From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:22 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #26 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 026 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:41:56 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Alternative alternators At 20:48 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: ... >Go to the AirSig drop box and poke around a bit. You'll find a section that >has a list of alternators, part numbers, weights, etc. Pretty good info and >it is very current. > > AirSIG DropBox: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/ > Sure enough - this site associated with the Soob list mentions: the N-D small 7 lb 1 oz 50 A and the mini 6 lb 40 A >Randy Stein brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 20:17:03 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Cabin Heat Another way of heating your cabin is to use the oil cooler (assuming you = use one). The Velocity uses this in a duct from the outside with a fiber= glass box and a diverter valve (flapper) to direct warm air into the cabi= n air vents. When not needed, just divert warm air overboard. This has = the dual purpose of helping to keep the engine cooler and maybe just last= a little longer. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:21:28 -0600 (CST) From: Shane & Lynn Subject: Re: Re(2): KR: Cabin heat >At 01:33 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Also, I think it would be worth while to think long and hard about >>the heater core placement.>>. > >Yea during the debate in the sooblist I suggested installing the whole thing >in front of the firewall and just duct air through it, why bother plumbing >all that stuff inside the cockpit? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Oh my,... its 1998! > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Sorry guys Im a little slow at getting back to you.I just started the EA81 for the first time and I didn't get to run it as long as I would have liked.The engine was set up buy Formula Power and uses an Airflow Performance fuel injection.Yes the RR cowling for the 0200 fit rather well with the use of a Ross reduction drive.N-number is 911SK I kind of like the 911.I live just north of MSN if anyone is interested drop me a line at 1 608 846 2370 thank you Shane King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 20:17:03 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Cabin Heat Another way of heating your cabin is to use the oil cooler (assuming you = use one). The Velocity uses this in a duct from the outside with a fiber= glass box and a diverter valve (flapper) to direct warm air into the cabi= n air vents. When not needed, just divert warm air overboard. This has = the dual purpose of helping to keep the engine cooler and maybe just last= a little longer. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 20:17:03 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Cabin Heat Another way of heating your cabin is to use the oil cooler (assuming you = use one). The Velocity uses this in a duct from the outside with a fiber= glass box and a diverter valve (flapper) to direct warm air into the cabi= n air vents. When not needed, just divert warm air overboard. This has = the dual purpose of helping to keep the engine cooler and maybe just last= a little longer. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 20:17:03 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Cabin Heat Another way of heating your cabin is to use the oil cooler (assuming you = use one). The Velocity uses this in a duct from the outside with a fiber= glass box and a diverter valve (flapper) to direct warm air into the cabi= n air vents. When not needed, just divert warm air overboard. This has = the dual purpose of helping to keep the engine cooler and maybe just last= a little longer. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:26:07 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Aileron Bell Crank Question Drawing no. 59 in the manual, page 64, shows a side view of the Aileron Bell Crank Assembly with the bottom bracket and nut outside the bottom surface of the wing. I have built the assemblies according to plan and experimented with various configurations of the brackets in order to use a shorter bolt and get the entire assembly inside the wing (see note 9.8 on page 62.) With a modified lower bracket, long leg turned up and a shortened leg that attaches to the WAF, in combination with a modified upper bracket with a lengthened leg that attaches to the other WAF, I can use an AN3-21 or 22 bolt and get the entire assembly inside the wing. The bell crank remains in the same position, but the clearance between the bell crank and brackets is reduced. I have put a sketch of this at www.datasync.com/~itac/ailbell.jpg The question is, will the aileron pushrod contact the bell crank or lower bracket before the aileron up/down limits are reached. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:07:58 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!! Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > > WHAT WAS I THINKING!!!!!!!????? > > My Sincerest Apology to all those appropriated rated Pilots who I must > have offended > Lloyd Wow, I hope that wasn't my fault. I wasn't even sure, I was just asking if it's OK. If so Lloyd, I offer my apology. I think it would be a shame NOT to provide that service. I know when the time comes I'll be seeking out some KR dual time and would prefer a CFI if available. I'd gladly pay him/her whatever they wanted and split the gas too! - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:33:03 +1300 From: "David Stuart" Subject: KR: Airsig Help. Cant get through to ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/drop/box Comes back (the server returned extended information) What does it mean. What am I doing wrong Expertise Please David...... David.Stuart@xtra.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:16:19 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: 1998 KR Gathering PLEASE SEND ALL RESPONSES TO THIS EMAIL TO EAGLEGATOR@AOL.COM WITH THE SUBJECT "1998 KR GATHERING" I just talked with Don Betchan, the 1998 KR Gathering coordinator, about planning for this years gathering. I volunteered to be Don’s electronic "front man" as he doesn’t do computers, so please send me your ideas and suggestions and I’ll compile them and then work with Don to build an agenda Right now he is wide open for suggestions, but offered the following general ideas. This year’s gathering will be centered on people, airplanes, and flying. Don suggested having two seminars, one Saturday morning and one Saturday afternoon, with the rest of the event spent getting to know the people and the airplanes. If there is interest in having more seminars, we can work that, but the idea is to keep airplanes flying and people talking and having a good time. Sounds good to me. Here’s what I need from KRNetdom. What kind of seminars would you like to see at the gathering? Folks who were there last year, let me know what you liked and what you didn't like, or maybe what you liked best. For those who weren’t there last year, here are some of the topics covered (from memory): Composite Wet Layup Techniques Woodworking tools/techniques VW Engine work Antenna Construction/Installation Aircraft Painting/Finishing Flight Testing/KR Flying Characteristics I’m sure I’ve forgotten some, someone please fill in what I missed. If there is a seminar that you would like to conduct on any subject, let me know about that too. Any ideas on how things could be done differently that will increase everyone’s enjoyment of the event, safety, better/more beer drinking, etc are MORE than welcome. Once Don reviews the info we send him and drafts his agenda, he’ll let me know what is needed and I’ll post the agenda and let y’all know how you can help. If we follow his lead, I’m sure we’ll have a great event for everyone. Oh, by the way, the 1998 KR Gathering will be at Perry, Oklahoma, September 18-20. The Best Western Cherokee Strip (405)336-2218, will most likely be the residence of choice again. More info to follow as it becomes available! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:54:22 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: Re: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison In a message dated 98-01-26 22:26:18 EST, you write: << Anybody know the going price for Diehl skins? I'm interested if anyone has seen them. -Tom in Orlando >> Tom, I bought mine for $1200 Feb '96. I heard a few months ago they were $1500. I had been expecting to pay $900 for them but that was 2 years prior to buying them when I did. I really like the looks of them but haven't put them on yet. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:08:38 -0600 From: "Randy Stout" Subject: KR: Deihl Wing Skins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2AA6.F468F9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Anybody know the going price for Diehl skins? I'm interested if anyone >has seen them. >-Tom in Orlando As of 4-1-97 they cost $1500 + $50 for crating Randy Stout - San Antonio TX r5t0ut@flash.net - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2AA6.F468F9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Anybody know the going price for Diehl skins?  I'm = interested if=20 anyone
>has seen them.
>-Tom in Orlando
 
As of 4-1-97 they cost $1500 + $50 for crating

 
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Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:29:05 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat In a message dated 98-01-26 12:49:18 EST, you write: >All this talk about alternators got me a little off track, I agree we would >all benefit from a better alternator system for the little VWs but I don't >really think electric heat is the way to go in a airplane when you have >plenty of hot exhaust and or water to do the job. If using hot water I >think the shut valve may be a good idea, making them remote via pull cable >would be the "hot" setup. But once again we could be over engineering here, >like Oscar said how many cars explode on a daily basis due to bad heater >cores or leaky hoses? Did you say that Oscar or was it a dream? I plan to >build a heat muff, if its good enough for Cessna and Piper its good enough >for me! Just for the record, my post on electric heating was talking about using it as SUPPLEMENTARY heat for unusual cold. Such a gizmo would be particularly nice for windshield defrosting, if that's necessary in KR's, and it could be added easily after the plane was built (unlike a secondary outlet to the windshield from the heat muff). Also, an electric heater could warm the cabin while you're preheating the engine in the wintertime (and you could hook up the car battery, so current wouldn't be a problem). I plan to have a conventional heat setup and add a small electric heater if localized heat or defrosting becomes necessary. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:32 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: CHINOKosh BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > Leftcoasters (and anyone who has had enough cold weather elsewhere): > > OK, the date has been cast, Frack and I agree that 2/28/98 is the bash date, > at Chino - Frack’s hanger. We will try to have at least two completed KR’s > (maybe more) attend. Don’t expect any rides, since the KR’s who we hope will > attend are newbees and may not feel comfortable giving rides just yet. Better > not to ask. I also will contact a couple other KR drivers in CA and see if > they are able to drop in. Chino is far enough inland, that the weather should > be pretty good. > > Frack will be sure to invite RR for lunch with us. Southwest Airlines has > deals on flights right now, so you may want to book one into Ontario CA (ONT). > Let us know ahead and we’ll figure transportation or rental car pool if more > than a couple arrive there on the 2/28/98. > > As of today, potential attendees are: > > phudson@iwvisp.com (Peter Hudson) > tomstokes1@juno.com (Wayland T. Stokes) > jesch@cyberis.net (John F. Esch) > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net (John Bouyea) > turnkey1@mscomm.com (David Moore) > tanderso@inreach.com (Tim Anderson) > doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net (Douglas Dorfmeier) > > I suspect we can get Mr. Wit, Rob Covington, to show up too. > > All others are also welcome. If noth’in else, I can assure you it will be a > day full of humor and good KR lies. Heck, Mike will even let all of you folks > practice your sanding, and sanding, and sanding…well you get the idea… > > Sorry if this is too far off topic. Flame me (or Mike) and we’ll keep it off > KRNet. Now go "talk amongst yourselves" while I send Frack out to clean up > the hanger... > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com (Frick) > > Mike Mims > mikemims@pacbell.net (Frack) It looks like I won't be able to make CHINOKosh. I leave for Asia on 2/27. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:37:59 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: KR: [Fwd: DFLY: Fw: WARNING - new virus] Received: from interstice.com ([209.50.32.201]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980126195248.QMA22461@interstice.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:52:48 +0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by interstice.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id LAA17136 for dragonlist-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: interstice.com: majordom set sender to owner-dragonlist using -f Received: from mailfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by interstice.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17127 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id AA24340 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dragonlist@interstice.com); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:45:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199801261945.AA24340@mailfw1.ford.com> Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:45:54 -0500 X-Sender: kb4218@wm0001.pto.ford.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dragonlist@interstice.com From: Kris Browne Subject: DFLY: Fw: WARNING - new virus Sender: owner-dragonlist@interstice.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dragonlist@interstice.com Guys: the following is FYI if you haven't seen it yet. > Subject: WARNING - new virus > Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 1:22 PM > > > Just passing along this dire warning... > > > > > If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > > open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. > > > Forward this email out to as many people as you can. > > > This is a new, very malicious virus >and not many > > > people know about it. This information was announced > > > >>>> yesterday morning from IBM; please share it with > > > everyone that might access the internet. > > > > > > Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address > > > book so that this may be stopped. Also, do not open or > > > >>>>even look at any mail that says "RETURNED > > > OR UNABLE TO DELIVERY" This >>>>virus will attach > > > itself to your computer components and render them > > > >>>>useless. Immediately delete any mail items that say > > > this. AOL has >>>>said that this is a very dangerous > > > virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > > > > > Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to > > > all your online friends ASAP. L.K.(Kris) Browne,P.Eng. Manufacturing/Controls Engineer V8/V10 Crankshaft Team Ford Motor Co.of Canada, Windsor Engine Plant, 4.6L,5.4L,6.8L Truck Modular Engine Program(TMEP) E-mail kb4218@wm0001.pto.ford.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dragonlist is hosted courtesy of Interstice Inc., a provider of reasonably priced virtual domain hosting for the world, and dedicated circuit and dialup for Silicon Valley. http://www.interstice.com (408) 369-4490 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:15:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Bell Crank Question At 10:26 PM 1/26/98, you wrote: >Drawing no. 59 in the manual, page 64, shows a side view of the Aileron Bell Crank Assembly with the bottom bracket and nut outside the bottom surface of the wing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I played with this for a while until deciding to build it with about .5 inches or so hanging out the bottom, I will make a nice cover for it. My concern was the clearance for the cross over cable attached to the bellcrank. There were warnings in the early newsletters about binding and rubbing in that area. Anyway I built it so I had at least 3/4 inch clearance between the belcrank to the lower bracket. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:20:59 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Airsig At 05:33 PM 1/27/98 +1300, you wrote: >Help. >Cant get through to ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/drop/box >Comes back (the server returned extended information) >What does it mean. >What am I doing wrong > >Expertise Please David dude!! Its case sensitive man, case sensitive!! :o) Try: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/ exactly as it appears below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:59:48 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: Re: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison JEHayward wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-26 22:26:18 EST, you write: > > << Anybody know the going price for Diehl skins? I'm interested if anyone > has seen them. > -Tom in Orlando >> > > Tom, I bought mine for $1200 Feb '96. I heard a few months ago they were > $1500. I had been expecting to pay $900 for them but that was 2 years prior > to buying them when I did. I really like the looks of them but haven't put > them > on yet. > > Jim Hayward I was planning on using the RR Skins, but they are considerably more. Does someone have a contact for the Diehl skins? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:34:11 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Survival (NO archive) Mike Sharkey wrote: >Anyway, the moral, I guess is that's it's always a good idea to pack the >approprate gear should your plane go down in an unpopulated area and mabey have >to spend a few days in the elements. > Let's see: where the SoCal guys are, that would be a bikini, some Coppertone, and something real, real cold in case they have a forced landing on the sand in Baja. That's about all you could fit behind your head in the "luggage" area in the KR anyway (unless you have a stash dash like Mark Langford) ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:42:04 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Cabin heat Mike Mims wrote: >Yea during the debate in the sooblist I suggested installing the whole thing >in front of the firewall and just duct air through it, why bother plumbing >all that stuff inside the cockpit? Cuz what you're trying to heat is on THIS side of the firewall. Why punch holes in the 'wall and duct the air in and out? Easier to run small heater hoses in and out, IMHO. Or stay in Florida. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: DFLY: Fw: WARNING - new virus] - baloney! Good grief... another round of the bogus virus warnings. This is the same nonsense that goes around at least twice a year. Ignore it. [snip]================================================================ >To: dragonlist@interstice.com >From: Kris Browne >Subject: DFLY: Fw: WARNING - new virus >Sender: owner-dragonlist@interstice.com >Reply-To: dragonlist@interstice.com > >Guys: the following is FYI if you haven't seen it yet. > >> Subject: WARNING - new virus >> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 1:22 PM >> >> > Just passing along this dire warning... >> > >> > > If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT >> > > open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. ====================================================================== Ed Newbold Senior Programmer/Analyst Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:31 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Airsig You don't need expertise, you need reading glasses. Try again. See the URL below. Brian At 17:33 1/27/98 +1300, you wrote: >Help. >Cant get through to ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/drop/box >Comes back (the server returned extended information) >What does it mean. >What am I doing wrong > >Expertise Please > David...... > David.Stuart@xtra.co.nz > > >Go to the AirSig drop box and poke around a bit. You'll find a section that >has a list of alternators, part numbers, weights, etc. Pretty good info and >it is very current. > > AirSIG DropBox: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/ > Sure enough - this site associated with the Soob list mentions: the N-D small 7 lb 1 oz 50 A and the mini 6 lb 40 A brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:51:38 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: DFLY: Fw: WARNING - new virus] Yes there WAS an immediate explanation that this joke is strictly for newbies. Unfortunately, Douglas panicked before reading the responses... Brian At 21:37 1/26/98 -0800, Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: >Guys: the following is FYI if you haven't seen it yet. > >> Subject: WARNING - new virus >> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 1:22 PM >> >> > Just passing along this dire warning... >> > >> > > If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT >> > > open it. brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:02:34 -0500 From: "Robert M. Simon" Subject: KR: un-subscribe I am still on the distribution list for the KR digest. Although it's been very informative, I have chosen another project - a Stoddard-Hamilton GlaStar. Please remove my address from your list. Thanks! Robert Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:09:36 EST From: KMcken7414 Subject: Re: KR: Re: Spruce price increases Spruce is the standard, but according to the FAA in a circular that I have, there are substitutes which are available at your local lumber yard. Here are a few. Douglas Fir (this is what I used) it exceeds the strength of spruce in shear and compression Western Hemlock Northern White Pine Poplar These are a few. Remember you must be able to count 6 growth rings per inch and no more than a 15:1 divergence. Any questions, just email me direct and I will send you a copy of the circular. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:54:50 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Spruce price increases You can fax it to 603-694-0924 Rich Parker - ---------- > From: KMcken7414 > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Re: Spruce price increases > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 8:09 AM > > Spruce is the standard, but according to the FAA in a circular that I have, > there are substitutes which are available at your local lumber yard. Here are > a few. > > Douglas Fir (this is what I used) it exceeds the strength of spruce in shear > and compression > > Western Hemlock > Northern White Pine > Poplar > > These are a few. Remember you must be able to count 6 growth rings per inch > and no more than a 15:1 divergence. > Any questions, just email me direct and I will send you a copy of the > circular. > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:06:22 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: The spruce horse Keith wrote: >Spruce is the standard, but according to the FAA in a circular that I have, >there are substitutes which are available at your local lumber yard. Here are >a few. > >Douglas Fir (this is what I used) it exceeds the strength of spruce in shear >and compression > >Western Hemlock >Northern White Pine >Poplar > >These are a few. Yes, and so is California Red Fir, which has all of the strength but none of the extra weight. (Less calories/more filling?) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:32:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: The spruce horse At 07:06 AM 1/27/98 PST, you wrote: >Yes, and so is California Red Fir, which has all of the strength but >none of the extra weight. (Less calories/more filling?) > Its a California thing Oscar! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:10:01 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Brake System. That top shelf brake system picture is also on my Misc. page, it's the fourth one down. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:41:55 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Re: stock KR2 and Deihl wing comparison I have a flier from Dan Deihl, his price as of April '97 is $1500.00 USD for the wing skins. Tail dragger main gear $485.00 USD Tri-main gear $485.00 USD Nose gear $485.00 USD It might be a good idea to call Dan at 918-299-4445. Diehl Aero-Nautical 1855 North Elm Jenks, Okla. 74037 Dave Moore At 09:17 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >> I have a pamphlet from Diehl Aero-Nautical. He says they're vacuum >> bag molded with 1/4" "Last-A-Foam" cores. The skins are 6 oz. 7533 >> bi-directional cloth. An extra layer of cloth is added where the skins >> are bonded to the spars. >> >> The skins are longer then the stock wings at 23' 6"and apparently can >> be used on both the KR-2 and -2S with only a slight modification to >> the spars. >> >> >> Randy Stout - San Antonio TX >> r5t0ut@flash.net > >Anybody know the going price for Diehl skins? I'm interested if anyone >has seen them. >-Tom in Orlando > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:21:21 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: V-tail 2 (?) I would be willing to design a linkage system for a v-tail 2 if someone else will do the aerodynamics ( Size and Angle) Ron kr2 Builder at Fort Myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:58:21 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: V-tail KR2 At 10:26 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: >I would be willing to design a linkage system for a v-tail 2 if someone else >will do the aerodynamics ( Size and Angle) > >Ron > > hmmm...nobody else wanted to rush in with ideas here. I read somewhere that the hoped for wetted surface savings from v-tails really don't materialize, so maybe you could conservatively measure the length of the vertical and horizontal tail, add them together and divide by two for the length of each half of the vee, then arrange the vee at a sensible angle. Maybe one that puts the ends about 2/3 of the way up the old vertical tail, or more. Brian Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:15:52 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Tim's post- again? (No archive) Is everybody else getting Tim's post re: cabin heat time and time again, or is there an echo in here? (No offense meant, Tim; just wondering if the needle is stuck on Teleport's record) Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tim's post- again? and again and again At 05:15 PM 1/27/98 PST, you wrote: > >Is everybody else getting Tim's post re: cabin heat time and time again, >or is there an echo in here? (No offense meant, Tim; just wondering if >the needle is stuck on Teleport's record) > >Oscar Yes sir we are seeing triple and quadruple out here on the left coast too! That's the southern left anyway!. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:53:59 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: Nose roller sale maybe delayed. One of our members advises that the Deihl Nosewheel set that I have may not be suitable because the gear leg is fiberglass. I'll research this issue and advise. In the interim, I will not sell the package. Ron Freiberger KR2S On the Gear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:51:06 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: HAPI rudder pedals needed My project had two rudder pedals with "HAPI" cast into them. I would REALLY like to buy two more. Can anyone help? Ron Freiberger KR2S On the gear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:31:00 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: HAPI rudder pedals needed At 09:51 PM 1/27/98 EST, you wrote: >My project had two rudder pedals with "HAPI" cast into them. I would REALLY >like to buy two more. Can anyone help? > >Ron Freiberger KR2S On the gear > Try Viking Aircraft. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:35:24 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Nose roller sale maybe delayed. In a message dated 98-01-27 22:14:05 EST, you write: << One of our members advises that the Deihl Nosewheel set that I have may not be suitable because the gear leg is fiberglass. I'll research this issue and advise. In the interim, I will not sell the package. Ron Freiberger >> Ron, I believe if you call Dan, he will have you send the glass one to him and he will replace it with one of his new ones. I know he has done this in the past, but don't know for sure if he still does. It's worth a shot. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:55:12 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: LandfordKosh-Web Page. Ok guys, I've added names to the faces of "the gang" at Mark's place during LangfordKosh last weekend. Once again you can get to this by going to the Misc. page on my web site, it will be the first picture. For all of you who have top shelf rudder pedals, I've also added a picture of a top shelf system that was salvaged off a crashed KR in Memphis. I tried to buy these plus the engine from the guy while at a aerobatic competition two years ago this May, but the new owner wanted an arm and a leg for everything. Troy ended up stealing the shabang a couple months ago and ended up with splits heads, ellison carb and a bunch of other goodies plus a bon fire with the fus. If you're looking for a way to put brakes on the top shelf, this is it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:37:24 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat At 03:42 AM 1/27/98 PST, you wrote: >Cuz what you're trying to heat is on THIS side of the firewall. Why >punch holes in the 'wall and duct the air in and out? Easier to run >small heater hoses in and out, IMHO. Or stay in Florida. > Well then thar you have it, I would rather duct hot air in to the cabin instead of hot water so we are once again stuck on a preference! (SOAP) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:53:08 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: alternators (was Cabin heat) Mike Sharkey wrote: > > With these alternators, though, isn't the output drop at lower RPMs a product > of the alternator drive ratio? I mean, it seems it would be possible to drive > it a little faster with a different ratio so you could run all your gizmos > without sacrificing your battery charge. Or is there a mechanical limitation > somehow with the VW setup? Or are we trying to save a couple of horse power by > under driving the alternator? > Mike, I think that the alternator output is limited by the number of windings and the electrical field generated then by the RPM. Generators outupt is more dependant on RPM than Alternators if I recall, but there is some relationship between RPM and outupt. The Great Plains alternator is actually a motorcycle alternator so it is not designed for as much load as an automobile alternator. It might be interesting to see if a Honda GOLDWING alternator would have a similar geometry to the smaller alternator in use today. Or it might be possible to mount the ND alternator smilarly, but you would have to do some machine work.. a pully arrangement might be better, but the design and fabrication of this is mor than I want to deal with at the moment... if I need 50A of current, I will get a Subarau engine, and use water heat as well. --Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:57:23 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Fuel System help wanted RFreibe131@aol.com wrote: > > I'm putting my fuel system tanks together, and need a repeat of information I > saw recently on Capacitance type fuel gauges. Also, are there any good > electric fuel pumps to use other than FACET? Carburetors, but not POSA > recommmendations would be appreciated. > I think that the FACET pumps available through Aircraft Spruce are a pretty good value. I did some local checks at auto supply houses and they wanted more $$$ than for the $26-28$ FACET pumps and it was the SAME pump. Granted the place I went wasn't noted for it's great prices. RE Carbs... Great Planes sells some float carbs that might be pretty good. Someone posted a year ago that a Model-A carb is a good option, the source and supplier should be in the KRNET archives someplace... I'm using an Ellison, but they are (to use a Corvallis term) Spendy. $700 -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:17 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Bell Crank Question Austin, I reversed the brackets to get more of the assembly to fit inside the wing. I have not installed the pushrods/ailerons just yet. I have a few minor issues to complete before I do another wing-mate and try this out. I will take a close look at what my aileron travel looks like... don't want an OOPS! -- Ross Austin Clark wrote: > > Drawing no. 59 in the manual, page 64, shows a side view of the Aileron > Bell Crank Assembly with the bottom bracket and nut outside the bottom > surface of the wing. I have built the assemblies according to plan and > experimented with various configurations of the brackets in order to use a > shorter bolt and get the entire assembly inside the wing (see note 9.8 on > page 62.) With a modified lower bracket, long leg turned up and a > shortened leg that attaches to the WAF, in combination with a modified > upper bracket with a lengthened leg that attaches to the other WAF, I can > use an AN3-21 or 22 bolt and get the entire assembly inside the wing. The > bell crank remains in the same position, but the clearance between the bell > crank and brackets is reduced. > I have put a sketch of this at > > www.datasync.com/~itac/ailbell.jpg > > The question is, will the aileron pushrod contact the bell crank or lower > bracket before the aileron up/down limits are reached. > > > Austin Clark > Pascagoula, MS > http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 21:16:26 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Tim's post- again? and again and again - ---------- > At 05:15 PM 1/27/98 PST, you wrote: > > > >Is everybody else getting Tim's post re: cabin heat time and time agai= n, > >or is there an echo in here? (No offense meant, Tim; just wondering = if > >the needle is stuck on Teleport's record) > > > >Oscar > > Yes sir we are seeing triple and quadruple out here on the left coast = too! > That's the southern left anyway!. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Oh My,.......Its 1998!! > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > Sorry about that! I have that Microsoft wonder and kept getting an error= message "Spooler Transmit Error" when I sent an E-Mail. I had no idea = that the message was actually sent. Upon further review, it seems this = will occur then a new message is assigned the same file name as one previ= ously sent and residing in the sent folder. Don't know WHY Explorer does= this...yet! Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #26 ****************************