://www.krnet.org At 08:38 AM 10/20/97 -0700, Ross Youngblood wrote: After all, KRNET is yours >I just keep the mail flowing. (At the moment we are limited to 5Mb... I have to figure out how much $$$ to lay out for additional storage, or we could link over to the stuff at John's site. etc.) > >The site is paid up for 1 year, the domain name www.krnet.org is >paid up for 2 years. > > Your donations at work This is great news! I will post a link from my web site. Should we decide on a common logo or something? I really like the one Carlos designed (its on my web site), it can be seen at: http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/krlogo.gif It looks cool and the spinning globe represents our global coverage! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:51:38 +0200 From: "PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE'" Subject: KR: KR HAPI Engines HI GUYS Thanks for all the imput refrence the HAPI engine. I have a few further requests(give me the hand and I'll take the arm) 1)The book "HOW TO BUILD A RELIABLE AIRCRAFT ENGINE" seems to be a must have, does anybody have or know somebody (too many body's) that has a copy they would be willing to sell me or dare I say send me a copy. 2)Please post Steve Bennett's E-Mail address for me. Thanks Again Kind Regards ANTON FOUCHE' The largest ant on the planet P-I-F@pixie.co.za From South "BIG SKY" Africa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:54:08 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines Let me know your specific needs, I think we can help. S. Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:01:57 +0200 From: "PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE'" Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines Thanks Steve I'm getting the plane and all to my place on wednesday evening, as soon as I've stripped down the engine I'll let you know what I'm needing and I'm sure I'll have to pick your brain a bit. Regards Ant - ---------- > From: Steve Bennett > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines > Date: 20`20, October 20, 1997 01:54 > > Let me know your specific needs, I think we can help. S. Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:36:45 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse Mark Langford and others, The Creative Composites newsletter (from Fibre Glast) is touting Vinyl Ester as the coolest thing since space travel! Someone has to volunteer to do a Vinyl Ester class at next years gathering. Unfortunantly it wont help me an Mark (we should be done with our projects) but obviously this is the direction of things to come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: KR: Re: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy In a message dated 10/20/97 10:22:09 AM, you wrote: <> My kid's swingset is now sealed up entirely with the crappy Epon resin that RR sells. Then a couple coats of spar varnish for UV protection. Works much better on swingsets than it does on aircraft applications. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:55:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse I rather thought the best part of the news letter was the article on Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. Just imagine what he would have been able to do if he had discovered polyurethane foam and didn't have to use all of that plaster for his male molds. I guess I am dating myself, I grew up drooling over his designs in the Car Magazines of my youth. I think I will stick with epoxy after reading about markss trials, tribulations and smells of Vinyl Ester. Now if we can get a SAFE-T-Ester resin that has been de-skunked I might be able to get it past my sniffer tester wife ;-) Seriously (read boring) it does seem to have a lot of plusses. Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Micheal Mims wrote: > Mark Langford and others, > > The Creative Composites newsletter (from Fibre Glast) is touting Vinyl Ester > as the coolest thing since space travel! Someone has to volunteer to do a > Vinyl Ester class at next years gathering. Unfortunantly it wont help me an > Mark (we should be done with our projects) but obviously this is the > direction of things to come. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:22:52 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: http://www.krnet.org Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Howdy! > > I tested it this morning and our new domain http://www.krnet.org is > alive! > > This should make it easier for folks to find us. > > The webpage is under construction... but I hope to have it cleaned > up by the end of the week. Ross, The pic's didn't come up on my browser. Have you uploaded them yet? The krnet.org domain is a great idea. I see many questions on r.a.h about KR's and I usually refer them to KRNet. This gives me a central URL to send them to. Thanx, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:58:35 -0400 From: Robert Moreland Subject: KR: new?, better? T4 vw conversion. (View this document with a non-proportional spaced font.) I'm new to the group and am so glad to be in your cyber-company. I have a KR under construction. Here is my concept for the prop hub to convert the vw T4 for KR use. I have never heard of anyone using a similar design and would appreciate your comments and additions to my list of "advantages", "concerns" and "alternatives". +--+ | | 1/4 x 5" diameter steel plate for prop hub. | | | | | | | | Flywheel hub cut out of stock flywheel. | | ------- | | | | || | | \ | |/ | | | --------| | | | | | |-------------------------------------------+ |=======---- |--| | | | |--+--+-------------------------------------------+-----+------- | | | 5 - 12x140mm, 1.5mm pitch bolts cut to 120mm. \\\\\\\| |--+--+-------------------------------------------+-----+------- |--| | | |14 mm of | | | |threads | | ----C/L---- | |into stock | | 3.5"l x 2.5"d solid 2024 T4 spacer | |vw T4. |--| | | |crank |--+--+-------------------------------------------+-----+------- | | | 12x140mm \\\\\\\| |--+--+-------------------------------------------+-----+------- |--| | | | | |-------------------------------------------+ |=======----- | | | | | | | --------| | | / | |\ | | | | ||oil seal. | | -------- | | | | | | | | | | | | +--+ If anyone is interested in commissioning (or doing?) the machine work for a batch of these, send me an e-mail. Perhaps in numbers, we can keep the cost down. So far the parts cost is: Aluminum round 11.88 5 metric bolts 40.00 (They are apparently rare and dear.) steel plate 8.97 For the rest of the engine, I intend to keep everything stock except for a set of 104mm jugs. Advantages: 1. The prop is driven from the end of the crank designed for carrying loads. 2. The aluminum spacer places the prop where the cowling can be stream-lined and accommodate the mounting flange of the engine. 3. No welding is needed. Low fabrication cost. 3. Turning the engine around allows a plug-in magneto to be placed further back where it can be buried under the cowling. 4. The 8 studs on the front of the engine can be used to mount the engine directly to the firewall saving dollars and complications. (My KISS designs for rubber vibration dampeners and supplemental support will follow.) 5. Simple, light weight. Concerns: 1. Will the extension act like a lever to amplify the bending forces? 2. The crank is well designed to carry side loads because of the large bearings. Can it also carry bending loads? Possibilities / alternatives: 1. Would it be better to replace the aluminum spacer with a piece of 2.75" dia, .25" wall tube? Best regards, Robert Moreland ranland@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:02:07 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: KR HAPI Engines >2)Please post Steve Bennett's E-Mail address for me. > >Thanks Again >Kind Regards >ANTON FOUCHE' Anton, Steve Bennet's address is: gpasc@worldnet.att.net Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: http://www.krnet.org ross, do you know if duncan aviation engines is still around or who is doing the mazda engines now? thanks tandem2@aol.com john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:09:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse is there a e-mail address or web site for that newsletter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:07:08 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Wisconsin KR's >on the list for about 1-1/2 months. I was just wondering if there are any >other KR builders or owners in my area. I'm near La Crosse, Wi. Any info on >others around here would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanx in advance. > >Blue Skies, > >Mike Filbrandt Mike, Here's a Wisconsin list for starters: Merton Bak RR 3 Baraboo WI 53913-9803 Karl Bergh 609 N Center Avenue Viroqua WI 54665-1216 William & Carole Clapp 995 65th Avenue Roberts WI 54023-8320 Russel Eide 995 E Main Street Mondovi WI 54755-1721 James Hagen 413 Crestwood Street Black River Falls WI 54615-9103 Bennett Ludtke SH3614 Catlin Road Loyal WI 54446-9645 Duane Nobs PO Box 8 La Valle WI 53941-0008 Earl Peterson 1331 Adrial Boulevard Fort Atkinson WI 53538 Ferdinand Timler 42 W Grand Street Chilton WI 53014-1131 Clyde Wetherbee 817 Evans Street Waupaca WI 54981-2031 Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: new?, better? T4 vw conversion. In a message dated 97-10-20 16:05:56 EDT, Robert wrote: << I'm new to the group and am so glad to be in your cyber-company. I have a KR under construction. Here is my concept for the prop hub to convert the vw T4 for KR use. I have never heard of anyone using a similar design and would appreciate your comments and additions to my list of "advantages", "concerns" and "alternatives". >> Robert: Welcome aboard. Fresh meat for us to ravage is always appreciated... :-) You need to go surf a bit on the KR Websites. I think you'll find Steve Bennett, Steve Wittman and some of the other VW nuts are working in this direction. I have a jpg of Steve's design that I can send you if you are interested. If I understand your approach correctly, my concern is the gyro disc loads the extension will see and tansfer to the crank. Steve (and others in satellite skunk works departments) are looking at a bell housing type of extension to allow a nose pc additional bearing out at the prop to solve the problem I mention. Weight increase is a consideration though. Don't let any of this stop the collective IQ pot from continuing to bubble. We may just end up brewing a better VW adaptation. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:23:19 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 10:19 AM 10/20/97 -0400, Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > Been kicking myself every time I use it for not doing > >it earlier. It's easy, fast, efficient and will most certainly pay for itself > >in the long run (based on the amount of epoxy you DON'T waste on each batch). > > > >Steve Horn > > Yes those pumps are great huh!? Expesially when you put them in a card > board box with a light bulb, then the epoxy really flows nicely! > > On wasting epoxy, hey guys keep a bottle of isopropyl alcohol handy and thin > your left over epoxy and paint it on your boat and other bare wood. There > is an awful lot of wood to be sealed before you can truly say you wasted > epoxy! Heck I still find areas that need sealed! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mike, what about the weight of the left-over epoxy on the boat? I thought it would be lighter to spray a marine varnish on the inside of the boat after it was complete to seal it. Any comments from those who are complete and flying? CC?Bobby, Adrian etc. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:35:21 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse At 07:09 PM 10/20/97 -0400, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >is there a e-mail address or web site for that newsletter > http://www.fibreglast.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:03:12 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Rand/Robinson Epoxy Earlier this week an e-mail was asking for information on the availability of a 1 to 1 epoxy. I had thought R/R epoxy was 1 to 1 ratio but since no one mentioned it I'm puzzled. Is it not acceptable to use it to apply the glass cloth? Did I miss something? Your comments, please. Thanks. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:58:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Rand/Robinson Epoxy At 06:03 PM 10/20/97 -0700, Robert Maniss wrote: >Earlier this week an e-mail was asking for information on the >availability of a 1 to 1 epoxy. I had thought R/R epoxy was 1 to 1 >ratio but since no one mentioned it I'm puzzled. Is it not acceptable >to use it to apply the glass cloth? Did I miss something? Your >comments, please. Thanks. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX > Your right RR epoxy is 1 to 1 and can be used in fiberglass work. If you have RR epoxy and haven't opened it yet I would send it back! It is absolutely the worst epoxy I have had the pleasure to work with! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:06:34 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Electronic ignition I just got my Electromotive catalog today, if you don't have one do yourself a favor and get one! A complete bolt on ignition (that is 100% programmable) for a type 1 VW cost around $540! I plan on running one of these units on my O-290 along with a magneto for when the power goes out! The kit that could be used on the Lyc's or Continentals goes for about $475. They even have a dual ignition unit for $700! Compare that to two rebuilt mags! You gots to have one of these units, they are what's up in the auto racing world! Electromotive Inc 9131 Centerville Road Manassas VA 20110 703.331.0100 http://www.electromotive-inc.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:22:53 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: where to level? Thank you everyone for the quick response to my wing incidence question. My next problem is where to level the banana boat? Bought an electronic level this weekend and blocked the fuselage into position. I took Marks advise and leveled between the spar locations from front to back on both sides. They came out within about 2/64 inch of each other. 1 side was higher and 1 side was lower than level so I tried to split the difference. Then I leveled at the main spar location left to right and got this exact. Then I measured the firewall for plumb and it was off by about 1/32 inch. Is this close enough or should I prefer one measurement location over the other? Thank you again. Alan (not experienced enough to help other) Moat Flowery Branch taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:20:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Pitch Trim Well I bought the parts to build my pitch trim today, I am going with the same system that is on the LongEZ. I dug out my EZ plans and drew up a version that will work on the KR. It is basically a spring system with a lever that has a friction lock. Move the lever forward to trim the nose down and back to trim nose up. The whole system consist of four nylon pulleys, two trim springs, about 5 feet os 1/16 cable and cable ends, and the aluminum lever that will be mounted on the lower part of the cockpit on the left side (just below throttle and mixture). My mind is in overdrive figuring out how to make it work on the ailerons too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse micheal, thanks for the info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:46:58 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: full page scanner Ross I received my 32-bit full page color scanner this last Friday. Still playing with to see what it can do but I am having problems figuring out how to say the pictures to files so at a later time I can send them via Internet. I will just keep playing and of course read the instructions. Oh, I bought it for $162.00 but won't tell you where from...well maybe. John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Willard561@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: new?, better? T4 vw conversion. Will you please send me a copy of your jpg? Bill HIgdon Willard561@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:51:33 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Pitch Trim >Well I bought the parts to build my pitch trim today, I am going with the >same system that is on the LongEZ. I dug out my EZ plans and drew up a >version that will work on the KR. It is basically a spring system with a >lever that has a friction lock. Move the lever forward to trim the nose >down and back to trim nose up. The whole system consist of four nylon >pulleys, two trim springs, about 5 feet os 1/16 cable and cable ends, and >the aluminum lever that will be mounted on the lower part of the cockpit on >the left side (just below throttle and mixture). >Micheal Mims Could you draw us up a little sketch of the trim system? It would be a lot easier for me to envision, and it sounds like a good system. Thanks, Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:53:20 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition >I just got my Electromotive catalog today, if you don't have one do yourself >a favor and get one! A complete bolt on ignition (that is 100% >programmable) for a type 1 VW cost around $540! >http://www.electromotive-inc.com/ >Micheal Mims Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the one from J.C.Whitney for $100? Thanks. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:02:34 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition At 05:53 PM 10/20/97 -0700, enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: >Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the one from J.C.Whitney for $100? >Thanks. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > Well the one from Electromotive is race proven and fully adjustable, it also provides you with two separate coils and is crank triggered (no distributor required) and last but not least the words J.C. Whitney scare me! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:09:46 -0700 From: Tom Brown Subject: Re: KR: Wisconsin KR's Mike Filbrandt wrote: > > I bought a KR-1 project a while back that I am working on & have been here > on the list for about 1-1/2 months. I was just wondering if there are any > other KR builders or owners in my area. I'm near La Crosse, Wi. Any info on > others around here would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanx in advance. > > Blue Skies, > > Mike Filbrandt Mike I'm from the Wausau area and am building a KR2S. The summer months I have built in my garage in Wausau but now that the temp is going down I will be moving the project to Black River Falls, WI. closer to Hatfield if you know where that is. I have a heated garage there and can continue to work on the project through the winter months. I have both fuselage sides completed and up on the jig board ready to go into the boat stage. How far are you on your project? Hope maybe we can get together someday and talk KRs. Tom Brown tbrown@pcpros.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:25:06 -0400 From: Benjamin Harvey Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition Micheal Mims wrote: > > I just got my Electromotive catalog today, if you don't have one do yourself > a favor and get one! Not to be a stick in the mud after lurking for so long but I would thing twice before getting a Electromotive ignition system. I am not familiar with the VW line but I have heard several negative comments about their standard line of fuel injection and ignition products. I have been involved with the Formula SAE competition for a few year. This competition is centered around the design a fabriacation of a small formula style race car. The majority of the team used 600cc sportbike engines as a powerplant which have fuel injection systems retrofitted to them. The teams that I have spoken to that have used Electomotive products in the past have complained about consumer support and technical expertise. One incident that I remember is a team that was unable to even get there engine to start when they switched over to the Electromotive unit. They had purchase the entire kit both sensor and sender for the company so they could believed there couldn't be any compatibility problems. The trying getting some helpful suggesting from Electromotive people and they said that they hand incorrectly installed the pick trigger. They made the adjustment and the engine still won't start. They tried narrowing the trigger gap and with that they were able to get it to run but not very well. Again they ask Electromotive for help but they directed the problem to their installation. In the end it was found that the company had supplied the wrong pickup. The team bought the product from another source because Electromotive refused to correct the mistake. This is one of my reason for being hesitant about Electromotive, please take all of this with a grain of salt since I can't personally valid the story. On the positive side I've also heard that the Electomotive systems programs very easily and have a user friendly graphical interface for the injection and ignition map adjustments. If your looking for computer controlled ignition systems Haltech is another company that makes products similar to Electromotive. My experience with them has been very good both with their product and service. If anyone wants their address I can email it to them. Ben Harvey, Want-a-be KR-2S builder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:48:20 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition At 09:25 PM 10/20/97 -0400, Benjamin Harvey wrote: >Not to be a stick in the mud after lurking for so long but I would thing >twice before getting a Electromotive ignition system. I am not familiar >with the VW line but I have heard several negative comments about their >standard line of fuel injection and ignition products. > >I have been involved with the Formula SAE competition for a few year. >This competition is centered around the design a fabriacation of a small >formula style race car. Good stuff! Thanks for the advanced warning. Aint this internet stuff great! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:23:00 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:35:21 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:09 PM 10/20/97 -0400, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >>is there a e-mail address or web site for that newsletter >> > >http://www.fibreglast.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > If anyone wants to see the article on Vinyl Ester let me know via private e-mail. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:36:49 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy John Roffey wrote: > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > At 10:19 AM 10/20/97 -0400, Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > Been kicking myself every time I use it for not doing > > >it earlier. It's easy, fast, efficient and will most certainly pay for itself > > >in the long run (based on the amount of epoxy you DON'T waste on each batch). > > > > > >Steve Horn > > > > Yes those pumps are great huh!? Expesially when you put them in a card > > board box with a light bulb, then the epoxy really flows nicely! > > > > On wasting epoxy, hey guys keep a bottle of isopropyl alcohol handy and thin > > your left over epoxy and paint it on your boat and other bare wood. There > > is an awful lot of wood to be sealed before you can truly say you wasted > > epoxy! Heck I still find areas that need sealed! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Micheal Mims > > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Mike, what about the weight of the left-over epoxy on the boat? I > thought it would be lighter to spray a marine varnish on the inside of > the boat after it was complete to seal it. Any comments from those who > are complete and flying? CC?Bobby, Adrian etc. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com I used 3 coats of poly urathane! ;-) - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:44:45 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Epon 813 epoxy Steve Horn wrote: > My kid's swingset is now sealed up entirely with the crappy Epon resin that > RR sells. Then a couple coats of spar varnish for UV protection. Works much > better on swingsets than it does on aircraft applications. Steve, You sure didn't think much of that swingset, did ya? Seriously, R/R epoxy positively turned me into a big red itching mass the first time I used a large quantity of it (on the horizontal stabilizer layup). Before that experience, every time I used it (10 grams at a time) my skin broke out in a rash that burned and itched for days, kinda like a had spilled carburetor cleaner on it, even though I wore gloves and can't imagine how I got any on me. I sent my remaining gallon and a half to the dump one weekend when they had a big hazardous material amnesty day. I got a copy of the MSDS from Shell (or whoever manufactures it) and talked to a rep. After describing my problem, he acted like "Duuuuh, you get near this stuff and you're gonna get dermatitis. And you're surprised?" I think R/R is selling something else these days, maybe Aeropoxy, but I'm not sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:48:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: where to level? Alan Moat wrote: > They came out within about 2/64 inch of each > other. 1 side was higher and 1 side was lower than level so I tried to > split the difference. Then I leveled at the main spar location left to > right and got this exact. Then I measured the firewall for plumb and it > was off by about 1/32 inch. I think the lack of reponse to the post says it all. Most people wish they could be this close. Go find a poker game...you're hot. You're definitely close enough. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:04:20 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Re: The Vinyl Ester horse I LOVE vinyl ester!! I just got a gallon from AS&S, experimented with mix ratios and tonite with the temp in my workshop down around 50-55 it'd set up hard to the touch in about an hour - I just added a few more drops of MEKP to compensate for the low temps (with the help of my dryer vent :o) blowing warm air) Of course, you DO have to change gloves every 20 min or stick to everything in sight. This last weekend (temps near 75) I floxed in the front and back header tank walls with it and set it in the sun, 20 min later it was rock hard. The same job with Aeropoxy or some other stuff would've taken much longer with a 24 hour cure. My tank inside is all glassed now though I still have to do the outside and the bottom. Me and Jeff did rough calculation and it came out to around 17-18 gallons (we don't quite believe the numbers though! I'm hoping for 15gallons) John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse > Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:36 AM > > Mark Langford and others, > > The Creative Composites newsletter (from Fibre Glast) is touting Vinyl Ester > as the coolest thing since space travel! Someone has to volunteer to do a > Vinyl Ester class at next years gathering. Unfortunantly it wont help me an > Mark (we should be done with our projects) but obviously this is the > direction of things to come. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse - '98 KRKosh In a message dated 97-10-20 13:44:35 EDT, Mike wrote: << The Creative Composites newsletter (from Fibre Glast) is touting Vinyl Ester as the coolest thing since space travel! Someone has to volunteer to do a Vinyl Ester class at next years gathering. >> Mike: Thanxs for the heads up. I'll watch the horizon for some poor sap to draft for the cause. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:04:56 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: ICQ from Mirabilis Anyone out there running ICQ from Mirabilis? Check it out at: http://www.mirabilis.com/ If your interested in running a direct PC to PC chat program this is pretty cool, it also alerts you when other users are online. If anyone out there is running it my UIN is 401497 Check it out! We could hold builder forums because multiple users can join in on existing chat sessions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:14:03 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: The Vinyl Ester horse Yes Brian I would like to see the article Dave Moore At 03:23 AM 10/21/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:35:21 -0700, you wrote: > >>At 07:09 PM 10/20/97 -0400, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >>>is there a e-mail address or web site for that newsletter >>> >> >>http://www.fibreglast.com >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims >>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> >If anyone wants to see the article on Vinyl Ester let me know via >private e-mail. > > >Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P >Claremore, OK >Building stretched and widened KR-2S > >bbland@busprod.com >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Posa Carbs In a message dated 97-10-20 00:29:03 EDT, you write: << >The carb on the engine I bought is a Posa with mixture adjustment, anyone >have experience with it? I've heard the horror stories about Posa, but have >also heard that some folks swear by them. If someone can tell me how, I'm >going to use it, otherwise I'll be in the market for another carb. Thanks >for your help! > If you decide not to use it, please give me a call. I've been trying to buy > one for awhile, but it seems whenever someone gets disgusted with one, he > chucks in in the garbage without letting anyone know, so I never see used > ones for sale. > > Mike Taglieri > >> Hmmm... Well, Jim Faughn offered to show me how to tune the needle, but if anyone has an Ellison throttle body or Revflow carb they want to get rid of, I'm in a horse trading mood..... ;-) Email me or Mike directly and we'll see if we can't work something out. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Pitch Trim In a message dated 97-10-20 20:56:04 EDT, you write: << >Well I bought the parts to build my pitch trim today, I am going with the >same system that is on the LongEZ. I dug out my EZ plans and drew up a >version that will work on the KR. It is basically a spring system with a >lever that has a friction lock. Move the lever forward to trim the nose >down and back to trim nose up. The whole system consist of four nylon >pulleys, two trim springs, about 5 feet os 1/16 cable and cable ends, and >the aluminum lever that will be mounted on the lower part of the cockpit on >the left side (just below throttle and mixture). >Micheal Mims Could you draw us up a little sketch of the trim system? It would be a lot easier for me to envision, and it sounds like a good system. >> Netters: May I add my 2 cents worth? No, too bad, I will anyhow. I was speaking with an EZ driver this afternoon and he speculated one of the trim springs may have broken or come undone in John Denver's EZ. He said that it is not impossible to get into a nose down attitude that can't be recovered from without a lot of luck and altitude. The point of this is to design your spring installations for a compression mode and not tension mode. If you design the system to "capture" the spring in compression in a tube assembly, if the spring breaks (failure mode), you do not loose all use of the spring. In a tension application, a broken spring fails your complete system in that direction. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:53:59 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: ICQ from Mirabilis On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:04:56 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone out there running ICQ from Mirabilis? Check it out at: > >http://www.mirabilis.com/ > >If your interested in running a direct PC to PC chat program this is = pretty >cool, it also alerts you when other users are online. If anyone out = there >is running it my UIN is 401497 Check it out! We could hold builder = forums >because multiple users can join in on existing chat sessions. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Michael, I downloaded it the other day. I haven't had time to play with it much so I haven't figured it out yet. My UIN is 43227. Maybe I will get if figured out someday! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #136 *****************************