From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 2:07 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #181 krnet-l-digest Monday, December 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:35:39 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: reflexing ailerons ReflexHeads, I've always thought that reflexing ailerons was only needed for those planes whose airfoils were poorly chosen. If it had the correct airfoil on it to start with, you wouldn't need that sort of bandaid (copyright!), because the airfoil would be designed to perfectly fit the plane's design parameters at cruise. Flaps, when extended, take care of the lower end. If reflexed ailerons improve the top end so much, why not just reflex the trailing edge full span to enjoy the benefits fully? That would be a different airfoil... Now flaperons are a whole 'nother concept, and they are not at all a bandaid. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:53:41 -0600 From: pierce@pat.lgb.cal.boeing.com (Cole Pierce) Subject: Re: KR: Experimental A/C Liability What was at one time a system devised to rightly compensate victims of culpable negligence has become a risk-free crapshoot by bottom feeders and has destroyed lives, careers, ambitions, research and development efforts, and industries .. not just aviation. "Vultures" and all its vile connotations is still a euphemism for these scum. When is it going to get turned around???? - -gun one ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:22:13 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Re: Removing wings / trailering plane >>Well after watching the guy at the gathering spend almost 2 hours to install >>and another 2 hours to remove I have to answer YES it is very unrealistic. >>I don't think the intent of the WAFs was allow the builder/flyer to remove >>the wings and trailer it home every time, but to allow the KR to be built in >>a very small place (no one piece spar to wrestle with). Has everyone seen the wing joint that goes through the outer spar with the wing attachement bolts, and only uses four bolts per wing instead of eight? It seems this would make a 2 hour job a 1 hour job. Most KR-2 builders have never seen this. Essentially, instead of leaving a 1.5" gap between the center spar and the outer spar at the WAF area, close the gap by allowing the spars to touch. Do this by moving in the outer spar inward 1.5", and then drill the attachement bolt holes through the WAF's and the spar, and use a long bolt instead of two short bolt. This gives a stronger wing because the WAF's cannot buckle on the top of the wing. - -Tom Center section spar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:38:29 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Peter Hudson ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------88FA49A91C68250453167B11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------88FA49A91C68250453167B11 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id JAA19550; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:46:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199711291746.JAA19550@smtp4.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Peter Hudson ] >From krnet-l-owner Sat Nov 29 09:46:17 1997 Received: from iwvips.com (iwvisp.com [207.141.203.2]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19510 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([207.141.203.42]) by iwvips.com with SMTP (IPAD 1.51) id 4987200 ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:28:01 EST Message-ID: <3480542B.3834@iwvisp.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:43:07 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Reply-To: phudson@iwvisp.com Organization: just me X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: progress and questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang, The last couple of weeks I've been fixing up glue joints and sealing the interior on the KR fuselage. I'm thinking about the next steps and would like to know your thoughts. Rudder Cables: I'm about ready to install the rudder and elevator cables. I'd like to paint the inside of the gap before intalling the rudder. But this requires getting the color trim paints since it crosses the rudder. I won't be ready for the trim on the rest of the plane for quite a few months and I dont. I'll probably just plan to leave it unpainted and take it off again later. Wheels: I want to flip it upside down again and do the LG fairings, wheel pants etc. But, I dont know If I should be concerned with the tires sitting around with weight on them for the next year or so. Gear fairings: I can't decide whether to make the gear leg fairings removable, or just the wheel pants, or maybe removable pants AND removable fairing at the fuselage joint (with fixed fairing on the leg itself. Criteria are to be able to inspect the leg to attach fitting area during annuals; easy to fix or replace due to damage; no cracks induced from regular LG flexing during operation. Tailwheel: I'm still undecided on tailwheel design. My criteria are 6" taller than the original retract gear (little flat tailwheel assy); light; easy; able to be faired to a clean aero shape; and probably a tie down loop for ground run ups and of course tying it down. Fill and sand the bottom: While its upside down I wouldn't mind taking it to the final paint or at least the last primer coat. But, All the sanding "run-off" will drip all over the bare exterior plywood. Also once painted and upright again I'd have to baby the bottom while I glue sand and paint everything on top. How hard was it to sand/paint the bottom once completed? Well that's it for now...any thoughts on the above subjects are welcome. - -Peter Hudson- - --------------88FA49A91C68250453167B11-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:20:40 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: How does RR tailwheel attach? Hi KRNetters! How does the RR tailwheel assembly attach to the flat spring material that comes with the kit? Is it just bolted on with a washer or two between them? Or is there a bolt used that gets drilled out like the old-fashioned one that had a yoke where it attached to the spring. The new one I have doesn't have the yoke for attaching to the spring, just a yoke to hold the tailwheel. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:55:55 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Web page Hello Brian, And welcome,I think what everybody is trying to tell you is we are not a newsletter that comes out once a month or even six times a year, we are a group of KR builders who share information on a daily basis. We are on this stupid computer instead of building, now aren't you glad you joined us? Seriously, if this group doesn't know exactly how to do something we network and find the answer. So sit back and enjoy. The web site to get you connected to all the fun: http://www.krnet.org This will tie you to most all the KR builder who have web pages, and the rest of us are just a e-mail away. Dave Moore KR2s At 09:35 AM 11/29/97 EST, you wrote: >Hi Brian.. Please include me in your new address book. I have just >purchased two KR2 projects and need a lot of help. I am Ron >DeWees@juno.com thanks >On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:37:33 GMT bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) writes: >>Hello everyone! >> >>I am currently updating my web page. Some of it has been changed >>already. Please keep checking it out and see my changes in the next >>couple of days. If I do not have a link to your page please e-mail me >>privately with your page address and I will add it. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P >>Claremore, OK >>Building stretched and widened KR-2S=20 >> >>KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com >>http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm >> > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:39:42 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Web page Dave, I think you're a little too late to be welcoming Brian Bland, or me too... but I expect Ron deWees realises what you have in mind! Regards Brian At 09:55 11/29/97 -0800, Dave wrote: >Hello Brian, >And welcome... >Dave Moore >KR2s > >At 09:35 AM 11/29/97 EST, Ron wrote: >>Hi Brian.. Please include me in your new address book. I have just >>purchased two KR2 projects and need a lot of help. I am Ron >>DeWees@juno.com thanks >>On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 (Brian Bland) writes: >>>Hello everyone! >>> >>>I am currently updating my web page. >>>Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:05:53 -0800 From: Ross Subject: KR: First Building Tip online I just setup the first builder tip. Here is how you can look at it. For fun... go to http://www.krnet.org/building_tips/tips.htm Click on the picture of the engine, or the engine link. You should get to http://www.krnet.org/building_tips/Engine/EngineChapter.htm I invite builders & Krnetters to edit the webpage add links etc, and I will repost it. Send the submissions to krnet@krnet.org. I want the Engine Chapter to cover things like Soob links and sources for Soob information, if you have Soob article, you can put it up on your own webspace, and just send me the link, or send the whole article. I think this could really "take-off" BTW, I took the pictures with a new 640x480 digital camera. Cool Huh! -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:23:46 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: from [Peter Hudson ]] > Wheels: I wat to flip it upside down again and do the LG fairings, > wheel pants etc. But, I dont know If I should be concerned with the > tires sitting around with weight on them for the next year or so. I was concerned about mine, so I have blocked them up on scrap wood to keep the tire unloaded. In aviation museums, they usually have a cradle that the axle rests on for the same reason. > Gear fairings: I can't decide whether to make the gear leg fairings > removable, or just the wheel pants, or maybe removable pants AND > removable fairing at the fuselage joint (with fixed fairing on the leg > itself. Criteria are to be able to inspect the leg to attach fitting > area during annuals; easy to fix or replace due to damage; no cracks > induced from regular LG flexing during operation. I put a permanent fairing over the gear legs that is two plies thick on the leading edge, and one ply thick in direct contact with the gear leg. I think that any delamination in the fiberglass gear leg will be seen as cracking in that outer ply. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:24:53 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Web page Hi Brian.. Thanks for the interpretation of the message from Dave. I thought it was for me but wasn't sure. I am haaving a lot of fun seeing the activity here and will become a lot more involved when my plans get here. I havae a 60% or so KR2 project with fusalage, tail and wings completed but not filled and sanded, and anoather project thru the boat stage but with completed wing spars. I got a sero time HAPI Vdub 1832 cc motor, prop and mount thrown in the deal. I am now making plans to expand my shop area and will hopefully be moving for serious work before Christmas. What KR are you building and how far along is it? Are there a lot of mods that are common to the KR2's . I would have prefered a 2S but when you get someone else's project you get what you get. See you here soon, I bet Ron in Atlanta, GA On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:39:42 -0600 brian whatcott writes: >Dave, >I think you're a little too late to be welcoming Brian Bland, >or me too... but I expect Ron deWees realises what you have >in mind! >Regards >Brian > > >At 09:55 11/29/97 -0800, Dave wrote: >>Hello Brian, >>And welcome... >>Dave Moore >>KR2s >> >>At 09:35 AM 11/29/97 EST, Ron wrote: >>>Hi Brian.. Please include me in your new address book. I have just >>>purchased two KR2 projects and need a lot of help. I am Ron >>>DeWees@juno.com thanks > >>>On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 (Brian Bland) writes: >>>>Hello everyone! >>>> >>>>I am currently updating my web page. >>>>Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P > >brian whatcott >Altus OK > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:15:31 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Web page At 08:24 11/30/97 EST, you wrote: >Hi Brian.. Thanks for the interpretation of the message from Dave.... > See you here soon, >I bet Ron in Atlanta, GA Hi Ron, tho I was at the last gathering at Perry Oklahoma 2 or 3 months ago, I am strictly in the wannabe category - I take the list for pleasure, and in hopes my finances will one day support my addiction. Kind Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:30:00 -0600 From: "Russell Duffy" Subject: KR: Introduction Hi everyone, I just signed on to the list, and thought I would give the customary introduction. I just finished a Kolb SlingShot and found out that "low and slow" just isn't for me. I'm now looking to fulfill the "need for speed". I'm looking seriously at the KR-1 and the Corby Starlet now, and the KR-1 is solidly in the lead. I live near Pensacola FL. If anyone has a KR project in the area, I'd love to see it. Here's the part where I sneak in a question. I've wondered about using the new HKS 60 hp engine for the KR-1. The engine is allowed to run at 56 hp in cruise, so it would be the equivalent of 75% power in a 75 hp engine. The biggest problem might be that the engine is too light. The complete weight w/ starter, exhaust etc is 116 lbs. Does this sound like a reasonable engine? What is the normal cruise speed for a 75 hp engine running at 75% power? BTW- I'm sending for the plans and video tomorrow. Thanks, Russell Duffy SlingShot SS-003, N8754K rad@pen.net http://www.pen.net/~rad/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:56:16 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Web page rdewees@juno.com wrote: > What KR are you building and how far along is it? Are there a lot of > mods that are common to the KR2's . I would have prefered a 2S but when > you get someone else's project you get what you get. Seriously consider a KR-2S canopy for one of the projects. It makes it into a true two-seater, even for tall people. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: First Building Tip online In a message dated 97-11-30 03:03:13 EST, Ross wrote: << BTW, I took the pictures with a new 640x480 digital camera. Cool Huh! >> Ahhhh...our KRNet funds hard at work!!!! Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:50:50 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Web page Hi Tom.. Thanks for the response.I am not sure I can modify either body for the 2s canopy. They are both 35 inches wide and I think that may be more of a problem than headroom. The one most complete has the tirtle deck aft of the canopy completed and the other fusaloge is completed with bottom skin byt no top decks at all. With the little 65 HP HAPI VW mill I didn't know whether to consider it a 2 place plane wven with mods. Will the 65 HP work with two aboard even if I can get the weight down sufficiently? What are you building and how is it going? See you on here often, I hope Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:14:55 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Web page rdewees@juno.com wrote: > > Hi Tom.. Thanks for the response.I am not sure I can modify either body > for the 2s canopy. They are both 35 inches wide and I think that may be > more of a problem than headroom. The one most complete has the tirtle > deck aft of the canopy completed and the other fusaloge is completed with > bottom skin byt no top decks at all. > With the little 65 HP HAPI VW mill I didn't know whether to consider it > a 2 place plane wven with mods. Will the 65 HP work with two aboard even > if I can get the weight down sufficiently? > What are you building and how is it going? See you on here often, I > hope > RonGood question regarding the 65hp motor. I'm going to use a 65hp 1835cc VW engine on my KR-2S. I'm building the center spar now. I hope it has enough power for two, but even if it doesn't I'll upgrade the engine to a 2400cc motor after a while. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:12:27 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Introduction Hi Russell, Welcome to the list. I have a KR2S under construction between Mobile, AL and Pascagoula, MS. You are welcome to come by any time you are in the area. (about 4 miles north of I-10 at the MS/AL line.) Austin Clark http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ At 12:30 11/30/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I just signed on to the list, and thought I would give the customary >introduction. I just finished a Kolb SlingShot and found out that "low and >slow" just isn't for me. I'm now looking to fulfill the "need for speed". >I'm looking seriously at the KR-1 and the Corby Starlet now, and the KR-1 is >solidly in the lead. I live near Pensacola FL. If anyone has a KR project >in the area, I'd love to see it. > >Here's the part where I sneak in a question. I've wondered about using the >new HKS 60 hp engine for the KR-1. The engine is allowed to run at 56 hp in >cruise, so it would be the equivalent of 75% power in a 75 hp engine. The >biggest problem might be that the engine is too light. The complete weight >w/ starter, exhaust etc is 116 lbs. Does this sound like a reasonable >engine? What is the normal cruise speed for a 75 hp engine running at 75% >power? > >BTW- I'm sending for the plans and video tomorrow. > >Thanks, > >Russell Duffy >SlingShot SS-003, N8754K >rad@pen.net >http://www.pen.net/~rad/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:12:03 -0600 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: KR: Re: Introduction Hi, There is a completed KR2 at the Crestview Fl EAA chapter. I think he just replaced the VW engine with a 0200. Rick Gautier, MS - ---------- > From: Russell Duffy > To: KR list > Subject: KR: Introduction > Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 12:30 PM > > Hi everyone, > > I just signed on to the list, and thought I would give the customary > introduction. I just finished a Kolb SlingShot and found out that "low and > slow" just isn't for me. I'm now looking to fulfill the "need for speed". > I'm looking seriously at the KR-1 and the Corby Starlet now, and the KR-1 is > solidly in the lead. I live near Pensacola FL. If anyone has a KR project > in the area, I'd love to see it. > > Here's the part where I sneak in a question. I've wondered about using the > new HKS 60 hp engine for the KR-1. The engine is allowed to run at 56 hp in > cruise, so it would be the equivalent of 75% power in a 75 hp engine. The > biggest problem might be that the engine is too light. The complete weight > w/ starter, exhaust etc is 116 lbs. Does this sound like a reasonable > engine? What is the normal cruise speed for a 75 hp engine running at 75% > power? > > BTW- I'm sending for the plans and video tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Russell Duffy > SlingShot SS-003, N8754K > rad@pen.net > http://www.pen.net/~rad/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 02:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: About the king... In a message dated 97-11-28 14:10:30 EST, you write: << Let's see: you're an engineer;.............. >Oscar "got my pocket protector, too" Zuniga So that's what happened to you! :o) >> Nah...Oscar suffers from "Throne-itis" Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:52:35 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Introduction Russell Duffy wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I just signed on to the list, and thought I would give the customary > introduction. I just finished a Kolb SlingShot and found out that "low and > slow" just isn't for me. I'm now looking to fulfill the "need for speed". > I'm looking seriously at the KR-1 and the Corby Starlet now, and the KR-1 is > solidly in the lead. I live near Pensacola FL. If anyone has a KR project > in the area, I'd love to see it. > > Here's the part where I sneak in a question. I've wondered about using the > new HKS 60 hp engine for the KR-1. The engine is allowed to run at 56 hp in > cruise, so it would be the equivalent of 75% power in a 75 hp engine. The > biggest problem might be that the engine is too light. The complete weight > w/ starter, exhaust etc is 116 lbs. Does this sound like a reasonable > engine? What is the normal cruise speed for a 75 hp engine running at 75% > power? > > BTW- I'm sending for the plans and video tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > Russell Duffy > SlingShot SS-003, N8754K > rad@pen.net > http://www.pen.net/~rad/ Russell, I have a recently completed KR2 here in Gainesville. You are welcome to come down and look anytime. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:40:02 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Georgetown (Texas) Fly-in At 03:34 PM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >I just heard that the decision was made last Saturday to move the annual >fly-in from Georgetown to Abilene (TX). Will post additional info as it >becomes available. Surely would like to see a bunch of you bring your >KRs to West Texas. Bobby (Muse), hope you will be able to make it - >shouldn't take more than about 30-40 minutes from your hangar. >Bob Maniss > What flyin and when? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:40:03 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Tiedown rings At 06:26 AM 11/21/97 PST, you wrote: >Hello Nettees- > >I seem to remember that somebody's KR (Bobby Muse's?) has tiedown rings >quite visible under the wings. Anybody have a really cool KROnline >"Builder's Tip" on some lightweight, sturdy, retract tiedown rings? Or, >Bobby- what did you use on yours? I've had several ideas, including >some marine hardware (heavy), but a retract type would sure be cool. >Thoughts appreciated. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ My tiedowns are simple eyebolts screwed to a plate that I bonded to the main spar. When racing I can remove the tie downs and put plugs in the holes or tape over the holes. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:17:47 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Cockpit width >From: rdewees@juno.com >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Web page >Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:50:50 EST >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Hi Tom.. Thanks for the response.I am not sure I can modify either body >for the 2s canopy. They are both 35 inches wide and I think that may be >more of a problem than headroom. Hi, Ron This was a question that I had. This past weekend, I went back out to Paul Martin's with my friend Mark Dew (who will be helping me build mine), to step all over Paul's seats and make airplane noises. I weigh about 130 and am 5'-10"; Mark is about 150-160 lb. and a bit taller than me. We did NOT have to overlap shoulders in the KR-2 with 35" width plus/minus, but heads DID touch the canopy when sitting upright; headsets would definitely touch (I would expect scratched places there). Also, I didn't like the center stick with two people; I would go with two sticks (personal preference, from J-3 and PA-18/PA-16 time). Nutshell: it's just fine for two FAA-std. pilots, for fun flying, without arctic parkas. For serious X-C work, go for another canopy. For those of you who haven't done the boat yet, "widen it at the shoulders and use D-Fly canopy" is what I'm hearing. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:27:23 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Tiedown rings >>Hello Nettees- >> >>I seem to remember that somebody's KR (Bobby Muse's?) has tiedown rings >>quite visible under the wings. Anybody have a really cool KROnline >>"Builder's Tip" on some lightweight, sturdy, retract tiedown rings? Or, >>Bobby- what did you use on yours? I've had several ideas, including >>some marine hardware (heavy), but a retract type would sure be cool. >>Thoughts appreciated. >> >>Oscar Zuniga >>Medford, Oregon >> >>______________________________________________________ > > >My tiedowns are simple eyebolts screwed to a plate that I bonded to the main >spar. When racing I can remove the tie downs and put plugs in the holes or >tape over the holes. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Hi, Bobby- RACING? I love it! I looked at the tiedowns on Paul Martin's KR-2, and they are made from flat strap aligned with the airstream. While simple, light, and certainly almost zero-drag, I wouldn't use them without a metal link between them and the tiedown rope, because they would seem to be sharp enough to slice the rope in a blustery wind. My concern is for getting tied down quickly if have to put down ahead of a squall line or something (it's happened to me buncha times)- then having to locate the removed tiedown rings and stuff while the plane is bucking and wanting to roll away in the wind. I'm still sketching something simple and retractable in my pocket sketchpad. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:24:06 -0500 From: "Robert M. Simon" Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > ------------------------------ > I just finished reading the book Speed With Economy by Kent > Paser. Very good book. > In his book he did some modifications on his mustang to his > flaps to increase the angle to 60 degrees and he also modified his > AILERONS to droop down and act as wing lifting devises along with his > flaps. With both of these modifications he decreased his stall speed by > 4 mph. > The modification he did to his ailerons was to put a large thumb > wheel on the push-pull tubes. By turning the thumb wheel he could > increase or decrease the length of the push-pull tubes, and that would > make both ailerons droop down at the same time. As the ailerons > drooped, they would still work as ailerons and he still maintained > control. By drooping the ailerions he made them work like flaps. In > effect he increased his flap area. This modification alone decreased > his stall speed by 2 mph. > This aileron modification looked very easy to do. I have never > heard anyone talk about doing this to a KR. It seems that it may be a > good thing to do since the flaps on the KR are so small. > Has anyone had any experience with this or has anyone done it to > a KR??? Any thoughts?? > > Just wondering. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net > ------------------------ Marvin, Besides drooping the ailerons to increase the "flap" area, would it also be possible to offset them UP at cruise? I understand that this can unload the elevator and increase speed. Robert Simon rms@ustek-inc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:43:39 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Funny Stuff- Pirate Sorry, guys- this one was just too funny not to pass along. * THE SEAMAN AND THE PIRATE * An able-bodied seaman meets a pirate in a bar, and they take turns recounting their adventures at sea.  Noting the pirate's peg-leg, hook, and eye patch, the seaman asks "So, how did you end up with the peg-leg?" The pirate replies "We was caught in a monster storm off the cape and a giant wave swept me overboard.  Just as they were pullin' me out, a school of sharks appeared and one of 'em bit me leg off." "Blimey!" said the seaman. "What about the hook"? "Ahhhh...," mused the pirate, "We were boardin' a trader ship, pistols blastin' and swords swingin' this way and that.  In the fracas me hand got chopped off." "Zounds!"  remarked the seaman.  "And how came ye by the eye patch"? "A seagull droppin' fell into me eye", answered the pirate. "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?"  the sailor asked incredulously. "Well..." said the pirate, "...it was me first day with the hook." Oscar "Can't stop laughing" Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:44:17 -0500 From: "Robert M. Simon" Subject: Re: KR: Headsets ??? Howard Welte wrote: > > Hello All ! > > I could use some input on Headsets. > I'm looking for a second set for my infreqit pasanger to > use. I'm on a low budget and need to keep the cost down > in the $100 range. > > the Main use will be to control noice levels for the > pasanger and to easy conversation on the intercom > (which I already have) > > comfort and reliablty is the Main requierments after price. > > let me know what you are using and how you like it ?? > > Thanks > > Howard Welte > Tracy, Ca I bought an extra headset for my infrequent right seater from Marv Golden -- $90.00 See his web site at http://www.marvgolden.com Robert Simon rms@ustek-inc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 06:55:21 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Modification to work with flaps Robert M. Simon wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > I just finished reading the book Speed With Economy by Kent > > Paser. > > The modification he did to his ailerons was to put a large thumb > > wheel on the push-pull tubes. By turning the thumb wheel he could > > increase or decrease the length of the push-pull tubes, and that would > > make both ailerons droop down at the same time. A > > Marvin, > > Besides drooping the ailerons to increase the "flap" area, would it also > be possible to offset them UP at cruise? I understand that this can > unload the elevator and increase speed. > > Robert Simon > rms@ustek-inc.com - ---------------------------- Robert: The finger wheel that Paser has in his book would work either way. To lower the ailerons turn the wheel one direction and to raise them turn it the other direction. Keep in mind I have never done this and have no experience with it. That is why I posted my message on the net. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. Noth end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 07:00:17 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Paul Martin's KR- progress Well, here's a mini-report on Paul Martin's KR-2, as I saw it last Friday. I think he could get the fuel system finished and the necessary gauges rigged up easily enough to allow test-running the engine, with a few weeks' work. There is a question about allowable end-play in the phenolic "puck" which drives the magneto off the HAPI 1835 (the dogs don't fully engage the grooves in the puck). Since Paul is redoing a plane which was already flying, there isn't a whole lot of glass work to do except filling low spots and refinishing. The gear are converted and ready to be finally torqued (he was waiting to see how light it was going to be on the nosegear before bolting the mains in place), and then the brakes can be finished. Then there are the other 90% of the final 10%- the little stuff. What amazed me the most (besides the fact that I wouldn't hesitate too much about eating the piece of my donut which might accidentally fall on the shop floor- it's that clean) was that everything needed to finish was in just a few boxes in the shop. All the hardware and miscellaneous pieces are all there. It would seem like if a couple of hounds went over for a couple of serious work sessions helping out, the thing could be ready for taxi testing before the spring thaw. And there's the problem: Paul and Linda live up in the hills where it gets cold, and I suppose it gets hard to do any kind of glass work, or flox, or epoxy, up there. Not to mention the fact that the view from their deck is straight across to the ski runs on Mt. Ashland, and they seem to like skiing almost as much as me and my ski buds. Distractions! Although the workmanship on the plane is not show quality (sorry, Paul), it's not something Paul has any control over since he bought a completed plane. Of course, seeing it primed, and with rough spots sanded off (splotchy) makes it look rough; paint will make a big difference. Paul has gone over it carefully and has all of the newsletters and KRNet info, so is being thorough in cleaning up important stuff. It will be airworthy and sound, with new hardware. Plus, he has a parachute! :o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:03:16 EST From: rdewees@juno.com (Ron DeWees) Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width Hi Tom.. Thanks for the info. UNfortunately when I was at Sun n Fun last year I didn't pay enough attention to the KR area and would have learned a lot if I had. I was hot to trot for a Zenair 601 HDS until I learned that the cruze speeds were closer to 120 than 140 as posted. I have a Cessna 172 that will do that so don't want to work a year or so to have a smaller craft with no greater speed. Unfortunately I am 6 feet and 180 and my building partner is 6 feet and 170 so we don't qualify for FAA persons. I haven't tried to canopy on that came with the project but suspect it's the standard one. I sure hope not, but as you say, you get what you get with a project. Have you flown in a KR yet? How did you pick it? I sort of fell into it with the deal I found in the paper so am well into commitment on one of the two project (when I gwt the shop expanded). What motor does your friend have and what speeds does he get with it? I am a bit frightened with the retract gear that both projects have, but I suppose you could just leave them down if you never get comfortable with them. I do hear that they have been known to fail, but at least limit the damage mostly to the prop (and possible motor) since they remain about 1/3 down like an old DC3 Take care and keep in touch... Ron By the way.. do you know of any KR's in the Atlanta area. WOuld love to make motor sounds in the cockpit myself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:12:43 EST From: rdewees@juno.com (Ron DeWees) Subject: Re: KR: Headsets ??? Hi.. I bought two Pilot brand headsets 8 years ago when I started and both are still fine. They may have gon up but were under 90 at the time. Ron..... If you want to go first class for your own set I got a Lightspeed 20ANR at Sun n Fun last year and love them. Never without them now.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:16:19 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Color Vision Website If you are color vision impared (as I am), check out this website: http://www.aopa.com.au/aviation/colourvision.html#colusage I got this from the Landings email/website - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:06:35 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: Fwd: UL: Ski-Saver Tape I found this on an ultralight list FWIW.... Jim Hayward - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------------- << Someone on this list mentioned that they'd found something called Ski Saver tape and was using it to seal off the gap of their Challenger wings between wing and aileron. After some phone calls, I located a ski repair shop that would sell me some. It's wide, about five inches I think, and clear. Hey, that stuff is wonderful! It's pliable but strong and very sticky (with peel-off backing). A bit expensive at about a buck a foot, but my duct tape has a serious competitor now, at least where a clear tape is desirable that doesn't get brittle in cold weather. Inquiring minds want to know, and so might people on this list. 8>) George R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe or unsubscribe by sending a message to: listserv@perim.com. In the body of the message, enter SUBSCRIBE FLY-UL or UNSUBSCRIBE FLY-UL >> - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: GEO784@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-fly-ul@perim.com Reply-to: fly-ul@perim.com (Ultralight List!) To: fly-ul@perim.com (Multiple recipients of list fly-ul) Date: 97-11-30 17:49:28 EST Someone on this list mentioned that they'd found something called Ski Saver tape and was using it to seal off the gap of their Challenger wings between wing and aileron. After some phone calls, I located a ski repair shop that would sell me some. It's wide, about five inches I think, and clear. Hey, that stuff is wonderful! It's pliable but strong and very sticky (with peel-off backing). A bit expensive at about a buck a foot, but my duct tape has a serious competitor now, at least where a clear tape is desirable that doesn't get brittle in cold weather. Inquiring minds want to know, and so might people on this list. 8>) George R - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe or unsubscribe by sending a message to: listserv@perim.com. In the body of the message, enter SUBSCRIBE FLY-UL or UNSUBSCRIBE FLY-UL ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #181 *****************************