From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 12:29 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #191 krnet-l-digest Saturday, December 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 191 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:05:41 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: hstab /elev airfoil After looking over the airfoils that Mark was planning to use on the hstab/elev, I decided to use 2" spars that yields a root airfoil slightly thicker than plans. I am lengthening the span by 2.5 inches per side. Being a middle-of-the road kind of guy (I know, squashed rabbit), I decided to go with a tip airfoil that is about halfway between Mark's and the plans. This ended up to be a max thickness of 1" - -- not really much of an airfoil but better than plans. I sketched it with no computer help (hope this poses no problem). After much thought, the idea of starting with an adjustable hstab incidence is sounding good, so I'll probably go with that, since anything else would just be a guess. KRnet helps alot!! Thanks Bob Smith, KR2S (ratio of thought to work is running at least 20/1) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:34:12 EST From: rdewees@juno.com (Ron DeWees) Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:25:36 -0800 "michael" writes: >mike have you looked at the zodiac, build time 400 hours? >I know one that is building it and says the time is correct, simply >use pop >rivets , all aluminum construction, another fellow that belongs to my >chapter 14 E.A.A at brown field just near Mex.. border south San Diego >is >building one from scratch and says it's easy he can't see going for >the kit >which is close to $14,000 but you can put a variety of motors >including the >vw bug, I'm not one to start something like that from scratch > >try I think www.zenithair.com or go to which I'm sure you know >www.kitplane.com michael San Diego,ca. >-----Original Message----- >From: Micheal Mims >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:21 PM >Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test > > >>At 12:58 AM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote: >>> Are you able to use the stock spar and just change the wing? I >haven't >>put the Diehl skins on yet and was thinking that maybe I could change >to >>this newer airfoil.. >>> >>>Jim Hayward >>> >>> >> >>Dude, if you already have a set of Diehl Skins,..Use them! I would! >REALLY >>I would! >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims >>Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship >> >>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> >>Hi Mike.. I am not qualified to say much about the KR's as I am just getting into the game laate with a couple of projects, but I looked long and hard at the Zenair 601HD and HDS speedwing for the last 6 months. I only unsubscribed to the email group last week. From what I heard from hundreds of builders the 400 is more like 1000 and that may be conservative. I liked the idea of metal construction and the performance figures in the ads, but they seem highly optimistic from the flight reports posted on the newsgroup. THe Soob EA81 models were cruzing in the 100 to 105 knot reginon rather than 130 or so. THe other thing that bothered me is that I have missed only 2 Sun n Fun fly-ins in the last 6 years and have hever seen a Zenith fly in. Even at the Zenair factory day this year there were only 2 planes by builders. That makes on wonder where the planes are going. I heard the same thing about Oshkosh. I have a Cessna 172 that will carry a lot more and go the same speed so I didn't want to spend a year or so to get the same or less performance. I estimated about 14k for the bare kit and at least 10k for the firewall forward with no avionics and that is in the range of a RV project with a LOT more performance. You might subscribe to the newsgroup and see if things are still going the same way. I notice a Big difference on this group in the enthusiasm and helpfulness when compared to the Zen net. Regards,, Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:07:19 -0800 From: "michael" Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test don do you know of site where they chat about the zodiac, I'm new at this stuff also, I have friends whom fly the kr2 as well as have built them, Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Ron DeWees To: krnet-l@teleport.com Cc: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 10:36 AM Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test > >On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:25:36 -0800 "michael" >writes: >>mike have you looked at the zodiac, build time 400 hours? >>I know one that is building it and says the time is correct, simply >>use pop >>rivets , all aluminum construction, another fellow that belongs to my >>chapter 14 E.A.A at brown field just near Mex.. border south San Diego >>is >>building one from scratch and says it's easy he can't see going for >>the kit >>which is close to $14,000 but you can put a variety of motors >>including the >>vw bug, I'm not one to start something like that from scratch >> >>try I think www.zenithair.com or go to which I'm sure you know >>www.kitplane.com michael San Diego,ca.. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Micheal Mims >>To: krnet-l@teleport.com >>Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:21 PM >>Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test >> >> >>>At 12:58 AM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote: >>>> Are you able to use the stock spar and just change the wing? I >>haven't >>>put the Diehl skins on yet and was thinking that maybe I could change >>to >>>this newer airfoil... >>>> >>>>Jim Hayward >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Dude, if you already have a set of Diehl Skins,..Use them! I would! >>REALLY >>>I would! >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>Micheal Mims >>>Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship >>> >>>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >>> >>>Hi Mike.. I am not qualified to say much about the KR's as I am just >getting into the game laate with a couple of projects, but I looked long >and hard at the Zenair 601HD and HDS speedwing for the last 6 months. I >only unsubscribed to the email group last week. From what I heard from >hundreds of builders the 400 is more like 1000 and that may be >conservative. I liked the idea of metal construction and the performance >figures in the ads, but they seem highly optimistic from the flight >reports posted on the newsgroup. THe Soob EA81 models were cruzing in the >100 to 105 knot reginon rather than 130 or so. THe other thing that >bothered me is that I have missed only 2 Sun n Fun fly-ins in the last 6 >years and have hever seen a Zenith fly in. Even at the Zenair factory day >this year there were only 2 planes by builders. That makes on wonder >where the planes are going. I heard the same thing about Oshkosh. I have >a Cessna 172 that will carry a lot more and go the same speed so I didn't >want to spend a year or so to get the same or less performance. I >estimated about 14k for the bare kit and at least 10k for the firewall >forward with no avionics and that is in the range of a RV project with a >LOT more performance. You might subscribe to the newsgroup and see if >things are still going the same way. > I notice a Big difference on this group in the enthusiasm and >helpfulness when compared to the Zen net. >Regards,, Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:30:05 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Question on how tight to make wheel nuts At 12:18 PM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >With car brakes, you always tighten the nut until it's snug against >the bearing (not tight), then back it off to the nearest hole for the >cotter pin. Too tight and your bearing will fail. I assume its the same >for planes. > >Bob Smith > Yes a taper bearing is a taper bearing aint it! :o) This is how our A&Ps did the aircraft where I worked anyway. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:01:53 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: Alum Fuel Tanks Could the person who mentioned the name and phone of the fellow who makes custom aluminum fuel tanks for KR's please post that info again? I desire a 17 gallon metal fuel tank for my KR-2S. Anyone interested in a KR-2S fuel tank please reply. It is untouched as received from RR. Thank you all! - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:45:27 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III Hi Mark.. Just getting to know a few of my neighboring KR neighbors and saw your note regarding KR netters... Is there an airport near you? I have an ole 172 and could possible get by for a weekend visit sometime that suits you. If the other Atlanta KR guys are interested and small we could all come sometime.. Thanks Ron DeWees On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:33:22 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: >> I've been wanting to pay Mark a visit for a couple months now. >Maybe I >> could swing by and pick you up on the way? Need to think a couple >> months down the road though, to let Mark's personal situation with >his >> wife's auto accident get straightened out. > >Jeremy and Patrick, > >Ya'll are welcome any time. Saturday afternoons are best, however. >Over >the holidays might be good too. Don't worry about Jeanie. She drove >her >new (for us) Audi for the first time today. She's still pretty sore >though. Her Jetta, well, didn't fare so well. You Subaru fans might >get a >kick out of the fact that I was looking hard for a 4WD Subaru wagon. >Couldn't find one though, and jumped on the Audi deal. See ya'll in a >few >weeks, maybe. Stop by Ken Cornelius's place in Cullman on your way >up. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:45:27 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III Hi Patrick.. I didn't know you were in the Atlanta area. I would be very interested in a visit to Huntsville if you and Mark can tolerate a real "newbie" to the KR world. I have heard there is a lot of KR avtivity in Huntsville and would love to see a real KR. I will be glad to show you the state of my two projects, too. If you want to call me I am at 404 876-3481 and live in the Midtown area... thanks Ron DeWees On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:01:09 -0500 Patrick Flowers writes: >Mark Langford wrote: >> >> > I've been wanting to pay Mark a visit for a couple months now. >Maybe I >> > could swing by and pick you up on the way? Need to think a couple >> > months down the road though, to let Mark's personal situation with >his >> > wife's auto accident get straightened out. >> >> Jeremy and Patrick, >> >> Ya'll are welcome any time. Saturday afternoons are best, however. >Over >> the holidays might be good too. > >Well the holidays are terrible for me. This is our first Christmas >since relocating and we'll be driving back to NC for the holidays. My >schedule through the first of Jan. is shot. Mid-January would suit me >better. > >Any other Atlanta area KRNetters up for a road trip? > >> Don't worry about Jeanie. She drove her new (for us) Audi for the >first >> time today. She's still pretty sore though. Her Jetta, well, >didn't fare >> so well. > >Glad to hear that she's bouncing back. I drove an '86 Jetta GLI for >five years and loved that little car, but the idea of T-boning >another(larger) vehicle with it hurts at just the thought. > >Patrick >-- >Patrick Flowers >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:48:17 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: project update, etc.... > Oh why not? Don't we always learn something when Brian gets > fired up? :o) I thought the same thing right after I sent that one out. Too bad you can't revoke your emails, edit them, and send them again like you can at work. I always think of the good stuff right after I hit the SEND button. We all know I wouldn't flame Brian...he's teaching us too much to run him off! If anybody's looked at my horizontal stab comments, you'll notice I was completely wrong. My hs is actually 2.5" deep, which makes it a 9.25%. The plans templates yield something like a 7.5% airfoil. In reality you could probably put just about anything back there and make it work, considering how little stick input is required to effect a pitch change. Got my "Lift-o-mat" struts today. Found them on the web, complete with lb/f ratings. These are 20 pounds each, which should be just about right for my canopy. Pictures and other excruciating details will be forthcoming. Talked a coworker into running a Patran model my prop shaft today and found the first mode at 35Hz so dimensions will be changing to lower it to somewhere between starter speed and idle speed so it will transition right past it when starting. If I get this right (and I plan to), I won't need a damper or coupling. Anybody wanting to see what a Jetta looks like after T-boning a Dodge Intrepid in the door, check http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/jetta.jpg . She hit it at 60, and all she had time to do was let off the gas and close her eyes. It's really not bad. Three of the four doors still open, and the windshield didn't even break. She only suffered from severe "seat belt shock", and a black eye where the flying rearview mirror almost hit her in the eye. She'll be fine in a few weeks. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Patrick Flowers > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test - no archive > Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:49 AM > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > Patrick Flowers wrote: > > > > > I'll probably copy Mark with the 63009 after > > > I finish second guessing him on that choice. > > > > You can second guess me and get away with it, but I wouldn't > > try my luck with Brian Whatcott... :) > > Oh why not? Don't we always learn something when Brian gets > fired up? :o) > > Patrick > -- > Patrick Flowers > Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:06:02 +0900 From: mouse@heiwa.com Subject: KR: project update, etc.... Just another endorsement for seat belt use that WE all should wear when operating a car, no matter what speed or distance we have to go. Can you imagine what Marks wife would look like if she wasn't wearing one. Real scarry just thinking about. Air bags are not enough either. Take heed gentlemen and if you love your family do something about it. Thank your lucky stars Mark. Tim Schuy KR-2S builder in Japan mouse@heiwa.com KR>Anybody wanting to see what a Jetta looks like after T-boning a Dodge KR>Intrepid in the door, check http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/jetta.jpg . KR>She hit it at 60, and all she had time to do was let off the gas and close KR>her eyes. It's really not bad. Three of the four doors still open, and KR>the windshield didn't even break. She only suffered from severe "seat belt KR>shock", and a black eye where the flying rearview mirror almost hit her in KR>the eye. She'll be fine in a few weeks. KR>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL KR>email at langford@hiwaay.net KR>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford KR>---------- KR>> From: Patrick Flowers KR>> To: krnet-l@teleport.com KR>> Subject: Re: KR: New Airfoil Test - no archive KR>> Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:49 AM KR>> KR>> Mark Langford wrote: KR>> > KR>> > Patrick Flowers wrote: KR>> > KR>> > > I'll probably copy Mark with the 63009 after KR>> > > I finish second guessing him on that choice. KR>> > KR>> > You can second guess me and get away with it, but I wouldn't KR>> > try my luck with Brian Whatcott... :) KR>> KR>> Oh why not? Don't we always learn something when Brian gets KR>> fired up? :o) KR>> KR>> Patrick KR>> -- KR>> Patrick Flowers KR>> Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:20:26 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: project update, etc.... At 19:48 12/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >> Oh why not? Don't we always learn something when Brian gets >> fired up? :o) > >We all know I wouldn't flame Brian.. >Mark Langford Gee - what's goin on here - not used to people talking about me where I can read it! :-) Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:06:19 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale Hank Thanks for your response. This kit is a replica P-51, 3/4 scale . It is all wood and fabric , very easy constuction, all the parts are already cut and shaped . The factory claims 1000 hours to build it. After seeing the kit I believe them. It would probably take me a little more time than that though , I work slow. I do not have an engine for this acft. It is recomended to use the Rotax 582 LC. The speeds on this acft are not comprable to the KR . Top speed on this little acft is 90 mph. It only looks fast. If you have any more specific questions just let me know. Yes, I could ship it to you, it has to come by overland carrier.. ie. 18 wheeler. No problem. See Ya., Lloyd On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:08:27 -0800 hjfine@wave.net writes: >At 12:35 AM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote: >>Hello All, >>I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!!! Mine was especially >wonderful >>. We are expecting our third child in July. God is wonderful !!!. My >>family is truly the light of my life !! ANYway...... I still have >this >>unopened 5151 kit to sell. It was purchased in 1995 and has been in >my >>garage ever since . I would like to get $5000.00 for the whole kit >and >>kaboodle. It has retracts and long range fuel. E-Mail me @ >>leperkins@juno.com or call me at home at (540)786-2838 until 11:00 pm >>EST. >> >>Thanks, >>Lloyd >> >>Hi Lloyd: Yes, God is Great! Praise the Lord that He has blessed >you and >your wife with another child! Children are truly the greatest >blessing The >Lord can bestow upon you. My wife and I have three: ages 11, 9 and >5. We >are 53 and 51 so we feel truly blessed. I can relate to your joy. > >Now to the mundane: What is a 5151 kit? Please email details. I've >been >considering the KR2 but I'm open to something comparable. So anything >you >care to tell me about the kit would be appreciated. You say it is an >unopened kit. Can it then be shipped in its present condition? Do >you have >an engine? I'll wait to hear from you. Hank > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:14:57 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale Wow, Mike . It must take a REAL man to fly those complicated KRs. I never knew !! Got to run ,theres a FW-109 coming up behind me !! Lloyd On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:45:16 -0800 Micheal Mims writes: >At 09:10 PM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > What a pretty bird. Seems like they could get more speed it being >such a >clean design. Wonder why 85 is all it will cruise at. >> > > >Well the picture in the web site is a little misleading! I think >that's a >REAL P-51. The 5151 is almost ultralite like, it is built a lot like >those >balsa stick models that are powered by rubber band and covered with >tissue. >It uses a 2 stroke snowmobile engine for power so I am sure that has >something to do with its speed plus it just isn't designed to fly >fast. > > >>What is your opinion for a first time builder to tackle: the KR2 >which >>seems more difficult than something simpler like for instance the >5151? >> > >I think the KR series of aircraft is the absolute simplest aircraft to >build! It is a real piece of cake! There is a few items that should >be >included in the plans that arnt but for themost part the plans dont >need to >be any more technical than they are because the airplane is so basic >in >design. I think some guys run into trouble when they add to many >items to >the KR but I guess in the end its all a matter of what YOU want from >the >airplane. Personally I dont need IFR capability in any way, heck I >dont even >mind the thought of hand proping and going without an electrical >system. My >KR will be basic in that dept. (Instruments and radios) but more >technical >in others. > >>Do appreciate your technical info, it's a joy to read. What do you >mean, >>Service Guarantees Citizenship ? Thanks Mike, Hank >>> > >Its a line (theme) from a movie that was out a few weeks ago. >Starship >Troopers. Funny thing is your only the second person to ask, either >the >KRNet readers don't get out much or??? :o) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:09:39 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:45:27 EST rdewees@juno.com writes: >Hi Mark.. Just getting to know a few of my neighboring KR neighbors >and saw your note regarding KR netters... Is there an airport near >you? I have an ole 172 and could possible get by for a weekend visit >sometime that suits you. If the other Atlanta KR guys are interested >and small we could all come sometime.. Thanks Ron DeWees >On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:33:22 -0600 "Mark Langford" > writes: >>> I've been wanting to pay Mark a visit for a couple months now. >>Maybe I >>> could swing by and pick you up on the way? Need to think a couple >>> months down the road though, to let Mark's personal situation with >>his >>> wife's auto accident get straightened out. >> >>Jeremy and Patrick, >Hi Jeremy and Patrick.. Thanks for the offer. Sounds good .. Please keep me posted. I might have the work area expanded enough to get the plane in and actually do some work by then... ron > >>Ya'll are welcome any time. Saturday afternoons are best, however. >>Over >>the holidays might be good too. Don't worry about Jeanie. She drove > >>her >>new (for us) Audi for the first time today. She's still pretty sore >>though. Her Jetta, well, didn't fare so well. You Subaru fans might > >>get a >>kick out of the fact that I was looking hard for a 4WD Subaru wagon. > >>Couldn't find one though, and jumped on the Audi deal. See ya'll in >a >>few >>weeks, maybe. Stop by Ken Cornelius's place in Cullman on your way >>up. >> >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >>email at langford@hiwaay.net >>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:53:33 -0500 From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: KR: CRUMPLE ZONES I used to not like little cars because of the way they fold up on impact with something more substantial than them, but the picture of Mark's Jetta tells the tale. Crumple zones allow the car to absorb all that kinetic energy instead of the poor driver! My $0.02 worth... Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:12 -0800 From: hjfine@wave.net Subject: Re: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale At 07:48 AM 12/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > What do you mean we dont get out much, cut us dummies a little slack... >19don26@castles.com > SeeYa! > >---------- >> From: Micheal Mims >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Subject: Re: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale >> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 9:45 PM >> >> At 09:10 PM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >> What a pretty bird. Seems like they could get more speed it being such >a >> clean design. Wonder why 85 is all it will cruise at. >> > >> >> >> Well the picture in the web site is a little misleading! I think that's >a >> REAL P-51. The 5151 is almost ultralite like, it is built a lot like >those >> balsa stick models that are powered by rubber band and covered with >tissue. >> It uses a 2 stroke snowmobile engine for power so I am sure that has >> something to do with its speed plus it just isn't designed to fly fast. >> >> >> >What is your opinion for a first time builder to tackle: the KR2 which >> >seems more difficult than something simpler like for instance the 5151? >> > >> >> I think the KR series of aircraft is the absolute simplest aircraft to >> build! It is a real piece of cake! There is a few items that should be >> included in the plans that arnt but for themost part the plans dont need >to >> be any more technical than they are because the airplane is so basic in >> design. I think some guys run into trouble when they add to many items >to >> the KR but I guess in the end its all a matter of what YOU want from the >> airplane. Personally I dont need IFR capability in any way, heck I dont >even >> mind the thought of hand proping and going without an electrical system. >My >> KR will be basic in that dept. (Instruments and radios) but more >technical >> in others. >> >> >Do appreciate your technical info, it's a joy to read. What do you >mean, >> >Service Guarantees Citizenship ? Thanks Mike, Hank >> >> >> >> Its a line (theme) from a movie that was out a few weeks ago. Starship >> Troopers. Funny thing is your only the second person to ask, either the >> KRNet readers don't get out much or??? :o) >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Micheal Mims >> Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship >> >> mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >> http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> > >Michael: Hum....Seems like there is a tad bit of foolin goin on in the world of Exp. A/C....RR advertises the KR2 as 1000 hr build time kit and that it cruises a kool 180 mph. Just being on the Net for about 1 month, I know that is wrong. I think it was Mr. Langford who had some boys inspect his KR project saying he was about half complete. His work log indicated 1500 hrs! And yes, there are some very clean KRs which can cruise 180 but the vast majority do 150 which is fast enough for me. Honest advertising builds impeccable reputations and pays off in the long term. I wish more folks would see that. Your opinion of the buildability of the KR is reassuring. Thanks again. Hank. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:49:19 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:12 -0800, you wrote: >=20 >> >>Michael: Hum....Seems like there is a tad bit of foolin goin on in the >world of Exp. A/C....RR advertises the KR2 as 1000 hr build time kit and >that it cruises a kool 180 mph. Just being on the Net for about 1 = month, I >know that is wrong. > >I think it was Mr. Langford who had some boys inspect his KR project = saying >he was about half complete. His work log indicated 1500 hrs! And yes, >there are some very clean KRs which can cruise 180 but the vast majority= do >150 which is fast enough for me. Honest advertising builds impeccable >reputations and pays off in the long term. I wish more folks would see = that. =20 > >Your opinion of the buildability of the KR is reassuring. Thanks again.= Hank. > > > If you knew Mark you would know why he has 1500 hours in it. Mark's KR will probably be the most precise KR ever constructed and it will definitely be one of the best ever built. If he doesn't like the way a part turns out he will build it until he is satisfied. He has probably built enough parts to build 3 KR's by now. It all really depends on the person building it. The KR can be built in 1000 hours and it can cruise at 180 mph. It all depends on how you build it. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:33:01 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale At 05:49 AM 12/13/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:12 -0800, you wrote: > >> >>> >>>Michael: Hum....Seems like there is a tad bit of foolin goin on in the >>world of Exp. A/C....RR advertises the KR2 as 1000 hr build time kit and that it cruises a kool 180 mph. Just being on the Net for about 1 month, I know that is wrong. >> >>I think it was Mr. Langford who had some boys inspect his KR project saying mhe was about half complete. His work log indicated 1500 hrs! Yes but Mark himself will tell you he has thrown enough parts away to build another KR, so in effect he has built 1.5 KRs in 1500 hours! Not to bad! :o) I think 1200 hours for a very basic KR is reasonable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:37:02 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: CRUMPLE ZONES At 11:53 PM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: > I used to not like little cars because of the way they fold up on impact >with something more substantial than them, but the picture of Mark's Jetta tells the tale. What picture? Mark? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 07:31:27 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: CRUMPLE ZONES Jeremy Casey wrote: > > I used to not like little cars because of the way they fold up on impact > with something more substantial than them, but the picture of Mark's Jetta > tells the tale. Crumple zones allow the car to absorb all that kinetic > energy instead of the poor driver! My $0.02 worth... Yeah, I wondered when I bought my Jetta and the salesman gave me all this yada about how the front end was designed to fold up. From the looks of Mark's Jetta, the sales spiel was exactly on the money. Glad I never got to test it! Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:20:41 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: X-wind landings/was newbie questions Patrick wrote: >The trigear will offer better landing manners in most conditions, but >in high winds and crosswinds, the taildragger will be easier to land >due to its ability to wheel land and plant with forward elevator. >(I'm sure that one will draw some fire) > Yes, it should draw some! It's hard enough doing it in a high-wing aircraft, but I would question the wisdom of trying it in a low-low wing KR in a high wind or strong x-wind in the first place. With a high-winger, you can at least land it on one main (way over on one main,if need be)... but not in the KR. But given a choice, you're not gonna find many who will agree with you on trying to put the taildragger down v.s. the tri-gear, high wing or low. Yes, a wheel landing will give you great control and a positive plant, but you can't hold landing airspeed all the way to the chocks, and the x-wind will be waiting when you slow down and the tail starts down. Your feet will be dancing the dance. Oscar "yielding to the wheelbarrows for once" Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:28:03 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Alum Fuel Tanks You wrote: >I desire a 17 gallon metal fuel tank for my KR-2S. > >Anyone interested in a KR-2S fuel tank please reply. It is untouched as >received from RR. >Thank you all! >-Tom > Hi, Tom If you don't mind my asking- why do you prefer an aluminum tank to the fiberglass item? More security? Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:39:01 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III >If the other Atlanta KR guys are interested and small we >could all come sometime.. Thanks Ron DeWees Sorry, guys- I just couldn't help it. If the guys are interested and _small_? As in, how many KRNetters can you fit in a 172 and still fly it? ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:46:00 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Crumpled Jetta/belts Mark wrote: >She'll be fine in a few weeks. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > Mark, I hope your better half doesn't read your e-mail. If I made this remark after my wife had such an accident, I would be in the hospital myself, hurting BAD. It's what is known as an "insensitive remark", and displays typical male lack of compassion and understanding of the seriousness of the situation.:o) Man, is that Jetta accordioned. Makes me think about something I wanted to ask- how are people anchoring their shoulder harnesses, I mean real, solid ones (not the little dinky ones we car drivers wear just so we won't get a ticket for not wearing them)? Some have added roll bars with anchor points, some have (I think) run an extra x-member to anchor them to, but some run a cable clear back to the tailpost area, which doesn't strike me as ideal. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:09:21 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: CRUMPLE ZONES At 07:31 AM 12/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah, I wondered when I bought my Jetta and the salesman gave me all this yada about how the front end was designed to fold up. From the >looks of Mark's Jetta, the sales spiel was exactly on the money. Glad I >never got to test it! > >Patrick >-- I know all this is not KR related but its information. Being involved in insurance I was really bummed to see the new VWs (I have two of them) completely fail the offset impact test! At speeds as slow as 30 mph the driver side tire was pushed into the drivers legs causing at least one broken leg and possible concussion do to the car doing a little too much crumpling, the roof caved in as the door frame did not withstand the offset impact. So at least I know if I am gona hit I have to hit square on and not offset to the object being hit! :o) By the away all the Japanese cars passed with flying colors, all the Korean cars failed as did most of the american built econo boxes. The Germans and the Koreans commented that very few accidents involve and offset impact. Detroit had no comment. The Insurance people proved to the Germans and Koreans that 75% of front end collisions in the US involve only one side of the car. They (Germans and Korean auto makers) had no further comment! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:18:53 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Crumpled Jetta/belts At 09:46 AM 12/13/97 PST, you wrote: , but some run a cable clear back to the tailpost area, which doesn't strike me as ideal. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon Yea and what's wrong with that? :o) I made two aluminum angles and bolted them to my horizontal spar, from there I have 3/32 cable running above the fuselage into the shoulder harness area. IT the best way to do it in a KR, as long as the cables have a straight shot to your shoulder it should work just fine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:31:26 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Crumpled Jetta/belts Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:46 AM 12/13/97 PST, you wrote: > , but some run a cable clear back to the tailpost area, which doesn't > strike me as ideal. > >Oscar Zuniga > Yea and what's wrong with that? :o) > I made two aluminum angles and bolted them to my horizontal spar, from there > I have 3/32 cable running above the fuselage into the shoulder harness area. > IT the best way to do it in a KR, as long as the cables have a straight shot > to your shoulder it should work just fine. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims I have to agree with Oscar. For example, one accident that was reported in the s-mail newsletter several years ago was about a loss of power. The pilot did a good job setting down on a narrow road, but hit something with one wing tip. He slewed around, the tail hit something solid, and broke off behind the rear spar. He said that if he had shoulder harnesses attached to the tail post, he and his wife would be dead. The tail post is an easy place to attach, and the possible accidents that would have a negative outcome from this placement are few, but I deceided not to set myself up for that one. It is not too difficult to attach the shoulder harness at the shear web. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:43:52 -0800 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: don't get out much: no archive > Funny thing is your only the second person to ask, either the >KRNet readers don't get out much or??? :o) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Hey Micheal (or do you prefer Mike?), I saw it opening day, no lines here in OR. Some KRNetters get out (too) often (i e:I should be in the garage). Now where did I put that tailwheel assembly? Oscar??? Paul M. Ashland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:28:32 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:39:01 PST "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > >>If the other Atlanta KR guys are interested and small we >>could all come sometime.. Thanks Ron DeWees > > >Sorry, guys- I just couldn't help it. If the guys are interested and >_small_? As in, how many KRNetters can you fit in a 172 and still fly > >it? ;o) > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >Hi Oscar.. Guess it was worded strangely.. THe Cessna 172 is a 4 place plane just like a KR2 is... if you all weigh about 130# I am closer to 180 tho.. Ron >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #191 *****************************