From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 6:00 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #159 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 159 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 06:19:11 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: KR-2S near San Antonio >From: "Randy Stout" >To: "KRNET" >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:42:44 -0600 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Hi KR-Netters > >I just received my plans for the KR-2S, and am anxious to get started. > >I was wondering if anyone is within driving distance of San Antonio. >If there is, would you mind visiting and sharing ideas. > > >Randy Stout - San Antonio TX >r5t0ut@flash.net > Hi, Randy You have an EXCELLENT resource very close by: Bobby Muse is in Wimberly, and has a KR-2 flying. He is on the KRNet, but I think he gets the digest, so may be a few days before he sees this. Try him at bmuse@mindspring.com Good luck! Hey- what type of engine are you planning to use? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:20:12 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: KR on CD-ROM On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:49:41 -0600 (CST) > >From: Steven A Eberhart > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Subject: KR: dragging out the newsletter horse - again > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >with snips > >I just finished printing out the sections on spar and wing > >construction for the Long-EZ from the Rutan CR ROM's. but > >what a resource for homebuilders! > > > >With the resources here on KRnet we could put together a comparable > >resource for KR builders. It would require getting Rand Robinson and > >the copyright holders of the newsletters on board but a split in > >royalaty payments for the individual copyright holders might do the > >trick. > > > >Steve Eberhart > > > Hi, Steve- > > This wouldn't be all that hard to do, except for the part about getting > the copyright thing straightened out. CD-ROM burners are everywhere > these days (we have one in our office for archiving drawings onto CDs), > and with a little cleaning up and good mastering, it certainly shouldn't > cost anybody $330 to get ahold of one! As my own opinion, it shouldn't > cost anybody more than $20 or $30. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > I agree with your cost estimates. My only concerne is if we can get RR and the copyright owners to get on board with small royalty payments. THe KRnet archives and the online newsletter isn't going to be enough content. I think it needs the newsletters and plans. This may be the vehicle to get our own plans and construction manual under way though. Wow, a public domain plans built airplane with the copy left copyright would be neat. With the technical support that isn't available from RR it wouldn't be much different buying a public domain CD to build your airplane from. Besides all plans venders tell you that if you change the design - change the name. It would be nice though to get the blessed KR-2S plans on the CD. Without a reasonable royalty I don't think that RR is going to be interrested though. I don't know how the liability issue would be interpreted on a public domain design. Any lawyers monitoring this? Since Rutan has published his construction manuals with a specific disclamer that they are not to be used to construct an airplane from this might be the way to go. Steve newtech@newtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:24:26 -0500 (EST) From: ElColorado@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: paint sags Imron is the easiest most forgiving paint that I have ever used. (I am not a good painter, but have done quite a few projects) I does not run easily, nor does it "orange peel" when put on too lightly. However, you will not "rub out" any imperfections. I had heard that it is difficult to match, but my experience with covering runs, sags, and other mistakes on "new" work has been very good. Just clean it up and shoot it again.. WORD OF CAUTION: Imron is a very "hot" paint. In some locations, you can not even buy it unless you are a "Pro". You MUST use a respirator with outside air. Lacking a proper paint booth, I shoot it outside. William E. Moore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:56:43 -0600 From: "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" Subject: KR: RE: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE8FF.95462D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy, I tried to send this to you personally but something is wrong with your e-mail address. M. Hartman/N926FW >---------- >From: Randy Stout[SMTP:r5t0ut@flash.net] >Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 7:42PM >To: KRNET > > >Hi KR-Netters > >I just received my plans for the KR-2S, and am anxious to get started. > >I was wondering if anyone is within driving distance of San Antonio. >If there is, would you mind visiting and sharing ideas. > > >Randy Stout - San Antonio TX >r5t0ut@flash.net > - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE8FF.95462D00 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" To: "'r5tOut@flash.net'" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:28:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Randy, Don't know if you have purchased any of the kit yet, but since you are in San Antonio, which is only 10 hours from me here in Belle Chasse, Louisiana, I thought I'd offer to sell you a boat, spars, and a complete RR top deck kit for the KR-2S. You can have these items for the small sum of $1200.00, a great deal less than the top deck alone if you purchased it from RR. If you would wish to purchase the top deck only, it can be had for $900.00. The majority of the construction of the boat and spars was accomplished by me, and is of excellent quality. The materials used were high quality douglas fir and aircraft mahogany plywood for the boat, douglas fir and aircraft birch plywood for the spars. The purchase of these items would save you a couple of hunderd hours of your time. The top deck kit is the standard RR KR-2S that you see in all their ads. It consists of a honeycomb/epoxy glass rigid forward fuselage section, a epoxy glass canopy frame and lightly tinted plexiglass canopy, and a honeycomb/ epoxy glass rigid turtledeck area. There are also two honeycomb/epoxy glass bows that are used at the canopy/turtle deck junction. The purchase of this top deck would save you another couple of hundred hours or more of your time. The trip over here to pick up these items would also allow you and I to get together over my nearly completed KR-2S so that you could see most of what I've done on mine. Thanks, M. Hartman/N926FW P.S. There's always lagniappe in southern Louisiana. >---------- >From: Randy Stout[SMTP:r5t0ut@flash.net] >Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 7:42PM >To: KRNET > ><> >Hi KR-Netters > >I just received my plans for the KR-2S, and am anxious to get started. > >I was wondering if anyone is within driving distance of San Antonio. >If there is, would you mind visiting and sharing ideas. > > >Randy Stout - San Antonio TX >r5t0ut@flash.net > - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE8FF.95462D00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:12:21 +0200 From: "PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE'" Subject: KR: Re: Re: need help on A.H. wiring Hi Larry The avionics guys had a look at your request but were unable to find any data, they say try your local avionics specialist for help. Sorry Kind regards Anton P-I-F@pixie.co.za - ---------- > From: PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE' > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Re: need help on A.H. wiring > Date: 3`03, November 03, 1997 07:48 > > Hi All > > I'm doing Technical Refreasher lectures tomorrow at work so I'll > take a copy of this post and give it to the instrument guys, they > should be able to help if they want to. > > Cheers > Anton > South Africa > > > ---------- > > From: julie flesner > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: need help on A.H. wiring > > Date: 1`01, November 01, 1997 03:58 > > > > Fellow netters, > > > > I have a Bendix Aviation model 14601-1A-A1 artifical > > horizon that is 28V , 3 phase, 400 cycle. I also have > > a Century Instrument Corp. model 1600, 14vdc to 28vac > > converter. > > > > My problem is that when the instrument was removed from > > the aircraft, they simply cut the wires. Does anyone > > on the net have the knowledge or resource available > > to tell me how to wire these two together? It is a nice > > looking instrument and was supposed to be working fine > > when it was removed for a panel upgrade. One of it's > > features is a non-tumbling aerobatic gyro(it was built > > for the Navy). The best part was it was only $100 > > for the gyro and converter !!!!! I had to take a chance > > at that price!!! > > > > Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Southern Illinois > > University Aviation Tech. Dept. may be able to help me out > > but I haven't had a chance to call anyone over there yet. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > larryfle@midwest.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:38:03 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: Re: KR: WHITE PRIMER > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:56:01 -0800 > From: "John F. Esch" > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: WHITE PRIMER > Reply-to: krnet-l@teleport.com > Isn't silver heavy and is there a lighter alternative? > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR > > TANDEM2 wrote: > > > can you paint your bird darker colors? i don't know, i know i will > > not, but > > who ever has the yellow bird that was at the gathering, ask him how > > things are > > working out. Most people at the Gathering paid little attention to the Taylorcraft at the outer edge of the parking area on Friday, but it had nitrate dope to fill the fabric, butyrate dope for build up, silver for UV protection and Shell Yellow AcriGlow and Navy Blue AcriGlow for trim. AcriGlow is a urethane. All are compatible. Coverage of the silver is no problem. Rex Ellington Norman OK > > tandem2 > > > > Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:49:03 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Troy's engine-out At 05:37 AM 11/4/97 PST, you wrote: >Hi, Bobby- > >What happened to Troy's engine? I hadn't heard about this incident. I >guess I should remember, but is he running a Revmaster? > >Oscar > I think Troy had a Posa which worked great and decided to try something else and got a vapor lock in the float bowl. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: WHITE PRIMER i don't know what RV people do, all i know is, if you paint your bird other then white, you will pay dearly. if you follow the steps i mention in painting your bird and keep it white, i beleave you will be ok. what i said on how to go about painting is only an idea, i am sure there are other ideas on how to paint, but i will paint my bird the way i mention. if its good enough for a E-RACER i know it's good enough for a KR. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: N415RJ rick, are you heading here to the great seattle area? something was said about that tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KRKosh Taylorcraft In a message dated 97-11-04 10:39:46 EST, you write: << Most people at the Gathering paid little attention to the Taylorcraft at the outer edge of the parking area on Friday,... >> ...AND a real cutie too Rex - I mean the plane! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: WHITE PRIMER oh, i am sorry, i thought from the pictures i saw there was a kr in yellow with red splashes on it. it kind of looked like neils old plane. the turtledeck was not on this plane. no i am not sure how heavy silver is, from my very early talks with mott tayler, he used this method and was ok to work with. you can probably leave the silver out and go with the catalized primer, me, i will go with the silver. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:12:11 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Good deals I found on the web Just thought I'd share the following discoveries I made today while roaming thru the web classified ads. The site I was at is: http://ul-flyer.com/mdex/ Disclaimer: I have no interest in either the web site or any of these offereings. I just thought I'd share what I found! Ed Newbold :o) ============================================================================== Revmaster Engines for sale!!! I have two D-2100 64 h.p. can be turboed to over 85 h.p. One is new with 0 hrs dual Bendix mags, alternator, carb, geared starter, oil cooler, exhaust, and soft mounts. Price is $1700. Second has 30 hrs. Mostly break-in and setup time. Has no oil cooler, or exhaust. Runs strong! Price is $1400. These are a real bargin at this price. New Revmaster prices are almost $5000. Contact Dave 425 204-7804 or e-mail dchiatt@worldnet.att.net Seattle area. =============================================================================== I also have 2 Lycoming 0-290 engines for sale. One is G model for aircraft use. Price $900. Second is converted to D Model. Complete with new Bendix mags and assembled lower end Extra gaskets. Price $1700. Call for details. These engines are a bargin for anyone wanting 130 to 140 h.p. in their homebuilt airplane. Contact Dave 425 204-7804 or e-mail dchiatt@worldnet.att.net Seattle area. =============================================================================== 1988 partially completed Glassair kit. Some controls completed & wing is in jig. $10,000.00. Kit is complete except for liquids. Lycoming O320B3B with all accessories including prop governor with 3584.6 total time & 1784.6 SMOH. $4000.00. McCauley B2D34C207 propeller not yellow tagged - suitable for experimental only $600.00. Call Art McMurtry at (901) 386-3691. (Memphis, TN area) =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:22:10 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Bradley Aero Web page On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, TANDEM2@aol.com wrote: >can anyone give me the address of bradley aero --- is suppose to have ad >in sport plane. web site will do. Your wish is my command. Here it is: http://www.kgmsoftworks.com/bradley/aero.html Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:31:35 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: Bradley Aero Web page Ed, thanks for the info, will be a great help tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:39:42 -0700 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: webpage update I finally got around to scanning photos have updated webpage with a few perry shots and some project stuff, seats and front/deck header tank. just got another roll back will try and scan later today? John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:52:16 -0500 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Taxi Testing KR-1 Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > > Cary, are they scannable? It may be worth putting them on the net for all > to view. I am sure one of us net heads will scan them and upload to our web > sites. Yup. May take a week or so, but will see what I can do. I actually still have the Posa that came with my Revmaster. It even includes the card-heat deflector box that the original owner used. I will not likely ever use it as the RevFlow carb is doing just fine for me. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:49:01 -0500 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Taxi Testing KR-1 - Thanks Cary Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: enewbold@sprynet.com > I dunno. I can keep it running endlessly so long as I keep it above idle, so I'm > fairly certain it's drawing fuel ok. > Has to be the needle setting then. I know one of the articles indicated that there may be a problem co-ordinating the low spped and high spped needle settings. > Thanks for the offer, Cary. If you get them to me, I'll read them (copy them) > and return them to you ASAP. All help is appreciated. Actually, I will copy them for you and send them off. Easier for you that way. If anyone else needs a copy I'll try to OCR them and mail them off electronic wise. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:07:28 -0500 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Taxi Testing KR-1 - Thanks Cary Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > Has to be the needle setting then. I know one of the articles indicated > that there may be a problem co-ordinating the low spped and high spped > needle settings. Sorry. That should read speed. Too many distractions and I crash-n-burn! - - Cary :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:26:41 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Flight Testing AC on the web KRNetHeads, Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook,, AC 90-89A is on the web in html format at http://www.safetydata.com/a90-89a.htm and in Acrobat (that'll be $5 for the plug, Miims) at http://members.iex.net/~rael/kolb/read.html (better graphics). It's downloadable directly from ftp://ftp.fedworld.gov/pub/faa-oai/90-89a.pdf . It's ALL gonna be out there before it's over with... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:54:17 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: KR: assembly question I have just noticed that if the header fuel tank is mounted firmly in place (per plans) then the engine mount bolts are not accessable. As a matter of fact they are impossible. What is the recommended technique: bonding the bolts to the forward doubler, using nutplates inside the compartment between the tank and the doubler and safety-wiring the bolts from the engine side? I guess this is another area where the "plans" are not too specific. I called Jeanette and she actually returned my call with the comment to "make sure the engine mount is permanently attached before installing the tank. Does it say that somewhere? I'm diverging.... Can anyone supply a recommendation for attaching the engine mount reliably? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:25:18 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > > > We are going a bit overboard on this one. The maximum stress levels will > >> > occur at the junction of the spar and the fuselage. > >> Very true, Here's my tips. . . . > > All sounds very good, but I thought of something else. Could you avoid the > problem by epoxying a piece of wood with a T-nut or something to the spar and > bolt your fitting to that? Or would the glued piece of wood set up a stress > riser at that place on the spar and be as bad as a hole? > > Mike Taglieri You can do this, stress risers will be avoided if the "extra" piece is tapered in some manner. There really is no need to do that though, with a little care, there are no problems and no reduction in strength due to small holes in the main spar. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:47:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: assembly question At 04:54 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >I have just noticed that if the header fuel tank is mounted firmly in >place (per plans) then the engine mount bolts are not accessable. As a >matter of fact they are impossible. What is the recommended technique: >bonding the bolts to the forward doubler, using nutplates inside the >compartment between the tank and the doubler and safety-wiring the >bolts from the engine side? Don't know the recommended technique but I used a hole saw and cut a hole under each bolt (in the shelf above your feet) So I could get to the bolt with a wrench. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: AC 90-89A, Flight Test Article You can see a copy of AC 90-89A, Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook, at http://www.safetydata.com/a90-89a.htm. The whole AC, minus illustrations, is there in HTML. Also, there is an article in the December Kitplanes about the first 40 hours in an Avid Flyer that looks like pretty good reading. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com N415RJ ~35% complete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:01:35 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: KRNet on CD-ROM Hey Netters; I just checked my cost for a CD blank: it's less than $2.00. I can burn up to 640MB of data onto one CD-ROM. If you want to put the online KR Manual, good photos of assembly details, ideas, flight test manual, whatever... on CD, I can burn them for cheap. Just don't know how much data we're talking about (photos are mucho kilobytes). I can make these and ship them anywhere in the US for less than $20, I'll bet. I am not talking about doing individual favors for everybody! What I have in mind here is in RE: the thread about the Rutan stuff on CD-ROM, and how cool it would be to do the same with KR stuff, for Netters. Only catch is, if we do this, I get to design the labels. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: N415RJ In a message dated 97-11-03 23:21:17 EST, you write: << At 22:02 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >The tail number is reserved, now all I have to do is finish the airplane..... > and the test manual..... and the builder's manual supplement...... piece >of cake. Did I mention I'm changing jobs? No big deal, I've heard that has >very little impact on your available building time..... Still planning on >flying to the '98 gathering. > >Sorry for rambling, it happens some times. > >Cheers! >Rick > > New job? I hear there are strong sucking sounds from the region of Seattle that are centered on McD ... am I getting warm? Regards Brian brian whatcott Altus OK >> Very warm, actually. I'm trading in my Air Force wings for civilian wings. But I'll be staying here in St Louis, I've lined up a job in the flight test department at Boeing (formerly McD), working on the F-15 and F-18 programs. I was talking to one of the guys in the department about my KR project, and the chief test pilot happened by and overheard our conversation. He looked at me and said, "You mean you're building one of those wood, foam, and fiberglass things? You're not going to FLY it, are you....?" Then he started chuckling, I'm still not quite sure why. I was talking with the same guy the week after I bought my engine, and again the chief test pilot overheard the conversation and said, "Now let me get this straight: you paid $3400 for a Volkswagen and didn't even get the car...?" There's that chuckle again. Quite a sense of humor those guys have, huh? Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO N415RJ ~35% complete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:59:31 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Telex Intercoms I anyone familiar with the Telex TC200 intercom? I'm assuming it's an older model, but is it panel mount or portable? If it's a portable, I'd consider disassembling it and rebuilding it as a panel mount. I saw one advertised for $100 on AvWeb. Anyone have any comments? Thanks! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO N415RJ ~35% complete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:02:03 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: N415RJ At 20:50 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-11-03 23:21:17 EST, you write: > >...I've lined up a job in the flight test >department at Boeing (formerly McD), working on the F-15 and F-18 programs. >... >Cheers! >Rick Junkin > Oh how boring; taking the ol' untested F-15 modification out for a spin; even worse, deploying those fuselage strakes on the ol' yella jacket at max thrust. I woulda thought you coulda done better :-) (envy, envy...) Brian brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:22:47 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Telex Intercoms At 08:59 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >I anyone familiar with the Telex TC200 intercom? I'm assuming it's an older >model, but is it panel mount or portable? If it's a portable, I'd consider >disassembling it and rebuilding it as a panel mount. I saw one advertised >for $100 on AvWeb. Anyone have any comments? Thanks! > I don't know how much RST gets for their intercom now but I have one with a million hours on it and it still going strong! Check their web site! I believe its less than $100. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:49:01 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KRKosh Taylorcraft On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:07:57 -0500 (EST) BSHADR@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-11-04 10:39:46 EST, you write: > ><< Most people at the Gathering paid little attention to the Taylorcraft > at the outer edge of the parking area on Friday,... >> > >...AND a real cutie too Rex - I mean the plane! :-) > I sure noticed when most of the KRs were still cowering in the hanger from the winds and you cranked up and left. It pretty much convinced the rest of us to get out there and do some flying. :o) - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:28:27 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: paint sags On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:23:08 -0800 Ross writes: >A old body pro used to joke, that if it starts to run, just lay it on >thick and cut it with a razor blade. (He was joking of course.) However >I got the impression from him that it was better to spray thicker than >thin, as you can rub out the finish later. If it's too thin, you don't >have much to rub out before hitting primer... at least thats what >I got from it. > > -- Ross > That's all fine for a paint shop. Remember, this conference is about painting an airplane where thick paint equals more weight. More weight equals a slower plane. I was a bit surprised at how much weight I added to my plane by painting it. Also, the paint moved the CG back slightly as well. Now, I know somebody's gonna ask how much weight did it add and how much of a CG shift. Well, I don't really remember for sure, but the weight on the tailwheel in the level position changed from 4# to 13#. I think the overall weight difference was more than 20# and may have been closer to 25. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:17:25 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Doug FIR Sports fans, just got home from Home Base and found some VERY nice Doug FIR there. I wrote down a few prices and compared to spruce when I got home and found the FIR to be up to 10 x less in cost! Interesting huh? Anyway if you have a Home Base, Home Depot, OSH , etc, you may be able to find some nice Clear Doug FIR there! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 7:32:36 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: RE: KR: webpage update Jeb Nice web page I am interested in the turbine powered KR. Does anyone have a contact address of the owner for me? Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za - ---------- From: SMTP1@K1 - Server@Servers[] To: "krnet-l@teleport.com ." Cc: Subject: KR: webpage update Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 12:39PM I finally got around to scanning photos have updated webpage with a few perry shots and some project stuff, seats and front/deck header tank. just got another roll back will try and scan later today? John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:45:31 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: webpage update Jeb my man! Two of the pictures you have listed as Bobby are actually Troy in his RV, one kinda looks like I was in the pilot seat! Anyway, I didn't want folks to think there was a RV look-a-like out there yet! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:58:23 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: webpage update On Wed, 5 Nov 97 7:32:36 =FF=FF=FF, you wrote: >Jeb >Nice web page >I am interested in the turbine powered KR. Does anyone have a contact = address of the owner for me? >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za >---------- Steve, Mike Ladigo 6822 S Toledo Tulsa, OK 74136 (918) 495-3662 Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 06:08:17 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: 78mm cranks On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 04:25:39 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >can anyone give me the address of > >bradley aero --- is suppose to have ad in sport plane. > >web site will do > >thanks > >tandem2 Here ya go: http://www.kgmsoftworks.com/bradley/ Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 06:36:41 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: elect. art. horz On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:58:16 -0600 (CST), you wrote: > Thanks Anton and Cole for your replys. I do know > John Johnson. He is the Tech. Advisor for our local > EAA chapter.=20 > > I have two JPG's at 110k of my instrument panel and > one of the top mounted rudder pedals with the toe > brakes mounted completely on the pedal bars. If someone > has a place for me to post them I would be happy to=20 > share them with other builders. I'm afraid that attaching > them to my e-mail will tie things up a bit for=20 > everyone. > > Larry Flesner > =20 > The pictures are now available at: http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 06:42:03 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: assembly question Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 04:54 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: > >I have just noticed that if the header fuel tank is mounted firmly in > >place (per plans) then the engine mount bolts are not accessable. As a > >matter of fact they are impossible. What is the recommended technique: > >bonding the bolts to the forward doubler, using nutplates inside the > >compartment between the tank and the doubler and safety-wiring the > >bolts from the engine side? > > Don't know the recommended technique but I used a hole saw and cut a hole > under each bolt (in the shelf above your feet) So I could get to the bolt > with a wrench. > > ________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Or do it like the plans say, then make your fuel tank and front deck removable. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying off the 40 hours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:18:20 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: N415RJ/new job You wrote: >Very warm, actually. I'm trading in my Air Force wings for civilian >wings. But I'll be staying here in St Louis, I've lined up a job in >the flight test department at Boeing (formerly McD), working on the F-15 and F-18 programs. > >Cheers! >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com >St. Charles MO >N415RJ ~35% complete > Hey, Rick; This would make a very interesting study for the "head examiners". The fact that a jet jockey has chosen the KR as a recreational project. I wonder if that means that it's high-performance enough to keep your interest, or twitchy enough to make things interesting, or maybe it's the thought that it might be fun trying to keep a foam 'n' glass thing with a veedub four-banger together in flight? Or did you inherit some KR parts and just decide to jump into it? Trying to get into a KR builder's head here. I see all types here on the Net, with nothing yet that pulls everybody together. Maybe I need to visit the tin benders or ragwing site for a while to find out what the attraction is? I found the same thing with Anton Fouche, who also posts here, and who is a professional pilot. Funnin', and wishing you the best in your new civvies. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:34:09 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Access to bolts/fuel tank The removable fuel tank idea is what I plan to do; with access to instruments, rudder pedals/brakes, everything. Using piano hinges for top cowl and fuel tank, as mentioned by Mark Langford and others, and as detailed in Bingelis' books (yeah, I'm partial to Tony... being a Texan too). The engine mount bolts should be fully accessible during annual inspection for torque checking or whatever. I know this may add a little weight (have you heard this before?), but I think the maintenance aspect far outweighs this. Yeah, my (future) KR may be one of those bloated pigs that grunts out at 300 fpm with its asthmatic Soob mill, but at least I haven't thought about putting in air conditioning... yet. There has to be someplace to cut lightening holes to offset all this weight I'll be adding in. Good thing about doing all of this on paper first is that I don't lose anything. Thanks again, Netters, for all the help in planning and thinking, before it translates into $$ and redoing things a couple of times! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:46:09 -0600 From: "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" Subject: KR: RE: Doug FIR Be careful of the pitch pockets! >---------- >From: Micheal Mims[SMTP:mikemims@pacbell.net] >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 10:17PM >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Doug FIR > >Sports fans, just got home from Home Base and found some VERY nice Doug FIR >there. I wrote down a few prices and compared to spruce when I got home and >found the FIR to be up to 10 x less in cost! Interesting huh? Anyway if >you have a Home Base, Home Depot, OSH , etc, you may be able to find some >nice Clear Doug FIR there! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:00:15 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: N415RJ/new job An interresting pole to take would be the num,ber of KR builders that were model airplane builders as a kid. After building model airplanes the KR construction seems like a natural follow on. Steve On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > You wrote: > > >Very warm, actually. I'm trading in my Air Force wings for civilian > >wings. But I'll be staying here in St Louis, I've lined up a job in > >the flight test department at Boeing (formerly McD), working on the > F-15 and F-18 programs. > > > >Cheers! > >Rick Junkin > >EagleGator@aol.com > >St. Charles MO > >N415RJ ~35% complete > > > Hey, Rick; > > This would make a very interesting study for the "head examiners". The > fact that a jet jockey has chosen the KR as a recreational project. I > wonder if that means that it's high-performance enough to keep your > interest, or twitchy enough to make things interesting, or maybe it's > the thought that it might be fun trying to keep a foam 'n' glass thing > with a veedub four-banger together in flight? Or did you inherit some > KR parts and just decide to jump into it? > > Trying to get into a KR builder's head here. I see all types here on > the Net, with nothing yet that pulls everybody together. Maybe I need > to visit the tin benders or ragwing site for a while to find out what > the attraction is? I found the same thing with Anton Fouche, who also > posts here, and who is a professional pilot. > > Funnin', and wishing you the best in your new civvies. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #159 *****************************