From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:41 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n149' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #149 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 149 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:46:02 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: KR2S parts 4 sale Malcolm, I must have missed the first post, which considering my server still uses mice to power the mail server, it could happen. You say you have spars? Is this for the 2 or S model? and how much? Please give some details. Are you in New Orleans? Dave Moore At 07:07 AM 10/24/97 -0600, you wrote: >Marvin has commited to purchasing my wheels/brakes, motor mount, >firewall stuff, and WAF. I still have a boat, spars, and all of the RR >prefab top deck parts if anyone is interested. > >Thanks, >>M. Hartman/N926FW > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:05:35 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 Does anyone know if Tom's on the KRNet or the web somewhere. I'd like to see if I could get some in depth info from him about the "2600cc Type 4 engine" in his KR-1. Thanks. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:15:10 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies Ditto here John F Esch Salem, OR Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started > >glueing together spruce sticks yet. > > > >Patrick > >-- > >Patrick Flowers > >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > > > Amen. Thanks, Patrick. > > Also, please try to be patient with folks like me, who have suddenly > found in the Internet and KRNet, a group of like-minded people. I > sometimes ramble on and toss in fluff, but am genuinely interested in > harvesting data and contributing as I am able. I just get carried > away > at times with the camaraderie. I know it slows down the flow of > useful > data. > > I agree with Bobby, that the main intent here is to talk KRs, > building, > flying, tweaking, tech issues, ideas. I'll try to restrain until I'm > in > that position. > > Thanks. > > Oscar > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:57:55 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: main spar holes With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and still stay out of trouble? Bob Smith ... with drill in hand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:26:57 -0500 From: Robert Moreland Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes smithr wrote: > > With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has > anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar > webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has > been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any > suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and > still stay out of trouble? > > Bob Smith ... with drill in hand I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still drill it throught the middle. Robert Moreland ranland@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:27:04 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Unused Plans for sale At 11:16 PM 10/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >John F. Esch wrote: >> >> What would a reasonable offer for the O-200 C? The only problem I see >> that is was a GPU engine and what mods would needed to be done? > >I believe that you would need intake, carb and exhaust system. Also, >since it's a GPU engine, it's single ignition. Otherwise, I think it's >identical to aviation model. > >Patrick >-- >Patrick Flowers >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > >I thought I read sometime ago, that the hub or prop flange had to be modified? I have a 0-290 in the barn which was a gpu, and have been swayed into thinking of using it. Does anyone know where I can find a conversion manual for a GPU? Dave Moore > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:35:26 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes At 04:26 PM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >smithr wrote: >> >> With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has >> anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar >> webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has >> been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any >> suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and >> still stay out of trouble? >> >> Bob Smith ... with drill in hand > >I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to >a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under >tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course >the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still >drill it throught the middle. > >Robert Moreland >ranland@worldnet.att.net > >Robert I'm a first year mech engineer and this is part of our statics course. You seem to have misunderstood this. there is no load along an imaginary line known as the nuetral axis. This usually lies half way between the side of the beam that is under compression and the side that is in tension. hope this helps. Jed Whitford jedw@tartarus.uwa.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:42:54 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes At 04:26 PM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >smithr wrote: >> >> With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has >> anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar >> webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has >> been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any >> suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and >> still stay out of trouble? >> >> Bob Smith ... with drill in hand > >I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to >a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under >tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course >the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still >drill it throught the middle. > >Robert Moreland >ranland@worldnet.att.net > >OOps Forgot to add, the wing spar is not a simple supported beam it is more like a canilever and I'm not sure about the situation here it should make no difference. In this situation you should also remember to consider that there will be a shear force at this point and this is actually what you need to worry about. I'm currently studing for exams so if I come across anything interesting. Also if you can get hold of a back issue of kitplanes magazine there is an article on wing stresses, february 1987 has the information your after, hope I've helped. Jed Whitford jedw@tartarus.uwa.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:27:12 -0800 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if Tom's on the KRNet or the web somewhere. I'd like to see if > I could get some in depth info from him about the "2600cc Type 4 engine" in his > KR-1. Thanks. > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH It's a nice one, isn't it Ed. I don't know if He's on the net. I just had the thought that, that engine turned around and aimed on the right direction with one of Steve Bennet's drives -- and maybe an extra bay in the aft section would make that KR-1 competive with some of these "Fat Albert" KR-2Ss sporting O-200 and O-290s.....maybe. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa PS, Oh, I forgot the turbo somewhere in the middle of that thought. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:08:48 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Unused Plans for sale David Moore wrote: > > At 11:16 PM 10/25/97 -0400, you wrote: > >John F. Esch wrote: > >> > >> What would a reasonable offer for the O-200 C? The only problem I see > >> that is was a GPU engine and what mods would needed to be done? > > > >I believe that you would need intake, carb and exhaust system. Also, > >since it's a GPU engine, it's single ignition. Otherwise, I think it's > >identical to aviation model. > > > >Patrick > >-- > >Patrick Flowers > >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > > >I thought I read sometime ago, that the hub or prop flange had to be > modified? > I have a 0-290 in the barn which was a gpu, and have been swayed into > thinking of using it. > Does anyone know where I can find a conversion manual for a GPU? > > Dave Moore If you know someone who has saved Sport Aviation magazines from over the years, look through them. EAA did a series of articles on GPU conversion back in the 60's that covered everything. They did the articles when a bunch of GPU's came on the surplus market for dirt cheap prices. The reason I know is because my Dad has every Sport back to 1957. I can read them in his house, but he won't let them leave. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:45:08 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: KR-2 Project for sale found this in rec.aviation. homebuilt: KR-2 Experamental aircraft (low wing) fuselage on gear,45 to 50% complete,most materials to complete incl. includes low time(80hrs) revmaster powerplant. 4500.00$ all inquiries to 244 High ST Tellico plains TENN. 37385 or call Sgt. Robert M. gann at (423) 253-2334 8:00 am to 8:00 pm.E.S.T. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: KR: limbach engine has anyone besides neil bingham, used this engine or knows anything about it? thanks tandem2 in holding ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:45:21 -0000 From: "A. J. Mendes Pereira" Subject: Re: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets Actually U/C means "Control Line", and not "Radio Control" as you mentioned. The "U" as to do with the "U" shaped control handle we use to control the model aircraft flying around in the 50' (+-) circle around us. I guess you were close enough for the subject, andyou'd have to be a hard core modeller to know that. We forgive you... Keep on building Antonio Portugal - -----Original Message----- From: Ross To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Domingo, 26 de Outubro de 1997 1:21 Subject: Re: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets >Kobus, > >My apolgies... It took me a while to decode U/C into "landing gear" >my brain kept coding U/C to R/C (radio control). So I thought that >others who were up at 1:00AM might need the translation. It was >late, and I apologize for the posting. > > -- Regards > Ross > >Kobus de Wet wrote: >> >> Ross, >> For reasons of simplicity in South Africa we use the term Under Carriage >> (U/C) for both fixed and retractable, as very few commercial or military >> aircraft today still have fixed U/C. You must bear in mind that we not only >> have to put up with American Daftness, we also have French, English, >> German, Italian and lately also Russian Terminology. As the first >> commercial and military aircraft we came into contact with were British we >> took on their terminology as the standard and stuck to it. The American >> terminology is definitely in the minority as almost all the other countries >> mentioned above use a system very close to the British system. Sorry about >> all this but the original reason for the letter regarding the cracked hinge >> bracket were for reasons of safety and to inform other KR-2 owners and >> operators of a problem that I found on my aircraft. I do not recall asking >> for a lecture on the aircraft terminology as used in the USA. >> >> Thanks Kobus >> >> Kobus, >> I think this was one of the reasons that the Retract Gear has lost >> ground to the fixed gear or Under Carrage (U/C for those who drive on >> the left.) >> >> -- Ross >> >> Kobus de Wet wrote: >> > >> > The reason that ZS-WPX has not been airborne yet is because I found two >> of >> > the three U/C hinge brackets cracked. These are the brackets that >> attaches >> > to the U/C beam and rotates around the bolt in the bracket against the >> > spar. >> > Both these brackets are castings of very poor quality. There is no way >> that >> > I can determine if these brackets came from RR (USA) or from a local >> > supplier that was dealing out of Lanseria Airport (Pretoria area) >> > The bottom line is it does not matter where these come from, what does >> > matter is that all builders and operators should have a good look at >> their >> > U/C hinges. >> > The cracks runs through the outer two holes in the brackets. >> > >> > Its hell to get those bracket out of there. Making up a set out of 4130 >> > >> > Kobus (might be flying soon) de Wet >> > >> > South Africa >> >> -- >> >> Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE >> PIN#895-9073 >> Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x >> 1632 >> Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) >> Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com >> >> Name: WINMAIL.DAT >> WINMAIL.DAT Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) >> Encoding: x-uuencode ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes sometimes my mind wonders and i get these crazy ideas, has or can you use an aluminum i-beam or rectangular beam for a spar in the kr? would it be lighter and stronger then a wood spar? tandem2 ( mind going ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:18:16 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: limbach engine At 09:35 PM 10/27/97 -0500, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >has anyone besides neil bingham, used this engine or knows anything about it? >thanks >tandem2 > in holding > You should check the archives if there still available, there was a small discussion about Limbachs a few months ago. They are basically VW based engines with various mods. Moving the thrust to the front, casting heads so the intake ports are on the bottom, are just a couple items they designed into their engines. But for the most part they are just type 1 and type 4 derivatives. I think their HP claims are little on the optimistic side and I would imagine the parts are out of this world considering its certified! ( in Germany). If I was thinking VW I would stick with Great Plains! All the others, Limbach, Revmaster, etc are so darn proprietary that when you break them you only have ONE source for parts! With Steve's engines you can get on the horn and have parts coming pronto or if he's out of stock go on down to your local VW speed shop. Mike "VW?" Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:26:49 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Retractable U/C hinge brackets At 02:45 AM 10/28/97 -0000, A. J. Mendes Pereira wrote: >Actually U/C means "Control Line", and not "Radio Control" as you mentioned. >The "U" as to do with the "U" shaped control handle we use to control the >model aircraft flying around in the 50' (+-) circle around us............. Are you sure? I thought U/C was "U Control" which of course is a system of controlling model aircraft by means of "control lines"! :o) Mike "Been hard core U/C flyer since age 10" Mims U/C Unconditionally Crazy U/C Underestamated Champion U/C Ugly Chick U/C Understanding Chemistery U/C ??????????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:27:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes At 10:19 PM 10/27/97 -0500, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >sometimes my mind wonders and i get these crazy ideas, has or can you use an aluminum i-beam or rectangular beam for a spar in the kr? would it be lighter and stronger then a wood spar? > >tandem2 ( mind going ) > No and No! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 7:08:03 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Hi Guys On a beam that has a cap and web; The cap is designed to carry the tensile and compressive loads. It is incorrect to assume that there is no load along the neutral axis. The neutral axis, in the case of an I or box beam lies on the web (the piece of ply joining the top and bottom caps).This carries the shear loads as a result of the beam being loaded. Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za - ---------- From: SMTP1@K1 - Server@Servers[] To: Cc: Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:35AM At 04:26 PM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >smithr wrote: >> >> With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has >> anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar >> webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has >> been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any >> suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and >> still stay out of trouble? >> >> Bob Smith ... with drill in hand > >I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to >a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under >tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course >the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still >drill it throught the middle. > >Robert Moreland >ranland@worldnet.att.net > >Robert I'm a first year mech engineer and this is part of our statics course. You seem to have misunderstood this. there is no load along an imaginary line known as the nuetral axis. This usually lies half way between the side of the beam that is under compression and the side that is in tension. hope this helps. Jed Whitford jedw@tartarus.uwa.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:48:45 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Steve It does not matter that this is the case no matter what type of beam the nuetral axis never has a load due to bending on it it may however have a load due shear forces, if you still disagree leave another post and I will check my engineering text books. seeya Jed Whitford At 07:08 AM 28/10/97, you wrote: >Hi Guys >On a beam that has a cap and web; The cap is designed to carry the tensile and compressive loads. It is incorrect to assume that there is no load along the neutral axis. The neutral axis, in the case of an I or box beam lies on the web (the piece of ply joining the top and bottom caps).This carries the shear loads as a result of the beam being loaded. >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za >---------- >From: SMTP1@K1 - Server@Servers[] >To: >Cc: >Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes >Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:35AM > >At 04:26 PM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>smithr wrote: >>> >>> With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has >>> anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar >>> webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has >>> been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any >>> suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and >>> still stay out of trouble? >>> >>> Bob Smith ... with drill in hand >> >>I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to >>a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under >>tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course >>the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still >>drill it throught the middle. >> >>Robert Moreland >>ranland@worldnet.att.net >> >>Robert > I'm a first year mech engineer and this is part of our statics >course. You seem to have misunderstood this. there is no load along an >imaginary line known as the nuetral axis. This usually lies half way >between the side of the beam that is under compression and the side that is >in tension. hope this helps. >Jed Whitford >jedw@tartarus.uwa.edu.au > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:50:41 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Steve It does not matter that this is the case no matter what type of beam the nuetral axis never has a load due to bending on it it may however have a load due shear forces, if you still are not satisfied leave another post and I will check my engineering text books. seeya Jed Whitford At 07:08 AM 28/10/97, you wrote: >Hi Guys >On a beam that has a cap and web; The cap is designed to carry the tensile and compressive loads. It is incorrect to assume that there is no load along the neutral axis. The neutral axis, in the case of an I or box beam lies on the web (the piece of ply joining the top and bottom caps).This carries the shear loads as a result of the beam being loaded. >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za >---------- >From: SMTP1@K1 - Server@Servers[] >To: >Cc: >Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes >Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:35AM > >At 04:26 PM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>smithr wrote: >>> >>> With all of the stress analysis being considered for the airframe, has >>> anyone considered the effect of drilling holes in the main spar or spar >>> webs to mount various things such as gear or controls? I suppose it has >>> been proven that the gear holes pose no problem, Would anyone have any >>> suggestions as to how many or how big or where you can make a hole and >>> still stay out of trouble? >>> >>> Bob Smith ... with drill in hand >> >>I recall reading in an text book that when a bending force is applied to >>a simple beem, one side is under compression and the other side is under >>tensile load and at the mid-point there is no stress at all. Of course >>the main spar is not a simple beem but a complex structure. I'd still >>drill it throught the middle. >> >>Robert Moreland >>ranland@worldnet.att.net >> >>Robert > I'm a first year mech engineer and this is part of our statics >course. You seem to have misunderstood this. there is no load along an >imaginary line known as the nuetral axis. This usually lies half way >between the side of the beam that is under compression and the side that is >in tension. hope this helps. >Jed Whitford >jedw@tartarus.uwa.edu.au > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: N911TB@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 In depth info???? Sure, I'll try to answer here or you can call me at (940) 691-1902 in the evenings. Tom Bagnetto Wichita Falls, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:23:17 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started > >glueing together spruce sticks yet. > > > >Patrick > >-- > >Patrick Flowers > >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > > > Amen. Thanks, Patrick. > > Also, please try to be patient with folks like me, who have suddenly > found in the Internet and KRNet, a group of like-minded people. I > sometimes ramble on and toss in fluff, but am genuinely interested in > harvesting data and contributing as I am able. I just get carried away > at times with the camaraderie. I know it slows down the flow of useful > data. > > I agree with Bobby, that the main intent here is to talk KRs, building, > flying, tweaking, tech issues, ideas. I'll try to restrain until I'm in > that position. > > Thanks. > > Oscar > > ... Gee, I will take advantage of this thread ... Does anybody out there has some time to convince me the KR2S is the best airplane in the world? After that, gimme some good reason that it's the worst! I'm not already glueing, but I think I'll begin in a few. Michele (KR2S dreamer from Italy) - -- MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Michele Bucceri E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it Phone: +39-2-43888423/8781 MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 04:13:16 -0600 From: khersh Subject: Re: KR: VW engine All this talk about VW engines got me to thinking about a version which was built to survive under racing conditions. It was centered around a new block design from: Pauter Machine Co., Inc 367 Zenith St Chula Vista, CA 91911 (619)422-5384 An article in the Jan 1993 issue of Dune Buggies and Hot VWs describes some interesting developments of this lowey engine. Some of the points of interest are: 1) no more split case (1-piece) 2) 4-bolt mains 3) cam-shaft held in via bearing caps like the crank 4) 2.750" Ford 351 Clevland main bearings and journals 5) cam-shaft changes in 30-min 6) oiling system: wet or dry as you desire 7) 200 cu. in. (3.0-liter) 8) block weight approx 45lbs 9) distruibter drive and oil pump contained within a front end plate 10) Chevy cam/lifter combination can be used. any thoughts? later keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:29:37 -0500 From: "Scott Goodman" Subject: KR: indigestion? Could someone mail me the procedure for switching to the digest version? Too many msg's in my inbox, the digest version would be easier to handle. Thanks, Scott Goodman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:44:26 From: "Troy Johnson" Subject: KR: Visit to Mike's Okay gang, Here is my official report on my visit to Mike Mims' project: Somebody get me a garage 'cause I am ready to start building! If anyone out there is considering a project or is stagnating on theirs, find someone nearby and request some time to take a peek at what they are doing, it will definitely get the blood flowing. I feel fortunate in getting to see Mike's as he has made a lot of "improvements" to his that coincide with some things I have been dreaming of doing. He also pointed out some things he would do differently were he to do over again. I believe it would be beneficial for anyone to visit someone else's project to see what other people have done and to find out what problems they had and things they would change. It is one thing to read and see pictures on the net, quite another to put your hands on actual work and climb around and poke your head in different corners. Congrats to Mike on the beautiful workmanship he has done to this point, and good luck with the rest of the project. I will probably be bugging him again soon since I am out his way fairly frequently...hear that Mike?....I'll be back.... So, is there anyone out there building in Arizona? Troy "primed and ready to build" Johnson ************************************************************* If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! Troy A. Johnson WYLE Electronics 1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North Phoenix, AZ 85034 (602)-495-9953 (602)-416-2158 (direct) ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:55:53 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: limbach engine Micheal Mims wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:19:13 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: VW engine khersh wrote: > > All this talk about VW engines got me to thinking about a > version which was built to survive under racing conditions. > It was centered around a new block design from: > Pauter Machine Co., Inc > 367 Zenith St > Chula Vista, CA 91911 > (619)422-5384 > An article in the Jan 1993 issue of Dune Buggies and Hot VWs describes > some interesting developments of this lowey engine. Some of the points > of interest are: > 1) no more split case (1-piece) > 2) 4-bolt mains > 3) cam-shaft held in via bearing caps like the crank > 4) 2.750" Ford 351 Clevland main bearings and journals > 5) cam-shaft changes in 30-min > 6) oiling system: wet or dry as you desire > 7) 200 cu. in. (3.0-liter) > 8) block weight approx 45lbs > 9) distruibter drive and oil pump contained within a front > end plate > 10) Chevy cam/lifter combination can be used. > > any thoughts? > later > keith--------------- Sounds great. Any idea what it costs? Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:12:09 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Isn't that exactly what Steve said? At 03:48 PM 10/28/97 +0800, you wrote: >Steve > It does not matter that this is the case no matter what type of beam >the nuetral axis never has a load due to bending on it it may however have a >load due shear forces, if you still disagree leave another post and I will >check my engineering text books. >seeya >Jed Whitford > > >At 07:08 AM 28/10/97, you wrote: >>Hi Guys >>On a beam that has a cap and web; The cap is designed to carry the tensile >and compressive loads. It is incorrect to assume that there is no load along >the neutral axis. The neutral axis, in the case of an I or box beam lies on >the web (the piece of ply joining the top and bottom caps).This carries the >shear loads as a result of the beam being loaded. >>Steve in South Africa ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:14:59 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW engine At 04:13 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote: >All this talk about VW engines got me to thinking about a >version which was built to survive under racing conditions. > It was centered around a new block design from: > Pauter Machine Co., Inc > 367 Zenith St > Chula Vista, CA 91911 > (619)422-5384 Yes some of us looked into the Pauter and Autocraft case and found they were pretty heavy. Im not sure how much heavier than a VW case. Maybe Mark Langford remembers, they were heavy on the $$$$ side too! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:21:23 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: KR newbies Michele, Here are my KR comments. I am a guy who has only 105 hours of spam can flying time and is building a KR. Experienced KR flyers may see it differently. The people who choose KRs have money in mind. The KR seems to be the highest performance airplane for a very low price. For lots more money, however, you can probably get a better airplane. The RR builders manual and plans are only adequate. KRnet helps alot. People who fly KRs always say that flying it is lots of fun. I have flown a KR2 (not 2s) for 1.5 hours and it was lots of fun, but the pitchiness concerned me and I certainly couldn't land it. The plane is highly maneuverable and capable of loops and rolls, although it is not certified for aerobatics. Cruise speed for many KRs is 130 to 150 mph. The KR2 is probably not a beginners plane. The original KR is not very stable in the pitch axis, although some builders now are trying to make changes that will help this. Flying it with 2 onboard is very different from 1. The CG moves very far aft. But then all pilots must watch their CG carefully, right? In landing, the plane is so aerodynamically clean, it tends to float in ground effect. Flaps seem to help. I have completed the fuselage and spars of my KR. I find the construction process to be very easy, but many hours are involved. I like the composite epoxy/fiberglass methods very much. Hope these comments help you make a decision. Bob Smith, KR2s Albany, NY. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:23:14 -0700 From: "jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies It may not be the best in the world, but it IS a really good project, just because you can spend as you build. You don't need $20,000 dollars up front just to start. (What is that in lira?? :^) ) It's reasonably fast (if light) very responsive and from what I hear extremely fun to fly Can't be the worst it beats a C-150 and even they aren't the worst. John - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > Does anybody out there has some time to convince me the KR2S is the best > airplane in the world? After that, gimme some good reason that it's the > worst! > Michele (KR2S dreamer from Italy) > -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:29:56 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Visit to Mike's At 06:44 AM 10/28/97, you wrote: I will probably be bugging him again soon since I am out his way fairly frequently...hear that Mike?....I'll be back.... > NO problemo dude! Anytime! Actually next time bring some shop clothes and I will teach you how to sand micro! :o) Oh yea and thanks for the complements! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:31:55 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: limbach engine Micheal Mims wrote: > > If I was thinking VW I would stick with Great Plains! All the others, > Limbach, Revmaster, etc are so darn proprietary that when you break them you > only have ONE source for parts! With Steve's engines you can get on the > horn and have parts coming pronto or if he's out of stock go on down to your > local VW speed shop. > > Mike "VW?" Mims > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Many KR nuts seem to be satisfied with Great Plains. I was disappointed when I found out that Great Plains no longer supports ( sells parts for) the type4. I understand that they are doing research on a drive for the T4 crank at the transmission end. This means that if you are in a hurry to get a type 4 in the air, you can't get parts from them. Steve ...how about a few comments on T4 parts availability from you! Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:41:01 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR newbies At 12:21 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Michele, >Here are my KR comments. I am a guy who has only 105 hours of spam >can flying time and is building a KR. Experienced KR flyers may see it >differently........ I think your right on the money,... there Bob! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:53:18 -0500 From: "Scott Goodman" Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies - ---------- > From: jeb > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 11:23 AM > > It may not be the best in the world, but it IS a really > good project, just because you can spend as you build. > You don't need $20,000 dollars up front just to start. > (What is that in lira?? :^) ) Oddly enough, its approximately 36,363,636 Lyra. Sorry, I like numbers ; ) - -Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:06:56 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 >In depth info???? Sure, I'll try to answer here or you can call me at (940) >691-1902 in the evenings. >Tom Bagnetto >Wichita Falls, TX Well, thanks Tom! Sorry about the incorrect spelling of your name, but I got it off one of the 97 KR Gathering photo pages and assumed it was correct. Now I know. About that type-4 installation of yours: it looks great, sounds great, and apparently runs great! Could you give us a run down of what you did to it? Like, what parts did you add to the basic engine, where did you get the crank, jugs, pistons, etc, to turn it into a 2600cc beast; what type of ignition are you running; what kinda carb is on it; how'd you handle the oil system; etc. I've captured and printed out all the photos I could find of your installation because it's precisely what I'd like to accomplish with a type-4 I've just acquired. So, don't hold back, big guy! Anything you might want to share with us will be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks! Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:42:17 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Visit to Mike's On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:29:56 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:44 AM 10/28/97, you wrote: >I will probably be bugging him again soon since I am out his way fairly >frequently...hear that Mike?....I'll be back.... >> > >NO problemo dude! Anytime! Actually next time bring some shop clothes = and >I will teach you how to sand micro! :o) > >Oh yea and thanks for the complements! > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >=20 >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Don't think nobody will catch on Mike! I see what you're up to! Free shop labor, huh? Well I might just have to come visit you sometime and you can teach me to sand micro. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #149 *****************************