From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 2:13 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #176 krnet-l-digest Monday, November 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 176 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Adrian's flight testing comments I tried to send this directly to Adrian 3 times, but for some reason the address didn't work. Please excuse the personal use of the list. Hi Adrian, After I sent my response to your note on KRNet, I got to wondering what you were getting at with your comment that things are different when testing a homebuilt. I'd really like to hear your opinion, perhaps my perspective is a bit skewed. Thanks for your help! Rick Junkin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:31:01 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Adrian's flight testing comments My name's not Adrian, but I wrote a note then put it in the round file, as not being constructive enough. I reckon one area of outstanding difference between the homebuilds and the heavy iron is Vso: if you ride the light plane down slow and in control, you'll usually walk away. For us that means: look ahead into wind and land; above all, don't turn tail... Brian At 19:02 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >I tried to send this directly to Adrian 3 times, but for some reason the >address didn't work. Please excuse the personal use of the list. > >Hi Adrian, > >After I sent my response to your note on KRNet, I got to wondering what you >were getting at with your comment that things are different when testing a >homebuilt. I'd really like to hear your opinion, perhaps my perspective is a >bit skewed. Thanks for your help! > >Rick Junkin > > brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:22:08 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Hot tub party I'm in luck, it's a composite spa. Made from plastic. It has some interesting wood like surface on the outside, but it's not really wood, sortof a plastic particleboard stuff made too look like redwood. Hopefully it will not weather as much as real wood, we shall see. - -- Ross David Moore wrote: > > Ross, > You had better be careful, > If Oscar found out the hot tub was built out of Doug fir he'd want to take > it to the tarmac at Chino airport and set it on fire. He seems to have a > thing about bone fires and Doug fir. > > Dave Moore > > At 10:44 AM 11/21/97 -0800, you wrote: > >It's a big spa... seats 5...7 if you sit on the edge. > > > >Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> > >> >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:27:36 -0800 > >> >From: "John F. Esch" > >> >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >> >Subject: Re: KR: Video > >> >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >> > > >> >I will be there Ross > >> > > >> >John F. Esch > >> >Salem, OR > >> > > >> >Ross Youngblood wrote: > >> > > >> >> Everyone is invited to a big spa party after I get the engine > >> started! > >> > > >> > >> I'd go, too, except it looks like your spa is getting a bit crowded for > >> too many to get in. I'm not that type of guy- sorry! But, hey- I'll do > >> the chips 'n' salsa, and love to hear your engine run! > >> > >> Oscar > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- > > > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > >PIN#895-9073 > > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > >1632 > > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) > > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com > > > > > > David Moore > Turnkey1@MSComm.Com > Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:25:18 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Patience with Newbies VW and Soob power rules! - - Ross Michele Bucceri wrote: > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > >Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started > > >glueing together spruce sticks yet. > > > > > >Patrick > > >-- > > >Patrick Flowers > > >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > > > > > > Amen. Thanks, Patrick. > > > > Also, please try to be patient with folks like me, who have suddenly > > found in the Internet and KRNet, a group of like-minded people. I > > sometimes ramble on and toss in fluff, but am genuinely interested in > > harvesting data and contributing as I am able. I just get carried away > > at times with the camaraderie. I know it slows down the flow of useful > > data. > > > > I agree with Bobby, that the main intent here is to talk KRs, building, > > flying, tweaking, tech issues, ideas. I'll try to restrain until I'm in > > that position. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Oscar > > > > ... > > Gee, I will take advantage of this thread ... > Does anybody out there has some time to convince me the KR2S is the best > airplane in the world? After that, gimme some good reason that it's the > worst! > I'm not already glueing, but I think I'll begin in a few. > > Michele (KR2S dreamer from Italy) > -- > MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB > Michele Bucceri > E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it > Phone: +39-2-43888423/8781 > MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:29:00 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: indigestion? Scott, I have moved you to the digest. If anyone wants to do this themselves, send an email to mailto:majordomo@teleport.com The subject can be anything, but the body text should contain: (I have put a "*" in the word s*bscribe as this message would bounce off krnet-l if I didn't. Please use a "u" instead of a "*" or it wont work). uns*bscribe krnet-l myaddress@mycomputer.com s*bscribe krnet-l-digest myaddress@mycomputer.com (Uns*bscribing is automatic, s*bscribing requires my approval and can take a couple of days) You can post to krnet, if you are a member of the digest. -- Ross Scott Goodman wrote: > > Could someone mail me the procedure for switching to the digest version? > Too many msg's in my inbox, the digest version would be easier to handle. > > Thanks, > Scott Goodman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:37:35 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs -- possible problems Wow, I like the electromagnet idea. This could replace tow rope for metal sailplanes. A tow plane with a large electromagnet takes off and the plane, and several pocket knives depart the runway into the pattern. -- Ross brian whatcott wrote: > > At 13:38 11/21/97 -0800, you wrote: > > >Picture this, Your merging on to the I5 and look in your rear view to see a > >tractor trailer coming up but if you punch it you can make it, you punch it > >and start to merge and your ignition craps out, you get run over and die! > > >Micheal Mims > > No,no, no: just when death seemed inevitable, along comes a highway > patrol helicopter trailing a giant electromagnet - and UP you go... > > Brian ( Getting onto Rossy's SF theme ) > brian whatcott > Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:41:50 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Apology and correction Robert, No apology necessary. Regarding just asking questions. It occured to me while working in the garage on my throttle and mixture linkage, that I have no idea what I'm doing, and it still seemed to turn out OK. Guess that's what technical counselors are for. At any rate, not knowing anything has unfortunatly never stopped me from posting on KRNET, and I think it keeps me honest, I usually get corrected quickly if I post somthing stupid. - -- Regards Ross Robert Maniss wrote: > > Netters - Sorry about the "virus alert" I forwarded the other day. I'm > not very literate in computers so I still tend to be nervous about them. > Goodness knows, I create enough problems for myself in using mine, so I > panic easily. Hopefully I didn't cause any problems for anyone else. > > Correction - My "source" at the local convention and visitors bureau had > told me it was the Georgetown fly-in moving to Abilene. Wrong! Now > they say it is the Southwest Regional EAA Fly-in which has been at > Kerrville, TX. No dates on when the next one scheduled. Still hope > many of you will be able to show people in this area some beautiful > KR's. > > Since I can't seem to get things straight, I promise just to ask > questions in the future! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:50:39 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: project update---Langford KRNetHeads, Some folks have asked how I'm doing. Apparently better than I thought. I now have 1500 hours invested and have figured that I'm 45% done. Last weekend, Troy Petteway and Jim Hill came over for a critique of my project. I bounced my cockamamy wng tank strategy off of them and they both liked it. This is where I used the right tank as the only fuel tank. No valves to switch tanks. And after an hour of flight I hit a button which automatically transfers half of the left tank to the right tank. The right tank's vent goes to the left tank, so if I do it too soon, it just flows back to the left tank. The left tank has a real vent pointed into the airstream right in front of the landing gear (where the air is about the be disturbed anyway). They also liked the header tank within the right tank (thanks to Jeff Scott's idea) which employs a hinge to create a one-way door so that fuel can't exit the header during a right wing-over. I'll do pictures on the wing tanks soon. I decided to go with the sling seat for now. It has to be the lightest way to go. I had a canvas one that worked, but was a hideous shade of purple, so I made a really cool "earthy looking" one out of denim. It's way to stretchy though, so now the hunt is on for a decent shade of canvas. Yesterday I cut all of my 5/8" x .049" 4130 tubing for the rudder pedals. I plotted out a drawing of them, stuck it to plywood, and hotglued and clamped all of the tubes to it. Now I just have to tack weld all of the pieces together and take to a REAL welder to finish it up. This took me an hour. A really quick job which is well worth doing yourself, especially if you have feet that don't match the plans' geometry. I exended mine to 8.5" tall so I'll have to deliberately raise my heels off the floor to brake. None of this "left brake locked" when I hit the ground sort of thing. The plans geometry was great when brakes consisted of a pull cable, but it was never properly upgraded for toe brakes. The tailwheel block and Jim Hill's old tailwheel are now permantly mounted. Jim's going tri-gear, whenever the government will let him come home for a few weeks to finish it up. That's why he didn't make it to the Gathering. He's been in D.C. for Uncle Sam for several months. I almost have him talked into letting me share his hangar at Hazel Green airport when I finish mine. I think I now know why so many people quit when they complete the boat stage. I'm sufficiently far along that I can visualize everything required to complete the plane. The list comes to almost $12,000! You spend lots of time but comparatively little money building the boat. Then it comes time to take the big leap, and start throwing REAL MONEY at it. This is where some people loose the resolve. Fortunately for me, quitting is not an option. With the NLF airfoil sufficiently blessed, I'm forging ahead with closing out my outboard spars next. Troy and Jim agree that I'm at least half way done, even considering my use of an unproven drive shaft and radical CIS injection on an equally radical Type 4 engine. Will be mounting the outboard spars to the plane soon... 1500 hours, and HALF WAY DONE! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:51:33 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Registering Experimental Acft????? Lloyd, You can pick up the forms for registration from the FAA. FAA Aircraft Registry, DOT P.O. Box 25504 Oklahoma City OK 73125 ** From "Sportplane Builder" pp 33 The book is '87 so the address may have changed. At any rate, write them and ask for the forms for registration or pick them up from your local FAA office. You probably CAN'T be registered as the manufacturer if you bought the kit, unless it was partially completed. In either case you will probably need a notorized bill of sale from the person you purchased the project from. (These forms are also available from the FAA be sure to request it as well). In my case, I had to write an affidavit that I built the aircraft from materials purchased myself, then I had to run down to the bank and have it notorized. If you want a reserved N number then you should check the N number databases on the internet. I eliminated several choices this way. You can reserve an N number for a year for about $10, then when all the paperwork is done, you get a little 3x5 card, and then you can paint the N numbers on your plane. There is an additional procedure to obtain a repairmans certificate but you can only do this if you are the builder of the aircraft. -- Regards Ross Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how to register a home built , so that I can become > the manufacture and the previous owner is removed from that position??? > Thanks, > Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:53:25 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs This I think is the best solution, and many are flying. The problem in my case is getting a set of holes drilled in the heads... maybe someday I will upgrade to 2180 or soob, and I can get it done then.. or next winter... -- Ross Donald Reid wrote: > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > >In aviation it seems we are trying to think modern with a two magneto > > >attitude. > > > > > > > THANK YOU!!!!! > > No one has mentioned what may be the best of both worlds, at least if you > have two plugs, and that is to use a magneto for one and electronic for > the other. Mags are old tech, but they need no external power. > Electronic is great, hot spark, adjustable timing, etc, but it still > needs external power. > > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:15:38 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Headsets ??? I own some DC 20-10's but before I spent the $$$, I did a query of about everyone I asked. Peltor came up as a good set for about $130 or so, one guy flys air search for CAP, and swears by them. I looked at Flightcom headsets, but I have heard some bad comments about them coming apart over time. Otherwise they too seemed pretty good. Howard Welte wrote: > > Hello All ! > > I could use some input on Headsets. > I'm looking for a second set for my infreqit pasanger to > use. I'm on a low budget and need to keep the cost down > in the $100 range. > > the Main use will be to control noice levels for the > pasanger and to easy conversation on the intercom > (which I already have) > > comfort and reliablty is the Main requierments after price. > > let me know what you are using and how you like it ?? > > Thanks > > Howard Welte > Tracy, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:06:44 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: Registering Experimental Acft????? Ross , Thanks for the reply.. My problem is this.... The acft in question has already got an N number from the FAA and has flown off its required flight test period as spelled out by the DAR that did the airworthiness inspection..... So.. is there a way to take the original owner/builder off the data plate, so that he no longer enjoys the liability of being a builder? This situation is kind of unique because Im actually the third owner of this P-51 replica and when I talked to the original builder he got upset, because he sold the acft to a friend who agreed not register it , only to use parts off it, So at this juncture Im ready to chop this %$#@&*^& acft up into kindling and start a KR-2 project Thanks again, Lloyd PS. I was told by an FAA Inspector that as an I/A I had more liability inspecting CESSNA 150s than building an airplane. On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:51:33 -0800 Ross writes: >Lloyd, > You can pick up the forms for registration from the FAA. > > FAA Aircraft Registry, > DOT > P.O. Box 25504 > Oklahoma City OK > 73125 > >** From "Sportplane Builder" pp 33 > The book is '87 so the address may have changed. > > At any rate, write them and ask for the forms for registration >or pick them up from your local FAA office. > > You probably CAN'T be registered as the manufacturer if you bought >the kit, unless it was partially completed. In either case you will >probably need a notorized bill of sale from the person you purchased >the project from. (These forms are also available from the FAA be >sure >to request it as well). > > In my case, I had to write an affidavit that I built the aircraft >from materials purchased myself, then I had to run down to the bank >and >have it notorized. > > If you want a reserved N number then you should check the N number >databases on the internet. I eliminated several choices this way. >You can reserve an N number for a year for about $10, then when all >the paperwork is done, you get a little 3x5 card, and then you can >paint the N numbers on your plane. > > There is an additional procedure to obtain a repairmans certificate >but you can only do this if you are the builder of the aircraft. > > -- Regards > Ross > >Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me how to register a home built , so that I can >become >> the manufacture and the previous owner is removed from that >position??? >> Thanks, >> Lloyd > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:37:54 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: KR: RE: Lyc. 0-290 conversion manual KRNetters, I've been looking for this address for a while now and finally asked EAA. I was interested in using a Lyc. 0-290, and thought others might also be interested. This manual is to convert a GPU (ground power unit), to aircraft configuration. This manual can be purchased from Mr. Donald C. Pridham @ 360-683-9165. The price is $25 which includes shipping and handling. And Ross, he lives in Sequim, Wash. Dave Moore David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:35:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Lyc. 0-290 conversion manual At 10:37 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >I was interested in using a Lyc. 0-290, and thought others might also be >interested. This manual is to convert a GPU (ground power unit), to >aircraft configuration. Now that I have the airplane in the hanger and the engine sitting next to it I can tell you one thing,..I wish I would have made my firewall BIGGER! holy Cow the O-290 is BIG!! If you want to know how big go raise the hood on a Cherokee,.. because this thing is only a few inches shy of being the same size as a O-320! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:00:52 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: RE: Lyc. 0-290 At 10:35 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:37 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I was interested in using a Lyc. 0-290, and thought others might also be >>interested. This manual is to convert a GPU (ground power unit), to >>aircraft configuration. > >Now that I have the airplane in the hanger and the engine sitting next to it >I can tell you one thing,..I wish I would have made my firewall BIGGER! >holy Cow the O-290 is BIG!! If you want to know how big go raise the hood >on a Cherokee,.. because this thing is only a few inches shy of being the >same size as a O-320! Since I'm not there yet, how big should the firewall be? And what does the engine weight? Is it going to be to big for the KR2S? Dave Moore >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:31:49 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Registering Experimental Acft????? At 01:06 AM 11/24/97 EST, you wrote: >Ross , > Thanks for the reply.. My problem is this.... The acft in >question has already got an N number from the FAA and has flown off its required flight test period as spelled out by the DAR that did the >airworthiness inspection..... Too late! :o) I think once the aircraft is signed off for flight the manufacturer can not be changed. Seeing how its manufactured already! :o) I think your friend (previous owner and builder) is worrying about nothing but I can understand. You say your an IA? I would just register the plane as it is,.. the builder as the manufacturer and you as the owner. Don't cut it up! Fly it !!!! The original builder should have NEVER sold it if he didn't want to see it fly again! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:00:17 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Lyc. 0-290 At 11:00 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: Biggest problem is the fact that with the engine mounted where it needs to be for correct spinner and propeller location the bottom of the oil pan is flush with the lower edged of the firewall. You still need to mount a carb and a intake box (about 6 more inches) So if your firewall was about 4 inches taller (towards the bottom) I think you would end up with a better fit. Also the O-290 is wide, I would plan on a firewall about 4 inches wider than the stock KR2S if you want to make the O-290 fit right. Yes this engine could be too big (size wise) and weight will be around 260 pounds (firewall forward). I am almost willing to bet a good running O-200 would be a better choice. Mike (back to the drawing board) Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:16:01 +0200 From: "PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE'" Subject: KR: Re: Emergency Procedures Sermon (was dual ignition... -- possible problems) > I verbally review the "abort" and "engine failure on takeoff" immediate > action procedures at the end of the runway right before brake release on > every flight. Expect it to happen, and when it does you'll be ready to deal > with it without panic. I've had my share of emergencies, including an engine > fire at night in the weather, and the only time I've been scared is in the > bar after landing, thinking about what might have happened had we not been > prepared to deal with the emergency. Being prepared really does work! > > End of sermon. > > Cheers! > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > "Maintain aircraft control, analyze the situation, and take the appropriate > action". Great sernom Rick , I hope everyone was paying attention. We also have EMERGENCY RECALL ACTIONS on the B737. These are actually published by Boeing and as you said "Yes we are tested on them" Also a verbal take-off briefing is the only way to go. Our rulling political party here is called the A.N.C., there is a meaning but I prefer AVIATE:- fly the bus and deal with it NAVIGATE:- don't fly it into a hill COMUNICATE:- tell some one your problems. P.S. The order is inportant. Cheers all Anton Fouche' South Africa P-I-F@pixie.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:09 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: KR: Safe-T-Poxy I've read on Aircraft Spruce catalogue that Safe-T-Poxy resin is no longer produced by Hexcel, but that E-Z Poxy is the substitute. Does anybody knows if the EZ-Poxy is quite the same? What's the best hardener? EZ 83, 84 or 87? What about toxicity and easy-to-work? Michele Bucceri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:59:02 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Hot tub party/bonfire >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:14:41 -0800 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: David Moore >Subject: Re: KR: Hot tub party >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Ross, >You had better be careful, >If Oscar found out the hot tub was built out of Doug fir he'd want to take >it to the tarmac at Chino airport and set it on fire. He seems to have a >thing about bone fires and Doug fir. > >Dave Moore > Hey, Dave- I didn't start this- it was Mike Mims. When he was worried about his plywood (or was it the WAFs?), he threatened to torch his project rather than tear it open and start over. Plus, I wonder- if you set fire to a redwood hot tub full of water, would it burn up and the water leak out before the water started to boil? ;^) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:07:08 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Registering Experimental Acft????? At 01:06 11/24/97 EST, you wrote: > My problem is this.... The acft in >question has already got an N number from the FAA and has flown off its >required flight test period as spelled out by the DAR that did the >airworthiness inspection..... Im >actually the third owner of this P-51 replica and when I talked to the >original builder he got upset, because he sold the acft to a friend who >agreed not register it... >Lloyd I think it's a disgrace that aircraft could be destroyed because of predatory American law practise. Here is the convoluted path through the jungle. 1) You break up the aircraft. 2) You remove it from the register. 3) You document that you have sold important parts of it. 4) You decide to rebuild. 5) You register to build. 6) You document that you made important parts of it. That should do it for you. It does keep the original owner free of liability as far as I can see. Brian brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:58:35 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Safe-T-Poxy Michele Bucceri wrote: > > I've read on Aircraft Spruce catalogue that Safe-T-Poxy resin is no > longer produced by Hexcel, but that E-Z Poxy is the substitute. Does > anybody knows if the EZ-Poxy is quite the same? What's the best > hardener? EZ 83, 84 or 87? What about toxicity and easy-to-work? > > Michele Bucceri I used the EZ 84, which is supposed to be equivalent to Safe-t-poxy II. It has the appearance of the older formulation of Safe-t-poxy, dark amber instead of the later formulation which was more clear/white. The working characteristics seem to be the same. I haven't checked strength, but it seems to be the same. IF YOU ARE ALERGIC TO SAFE-T-POXY, YOU WILL BE ALERGIC TO EZ POXY. Keep it off your skin. I have to wear a charcoal filter resperator, if I don't, I will develop what seems to be a bad cold in about 3-4 days. Nose runs constantly and I will sneeze for days. With the resperator, I don't. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:21:26 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: Re: KR: Safe-T-Poxy Donald Reid wrote: > ... > > IF YOU ARE ALERGIC TO SAFE-T-POXY, YOU WILL BE ALERGIC TO EZ POXY.... > > ... ... that's what I was scared of ... Does it means that they have only changed the commercial name ? Michele ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:18:04 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Monokote > Do I have to worry about UV protection if the plane sees only 100 >hours of daylight per year? >-Tom > Hi, Tom Easy. Just get some samples, set up a controlled experiment with some good photos and notes, mount 'em out on the fencepost away from the bird droppings, and take a look every couple of months. For even more control, get a log and write down whether that week was sunny or not. Or get daylight hour data from the agricultural dep't. That will tell you what sunlight does to your samples. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:23:08 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps >Has anyone considered spoilers on the stub wings to kill some lift and allow >the plane to sink better? >-Tom > AHA! Somebody else interested in spoilers! I am thinking about the "precise flight" type of spoiler, which pops up out of the wing with a scissors action. Sketches in my shirt pocket, and thoughts in my head. I plan to build a model out of scrap, to see if it can be made to work reliably, then do some structural head-scratching to see what that does to the spar. To me, the drooping aileron/flaps/adverse yaw thing seems to have more problems and complexity than spoilers. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:25:30 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Applique suface finish >There is a chrome color monokote I had considered. This is the same color >and reflectiveness as the mylar balloons we see sold in stores. The plane >would look like polished aluminum! >-Tom > Ouch- that puppy would 'paint' real good on radar, too! Oscar Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:16:26 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Dual ignition & one set of plugs -- possible problems Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 04:09 PM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > <<>> > > NO! > > << feet over a forest and bang, your ignition craps out. In your panic, do you > really have presence of mind or time enough to evaluate the problem>>> > > Jesus Christ man I can put you in a situation that will guarantee your death > every time you go flying. Do what you want and I will do the same! This is > that dual magneto mentality coming through again!.~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mike, I think that you're the one with the outdated dual magneto mentality here by missing my point about pilot workload! I realize that there are inumerable possible bad scenareos. I like the (modern) idea of 2 ignitions and 1 set of plugs (either 2 electronic or 1 electronic 1 mag). Its the switchable part I don't like,. I'd like to see them both run sumultaneously, but I presently don't know how to do this. Bob Smith 1997 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:52:55 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Re: NLF checks starting to roll in On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steven A Eberhart wrote: > I received the first check today for the NLF(1)0115 wind tunnel test > fund. Ken Cornelius has the honor of being the first contributor to the > fund, thanks Ken. Richard Mole, Great Britton, is second. Took a > slightly different payment scheme for Richard. My Flyer subscription, a > great UK publication, is up for renewal and Richard renewed my > subscription for me so I am putting the money in for his contribution. > > NLF fund contributors (checks received) > > Ken Cornelius > Richard Mole Oscar Zuniga Mark Langford Ronald Lee John Esch Steve Eberhart P.S. Thanks guys, something neat is happening here! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:02:50 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps TomKR2S@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone tell me where I could see a pic of this control system with the > thumbwheel? I like the idea of push/pull tubes for the aileron system and > drooping the ailerons. >------------- Tom: The only picture I know of is in the bood by Kent Paser. "Speed with Economy" Paser Publications, 5672 West Chestnut Avenue, Littleton, Colorado 80123. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:36:10 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >Has anyone considered spoilers on the stub wings to kill some lift and > allow > >the plane to sink better? > >-Tom A KR pilot friend of mine says that besides needing drag to land, the KR needs to get the nose down or you can't see the runway. He always slipped his in for this reason. I believe that spoilers will only help with the drag part. Bob Smith, KR2S in progress Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Applique suface finish In a message dated 97-11-24 10:20:18 EST, Rick wrote: << With all this talk about Monokote, I thought you might be interested in this. Boeing is testing an applique finish material (or "wall paper" as it has become known) on it's fighter aircraft. I've had it up to 1.8 mach with no signs of delamination, and it appears to be weathering well. It's really too soon for conclusions, as we've only had it on the jet for about 5 months. The test program was started as a life cycle cost savings initiative, which leads me to believe that the material is expensive but durable. I'll see if I can get some info after Thanksgiving and report back, if anyone's interested. Even if the stuff is too expensive, we may be able to point you in the right direction for some lower cost alternatives if you're interested in this type of finish coat. >> I recently read (if memory serves me correctly) that this stuff is $15-20 SF and paint for the same aircraft was around $5 SF. It is a very thin sheet of alum with contact type adhesive. Looks cool and is lighter than paint with less prep work. As Rick said, it remains to be seen if it hold up to the sun. I think they are testing it at Edwards - the sun will cook it up pretty quick out there, so if it is to fail, it'll happen there. The photo I saw had it in navy blue on the top surfaces. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:14:41 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Safe-T-Poxy At 01:24 PM 11/24/97 +0100, you wrote: >I've read on Aircraft Spruce catalogue that Safe-T-Poxy resin is no >longer produced by Hexcel, but that E-Z Poxy is the substitute. Does >anybody knows if the EZ-Poxy is quite the same? What's the best >hardener? EZ 83, 84 or 87? What about toxicity and easy-to-work? > >Michele Bucceri > I have used it a bit on my KR2S and really like it over anything else I have tried. I have used safe-t-poxy in the past (built a Dragonfly to about 40%) and there is no noticeable difference in wetout or handling. I switched to Aeropoxy to avoid toxicity and started getting headaches! I recommend the EZpoxy over Aeropoxy, hands down! It is a much easier epoxy to work with, and it should be as fuel proof as Safe-t-poxy was. It also hardens much faster than the Aeropoxy. Aeropoxy seems to stay flexible for 3 or more days and EZpoxy gets extremely hard in 24 hours. I plan to build my wings out of EZpoxy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just "Plane" Crazy in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:07:19 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps At 06:23 AM 11/24/97 PST, you wrote: > > >>Has anyone considered spoilers on the stub wings to kill some lift and >allow >>the plane to sink better? >>-Tom >> > >AHA! Somebody else interested in spoilers! Hey if you guys plan to use spoilers, maybe consider putting them in the outer wings and not in the stubs. It would be a real "drag" to deploy them only to find out you have blanketed the elevator! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just "Plane" Crazy in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:27:21 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps At 06:23 11/24/97 PST, you wrote: > > >>Has anyone considered spoilers >>-Tom >> >AHA! Somebody else interested in spoilers! I am thinking about the >"precise flight" type of spoiler, which pops up out of the wing with a >scissors action. >Oscar Zuniga > I have a few dozen hours in the Fournier RF4 and RF5 These are usually registered as motor gliuders and have the distinction of running on just one mainwheel, a tailwheel, and wing outriggers on thin stalks. Anyway, they lacked flaps, but used scissors actuated board spoilers. Despite Mike M.'s fears these were well inboard on the long wing, but didn't mess up the tail... They seemed to have the virtue that there was no 'balloon' and no drop-out on extend/retracting flaps... Very pleasant to use. Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps In a message dated 97-11-24 09:25:02 EST, Oscar wrote: << >Has anyone considered spoilers on the stub wings to kill some lift and allow >the plane to sink better? >-Tom > AHA! Somebody else interested in spoilers! I am thinking about the "precise flight" type of spoiler, which pops up out of the wing with a scissors action. Sketches in my shirt pocket, and thoughts in my head. I plan to build a model out of scrap, to see if it can be made to work reliably, then do some structural head-scratching to see what that does to the spar. To me, the drooping aileron/flaps/adverse yaw thing seems to have more problems and complexity than spoilers. >> Oscar, something for your library Jim Faugh may have more thoughts on this, but isn't AOA one of the culprits in the taildragger config? Wheel land and hold the tail off as long as possible to kill the lift, then plant it and use the brakes. I like the spoiler concept, but I'm not sure you would use them as much for landing, rather more for controlling the approach, like gliders. At least this is my virtual concept...thoughts? (as if I needed to ask) :-) Randy (foot on final approach to mouth) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #176 *****************************