From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 10:01 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #22 krnet-l-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 022 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:53:36 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Compufire noise I don't know if this helps, but I've had a Compu-fire system in my Karmann Ghia for two years with no trace of radio noise, but that's FM radio mounted 6 feet from the engine. Still, that might suggest that some of Ross's fixes might do the job. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:46:07 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: For Sale The following ad was in Southern Aviator (Smart Birds Fly South) 1992 Rand KR-2 N35DJ, 145TT, 2180 VW engine 70 HP. Had prop strike, needs prop and main gear, parts to repair approx $950, asking $4500. Call David Rose (803) 382 5110 or mailto:rosed@ftc-i.net - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:48:47 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Oregon EAA Fly-in/Air Fair Paul wrote: >Oscar may be there too (they might allow bonfires). Yeah; I am in charge of providing reading materials in all of the porta-potties (trademark). ;o) I will take willing KRNetters to my favorite one-way grass strips in the area, in the Super Cub. The only one I'm not allowed to land on is the old CAA "strip" on top of Table Rock, where the VOR is located. But, I have had the wheels a few inches off the length of the surface of it before! And then there's the grass strip at Paradise Lodge on the Rogue River. A wicked final approach on a dogleg through some trees, and if you miss it... Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:06:09 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING >Hello All , > I am interested in providing flight training in my KR-2 here in Va.... >At one time someone was working on a flight training sylabis for the KR-2 >.. Did it get finished???? I am A Certified Flght Insructor and an >A/P. All those interested should contact me and let me know . I think >35.00 per hour for me and the Airplane is resonable... Dont you agree?? Holy smokes, man! I pay that much just for the plane (C-150)! Around here, instructors (basic) run $20/hr., which means you're _giving_ away your time as far as I'm concerned. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:10:27 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: EA81 Engine/cowling Doug wrote: >I talked to Reiner at Stratus today and he told me that the @.2:1 >reduction drive he uses places the prop drive at the right height for >the standard KR2 cowling. However, the bottom half will need to be >expanded slightly to accomodate the oil pan with an he describes as >being like a shark's mouth to allow ample air flow past the oil pan. > I have also heard in several places that some air should be positively and continuously directed to cooling the belt on the drive. Maybe not necessarily from a dedicated NACA inlet, but at least via internal baffling or blast tube. (Especially for you guys in Arizona where it's hot). Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:23:56 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Compufire noise Mark Langford wrote: > > I don't know if this helps, but I've had a Compu-fire system in my Karmann > Ghia for two years with no trace of radio noise, but that's FM radio > mounted 6 feet from the engine. Still, that might suggest that some of > Ross's fixes might do the job. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford Mark, It only interferes with the transmiting, not the receiving. Now the mag is the opposite. It does interfere with the receiving, but not the transmitting. I have some new sheilded wire on order and plan to sheild everything in site. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:03:27 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Stalls/Flite testing Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Two Tango-Charlie wrote: > > >Just a couple flight testing notes- > > > >I added unfiltered ram air\ filtered carb heat to the plane at the > >same time I installed the wheelpants. On the next flight, I noted >that > my top speed had increased by 30 MPH. WOO HOO! > > Now that is a worthwhile improvement! How did you do the ram air? Do > you have a manual bypass "manifold pressure boost" a la Mooney, or is > the ram air now on all the time? The Mooney setup is great because you > run filtered air during ground ops, climb, descent, then use the ram air > at cruise. Just be sure to put that on your checklists for cruise and > descent. BTW-my brother had a M20E, and flew it down in Texas during > the time there was a volcano eruption in Mexico. There was enough ash > in the air that the engine gulped some when he was running the ram > bypass. Not good. > > >On stalls- > > This is the kind of thing I like to hear about. I know that no two fly > alike, but there have to be similarities in the breed, and it's good to > hear how the thing handles. Thanks for the pirep on the flight testing. > Now if you get tired of flying it in the pattern, just call for a relief > pilot on the Net! > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Oscar, Originally, I had a 4"X4" box in front of the Ellison with a 2" flange in the front and one on the pass. side.The front one had SCAT hose on it going up to the pass. side engine air inlet to a K&N filter similar to what Calvin Campbell has on his KR. The other inlet had SCAT hose going to the pass. side header where there was a small heat muff. The box has a flapper valve connected to the carb heat control. With this setup, my EGT's were low. To get more air, I cut a hole in the cowl in front of the carb(ouch!), did away with the old air inlet system, glassed a nice flange inside the cow that connects direct to the airbox with a very short piece of 2" SCAT hose. I also did away with the heat muff on the header, and put a small K&N air filter on the side of the airbox. This resides right below the header and under the waste heat from the pass, side cylinders. The carb heat control functions as before, only now it controls ram air for take off and in the air VS warm filtered air for on the ground when power is not needed, but filtration is. This also functions for carb heat- which is usually in low power situations anyway. The box was very simple to make- it's made of .020 AL, about 4" square with AL flanges pop rivited in. You can get the flanges from AS&S or Wicks. Made the flapper valve square, out of the same material. The flapper post is AL tube that has cotter pins on the top and bottom to keep it in place. Hope this post was not too long and boring, I would be happy to give more details to anyone who wants them- just E-mail me direct. I plan to fly to Sun & Fun so you could see it there. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:34:45 -0800 From: hjfine@wave.net Subject: KR: Smyth Sidewinder >Guys: Does anybody know what a Smyth Sidewinder is? Any opinions? Please email direct. Thanks. Hank Feinberg > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:58:39 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Sun & Fun. Reminder!!!! We have secured group rates at the Budgetel (Tampa Fairgrounds). When you call ask for the manager, Bob Seguin. Be sure and tell him you need the KR Group rate. This rate is $59.95, the regular rate is $79.95. Mark, the weather is looking good for "wheels in the well" (yeh, right, it's a 172) Saturday morning. Should be landing around 11:00 am your time. We'll give you a call. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:06:03 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Sun & Fun phone number. Duh...I guess you need the number. Budgetel, Tampa Fairgrounds, KR Sun & Fun Group Rate $59.95 813 626-0885. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:39:27 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Smyth Sidewinder At 10:34 AM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Guys: Does anybody know what a Smyth Sidewinder is? Any opinions? Please >email direct. Thanks. Hank Feinberg >> A very cool little (well not as little as a KR) metal airplane. I gave this one some thought but decided against the metal construction technique. I did that kinda stuff in the USMC and really didn't like doing it! It has tri gear and looks sorta like a aerodynamic RV6A. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:04:01 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS Mike , Thanks for the response. I got some rough numbers from Ross. Thats all I needed at this point. I am making plans to move the acft back here to Va. I will probably use a U-HAUL 24 ft truck and put everything inside. I will let everyone know how it all turns out. Regards, Lloyd On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:48:16 -0800 Micheal Mims writes: >At 09:14 PM 1/21/98 EST, you wrote: >Do you know the lengths of wing panels?? and the distance between the >wheels??? >>>> > > Well you have some good questions but there are so many variables, >does it >have the retracts or fixed gear? If fixed is it Dan Diehl gear or >scratch >built? Are the wings scratch built or are they from Dan also. The >answers >to your questions all depend on what gear, what wings and who knows >how many >other variables. The phrase "No two Homebuilt Airplanes are alike" is >VERY >applicable to the KR series. If you have the retracts I guess your >wheels >would be about 5 to 6 feet apart, if the wings are scratch built they >(the >outer panels) would be about 6.5 feet long. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:04:01 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING Ross , CHO is only about an hour from here . I weigh about 190 . I dont know the paticulars of this Acft yet. I still have to bring it here from NC. I plan to weigh it once I have it here then I could tell you better if we both fit. I only plan to share expenses in the acft. I would like to see the sylabus if you have it together. Thanks for the specs. I will probably use a U-HAUL 24ft van. Thanks, Lloyd On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:41:42 -0800 Ross writes: >Lloyd, > The person thinking about a flight sylabus was me...(Ross). >I think your rate is quite good, where in Va are you? I think >the only possible issue is my weight. At 210# we might be >overweight... depending on fuel etc. > My father lives near Charlottesville so I can swing over and >visit him along the way. I think at a minimum some flight time >would be a great idea. > -- Ross > >Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: >> >> Hello All , >> I am interested in providing flight training in my KR-2 here in >Va.... >> At one time someone was working on a flight training sylabis for the >KR-2 >> .. Did it get finished???? I am A Certified Flght Insructor and >an >> A/P. All those interested should contact me and let me know . I >think >> 35.00 per hour for me and the Airplane is resonable... Dont you >agree?? >> Thanks, >> Lloyd >> E-MAIL LEPERKINS@JUNO.COM > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:04:01 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING Oscar, Im not trying to get rich........ Only share expenses !!! Besides Im already rich !!!! God has given me all I need !!! Thanks, Lloyd On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:06:09 PST "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > > >>Hello All , >> I am interested in providing flight training in my KR-2 here in >Va.... >>At one time someone was working on a flight training sylabis for the >KR-2 >>.. Did it get finished???? I am A Certified Flght Insructor and an >>A/P. All those interested should contact me and let me know . I >think >>35.00 per hour for me and the Airplane is resonable... Dont you >agree?? > >Holy smokes, man! I pay that much just for the plane (C-150)! Around > >here, instructors (basic) run $20/hr., which means you're _giving_ >away >your time as far as I'm concerned. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:13:24 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Huntsville Name Game. Hey guys, I just got an e-mail from Steve Eberhart and I couldn't help but post this concerning the upcoming weekend in Huntsville.....LangfordKosh..........got a lot more ring to it than Huntsville III. What do you think? Mark, what did you call that one place, wasn't it The Boody Bungalo; sounds like a good meeting place to me. Sorry for the unauthorized use of the bandwidth, but I couldn't help sharing Ed's idea. LangfordKosh, hummmmmm. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:33:35 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS At 05:04 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: >Mike , >Thanks for the response. I got some rough numbers from Ross. Thats all I >needed at this point. I am making plans to move the acft back here to Va. >I will probably use a U-HAUL 24 ft truck and put everything inside. I >will let everyone know how it all turns out. >Regards, >Lloyd > FYI I hauled my KR2S in a 24ft Ryder and it worked GREAT. I had to tip it on its side a bit to get it through the door but once inside we sat her on her feet and it fit nicely. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:43:12 -0800 From: darrin Subject: KR: back to work Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be cotter keyed? Tom C., I figured I better go ahead and build this bird and hope for the best on my medical. I look forward to talking to you in Lakeland if not before. Darrin West kr-1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:51:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: back to work At 06:43 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and >rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be >cotter keyed? Normal construction methods dictate using a bolt or clevis pin with a castellated nut and cotter pin, or washer in place of nut of a clevis pin is used. If you are using a bolt / nut combo the nut only need be finger tight. Do not use a locking nut on any hinge. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:05:43 -0800 From: darrin Subject: KR: hinge brackets I know the hinge pin should be keyed, I was refering to the attach bolts that hold the brackets to the wood. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:10:35 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: hinge brackets At 08:05 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >I know the hinge pin should be keyed, I was refering to the attach >bolts that hold the brackets to the wood. > > I used nyloc nuts and a 1/8 aluminum backing plate. If you over tighten the bolts you will find your hinges will flex a little and appear to bind (that's if you are using the aluminum kit from RR). Just snug and you should be fine. Sorry about the info on the hinge bolts, but someone on the list asked the same question last year and they were talking about the hinge bolts. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:58:28 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: back to work In a message dated 98-01-22 19:31:01 EST, you write: << Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be cotter keyed? >> You'll find a couple of schools of thought on this. Some say anything that rotates should be cotter keyed. The KR parts furnished by RR use nylock nuts or some sort of lock nut. Cessna uses lock nuts on their small planes. I suppose it's your call. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:07:26 EST From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS In a message dated 98-01-21 21:29:54 EST, Lloyd wrote: << It is flyable but it has been sitting for two years. It was finished by Max Caulkin. (whoever he is.) >> Lloyd: If this is the same one, Max had the plane at KRKosh in Pine Bluff, AR in 1996. It had a for sale sign on it at that time. I did see it fly on Sunday of that event. I thought it had an 1835 on it? I don't recall anyone being in it, I think Max flew it himself. Robert Muse may know more. Bobby, got your ears up? Beware of the aft CG "problem/situation" that can arise with two on board. They say KR2's tend to be a bit twitchy in pitch (like some other planes) when the CG gets too far aft...just my two cents worth... Randy (no flames please) Stein BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:04:48 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: back to work At 08:58 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: > You'll find a couple of schools of thought on this. Some say anything that >rotates should be cotter keyed. The KR parts furnished by RR use nylock nuts >or some sort of lock nut. Cessna uses lock nuts on their small planes. I >suppose it's your call. > >Jim Hayward > You may want to take a closer look at the Cessna hinge, its designed so that it cant be tighten down. Unless you install some sort of spacer in the KR style hinge then a lock nut should not be used. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:10:05 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Sun & Fun/Huntsville III KR2 616TJ wrote: > > Reminder!!!! > > We have secured group rates at the Budgetel (Tampa Fairgrounds). When > you call ask for the manager, Bob Seguin. Be sure and tell him you > need the KR Group rate. This rate is $59.95, the regular rate is > $79.95. Bob Seguin answered the phone when I called. Nice guy! Come on guys, plan to be there. BTW, Bobby Muse emailed me asking that I invite his father to come down to Huntsville III along with the rest of the Atlanta gang. Bob Sr. has a nice flying KR2. Well, tonight Bob Sr. tells me that, weather permitting, he'll fly his KR2 to Marion Exec. Saturday morning. Sounds like we'll get to see the Lionheart, Mark Langford's version of the KR2S, an honest-to-goodness flying KR2 and get to hear from a veteran KR flyer. Gonna' be great I tell ya! Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:35:36 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Huntsville (skip if you're not coming) Dana Overall wrote: > The Boody Bungalo; sounds like a good meeting place to me. That's BOOBY Bungalow. Famous for such greats as Chesty, Cherry, etc...if you get my drift. Troy Petteway and Ken Cornelius have joined the fray as well. Troy will be flying down in one of his leftovers, an immaculate L-16 that he rebuilt. I keep saying we'll shoot for 11:00 so we can all go eat together before starting the "wieny roast". What that means is that if you aren't there, we're gonna talk about ya and laugh at ya. I hope I have a chance to put the plane back together to some extent before anybody shows up. But I'm rebuilding Larry French's PC tonight (Windows95 strikes again), and tomorrow I'll probably get a 56K modem and a new color printer from the nice UPS man, so it'll probably look just like it does now. The thought occured to me that with this many people around, I should start bodywork. Bring a sanding block... How're you gonna get all that beer in a little bitty 172? Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: KR2 616TJ > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Huntsville Name Game. > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:13 PM > > Hey guys, I just got an e-mail from Steve Eberhart and I couldn't help but > post this concerning the upcoming weekend in > Huntsville.....LangfordKosh..........got a lot more ring to it than Huntsville > III. What do you think? Mark, what did you call that one place, wasn't it > The Boody Bungalo; sounds like a good meeting place to me. > Sorry for the unauthorized use of the bandwidth, but I couldn't help sharing > Ed's idea. > > LangfordKosh, hummmmmm. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:56:40 -0800 From: hjfine@wave.net Subject: Re: KR: Smyth Sidewinder At 01:39 PM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:34 AM 1/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>>Guys: Does anybody know what a Smyth Sidewinder is? Any opinions? Please >>email direct. Thanks. Hank Feinberg >>> > >A very cool little (well not as little as a KR) metal airplane. I gave this >one some thought but decided against the metal construction technique. I >did that kinda stuff in the USMC and really didn't like doing it! It has >tri gear and looks sorta like a aerodynamic RV6A. > >Mike: This fellow has 2 sidewinders. 1 is 80% complete and the other is in crates. He has 2 o-290 Lyc engines. 1 has 400since major and the other is in boxes. He wants $10000 for the whole shootin' match but is now having second thoughts. I am actively looking for a kr project as well. Thanks for your response to my email. Hank Feinberg in the beautiful southern Oregon Cascades. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:30:27 -0500 From: mike cochran Subject: Re: KR: back to work darrin wrote: > > Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and > rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be > cotter keyed? > Darrin, Use castle nuts and cotter keys. Where are you located in South Ga. I'm in Americus Ga. Mike Cochran 75% KR II ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:26:43 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: back to work In a message dated 98-01-22 22:10:10 EST, you write: << You'll find a couple of schools of thought on this. Some say anything that >rotates should be cotter keyed. The KR parts furnished by RR use nylock nuts >or some sort of lock nut. Cessna uses lock nuts on their small planes. I >suppose it's your call. > >Jim Hayward > You may want to take a closer look at the Cessna hinge, its designed so that it cant be tighten down. Unless you install some sort of spacer in the KR style hinge then a lock nut should not be used. >> I totally agree, Michael. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:00:27 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: back to work Hi Darrin, They should be cotter keyed. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: darrin To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 22 January, 1998 16:29 Subject: KR: back to work >Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and >rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be >cotter keyed? > > Tom C., I figured I better go ahead and build this bird and hope >for the best on my medical. I look forward to talking to you in >Lakeland if not before. > > > Darrin West > kr-1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:05:57 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: hinge brackets Hi Darrin, Nylocks will be O.K. for the thoughbolt in the spar. Make sure your backup plates are good enough so as to not crush the wood. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: darrin To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 22 January, 1998 18:23 Subject: KR: hinge brackets >I know the hinge pin should be keyed, I was refering to the attach >bolts that hold the brackets to the wood. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:02:47 -0800 From: Ross Subject: KR: Parts Subject to Rotation = Cotter pin & Castelated nut Use a drilled bolt and a castellated nut with a cotter pin on any bolt that might be subject to rotation. If you want you can buy a self locking castellated nut, but they are $$$. Then if you forget the cotter pin, you won't say DUH right away. - -- Ross Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 08:58 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: > > You'll find a couple of schools of thought on this. Some say anything that > >rotates should be cotter keyed. The KR parts furnished by RR use nylock nuts > >or some sort of lock nut. Cessna uses lock nuts on their small planes. I > >suppose it's your call. > > > >Jim Hayward > > > > You may want to take a closer look at the Cessna hinge, its designed so that > it cant be tighten down. Unless you install some sort of spacer in the KR > style hinge then a lock nut should not be used. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:21:31 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Ross Youngblood ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------C77BAB9508A19A67745A2D7C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------C77BAB9508A19A67745A2D7C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Fri Jan 23 00:09:52 1998) X-From_: krnet-l-owner Fri Jan 23 00:09:43 1998 Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id AAA08452; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:09:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199801230809.AAA08452@mail1.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Ross Youngblood ] >From krnet-l-owner Fri Jan 23 00:09:36 1998 Received: from teleport.com (ip-tangent1-04.teleport.com [206.163.120.101]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08439 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:09:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34C8510C.26E65512@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:13:01 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Reply-To: krnet@teleport.com Organization: KR Builders & Fliers Assoc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR2 PROJ For Sale $3950 obo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F8F32ED215A36D9FB73095D8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F8F32ED215A36D9FB73095D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR2 For sale - --------------F8F32ED215A36D9FB73095D8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Fri Jan 23 00:05:03 1998) X-From_: krnet-l-owner Thu Jan 22 22:22:49 1998 Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id WAA05785; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:22:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199801230622.WAA05785@smtp1.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [" Calvin" ] >From krnet-l-owner Thu Jan 22 22:22:44 1998 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.132]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05763 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1514 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 1998 06:13:25 -0000 Received: from 153.37.151.177 by db01-fast via web-mailer (2.1) on Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:32:16 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:32:16 From: " Calvin" To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR-2 project for sale in Colorado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR-2 PROJECT FOR SALE 60% completed. Excellent workmanship. Has two upgrades: Manually retractable landing gear, and a linkage system for the controls. Sacrifice at $3,950 or best offer. Needs engine and instruments. Located in Denver, Colorado. Call Calvin at (303) 738-1293 (home) or (303) 274-1389 (work). E-mail: calvingeorge@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com - --------------F8F32ED215A36D9FB73095D8-- - --------------C77BAB9508A19A67745A2D7C-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:23:03 -0800 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: back to work Use castelated nuts and cotter keys on anything that has any chance to rotate. John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - planing the spar caps Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > Hello once again from South Ga. Quick question on elevator and > rudder hinge brackets. Should nylock nuts be used or should they be > cotter keyed? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:17:45 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Huntsville III Pilgrims, The weather may not cooperate sufficiently for VFR flight, at least early anyway. You guys are welcome to get here whenever you get here, whether early or late. I pretty much plan to make a day of it, so I'm not holding anybody to the 11:00 (CST) thing. That's more of a lunch time plan. Sunday's supposed to be nice, but my wife works and I'll have a 3 year old and a 5 year old to deal with. I wouldn't be able to carry on an intelligent conversation for more than a few seconds at a time. And for the folks that can't make it, you're welcome anytime, just check with me first to make sure I'll be here. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:36:55 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: LangfordKosh-no archive Mark wrote: I'll have a 3 year old >and a 5 year old to deal with. I wouldn't be able to carry on an >intelligent conversation for more than a few seconds at a time. It's OK, Mark. My wife & daughters says that's the mentality of most men anyway. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:17:45 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: KR: Cabin heat Good day KRnetters, I'm likely going to be purchasing a KR plans and kit this spring after I get my workshop situation straightened out. Since I live here in the great wite northland of Canada, where we have about 10 months of winter and 2 months of poor sledding, I'm just wondering about the cabin heat situation with the KR. Has anyone installed any sort of cabin heat? Or is it just the old fashioned wool kind that's available? Mike Sharkey X11 Development SoftArc Inc. http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:31:32 -0600 From: kencor@cneti.com (Ken Cornelius) Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville directions > >Huntsville Gathering III fans, > >I put a map to my house from Huntsville on my site at >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/map.gif . I learned after I scribbled it >out that if you're coming from the North on I-65, the exit number may be 1 >(instead of 2), at the big green sign that says Huntsville and Ardmore, and >it may mention Tennessee state road 7, as well. If anybody has trouble >printing that out, I'll send real directions, but the map should get you >here. The airport of choice would be M82, otherwise known as Madison >County Executive, whatever that means. It was just plain North Huntsville >when I did my training there. Phone number is 205-851-9902, or >205-683-7895 (cellular, near airport excursion time). > >It appears as though the weather just might cooperate after all for the >flying KRNetHeads. I'll just stay at the house until somebody calls, then >I'll come pick you up. You can scope out Lionheart while you wait on me. >It's in the only hangar there. And it looks like we're up to 12 folks >headed this way, 5% of KRNet! Anybody else is welcome. Just bring beer. >I'll need something to help you forget all of the scary things you see >before you can remember to report me to other KRNetters. Enter at the >basement door. > >Anybody who's going to stay a little while should see the Space and Rocket >Museum (205-837-3400) if at all possible. It's plum full of good stuff. >If you look at my map and you're travelling East on I-65, it's the next >exit after Rideout Road. > >See ya Saturday, > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > Mark, I just got home last night from my trip. I talked with Ken Thomas and he said he would fly up from Jasper. If you need help transporting people from the airport let me know and I'll come a little early. By the way, North Huntsville is the airport at Hazelgreen, correct? See you tomorrow Ken kencor@cneti.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:50:32 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: FLIGHT TRNG UPDATE Fellow KR-2 Builders/Owners, I am willing to "SHARE EXPENSES" in my KR-2 , once I have it in flyable condition. Sorry for giving everybody the impression that I was starting formal flight Training. I assure everyone that my intentions were honarable. I have no intention to violate any FARs. Best Regards, LLoyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:50:32 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS Randy, Thanks for the advice. I need all I can get... This is not the acft you saw at that gathering. This one has been in fylable storage for the past two years. Regards, Lloyd On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:07:26 EST BSHADR writes: >In a message dated 98-01-21 21:29:54 EST, Lloyd wrote: > ><< It is flyable but it has been sitting for two years. It was >finished by > Max Caulkin. (whoever he is.) >> > >Lloyd: > >If this is the same one, Max had the plane at KRKosh in Pine Bluff, AR >in >1996. It had a for sale sign on it at that time. I did see it fly on >Sunday >of that event. I thought it had an 1835 on it? I don't recall anyone >being >in it, I think Max flew it himself. Robert Muse may know more. >Bobby, got >your ears up? > >Beware of the aft CG "problem/situation" that can arise with two on >board. >They say KR2's tend to be a bit twitchy in pitch (like some other >planes) when >the CG gets too far aft...just my two cents worth... > >Randy (no flames please) Stein >BSHADR@aol.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:00:22 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville III Mark Langford wrote: > > The weather may not cooperate sufficiently for VFR flight, at least > early anyway. Ducks are walkin' in Atlanta this morning. NWS claims 300'/1mi. and that looks optimistic. > You guys are welcome to get here whenever you get > here, whether early or late. I pretty much plan to make a day of it, > so I'm not holding anybody to the 11:00 (CST) thing. That's more of > a lunch time plan. The Atlanta contingent should arrive by 11:00 CST, so lunch will definitely be in order(since our stomachs will think it's noon anyway). Is there someplace convenient to the airport. I definitely want to get a close look at Lionheart while we're there. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:26:23 -0800 From: michael@access1.net (michael) Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS mike how do i get off the e-mail list? michael@access1.net - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 3:17 PM Subject: Re: KR: NEED SPECS >At 05:04 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: >>Mike , >>Thanks for the response. I got some rough numbers from Ross. Thats all I >>needed at this point. I am making plans to move the acft back here to Va. >>I will probably use a U-HAUL 24 ft truck and put everything inside. I >>will let everyone know how it all turns out. >>Regards, >>Lloyd >> > >FYI I hauled my KR2S in a 24ft Ryder and it worked GREAT. I had to tip it >on its side a bit to get it through the door but once inside we sat her on >her feet and it fit nicely. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:56:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRNG UPDATE At 10:50 AM 1/23/98 EST, you wrote: >Fellow KR-2 Builders/Owners, > > I am willing to "SHARE EXPENSES" in my KR-2 , once I have it in >flyable condition. Sorry for giving everybody the impression that I was >starting formal flight Training. > I assure everyone that my intentions were honarable. I have no >intention to violate any FARs. >Best Regards, >LLoyd > I think you could have charged for CFI time only and been just fine but you never know these days! A few "ifs" involved but "if" my plane flies OK and "if" I think its fit as a two person airplane I will do the same for you west coast builders. My CFI expired but I am an ATP and last I checked we ATPs were allowed to give dual instruction and you are allowed to log it as instruction given. My KR (SW200) will more than likely be a slug compared to a KR2 (it has an enlarged tail) as far has handling goes but hey it should be close! So "if" someone out there is planning on finishing up around 1999 or 2000 and wants some dual time give me a call when your ready! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #22 ****************************