From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:08 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n138' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #138 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 138 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:04:39 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: http://www.krnet.org Patrick Flowers wrote: > > The pic's didn't come up on my browser. Have you uploaded them yet? > The krnet.org domain is a great idea. I see many questions on r.a.h > about KR's and I usually refer them to KRNet. This gives me a central > URL to send them to. > > Thanx, > Patrick Hey, the site is still broken! But, I will fix it eventually. At least now we have a URL that is easy to remember. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:10:52 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: http://www.krnet.org Sorry, Can anyone else help? - -- Ross TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: > > ross, do you know if duncan aviation engines is still around or who is doing > the mazda engines now? > thanks > tandem2@aol.com > john - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:12:07 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition And I thought the COMPU-FIRE CDI was expensive for $229. Wow! Micheal Mims wrote: > > I just got my Electromotive catalog today, if you don't have one do yourself > a favor and get one! A complete bolt on ignition (that is 100% > programmable) for a type 1 VW cost around $540! I plan on running one of > these units on my O-290 along with a magneto for when the power goes out! > The kit that could be used on the Lyc's or Continentals goes for about > $475. They even have a dual ignition unit for $700! Compare that to two > rebuilt mags! You gots to have one of these units, they are what's up in > the auto racing world! > > Electromotive Inc > 9131 Centerville Road > Manassas VA 20110 > 703.331.0100 > > http://www.electromotive-inc.com/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:17:40 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: "Speed with Economy" At 05:16 AM 10/21/97 PDT, you wrote: >Is this the book about Arnold's AR-5? How much was the book? NO its about making a Busby Mustang 64 mph faster over a 20 year period. (with the same powerplant) I don't have the info on the book at hand but maybe someone else does. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:13:28 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: full page scanner John, Cool, As soon as you get some photos, forward them my way! - -- Ross John F. Esch wrote: > > Ross > > I received my 32-bit full page color scanner this last Friday. Still > playing with to see what it can do but I am having problems figuring out > how to say the pictures to files so at a later time I can send them via > Internet. I will just keep playing and of course read the instructions. > > Oh, I bought it for $162.00 but won't tell you where from...well maybe. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:19:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Electronic ignition At 05:24 AM 10/21/97 PDT, you wrote: >Hey, Micheal- > >Do they charge for the catalog? > >Thanks > >Oscar NO! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:16:19 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: KR2 For Sale] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------69D8BD19353C51DE3B54AFBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in a rather irresponsible mood at the moment. I vote for BUY it... but I haven't seen it. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com - --------------69D8BD19353C51DE3B54AFBF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: hjfine@wave.net Received: from tidal.wave.net (wave.net [198.68.31.225]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06906 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: hjfine@wave.net Received: from hjfine.wave.net (ppp40.bruisebrothers.com [198.68.31.40]) by tidal.wave.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA18358 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971021040102.0068eb6c@wave.net> X-Sender: hjfine@wave.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:01:02 -0700 To: rossy@teleport.com Subject: KR2 For Sale Been on the KRnet for one week. There is a KR2 project just about complete in Nebraska. Spoke with the owner tonight. He has a HAPPI, turbocharged 1835 engine. $7500 for engine and airframe. Sounds good to me but I don't know much. Could use advice and counsel on how to proceed. The knowledge and experience displayed by you guys is quite impressive. Appreciate any help. Thanks. Hank Feinberg - --------------69D8BD19353C51DE3B54AFBF-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:15:38 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: where to level? 1/32" I would say ... close enough. Now how many degrees is that 0.000xx? -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > Alan Moat wrote: > > > They came out within about 2/64 inch of each > > other. 1 side was higher and 1 side was lower than level so I tried to > > split the difference. Then I leveled at the main spar location left to > > right and got this exact. Then I measured the firewall for plumb and it > > was off by about 1/32 inch. > > I think the lack of reponse to the post says it all. Most people wish they > could be this close. > Go find a poker game...you're hot. You're definitely close enough. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:21:26 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Chat/KRNet Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hey, Micheal- > > How DO you and Ross manage to get anything done? You both seem to be > going great guns on your KRs, posting progress reports and tips to > KRNet, plus doing other stuff online. I presume that there are also > work-related things, chores, family, possibly eating and bathing...? > > Maybe there is a KR state of mind that I haven't gotten into yet...? > > Oscar It helps if your work involves a Sun Workstation, an ISDN line, and you can fetch KRNET message while waiting for a compile that takes 1 hour to complete. - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:22:42 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KR Pins I have the number of Oshkosh Personalizing... Pins may be available soon, or never... - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:31:52 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Re: KRNET] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------6102D7B77A79CB24398A68D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another new KRNET member! - -- Ross - --------------6102D7B77A79CB24398A68D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: LM151@aol.com Received: from imo01.mail.aol.com (imo01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.113]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15463 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: LM151 Message-ID: <8eee9dba.344cc9fc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:28:36 EDT To: rossy@teleport.com Subject: Re: KRNET Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Ross, I got your mail it works great, OH I am buying a used KR did I mention that.? - --------------6102D7B77A79CB24398A68D-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:39:16 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: KR: Stuff Here are some aviation sayings, thought ya'll might like 'em obtained at: http://www.skygod.com/quotes/quotes.html The way I see it, you can either work for a living or you can fly airplanes. Me, I'd rather fly. - -Len Morgan Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will return to earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut. - -- first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer. I've never seen an airplane yet that can read the type ratings on your pilot's license. - -- Chuck Boedecker There's no such thing as a natural-born pilot. - -- Chuck Yeager Most pilots learn, when they pin on their wings and go out and get in a fighter, especially, that one thing you don't do, you don't b'lieve anything anybody tells you about an airplane. - -- Chuck Yeager Keep the aeroplane in such an attitude that the air pressure is always directly in the pilot's face. - -- Barber, 1916 When a flight is proceeding incredibly well, something was forgotten. - -- Robert Livingston, 'Flying The Aeronca.' The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on fire. - -- Sir Charles Kingsford Smith, I hope you either take up parachute jumping or stay out of single motored airplanes at night. - -- Charles A. Lindbergh Never fly anything that doesn't have the paint worn off the rudder Pedals. - -- Harry Bill Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smit thee. - -- William Kershner The Cub is the safest airplane in the world; it can just barely kill you. - -- attributed to Max Stanley, Northrop test pilot John - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:49:24 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? At 11:33 AM 10/21/97 EDT, you wrote: >ya, go for the kr. what is up on the new plans, are we waiting for mark to fly >and see if the new wings are going to work? how about it mark, what is going >on, i am just waiting to see. >thanks >tandem2, in the holding pattern > Stop holding your breath! >-0 ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:13:17 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Vinyl Ester for finish coat >I'm no expert but I don't see why not, it's fairly thin, not really >gloppy. Mix up some micro slurry squeegie it on, then cover >with thick plastic... bingo really smooth, shiney, slick surface. >With temps down it'll still setup in 2-3 hours ready for sanding Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot as soon as I can get my hands on some of it. I'm ordering it now. What's the micro slurry added to it for? >Is it going to snow on game 3 tonite?? Naw, not yet. Maybe on thursday. At least, that's what the local weather yokel says. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? does that mean RR is not going to revise? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: LVav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? In a message dated 97-10-21 13:33:39 EDT, you write: << does that mean RR is not going to revise? >> I wouldn't worry about it. The current plans are good enough. If you have any questions the KRNet is here to help you. There have been lots of KR's built and flown with the plans the way they are now and lots before they were even as good as they are now. The sooner you start the sooner you'll be flying. "If you always wait for the perfect time you'll always wait too long, because the perfect time is never known untill it's too late!" Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com KR-2S 2.5% complete __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:45:29 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? At 01:29 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >does that mean RR is not going to revise? > Call them and ask! :o) 714.898.3811 ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:52:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: KR-2S meet Jabiru Just got off the phone with Jeanette (sp?) and she said that a Jabiru has been ordered for a KR-2S that is under construction and that Jabiru is interrested in doing a firewall forward package for the KR. I don't know if my budget can be stretched enough to cover a Jabiru but it would sure make a nice combination. Full 80 HP and less weight than the VW. Steve newtech@newtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:58:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Just got off the phone with Jeanette and she said that it wasn't a high priority. The person working on the new plans is covered up with other work and can't put very much time into them. I got the impression that this wasn't a high priority. AS has been mentioned before, she is very reluctant to approve any changes to the design that haven't been flight proven yet. Steve On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Micheal Mims wrote: > At 01:29 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >does that mean RR is not going to revise? > > > > Call them and ask! :o) > > 714.898.3811 > > ________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:09:29 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? LVav8r@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-21 13:33:39 EDT, you write: > > << does that mean RR is not going to revise? >> Actually, I think RR is waiting for me to finish my plane. I haven't had any calls, but yep.. I think thats it. Soo nuf. - -- Ross > > I wouldn't worry about it. The current plans are good enough. If you > have any questions the KRNet is here to help you. There have been lots of > KR's built and flown with the plans the way they are now and lots before they > were even as good as they are now. The sooner you start the sooner you'll be > flying. > "If you always wait for the perfect time you'll always wait too long, > because the perfect time is never known untill it's too late!" > > Tom Kilgore > Las Vegas, NV > LVav8r@aol.com > KR-2S 2.5% complete > __I__ > _______( X )_______ > o/ \o - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:42:56 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: bbland contact G'Day I tried several times last week to FAX the material on Smith Chem, penetrating epoxy to bbland, without success. Must have copied his FAX number incorrectly. Someone get the 918- number to me and I will send the material fast so all can have it. Rex Ellington Norman OK Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:56:33 -0600 From: "jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Vinyl Ester for finish coat filler, less weight, fills weave and sands pretty easy. I'm ordering it now. What's the micro slurry added to it for? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:37:46 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Steven A Eberhart wrote: > > Just got off the phone with Jeanette and she said that it wasn't a high > priority. The person working on the new plans is covered up with other > work and can't put very much time into them. I got the impression that > this wasn't a high priority. AS has been mentioned before, she is very > reluctant to approve any changes to the design that haven't been flight > proven yet. Ya know, I never considered changing the print size, cumulative dimensioning or editorial cleanup to be design changes. This opens up a whole new realm of possibilities for product liability law :o) Not picking on Jeanette, but I think I just remembered why I previously decided to wait before I bought a set of KR plans. - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:32:33 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Steven A Eberhart wrote: > > Just got off the phone with Jeanette and she said that it wasn't a high > priority. The person working on the new plans is covered up with other > work and can't put very much time into them. I got the impression that > this wasn't a high priority. AS has been mentioned before, she is very > reluctant to approve any changes to the design that haven't been flight > proven yet. Hmmm, and the name of their company test pilot is...? Just kidding, I know the answer. Chalk up one more in Preceptor's column. At least they have a flying demonstrator. - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:12:48 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Steve Eberhart wrote: > Just got off the phone with Jeanette and she said that it wasn't a high > priority. The person working on the new plans is covered up with other > work and can't put very much time into them. I got the impression that > this wasn't a high priority. AS has been mentioned before, she is very > reluctant to approve any changes to the design that haven't been flight > proven yet. Surely she's not talking about me. I told her I'd gladly do it for free, if she'd get Kevin to send me the CAD files. He says no problem, I'll send them when I get permission from her. She says, "I told him to send them". I'm not sure what to think, but I DO know that it would be absurd to redraw these plans from scratch when the CAD files already exist. I figure it would average about 6 hours for each of the 15 sheets for me to start over, and I already have most of the plane modeled up, just so that I could figure out how to build it myself! If I HAD to redraw them, I'd do it for $20/hr just as a favor, but like I said, that would be senseless when the CAD files already exist, and she's already paid for them. And I've really got better things to do with my time between now and the next Gathering, if you get my drift. Besides, as has been mentioned, this is low priority, since "major" changes are not viewed in a favorable light. Don't count on the NLF wings ever being incorporated either, since she just paid for tooling for the RAF 48 wing skins. Of course, I've long since resigned myself to merely sprucing the plans up...making them all the same font, getting the nomenclature right (calling the main spar the same thing everywhere, rather than main spar, forward spar, and front spar), and dimensioning things in a much less confusing manner. And what I'm talking about here would take maybe 2 hours per drawing, and I'd gladly do it for nothing just to keep another hapless soul from making their fuselage one bay too short because they couldn't interpret the architectural dimensioning scheme that's used in the current plans... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:32:37 +-200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets The reason that ZS-WPX has not been airborne yet is because I found two of the three U/C hinge brackets cracked. These are the brackets that attaches to the U/C beam and rotates around the bolt in the bracket against the spar. Both these brackets are castings of very poor quality. There is no way that I can determine if these brackets came from RR (USA) or from a local supplier that was dealing out of Lanseria Airport (Pretoria area) The bottom line is it does not matter where these come from, what does matter is that all builders and operators should have a good look at their U/C hinges. The cracks runs through the outer two holes in the brackets. Its hell to get those bracket out of there. Making up a set out of 4130 Kobus (might be flying soon) de Wet South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:17:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets At 09:32 PM 10/21/97 +-200, you wrote: >The cracks runs through the outer two holes in the brackets. > >Its hell to get those bracket out of there. Making up a set out of 4130 > >Kobus (might be flying soon) de Wet > >South Africa > Not to mention NONE of the retract system is available anymore, I guess you retract guys are on your own! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? thanks mark, i guess i should just get a set of plans and do what i need to do with them and see how the wings work out for you and if ok, then have mark here in seattle make me up a cad set of drawings for the new wing and spar and just get it done. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:23:35 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Throttle Linkage Question HELP! Again. THROTTLE LINKAG EMOUNT QUESTION In all the photos of KR engines I've seen, it has been VERY difficult to get a good look at the throttle & mixture linkages. So here I am, wanting to start my engine up, and I'm trying to avoid a Rube Goldberg mouse-trap, toothpaste throttle linkage. I bought some very nice ACS push-pull controls, the black and red knobs look really pretty in the cockpit, but I need some hints on what to do with the other end. (Besides that!) I would appricate it if folks who have SOLVED this problem could dig up some photos/drawings, this is one of those tricky areas that I think needs to be done right. Also.... I have the Great Plains downtubes with my Ellison, and believe that SOME form of mechanical attachment to the engine is necessary besides the hose & C-clamps. Has anyone got ideas here? I'm stumped. (At least for the moment.) -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:28:36 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Canopy Latch Question Well, I waited until the last minute to solve this one too, and it's that time. The last couple of question posts are problems that are keeping me up at nights...well let's say I've put them off, and now I'm running out of things besides these to do. Canopy latch ideas anyone? I have the standard canopy. The saftey latch I know about, but don't have a clue about the regular latch. I suppose I could re-check the plans... haven't done that in a while. I have purchased some aluminum rod, and have some nylon block left over but have concerns over mounting all this to the longerons/canopy itself. I'm looking for ideas, perhaps someone has solved this one nicely. - -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:34:40 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets Kobus, I think this was one of the reasons that the Retract Gear has lost ground to the fixed gear or Under Carrage (U/C for those who drive on the left.) - -- Ross Kobus de Wet wrote: > > The reason that ZS-WPX has not been airborne yet is because I found two of > the three U/C hinge brackets cracked. These are the brackets that attaches > to the U/C beam and rotates around the bolt in the bracket against the > spar. > Both these brackets are castings of very poor quality. There is no way that > I can determine if these brackets came from RR (USA) or from a local > supplier that was dealing out of Lanseria Airport (Pretoria area) > The bottom line is it does not matter where these come from, what does > matter is that all builders and operators should have a good look at their > U/C hinges. > The cracks runs through the outer two holes in the brackets. > > Its hell to get those bracket out of there. Making up a set out of 4130 > > Kobus (might be flying soon) de Wet > > South Africa - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:32:39 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Mark Langford wrote: > And what I'm talking about here would take maybe 2 hours > per drawing, and I'd gladly do it for nothing just to keep another hapless > soul from making their fuselage one bay too short because they couldn't > interpret the architectural dimensioning scheme that's used in the current > plans... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford I think my engineering drafting classes in college finally paid off when I was trying to dimension my table from drawing "A". I just knew that the information was on the drawing SOMEWHERE. It was fun solving that problem.. - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:55:17 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? At 02:12 PM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >Steve Eberhart wrote: > >> Just got off the phone with Jeanette and she said that it wasn't a high >> priority. The person working on the new plans is covered up with other >> work and can't put very much time into them. I got the impression that >> this wasn't a high priority. AS has been mentioned before, she is very >> reluctant to approve any changes to the design that haven't been flight >> proven yet. > >Surely she's not talking about me. I told her I'd gladly do it for free, >if she'd get Kevin to send me the CAD files. He says no problem, I'll send >them when I get permission from her. She says, "I told him to send them". > I'm not sure what to think, but I DO know that it would be absurd to >redraw these plans from scratch when the CAD files already exist. I figure >it would average about 6 hours for each of the 15 sheets for me to start >over, and I already have most of the plane modeled up, just so that I could >figure out how to build it myself! If I HAD to redraw them, I'd do it for >$20/hr just as a favor, but like I said, that would be senseless when the >CAD files already exist, and she's already paid for them. And I've really >got better things to do with my time between now and the next Gathering, if >you get my drift. > >Besides, as has been mentioned, this is low priority, since "major" changes >are not viewed in a favorable light. Don't count on the NLF wings ever >being incorporated either, since she just paid for tooling for the RAF 48 >wing skins. Of course, I've long since resigned myself to merely sprucing >the plans up...making them all the same font, getting the nomenclature >right (calling the main spar the same thing everywhere, rather than main >spar, forward spar, and front spar), and dimensioning things in a much less >confusing manner. And what I'm talking about here would take maybe 2 hours >per drawing, and I'd gladly do it for nothing just to keep another hapless >soul from making their fuselage one bay too short because they couldn't >interpret the architectural dimensioning scheme that's used in the current >plans... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > What do you "meeeeaaaan", one bay to short???? > >Dave Moore > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:25:52 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: QUESTION:CarbHeat Plenum & Linkage Here is your KRNET admin... looking for more hints? While I'm down under the engine here. I've got this great carb heat muff, and a tube that could go someplace, but need some ideas on fabricating a butterfly valve, or other door that will not JAM up etc in flight. I can bend metal etc, but I don't have "the" idea on how I'm going to give my Ellison some Carb heat. I think the valve is my major stumbling block. Any ideas would be GREATLY appriciated. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:34:43 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: > > thanks mark, i guess i should just get a set of plans and do what i need to > do with them and see how the wings work out for you and if ok, then have mark > here in seattle make me up a cad set of drawings for the new wing and spar > and just get it done.---------------------- John: Yes, just do it! Get the plans and get started. John, if you get this message give me a call 762-1891. My e-mail is not getting through to you. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:35:49 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? TANDEM2 wrote: >i guess i should just get a set of plans and do what i need to do That'd be my advice. You might have several built before new plans come out. Something I forgot to mention is that it is also doubtful that the fuselage will be widened in the plans, as the "factory" turtle deck only fits the plans version + or - 1.5", so another set of molds and parts would be required for the change. I seem to remember an ancient thread on krnet (maybe older than horse beating), "change is evil" but I'm pretty sure we don't want to go there either. If you build for the NLF, leave an extra 5/16 of clearance in your fuselage verticals where the spar goes thru, so you don't have to add extra meat to the inside of your spar caps to get the strength you need with the slightly shorter spars. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: TANDEM2@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:18 PM > > thanks mark, i guess i should just get a set of plans and do what i need to > do with them and see how the wings work out for you and if ok, then have mark > here in seattle make me up a cad set of drawings for the new wing and spar > and just get it done. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:35:20 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:55:17 -0700, you wrote: >What do you "meeeeaaaan", one bay to short????=20 >> =20 >>Dave Moore >> > >David Moore >Turnkey1@MSComm.Com >Hesperia, Calif. Hey! I think I resemble that remark!! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:24:20 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: full page scanner Ross Will do as soon I get pictures and figure out how to save my pictures to a file to ship and thanks. John F. Esch Salem, ORRoss Youngblood wrote: > John, > > Cool, > As soon as you get some photos, forward them my way! > > -- Ross > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > Ross > > > > I received my 32-bit full page color scanner this last Friday. > Still > > playing with to see what it can do but I am having problems figuring > out > > how to say the pictures to files so at a later time I can send them > via > > Internet. I will just keep playing and of course read the > instructions. > > > > Oh, I bought it for $162.00 but won't tell you where from...well > maybe. > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > -- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area > code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Ross Youngblood wrote: > John, > > Cool, > As soon as you get some photos, forward them my way! > > -- Ross > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > Ross > > > > I received my 32-bit full page color scanner this last Friday. > Still > > playing with to see what it can do but I am having problems figuring > out > > how to say the pictures to files so at a later time I can send them > via > > Internet. I will just keep playing and of course read the > instructions. > > > > Oh, I bought it for $162.00 but won't tell you where from...well > maybe. > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > -- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area > code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:42:04 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR: Vinyl Ester Resin Article =46or any one interested the article in now on my web page: http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:37:41 -0000 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Re: KR-2S meet Jabiru A friend of mine who was checking into the Jabiru for his plane done some calculations on the recommended props for the Jabiru. It seems the Jabiru is a lot closer to 60 HP than it is to 80 HP. Titan Aircraft is also looking at the Jabiru & finding the same thing. I think I'd want to see the dyno personally before spending that kind of dough for the same 'ol 60 HP. Blue Skies, Mike - ---------- > From: Steven A Eberhart > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: KR-2S meet Jabiru > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 5:52 PM > > Just got off the phone with Jeanette (sp?) and she said that a Jabiru has > been ordered for a KR-2S that is under construction and that Jabiru is > interrested in doing a firewall forward package for the KR. I don't know > if my budget can be stretched enough to cover a Jabiru but it would sure > make a nice combination. Full 80 HP and less weight than the VW. > > Steve > newtech@newtech.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #138 *****************************