From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 5:57 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #173 krnet-l-digest Friday, November 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 173 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:30:52 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs - ------------------- Netters: Some time back there was a thread about dual ignition and trying to use one set of plugs. I don't know if anything was ever agreed on. What would be the problem with two complete ignitions, both firing all of the time into one set of plugs. With a switch on each ignition so you could check each ignition by turning off the switch to each ignition. MSD has a automatic coil selector that I think would allow you to have two ignitions with two coils going to their coil selector and then into one set of plugs. Am I missing something? It seems like you could have two ignitions firing one set of plugs???? Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:14:40 -0800 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR: Computer virus The best response to most inquiries I've found in my day job is to issue pointers the users can investigate themselves; therefore: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - fitting the engine rails Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: Jeffrey E Scott > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Computer virus > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:04 PM > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:58:45 -0800 someone writes: > >>> > > > >> >I received a message today from a friend cautioning me not opening > >> >any e-mail titled "Join the Crew". It supposedly will erase > everything > >> >on your hard drive! Feel free to pass this on. The caution originally > came from someone at IBM. > >> > > > Please do NOT send stuff like this to mailing lists. I know you think > you are doing us all a favor, but you've just been had. > > Part of my day job is computer security. I see stuff like this every > day. They are known as "Urban Legends". In short, there is no such > thing as an e-mail message that will automatically run an executable file > that can damage your system. A virus may be attached as an executable, > but you would have to be foolish enough to run an unknown executable > program. Most people should know better. > > These "Urban Legends" only affect computers and networks by users > continuously resending the same messages to large numbers of people. > Again, you've been had and hopefully educated. > > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:13:01 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Early Christmas The UPS truck just brought me four boxes of KR parts that I bought from Malcolm Hartman in Lousiana. This is better then Christmas. I now have cleveland wheels & brakes, Diehl Tri-gear, three tires and tubes, motor mount with the nose gear attachment, and bunches of other things. This is cool. I am jazed up. However I didn't get much done on the KR today, I just set in the shop and looked at all of this stuff. Malcolm still has the RR top decks and canopy for sale if anyone is interested. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:52:28 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs At 04:30 PM 11/19/97 -0800, you wrote: I don't know if anything was ever agreed on. What would be the problem with two complete ignitions, both firing all of the time into one set of plugs. With a switch on each ignition so you could check each ignition by turning off the switch to each ignition. >>> Well one thing I learned from the thread on this list and two others is that people tend to go way overboard in building up a redundant ignition. What I decided on was that the things most prone to failure are obviously the only things that should be redundant,..right? I still feel one electronic or points type ignition is sufficient as I don't see too many cars on the side of the road with complete ignition failures, on the other hand if I were to use magnetos you can bet your butt I would have two! There are just too many moving parts in those archaic beast to have only one as a ignition source! I think if I were to consider electronic ignition I would use the following: 1) One set of plugs 2) One set of plug wires 3) One distributor 4) Dual modules in the distributor (as used by the Subaru guys) 5) Dual coils with the MSD ignition switching device Advancements in electronic ignitions that can fire a .060 gap on the newer exotic metals electrodes and better materials used in the construction of high tension leads almost eliminates the possibility of failure on those two components (plugs and wires) so why carry around 2 sets? Distributor caps and rotors if inspected on a regular basis will almost never create a problem. Of course good quality parts should be used, I have learned that the best parts available for my cars are the ones from the manufacturer! Cheep parts that can be had a auto parts stores are more than not,... pieces of crap! You gets what you pay for! So,..things that still fail (but vary rarely) ignition modules and coils. So maybe rudundancy is needed here? You could label the modules in the distributor primary and secondary and the same for the coils connected to the MSD switch. My opinion and yes,..its worth every bit that you paid! :o) PS In my hours of flying, only three times has an airplane raised my brow! Brand new factory re-man magnetos were the culprit in all three cases! This is one area where certified engines could gain substantially! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:27:12 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Early Christmas Marvin What is the canopy for -2, or -2S and how much? John F. Esch Salem, OR MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > The UPS truck just brought me four boxes of KR parts that I > bought from Malcolm Hartman in Lousiana. This is better then > Christmas. > I now have cleveland wheels & brakes, Diehl Tri-gear, three tires and > > tubes, motor mount with the nose gear attachment, and bunches of other > > things. This is cool. I am jazed up. However I didn't get much done > > on the KR today, I just set in the shop and looked at all of this > stuff. > Malcolm still has the RR top decks and canopy for sale if > anyone > is interested. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net > ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:11:41 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Computer virus Thanks for the concern, Bob, but John is absolutley correct in his assesment that this "alert" is a hoax. I too, like John, monitor my bank's network for security and/or virus hazards, and this is just pure nonsense. [Snip]------------------------------------------------------------------- >I hope all of you have already received the following. My daughter sent >it to me this afternoon. >Bob Maniss >>>I received a message today from a friend cautioning me... - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:45:42 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Ellison woes, part 2 >I think intake turbulence is the answer but hey, 90% of the time it >hurts when I think! >_________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims > Hey, Mike- This is probably from the Aeropoxy fumes. Try a respirator, drink lots of water, and ventilate your workspace. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:16:11 -0800 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Ellison woes, part 2 Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 01:00 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > >KRNetheads: > > > >Looks like we struck out on this one so far. Following is an update note > >from Rob on status. Any other bright ideas? > > > >Randy Stein > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ><<...Any way, I did the splitter and eased the 90 degree bend and ya know > >what - didn't help one bit - I'm getting desperate now, > > What did Ellison say? I don't remember if he mentioned it but I am sure he > realizes that the Ellison is very sensitive to head pressure. What did Brad > say? I think intake turbulence is the answer but hey, 90% of the time it > hurts when I think! > > PS My favorite intake turbulator is a IHI turbocharger! :o) > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims You may be looking at this problem from the wrong perspective. First check the torque on your head bolts, second, check the valve clearance, then do a compression check if the first two don't help. If you have leaky valves or a busted ring, reengineering your intake is a waste of time. When you are assured that the your cylinders are nearly even then you may want to experiment with a plenum chamber arangement somewhere in your intake, either just behind the carburator or in the form of log type manifolds such as Tom B's beautiful examples. Bruce "Can't get rid of the drag strip mentality no matter how old I get" Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:56:56 -0600 From: "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" Subject: RE: KR: Early Christmas The canopy and top deck kit that I have are for a 2s, and are inseparable. I will not sell the canopy without the rest of the top deck kit. The price for the kit is $900.00 firm, you pay shipping. This is a brand new RR kit, undamaged and unused. $900.00 is a very reasonable price for this equipment, if it doesn't sell at this price, than it just doesn't sell. Thanks, M. Hartman/N926FW >---------- >From: John F. Esch[SMTP:jesch@cyberis.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 12:27AM >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Early Christmas > >Marvin > >What is the canopy for -2, or -2S and how much? > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR > > >MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > >> The UPS truck just brought me four boxes of KR parts that I >> bought from Malcolm Hartman in Lousiana. This is better then >> Christmas. >> I now have cleveland wheels & brakes, Diehl Tri-gear, three tires and >> >> tubes, motor mount with the nose gear attachment, and bunches of other >> >> things. This is cool. I am jazed up. However I didn't get much done >> >> on the KR today, I just set in the shop and looked at all of this >> stuff. >> Malcolm still has the RR top decks and canopy for sale if >> anyone >> is interested. >> >> Marvin McCoy >> Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field >> Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net >> ---------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:24:23 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs >Well one thing I learned from the thread on this list and two others is that >people tend to go way overboard in building up a redundant ignition. What I >decided on was that the things most prone to failure are obviously the only >things that should be redundant,..right? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:27:56 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs >Well one thing I learned from the thread on this list and two others is that >people tend to go way overboard in building up a redundant ignition. What I >decided on was that the things most prone to failure are obviously the only >things that should be redundant,..right? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims > Right on, Micheal. I've also wondered about all of the redundancy. I fly in/around the mountains, and I sure like to stay out of the trees, but I think about which things fail in cars and planes, and don't see the need for extremes. Course I don't fly night IFR in solid IMC, either. Sorry about the earlier 'dud' post- I pushed the wrong button! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:17:09 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Georgetown (Texas) Fly-in >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:32:42 -0800 >From: "John F. Esch" >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Georgetown (Texas) Fly-in >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >How about Corvallis, OR? Rats, I think I was dreaming again! Slap...I >was. > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR > Actually, John, there were rumblings at one time about a mini-gathering for left coasters and out-westers. Maybe Reno or someplace like that? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: NLF fund hits $1030! In a message dated 97-11-20 10:53:14 EST, Steve wrote: << We might consider engraving the names on to the carbon fiber airfoil model used for the wind tunnel tests and see if we can get it put into the EAA museum. I don't know but I think this is a first for experimental aviation, a group of EAA members contracting the wind tunnel testing of a super performance airfoil for the benefit of the first composite experimental airplane as well as all of General Aviation. >> Well, well, well... Finally, that elusive fame...heck in tinsel town, everyone is a star - especially the waiters and waitresses. They just do it for fun (and food) between "starring" roles. I think this is a great idea - of course I’m the guy with his name written all over the bathroom walls in Southern CA (and it took me weeks to do it too)! Hey, BTW Oscar, did you see my name on the wall of any of your "branch" libraries? Seriously, this is a cool… Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:30:20 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: KR: Warp Drive propellers Before anyone gets scared off from using Warp Drive props in direct drive applications they should be aware that Warp Drive recommends their prop blades be modified in profile for direct drive higher speed applications. There is a prop specialist they recommend in Houston and the process is relatively inexpensive. The result is a prop that is more efficient and reliable. I don't want to see a manufacturer get bashed when they actually recommend modifications for the specific application. The warp drive props are a good product and if used properly have a reliable record. Bob Lasecki Chicago - yes, I ordered one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:50:41 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: canopy hinges In the Wicks catalog I see some canopy hinges for the dragonfly that sell for $2.50 each that look like they might work well for a front hinged KR. Does anyone know anything about them such as if they are strong enough or big enough? Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:14:23 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: canopy hinges At 03:50 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >In the Wicks catalog I see some canopy hinges for the dragonfly that >sell for $2.50 each that look like they might work well for a front >hinged KR. Does anyone know anything about them such as if they are >strong enough or big enough? > >Bob Smith > I have had the lazy tong hinges in my hands once or twice and I would not recommend them for a forward hinging canopy. They are way to light for that application. On the Dragonfly they are used in side hinged applications only, the D-fly builders make up hinges for the forward hinging canopies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:31:54 -0500 (EST) From: TomKR2S@aol.com Subject: KR: Hello KRNetters! I'd like to introduce myself, my name is Tom Andersen and I'm building a KR-2S at home in Orlando. I've built the boat, and I'm starting the spar. I've got most of the parts including a 1835cc VW with Slick mag, no elec. Runs great, swings a 53 x 33 at 3500rpm on the test stand. I'm an FAA certified A&P mechanic, although I admittedly do not have any aviation experience as I attained the rating 13 years ago at a wonderful little high school in Queens, NY, called Aviation High School. I've been building model planes for 15 years now, having built over 80 models with great success, I felt I could tackle the KR-2S project. I consider this the ultimate model airplane that I will get to fly inside. I'm a student pilot now, with 19 hrs instruction and 3 to go to solo, then a few more to my recreational pilot license. Funny thing about the KR-2S, no matter how many times I look at other planes, I love the KR-2S more every day. If it weren't for the KR-2S I don't know what I would do except fly an ultralight (yuk). Here's the rundown on my project's planned accessories/modifications. I welcome comments. 1) Does the prop windmill on the 1835cc VW's if the engine quits in the air? 2) Has anyone considered stall strips on the center section leading edge in addition to the washout? 3) What size prop is recommended for my KR-2S with a GP 1835 VW, no electrical, 480lb gross, 12 gal tank. Flight testing and then later for max Cruise. 4) What size fuel lines are recommended for the run to the carb, 3/8od or 1/4 od? 5) Peel ply is to be used on the glass surfaces all over the plane to flatten the weave and reduce sanding and filling. 7) I'm going to increase my stabilizer area 33% using a five-inch longer innernose rib on stabilizer, and 4"x12" triangular strakes on the front of the stab. 8) A trim tab on one side, mechanically actuated. An anti-servo tab on the other side to increase stick pressures. 8) I'm adding a dorsal fin 12" x 4" at the front base of the vertical fin. 9) I'm Monokoting the entire aircraft as though it were a huge model airplane. This should provide a super-glossy surface with no painting. Prep will be done using dry micro mix only. "Balsarite" heat-sensitive adhesive will be sprayed on the airframe as a sealer on all wood, inside and out, and this will permanently bond the mylar film to the structure, including all the glassed surfaces. This should save 20 lbs on the airframe as there will be no primer or paint used, and no glass on the fuselage. 10) I've added two inches in width at the widest point to make it 40" there. I have 37.5 inches shoulder room. 11) I'm using the regular KR-2 cowling for the 1835cc motor. The KR-2S cowl I have will not fit the 1835cc without the Force One prop extension. ($650) 12) I'm doing the taildragger with Diehl gear and Cleveland brakes, and RR Tailwheel with two springsteels. 13) RR fueltank and front deck, no stub tanks. 14) A stringered turtledeck with stringers 4" apart max at the canopy position, covered with Monokote. 15) A BRS 1050 recovery chute located in the baggage compartment. (24 lbs). Leaves 11 lbs luggage capacity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: Fwd: UL: Low Level Stalls In a message dated 97-11-20 02:13:57 EST, ATKINapaVy@aol.com writes: << Another device that should be looked at is one called the lift reserve indicator. Check out their website and contact them at www.liftreserve.com >> I found the above on an ultralight flying list... seems interesting. Jim Hayward - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: ATKINapaVy@aol.com Sender: owner-FLY-UL@perim.com Reply-to: FLY-UL@perim.com (Ultralight List!) To: FLY-UL@perim.com (Multiple recipients of list FLY-UL) Date: 97-11-20 02:13:57 EST Another device that should be looked at is one called the lift reserve indicator. Check out their website and contact them at www.liftreserve.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe or unsubscribe by sending a message to: listserv@perim.com. In the body of the message, enter SUBSCRIBE FLY-UL or UNSUBSCRIBE FLY-UL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:08:31 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: UL: Low Level Stalls At 09:54 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: > Check out their website and contact them at www.liftreserve.com >> > > I found the above on an ultralight flying list... seems interesting. > > Jim Hayward There was a few articles in Kitplanes and Sport Aviation about 10 years ago that showed how to make a device similar to this using an old airspeed indicator. Its to bad GA airplanes don't all have AOA (or lift reserve) indicators. They are great for knowing exactly what's going on! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: KR:VW - ENGINES well i just got a copy of hot vws special, the fall 1997 issue, all about vw performance engines ll. it has a lot of good things in it on how to build a better vw and for all of you who are into type 4 engines, there is one on how to get 2813cc / at 160 hp. oh ya, thats hot. so,i have been spending my time studing the type 4 and getting all the info i need to be able to build a strong,reliable type 4 vw engine. this is a must mag for those into type 4. tandem2 type 4 will eat you up ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:29:10 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: KR-1B project for Sale For Sale: Project originally started out as a KR-1, then re-registered by Rand Robinson as a KR-1B (motor glider version) so that the long wing plans could be ordered. Could be easily re-registered back to a regular KR-1 if need be. Construction is at the boat stage, sitting on standard retracts with mech. brakes. Main spar has attach fittings installed, original KR-1 outer spars are completed, with no wing attach fittings as yet. Installed are rudder pedals, center stick, aileron controls and cables. Horizo. stab. and elevator (with trim tab) are completed and ready for paint. Canopy included. Seat installed. Included are the original plans (with updates), long wing plans, several recent KR newsletters. No instruments or engine mount. Zero time 1700 cc VW Monnett conversion (intake included, but without carb or mag). Some miscellaneous wood and other parts. Located near Springfield , IL. Prefer to sell everything as a package. Make a reasonable offer. If interested further, please e-mail me direct with your questions. Ed Janssen ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:16:45 -0600 From: "L. Keith Farnsworth" Subject: KR: Virus Info Subject: Virus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I received this through Marriott: Date: 11/10/97 10:50 AM If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letter out to as many people you can.......this is a new virus and not many people know about it! This information was received this morning from IBM, please share it with anyone that might access the Internet. Also, If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please delete it WITHOUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet users - there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter,it is too late. The trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present in YOUR mailbox! This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in box, and who's mail is in their in box and so on. If this virus keeps getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks worldwide!!!! Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!! WARNING !!! There is a new virus going arround in the last couple of days!!! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very danderous virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time, Please Be Careful, And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:31:59 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Wayland T. Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: Georgetown (Texas) Fly-in Reno Sounds good to me, when we going to do it. Tom Stokes in Reno NV On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:17:09 PST "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > > >>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:32:42 -0800 >>From: "John F. Esch" >>To: krnet-l@teleport.com >>Subject: Re: KR: Georgetown (Texas) Fly-in >>Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> >>How about Corvallis, OR? Rats, I think I was dreaming again! >Slap...I >>was. >> >>John F. Esch >>Salem, OR >> > >Actually, John, there were rumblings at one time about a >mini-gathering >for left coasters and out-westers. Maybe Reno or someplace like that? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs -- possible problems >>Some time back there was a thread about dual ignition and trying >>to use one set of plugs. I don't know if anything was ever agreed on. >>What would be the problem with two complete ignitions, both >>firing all of the time into one set of plugs. With a switch on each >>ignition so you could check each ignition by turning off the switch to >>each ignition. MSD has a automatic coil selector that I think would >>allow you to have two ignitions with two coils going to their coil >>selector and then into one set of plugs. >>Am I missing something? It seems like you could have two >>ignitions firing one set of plugs???? >Well one thing I learned from the thread on this list and two others is that >people tend to go way overboard in building up a redundant ignition. What >I decided on was that the things most prone to failure are obviously the only >things that should be redundant,..right? I still feel one electronic or >points type ignition is sufficient as I don't see too many cars on the side >of the road with complete ignition failures, on the other hand if I were to >use magnetos you can bet your butt I would have two! There are just too >many moving parts in those archaic beast to have only one as a ignition >source! I think I was the one who originally raised this question, and some of the responses made me wonder about the possibility of disruption of one ignition from induced voltage caused by the other one: Here's my theory: I assume it would never be possible for two separate ignitions to fire at EXACTLY the same time. Therefore one spark gets to the plug before the other. It might not all jump the gap to ground but instead some might go up the wire to the other coil, causing a field in the secondary windings of that coil and inducing a voltage in the primary winding just about the same time that the second ignition was also inducing a field there. This could lead to more voltage than the coilmaker or the modulemaker intended and disrupt or blow the module of the second ignition. Alternatively, if you have two points ignitions, the flux of both going into one coil could be too much for the capacitor in the primary circuit and lead to arcing across the second set of points and rapid wear. Worst of all would be the possibility that the greater flux could somehow short the secondary winding of that coil to ground. Then you'd have a ground connection that the electrons did't have to jump a gap for, which might get most of the power from both ignitions, leaving you with no spark and a very hot coil maybe seconds away from an electrical fire. This is my speculation of doomsday possibilities, which needs all the commentary it can get, since my total knowledge of electronics is from a two semester adult-education vo-tech class many years ago. Does anyone know a lot about electronics here?? For all I know, it isn't even possible for the juice to go down one wire and back up the other one. Could you get diodes that could survive in the voltage of the secondary circuits to allow only one-way flow on the plug wires? Until I get some input from someone who knows this stuff, I'm cool to the idea. Aside from such speculative problems, a dual ignition/one set of plugs system sounds great, since plugs hardly ever fail and if you lost one, it would still let you get down with a fair amount of power. I think I'd do it with points, two sets in one distributor housing, firing two coils. As someone explained the last time this thread came around, it's practical to mount two sets of points in the Bosch distributor 90 degrees apart (same result as 180 degrees apart but much easier). You'd also need a backup source of power if the alternator died, and the ability to cut either ignition out of the circuit if it shorted out. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: VW Engine for sale KRNetters: This just off of the Quickie list: Enjoy, Randy Stein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: Q-LIST: Engine at a good price Date: 97-11-20 02:56:07 EST From: phantom11@juno.com (Ronald F Madsen) I have this engine for sale, anyone building a Q need it? H.A.P.I 1835cc 60 HP engine w/ dual CDI ignition, mag charging w/ regulator, electric start. New Lectron float bowl carb.called ultracarb by HAPI. Straight exhaust pipes with carb heat carb.heat. Complete with 56 X 28 wood propeller. 67 Hours logged on engine when removed from Prober Pixie to replace with higher HP certified engine. No malfunction history, excellent shape and ready to go. Asking $2000 or best offer. E-Mail or phone 804 693 5186 in S.E. Virginia ----|------||------|---- --|------[]------|-- 0/ \0 Smooth air & happy flying Ron Madsen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:12:24 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR:VW - ENGINES TANDEM2 wrote: > it has a lot of good things in it on how to build a better vw and for all of > you who are into type 4 engines, there is one on how to get 2813cc / at 160 > hp. oh ya, thats hot. If this is the same engine that was built by FAT and featured in July and August 95 Hot VWs, it puts out 122 HP at 3500 RPM! And that's wilth a higher RPM cam installed than what we would use, and a single two barrel carburetor. This is the goal that I've been working for, except I'll have a cam better suited for our RPM range, and fuel injection. Also, there's a similar engine built by Mark Stephens High Performance in the December 96 issue of VW trends that puts out 119 HP at 3500 RPM, so it must be attainable. But the heads for these engines are about $1200 for the pair. Reliability might be an issue when you push the envelope that far though. So there's something to be said for buying something that you know works from Great Plains. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: TANDEM2@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR:VW - ENGINES > Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 9:32 PM > > well i just got a copy of hot vws special, the fall 1997 issue, all about vw > performance engines ll. > it has a lot of good things in it on how to build a better vw and for all of > you who are into type 4 engines, there is one on how to get 2813cc / at 160 > hp. oh ya, thats hot. > so,i have been spending my time studing the type 4 and getting all the info i > need to be able to build a strong,reliable type 4 vw engine. > this is a must mag for those into type 4. > > tandem2 > > type 4 will eat you up ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:43:55 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Join The Crew/PenPal Greetings: Twirp of the Week To qualify for Twirp of the Week award, Farnsworth wrote this little piece quoted in part below. Anyone of good intentions can get caught by a pseudo virus message ONCE as a newbie, but when the topic has just received a thread devoted to debunking the prank, COMPLETE with a good pointer to a web page which discusses similar pranks, then sending another panic-post is ample qualification for the award. Motto: try reading kr list before sending irelevant posts ( like this one!) Regards Brian At 23:16 11/20/97 -0600, L. Keith Farnsworth wrote: >Subject: Virus >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Disposition: inline >I received this through Marriott: >Date: 11/10/97 10:50 AM >If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT open it! It >will >erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letter out to as many >people you can.......this is a new virus and not many people know about >it! > brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:52:31 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs -- possible problems At 00:56 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >... Could you get diodes >that could survive in the voltage of the secondary circuits to allow only >one-way flow on the plug wires? ... >Mike Taglieri > > Any Rodeo Schlock store has 1000v peak inverse diodes, 10,000v diodes are not too hard to get. But you might think that 50000v is a reasonable target to aim for, so then you are into mutliples which need a little space. An alternative method depends on electrode shape. A needle will arc at much lower voltage than a smooth sphere, so 2 needles pointing at a metal ball can be arranged to stop reverse pulses into the opposite needle. But then you are thinking about platinum wire for the needles and a durable ball, all nicely encapsulated... Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:39:51 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Virus Info This is from the U.S. Department of Energy's web site, and is taken directly from their "Computer Incident Advisory" page. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNET HOAXES Hoaxes described on this page: PKZ300, Irina, Good Times, Good Times Spoof, Deeyenda, Ghost PENPAL GREETINGS!, Make Money Fast, NaughtyRobot, AOL4FREE, Join the Crew, Death Ray, AOL V4.0 Cookie, A.I.D.S. Hoax Last modified: Thursday, 20-Nov-97 10:11:59 PST You are the 552247th visitor to this page. For information on Internet Chain Letters, check the New CIAC web page located at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html The Internet is constantly being flooded with information about computer viruses and Trojans. However, interspersed among real virus notices are computer virus hoaxes. While these hoaxes do not infect systems, they are still time consuming and costly to handle. At CIAC, we find that we are spending much more time de-bunking hoaxes than handling real virus incidents. This page describes many of the hoax warnings that are found on the Internet today. We will also address some of the history of hoaxes on the Internet, how to identify a new hoax warning, how to identify a validated warning and what to do if you think a message is a hoax. Users are requested to please not spread unconfirmed warnings about viruses and Trojans. If you receive an unvalidated warning, don't pass it to all your friends; pass it to your computer security manager to validate first. Validated warnings from the incident response teams and antivirus vendors have valid return addresses and are usually PGP signed with the organization's key. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to read more about this stuff, go to their site: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html Cheers, Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:57:19 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Hello KRNetters! >I'd like to introduce myself, my name is Tom Andersen and I'm >building a KR-2S at home in Orlando. I consider this >the ultimate model airplane that I will get to fly inside. Welcome, Tom! You will find this group to be friendly and helpful. I might warn you about flying your KR _inside_, though... Mike Mims tried it, and now has a KR sticking out of the wall above his mantel in the Great Room! >I'm a student pilot now, with 19 hrs instruction and 3 to go to solo, >then a few more to my recreational pilot license. Needless to say, you'll want to get some _TAILDRAGGER_ time before you take your KR up. It wouldn't hurt to try for some time in something with a low wing and some 'twitch' to it, too. Not a Cherokee; Mooney better. >Funny thing about the KR-2S, no matter how many times I look at other >planes, I love the KR-2S more every day. If it weren't for the KR-2S >I don't know what I would do except fly an ultralight (yuk). Yeah, it's sick, isn't it? Let everybody know about your progress. And do visit the various builders' sites on the web- LOTS of great ideas. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #173 *****************************