From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 9:59 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #24 krnet-l-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 024 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:13:59 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!! At 10:57 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote: >Fellow KR- Owners/ Builders, > > WHAT WAS I THINKING !!!???? >I here by formally rescind my offer for any and all flight training, be >it sharing expenses or accepting non-refundable deposits......>>>>>>> Dude I think you were ok to charge for YOUR services just not for your aircraft. Who gives a flip anyway? I would still take you up on it if I were a new builder and low time pilot without and time in type! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:34:03 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Wayland T. Stokes) Subject: KR: Re: SW KR Gathering (NO archive) Michael I think you have something going and I would like to attend a SW Kosh. Ton in Reno NV On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:04:00 -0800 Micheal Mims writes: >At 08:25 PM 1/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Sounds good. Anyone in the NM/AZ area or do you guys mean CA? >> >>Ron Lee >> > >I was thinking Ca, but............................??? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:45:02 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Wayland T. Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: EA81 Engine/cowling Oscar Les Foster in Dallas had an ad on one of the Bboards for an engine mount for an EA81 engine. That is what he flies in his KR2. If interested I could probally find it again. Tom in Reno NV On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:33:58 PST "Oscar Zuniga" writes: >Douglas wrote: >>Does anyone have any information or suggestions for engine mounting >the >>EA81 engine? >> >>Also can the standard KR2 cowling be used or adapted to fit over the >>EA81 engine? >> > >Hi, Douglas > >I'm planning the EA-81 in the KR-2S, but haven't found a pre-designed >ready to use mount. Ross Aero says that they have built up one of >these >combos, but they are one-offs; they don't stock anything. Stratus can > >make one, or may have one, which uses the "bed type" mounts under the >heads, bolting to a conventional 4-point mount like you would use for >other engines. The problem is that you don't want the heavier EA-81 >hanging out as far as a lighter engine would, so you need to keep it >close to the firewall if possible. That almost means a custom mount. > >The short answer is, if you can weld or know somebody who can, you'll >probably need to make your own. I've heard that the Soob can be >mounted >with the prop shaft centerline right on the 'stock' centerline (top of > >longerons); that's with a PSRU. I don't know where the thrust line >should be with the direct-drive setup. [Mims- have you looked at this > >for the direct drive turbo?] > >Regarding the cowling- I am trying to do some 3-views on AutoCAD with >this setup, but don't have any accurate cowling dimensions. I may go >over to Paul Martin's and measure his cowling (Rand-Robinson premold) >so >I can draw it up in CAD and monkey with it. If so, I'll post here and > >make the .DWG available to anybody who's interested. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:51:59 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Re: SW KR Gathering (NO archive) Ditto John F. Esch Salem, OR Wayland T. Stokes wrote: > Michael > I think you have something going and I would like to attend a SW > Kosh. > > Ton in Reno NV > > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:04:00 -0800 Micheal Mims > > writes: > >At 08:25 PM 1/23/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>Sounds good. Anyone in the NM/AZ area or do you guys mean CA? > >> > >>Ron Lee > >> > > > >I was thinking Ca, but............................??? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > >Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > > > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 06:42:24 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat MikeT nyc wrote: > >> If you're putting an electrical system in, you could also use a > >supplementary > >> electric heater (from JC Whitney's, etc.) that they sell for use in cars. > >> Full draw from that would sap some engine power, but you don't usually need > >> extra lift at the same time you need heat. > >> > >> Mike Taglieri > > > The standard Great Plains style alternator theoretically puts out 20 amps -- > 240 watts. Assuming this figure is at least semi-accurate, I think you could > spare 50-100 watts to power a heater, at least for short periods, and I was > assuming you'd be using this electric heater only occasionally, or to > supplement the heat-muff off the exhaust on colder days. Off the top of my > head, I'd estimate 50-75 watts max for a distributor-type ignition system (no > drain at all if you use just a magneto, of course), and pretty trivial amounts > for a modern transponder and radio. That would leave you quite a bit of juice > to spare. Night flying, of course, would use more. > > Mike Taglieri Mike, The Great Plains alternator puts out about 20 amps at 3600 RPM. It puts out significantly less at lower RPM's. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville,FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:53:53 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Huntsville Frick wrote: > I''ll tell ya wot, I'm getting preety tired of 'ol Lanfgord hav'n all the > fun... It was definitely a boost for all involved. I'd highly recommend this sort of thing even in groups of two or three. The last time we had one these it was Vince Bozik, Ken Cornelius, Jim Hill, and Art Smart. I think we ALL left with a few more ideas and a big shot of enthusiasm. This time it was Ken Cornelius, Patrick Flowers, Don DeWees, Russ (last name here), Dana Overall, Alan Moat and his wife, Jud Stone and his wife Susan, and Troy Petteway. (I'm sure I'll think of somebody I missed when I hit the send button.) Ken Cornelius left me with knowledge of how to use rod end bearings on tail surfaces, so stay tuned for a drawing on that one. Dana brought a sample of a homebrewed tailwheel rod. Jud brought some interesting design information (another book I need to buy). Troy brought his wealth of KR and flying experience, and was the only one who mananged to fly here in his L-16. And most importantly, Patrick brought the beer. I wouldn't worry about having enough activities planned for your SoCal thang. I had all kinds of books and plans and "show and tell" things lined up, but we stood around the boat and talked about everything else KR. Didn't even get to show anybody my filthy fuel injection parts, or my full size plot of my prop shaft and cowling. Maybe next time... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:21:56 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison > From: MR JEAN R VERON > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 6:58 PM > > Marvin > Martin Roberts and I have been testing the original wings vs the > Diehl wings. There is no difference in top speed but there is a 400 > FPM increase in climb with the Diehl wings. Also the plane takes less > of a takeoff run, but due to traffic at RVS we are unable to get a > measurment. For those interested, we flew today without wheel pants. > The result was we went from 185 mph to 165 cruise. > Jean > N4DD > Broken Arrow, OK I have not looked into the deihl skins in detail. Could someone explain the details on them to me. I have been studying a friends Pulsar XP wings which have composite spars, foam ribs and vaccum bagged mold-laid skins. Interestingly enough they are not sandwich construction. glass only You can see right through them. I am assuming that the deihl skins are sandwiched. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:24:23 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat > > The standard Great Plains style alternator theoretically puts out 20 amps -- > > 240 watts. Assuming this figure is at least semi-accurate, I think you could > > spare 50-100 watts to power a heater, at least for short periods, and I was > > assuming you'd be using this electric heater only occasionally, or to > > supplement the heat-muff off the exhaust on colder days. Off the top of my > > head, I'd estimate 50-75 watts max for a distributor-type ignition system (no > > drain at all if you use just a magneto, of course), and pretty trivial amounts > > for a modern transponder and radio. That would leave you quite a bit of juice > > to spare. Night flying, of course, would use more. 50 -100 watts isnt going to throw much heat in an uninsulated cabin. Electric socks would feel warmer. AARP (the Association for the Advancement of Richard Parker) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:16:27, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING By the standard set by our president, only if you get caught. Even then deny everything. ;-) Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:20:26, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: Internet Message On a 185 mph airplane i would expect the difference to be greater than on a 145 mph airplane which may be 8 mph.Just a thought. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:34:36, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: Internet Message The Diehl wing skins are a mold laidup sandwich. They are not the -2S skins RR sells. They are 24" longer each ( if I remember correctly ) and only 4 sq/ft more area total than the original wings. I'll find out from Dan what the current price is. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:36:28 -0600 From: "Randy Stout" Subject: KR: Re: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BD296C.54597EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Parker wrote: >I have not looked into the deihl skins in detail. Could someone explain = the >details on them to me. I have been studying a friends Pulsar XP wings = which >have composite spars, foam ribs and vacuum bagged mold-laid skins. >Interestingly enough they are not sandwich construction. glass only = You >can see right through them. I am assuming that the deihl skins are >sandwiched.=20 Richard I have a pamphlet from Diehl Aero-Nautical. He says they're vacuum bag = molded with 1/4" "Last-A-Foam" cores. The skins are 6 oz. 7533 = bi-directional cloth. An extra layer of cloth is added where the skins = are bonded to the spars.=20 The skins are longer then the stock wings at 23' 6"and apparently can be = used on both the KR-2 and -2S with only a slight modification to the = spars.=20 Randy Stout - San Antonio TX r5t0ut@flash.net - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BD296C.54597EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have a pamphlet from Diehl Aero-Nautical.  He says they're = vacuum=20 bag molded with 1/4" "Last-A-Foam" cores. The skins are 6 = oz.=20 7533 bi-directional cloth. An extra layer of cloth is added where the = skins are=20 bonded to the spars.
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BD296C.54597EC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:53:19 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING I agree with Rich. Lloyd had a very generous offer to SHARE expenses while at the same time getting a person up to speed on flying the KR. We all know that the KR is mucho different than a Cessna 152. Now if I can get an hour or two in a KR to get a feel for its handling and flight characteristics, and if I can get to the point where I can safely land and take-off, with an instructor type dude on board, imagine the safety benefits. I suspect that first flights are somewhat dangerous. More so if the person is not current IN TYPE. So even if there is some ambiguity about experimentals and FOR HIRE... I say screw it. The safety benefits OUTWEIGH a stupid reg. Besides, I find it hard to believe that Lloyd is really making money at it. And IF he is, it may be only $10 a hour. Gee, that hardly pays for his time to drive to the airport and back. So in my opinion, he makes nada. Ron Lee At 01:07 AM 1/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >Folks, > >I have seen a lot of comments about Lloyd's offer and want to bring up >several points here.. > > 1 - "Sharing expenses" is perfectly legal. > > 2 - There is a great need for assistance to builders in getting >checked out in the KR. > > 3 - It is much safer to get checked out, than to bumble along by one's >self. > > 4 - Who better to do assistance than a CFI? > > 5 - Why do some people always think they know more than anyone else >and try to > screw things up? It isn't appreciated you know! > >I fully intend to get check ride training before I go flying off into the >wild blue with my new KR2S because it is THE SENSIBLE THING TO DO. I >believe everyone has been taught to do this in their flight training >regarding an unfamilar plane ... went something like this, "while being >rated SEL makes you legal in any single engine land, since different planes >have different characteristics it is smart and highly recommended that you >get a check ride in any plane you have not flown before". > >Lloyd, if your around when I get my machine going I'd like to book at least >a dozen check rides and familarization training flights. Ok? By the way, >I've got International flight experience (ICAO) in Europe and still want >the check ride training. > > >Rich "KR2S XXL will travel" McCall >Junction City, KS > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:56:51 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 98-01-24 23:13:49 EST, you write: << My Sincerest Apology to all those appropriated rated Pilots who I must have offended It will NEVER happen again....................... Best Regards, Lloyd >> Hey Lloyd, I'm in Richmond, KY. Whenever my bird gets done this summer, I sure would like to hop over and "see" how your bird flies. You didn't offend me, I thought it was a very generous offer of help. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:42:47 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat At 06:42 AM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >The Great Plains alternator puts out about 20 amps at 3600 RPM. It puts out significantly less at lower RPM's. > >Tom Crawford Your right! That was the topic of discussion yesterday at the hanger, at a normal cruise setting none of the four VW flyers said they could run all the gizmos in their aircraft without the battery draining. Gizmos= Strobes, Nav lights, radios and electric boost pumps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:28:05 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Need for air expansion holes? - ------------- I know that air expands when you reach altitude and hence, the holes drilled in the spars allow for the air to expand so nothing breaks. What about foam sandwich construction?? Do you need to make holes in the glass so the air in the foam can expand without harming the glass?? Or will the foam take up the expansion with out the need for air release holes???????? I was thinking about my floor boards that I have sandwiched foam and plywood and possibly wing foam glass sandwich panels. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING >Check me on this as I'm a little rusty, but isn't it illegal to provide >commercial services in an experimental acft? >-Peter- Nope, not if it's for providing training, not for providing the aircraft. How else would experimental pilots get training in their aircraft type? I don't believe it's the FAA's intent to have us all go out and get killed because we didn't know squat about our KRs. I believe any CFI can charge for his services in any aircraft. Like I said, he just can't charge rental time on his experimental aircraft. That's my simple and humble opinion, for what it's worth. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:28:27 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Need for air expansion holes? MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > ... air to expand > What about foam sandwich construction?? Do you need to make > holes in the glass so the air in the foam can expand without harming the > glass?? > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > ----------------------------- None of the literature ever talks about this one, so it must not be a problem. The foam is not air tight, so the expanding air can escape to somewhere. I guess that the small open areas in and around the sandwich will allow enough expansion. It is also possible that the foam will compress enough to make up for the air expansion. This is not a really satisfactory answer, but I don't know a better one. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:35:28 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: SOCALKosh offer - hosted by Frick & Frack Hey Randy, Mike: Lets not keep this leftist sided (?) fly-in a secret, if everyone on the left coast would like to get together and talk about KR's or aircraft in general lets do it. Now that I've said that, any takers? Dave Moore P.S. I'll come! At 05:43 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-23 22:09:08 EST, Mike wrote: > ><< > Yea your beginning to make me think Randy and I should have a South West > Mimskosh or Steinkosh better yet how about Chinokosh! Randy??? >> > >Geeze....is it whine time already? If anyone in the bottom left corner of >America is interested, you can Email Mike or myself direct about having a >SOCALKosh. Chino is a pretty cool airport and I wood guess we could set up >enough fun stuff to do to fill most of a Saturday. Any takers? > >I''ll tell ya wot, I'm getting preety tired of 'ol Lanfgord hav'n all the >fun... > >Randy (Frick) Stein >BSHADR@aol.com > >Mike (Frack) Mims >mikemims@pacbell.net > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:17:00 EST From: KRkip Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING In reference to getting some flight training in a KR i would add that if you can become comfortable flying a KR with two people on board you would have no problem when you flew solo. The KR handles so much better when flown solo, all in a positive way. KR Kip Lincoln Me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:53:48 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: SOCALKosh offer - hosted by Frick & Frack Mike, There use to be a couple of flying KR's at Corona Airport, do you know anything about them? Dave Moore At 04:11 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 05:43 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote: > Chino is a pretty cool airport and I wood guess we could set up >>enough fun stuff to do to fill most of a Saturday. Any takers? >> > >Heck if all else fails we can count cows! Nah there is plenty to do from >eating at Flo's Diner to Visiting the Planes of Fame museum. Today I stood >once again in awe as a P-51 took to the skies and did low passes down the >runway. We have at least 3 or 4 flying KRs and who knows how many under >construction! > >PS there is just about one of everything (old things that is) at the planes >of fame museum and its only about 7 or 8 dollars to get in. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:57:07 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: SOCALKosh offer - hosted by Frick & Frack When and Where? John F. Esch Salem, OR David Moore wrote: > Hey Randy, Mike: > Lets not keep this leftist sided (?) fly-in a secret, if everyone on > the > left coast would like to get together and talk about KR's or aircraft > in > general lets do it. > Now that I've said that, any takers? > > Dave Moore > > P.S. I'll come! > > At 05:43 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-01-23 22:09:08 EST, Mike wrote: > > > ><< > > Yea your beginning to make me think Randy and I should have a South > West > > Mimskosh or Steinkosh better yet how about Chinokosh! Randy??? >> > > > >Geeze....is it whine time already? If anyone in the bottom left > corner of > >America is interested, you can Email Mike or myself direct about > having a > >SOCALKosh. Chino is a pretty cool airport and I wood guess we could > set up > >enough fun stuff to do to fill most of a Saturday. Any takers? > > > >I''ll tell ya wot, I'm getting preety tired of 'ol Lanfgord hav'n all > the > >fun... > > > >Randy (Frick) Stein > >BSHADR@aol.com > > > >Mike (Frack) Mims > >mikemims@pacbell.net > > > > > > David Moore > Turnkey1@MSComm.Com > Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:57:18 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat (no archive) At 08:42 AM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:42 AM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >>The Great Plains alternator puts out about 20 amps at 3600 RPM. It puts out >significantly less at lower RPM's. >> >>Tom Crawford > >Your right! That was the topic of discussion yesterday at the hanger, at a >normal cruise setting none of the four VW flyers said they could run all the >gizmos in their aircraft without the battery draining. > >Gizmos= Strobes, Nav lights, radios and electric boost pumps. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Then their operating handbook should have a disclaimer about that. When using the electric cabin heat, first turn off the toaster, CD player and back massager. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:14:23 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Re: SW KR Gathering (NO archive) > >At 08:25 PM 1/23/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>Sounds good. Anyone in the NM/AZ area or do you guys mean CA? > >> > >>Ron Lee > >> > > > >I was thinking Ca, but............................??? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > >Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > > Count me in also. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:13:40 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: FLIGHT TRAINING In a message dated 98-01-25 15:15:30 EST, you write: << I believe any CFI can charge for his services in any aircraft. Like I said, he just can't charge rental time on his experimental aircraft. >> Another quick comment, a CFI can charge for his time to provide a bi-annual in my experimental class aircraft, no difference. Lloyd if your offer still stands, e-mail me privately, and Thanks again. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:30:29 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: LangfordKosh I just posted a couple of pictures from LandfordKosh on my web site. Go to the Misc. section, they are the first three. Even though I am close to finishing mine, I came away with a couple of ideas that I can still implement for the better. You guys on the left coast, or in between, get together, you can only get so much from the KRNet, you will definitely go back with more knowledge than you came with. If you guys can bring that left coast thing a little inland and provide for better progs than 1500 ovc., wide spread low level icing and I can get someone to "share" the fuel (I'm not renting my plane here) I'm liable to point the nose that way. For those of you who have not had a chance to see Mark's KR, you need to at least spend some time on his webpage, there is a lot of information there you can use, the best, besides the "original" tail feathers, neat elevator counter balance and so on, is Make Your Turtle Deck Removeable, it will come in handy. Wait until Mark posts the rod end bearing system for tail surfaces that Ken Cornelius came up with, it's one of those KISS things that when you see it you'll think: boy was I a dumbas...... or what. It's neat. Thanks Mark and tell your wife thanks for the Alabama BBQ. And you left coast guys, did you notice on Marks last post, he ended with "Maybe next time..." LangfordKosh IV? Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:01:43 EST From: KMcken7414 Subject: KR: 4 Seater Does anyone know of any 4 seat all wood and fabric aircraft that can be built in 1000 hrs.? Oh, I am looking for plans built, not kits. Any info. would be appreciated. Thanks, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:07:43 -0800 From: darrin Subject: KR: local kr's I am trying to find some local kr's to look at. I think there might be one or two around Albany, Ga. and one in Douglas, Ga. I am located in Thomasville, Ga. and would be thankfull if anyone knows of some local planes. Thanks, Darrin West darrinwest@juno.com kr-1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:12:06 EST From: KMcken7414 Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat Are you guys saying that the GP Alternator is not a good choice? If that is the case, is there another alternative? Thanks Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Progress etc. This was a productive weekend. My friend Dean is a wizard with steel studs ( he did my shop) and we built a KR assembly table 16ft long by 4ft wide in two and a half hours. It took longer to make the run for the stuff. We used four 16ft 2x6 24ga. studs and twelve 10ft 2x4 24ga. studs along with two sheets of 3/4 particle board underlayment and two sheets of 3/8 drywall. Dean uses a gyro lazer in his business and he brought it over to level the table while we built it. I painted it white today. Tomorow (1/26) is my fiftith birthday and I will cut the first of the wood for my "boat". Wish me luck!!! By the way Loyd, I hope your around when I'm ready for a check out. As for the President doing what he does, only in America. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Langfordkosh Dana, I just checked your website for the pics from "Langfordkosh" and I recognized you and Troy Pettaway, but how about introducing the other builders starting from left to right in the first pic? Thanks, its always nice to put a face with a name. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:16:48 EST From: Krwr1 Subject: Re: KR: Need for air expansion holes? Hi I think you better put the holes in each panel. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:21:04 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: SOCALKosh offer - hosted by Frick & Frack At 12:53 PM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >Mike, >There use to be a couple of flying KR's at Corona Airport, do you know >anything about them? > >Dave Moore No but I have met two other KR2 builder/fliers in the last month or so at Chino. I am sure there are more I just spend too much time working on my KR instead of getting to know all my hanger neighbors. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:26:39 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat At 06:12 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >Are you guys saying that the GP Alternator is not a good choice? If that is >the case, is there another alternative? > >Thanks >Keith All of the alternators of this style are the same, they just don't have much poop! Great Plains is as good if not better than any available. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:42:03 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Progress and other stuff Well sports fans! I am not much of a football follower but as any true American,...I love the underdog! Good job BRONCOS!!! Ok on to more important stuff, I just about have all my outer wing spars finished so the hotwired cores should come along sometime in the first or second week of Feb. I started cutting out the aluminum angles for my motor mount beef up. Still shooting for primer sometime in March! Woo Hoo! Over the last few weeks I have met a couple of KR builders that are just down the taxi-way from me. Both guys have built really nice KRs and I am in the process of adding some pictures to my web site. Larry Rhea built what looks like a bone stock KR2 with retracts. Very nice looking bird, Larry has installed a 1835cc VW built up with parts from Great Planes. He is in the process of high speed taxiing right now and I managed to snap a picture or two of him today Bruce Marteney built a KR2 with Diehl main gear and stock RR tailwheel setup. Bruce got air born on his first or second high speed taxi session and the landing was not what he calls perfect! Anyway after a slight ground loop and some other minor damage Bruce decided to move the tailwheel to the nose and he has been happy ever since! Bruce has about 5 hours left until his 40 restriction is flown off. So far he sees a cruise of about 145 mph. He is running a Revmaster 2100 with a Sterba prop. Ground handling is "C-150 like" with the nose wheel. Bruce has an interesting paint job that I really cant describe, you will have to wait and see the pictures on the site! :o) (it looks like a purple and white tiger) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:24:58 -0800 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: (no subject) Remember Lloyd, "No good deed goes unpunished!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:06:21 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: SOCALKosh offer - hosted by Frick & Frack In a message dated 98-01-25 15:43:59 EST, David wrote: << Hey Randy, Mike: Lets not keep this leftist sided (?) fly-in a secret, if everyone on the left coast would like to get together and talk about KR's or aircraft in general lets do it. >> Frick here: Ontairo is not too far away, we could set up a car-pool if needed. And of course anyone who likes airplanes is welcome to join up. The more the merrier. Every attendee would get a chance to drool over Brad Hale's OSH trophy winning DFly too (Mikies hangermate). 8 folks so far. I'm keep track... Randy (AKA Frick) BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:06:18 EST From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR:SW KR Gathering In a message dated 98-01-24 04:15:25 EST, Tom wrote: << If it were in CA we could all invade Mims place and see first hand what he's been putting out on his web site. So, how about it guys? Us left coasters can't let the southern guys have all the fun. >> Invade - did you say INVADE???!!! I thought I already volunteered Mike to host this event. Randy (Frick) Stein BSHADR@ao.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:21:24 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Krs @ Chino Ok krnutts, go to: http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/krchino.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:26:10 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR:SW KR Gathering BSHADR wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-24 04:15:25 EST, Tom wrote: > > << If it were in CA we could all invade Mims place and see first hand > what he's been putting out on his web site. So, how about it guys? Us left > coasters can't let the southern guys have all the fun. >> > > Invade - did you say INVADE???!!! I thought I already volunteered Mike to > host this event. > > Randy (Frick) Stein > BSHADR@ao.com > Soviet Monica, CA I would probably want to come depending on timing. I will be out of country for 1st half of March. Doug Dorfmeier Concord, Ca. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:55:19 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: Alternative alternators (formerly Cabin heat) >>The Great Plains alternator puts out about 20 amps at 3600 RPM. It puts out >significantly less at lower RPM's. >> >>Tom Crawford > >Your right! That was the topic of discussion yesterday at the hanger, at a >normal cruise setting none of the four VW flyers said they could run all the >gizmos in their aircraft without the battery draining. > >Gizmos= Strobes, Nav lights, radios and electric boost pumps. >>Are you guys saying that the GP Alternator is not a good choice? If that is >>the case, is there another alternative? >> >>Thanks >>Keith > >All of the alternators of this style are the same, they just don't have much >poop! Great Plains is as good if not better than any available. But we really don't need to use just alternators of this style. You could easily modify the alternative engine installation on page 99 of the manual to run another alternator that way, with the alternator on the belt drive instead of the magneto. Then since the alternator would not be not direct drive, you could adjust the pulley sizes for best power at cruise (with some kind of regulator to keep it from putting out excess power at full throttle). The problem with this is that it would need an alternator with its own case and bearings, which rules out the early motorcycle alternator or Great Plains alternator that go on the crankshaft. Does anyone know about bike, tractor, small car, etc., alternators that could do this? A recent post discussed replacing the HAPI alternator with one from a car, but how would you know which cars had nice little alternators without being in the auto-repair business? (or do we have anyone here who IS in the auto repair business?) Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:51:57 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: EA81 Engine/cowling Wayland T. Stokes wrote: > > Oscar > Les Foster in Dallas had an ad on one of the Bboards for an engine > mount for an EA81 engine. That is what he flies in his KR2. If > interested I could probally find it again. > Tom in Reno NV > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:33:58 PST "Oscar Zuniga" > writes: > >Douglas wrote: > >>Does anyone have any information or suggestions for engine mounting > >the > >>EA81 engine? > >> > >>Also can the standard KR2 cowling be used or adapted to fit over the > >>EA81 engine? > >> > > > >Hi, Douglas > > > >I'm planning the EA-81 in the KR-2S, but haven't found a pre-designed > >ready to use mount. Ross Aero says that they have built up one of > >these > >combos, but they are one-offs; they don't stock anything. Stratus can > > > >make one, or may have one, which uses the "bed type" mounts under the > >heads, bolting to a conventional 4-point mount like you would use for > >other engines. The problem is that you don't want the heavier EA-81 > >hanging out as far as a lighter engine would, so you need to keep it > >close to the firewall if possible. That almost means a custom mount. > > > >The short answer is, if you can weld or know somebody who can, you'll > >probably need to make your own. I've heard that the Soob can be > >mounted > >with the prop shaft centerline right on the 'stock' centerline (top of > > > >longerons); that's with a PSRU. I don't know where the thrust line > >should be with the direct-drive setup. [Mims- have you looked at this > > > >for the direct drive turbo?] > > > >Regarding the cowling- I am trying to do some 3-views on AutoCAD with > >this setup, but don't have any accurate cowling dimensions. I may go > >over to Paul Martin's and measure his cowling (Rand-Robinson premold) > >so > >I can draw it up in CAD and monkey with it. If so, I'll post here and > > > >make the .DWG available to anybody who's interested. > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Oscar, I would really be interested in seeing what you come up with for a cowling mod for the EA81. Reiner at Stratus says that what is needed is a modification to the standard RR Cowling that would resemble a sharks mouth; the mouth being an opening for air to flow past the oil pan. The oil pan depth is also what necessitates making the bottom of the cowling slightly deeper. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #24 ****************************