From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 1998 6:29 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #34 krnet-l-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 034 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:34:02 -0600 From: "A.Doherty" Subject: Re: KR: noise filters ross thanks for the info...I'll keep working on it. Al Ross Youngblood wrote: > First, you need to know if the noise is RF noise (picked up by the antenna) > or power > supply noise. If you can run the A22 on batteries, with the engine running > then you are > probably dealing with alternator or engine noise being broadcast to your > radio. You > need to work on shielding your ignition and or the power coming from the > alternator. > > You can use shielded wiring from your alternator, or if like me this is too > late, you can > get shielding in different diameters from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks and put > this over > the line. I would get some heat shrink tubing to dress up the ends, so they > don't > fray etc. > > If you are dealing with power supply noise, you can put a capicator filter > on the line. Radio shack sells special "filters", but you can get away with > just about any type > of capacitor as long as the voltage rating is high enough (in the case of > electrolitics/ > tantilums). I would make sure that the capicator is on the other side of a > fuse as > occasionally capacitors will short out, and cause problems after a few > years. Tantilums > make great filter caps, but they also make nice flames when they short out. > > I would probably look at a 30uF to 500uF capicator if you think you are > having problems > on the DC line. They are cheap (less than $2.00), so if they don't work you > haven't > spent the big bucks. > > -- Regards > Ross > A.Doherty wrote: > > > Hi folks > > I just purchased an Icomm A22 and am using a dc adapter in a cigarette > > socket for power, but there's quit a bit of engine noise. > > Can anyone fill me in on noise filters.....how to install...... where to > > get..... etc???? > > Thanks > > AL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:48:44 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: NLF Visionary Fund Contributors Here is the current list of contributors as of 2-6-98 If I have missed anyone please let me know. name email - ---- ----- Brian Bland bbland@busprod.com Bruce Campbell bmsi@ix.netcom.com Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Richard Junkin eaglegator@aol.com Rex Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com John Esch jesch@cyberis.net Ken Cornelius kencor@cneti.com Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net Pat Flowers patri63@ibm.net Richard Mole R.H.Mole@open.ac.uk Ron Lee ronlee@pcisys.net Ross Youngblood rossy@teleport.com Oscar Zuniga taildrags@hotmail.com Troy Johnson tjohnson@wyle.com Alan Moat Ed Larson Robert Moreland Tim Schuy G.M. Lee Troy Petteway I need email addresses for the last 6 members of the list, if any one can help me out I would appreciate it. Please respond direstly to me off net. Thanks, Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: NLF The new wing is in my plan too, but I'm looking forward to Steves test results before the wood is cut. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:10:35 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: VW article VW netters, Several pages of discussion on the use of the VW conversion can be found in the latest EAA publication "Experimenter". Some good reading. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:57:18 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Articles >The key word in your sentence above is "reported" I am sharing with you >what I have seen with my own eyes, we have guys who are having a success >rate that's just a bit better than a 2 stroke! After one guy retrieved his >Dragonfly from the middle of the highway he pulled his 2180 and threw it >right in the dumpster at the end of the hanger. My hanger mate has his top >end off again due to low compression on one cylinder. Its frustrating man >very frustrating! It could be the weather here in southern California, we >have the opportunity to fly about 200 hours a year and the OATs are in the >90s for the most part. I am seriously beginning to think the guys who have >the best luck with VWs only fly 50 hours or less a year. If anyone happens to have retrieved that 2180 from that dumpster, let me know, so I can buy it and rebuild it right. From what I've seen in Newsletters, the unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners that get tricked up with hot-rod parts, and boys in SoCal may be the most likely to get carried away with that kind of thing. . . . Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:57:22 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mike start building- no archive >>>You really need to start build a KR dude! >> >>Sure do! Find me a place to build it and I'll start! >> >>Mike T > >Here's a hint from a long-time married pilot/dreamer: You find yourself >a nice girl who is a doctor or who has plenty money and a place with a >_big_ garage. It is even better if she is also a pilot. You will not >find these at the corner sports pub... ;o) I'll take the garage and pass on the girl (although I recently spoke to two women on e-mail that might have garages to rent for my "woodworking project." I want to meet them and convince them I'm not nuts before I tell them what the "project" is). The real problem is where I live -- even extremely rich people in Manhattan don't necessarily have garages or even cars, since you don't really need one here. In Brooklyn, Queens, New Jersey, etc., where they would have garages, I'd be an hour or two from my house, and I think this would make it hard to work regularly. I think it would be possible to build at least the boat in my apartment, but then what would I do with it until I found a garage? Sort of makes me wish I lived in a less urban area. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 22:32:04 EST From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Articles Geez, If you guys would just show the pictures we wouldn't need to wait for the Pony E. Ed Larsen Ypsi, Mi ECLarsen81@aol.com In a message dated 98-02-06 00:34:41 EST, you write: << > OK. I'm getting tired of reading about this article. I want to read it myself. Maybe the Pony Express will finally get Kitplanes to Oklahoma in a few more weeks *sigh*...... Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 19:34:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Articles At 02:57 PM 2/6/98 EST, you wrote: From what I've seen in Newsletters, the >unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners that get tricked up with hot-rod parts, and boys in SoCal may be the most likely to get carried away with that kind of thing. . . . > >Mike Taglieri > > Nah these are Revmaster, HAPI Magnums and other popular VW based aero components and all machine work done by RIMCO. The guys we are talking about have the money to do it right and it still isn't working, three of them practically gave the VW powered airplanes away and are now flying and or building RVs with certified Lycs. I thought at first much like you,... heck I have built an engine or two I can build one that will last! But now I have given up on that idea for certain. I am not saying it cant be done, it just cant be done at my airport! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 22:54:42 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Private airstrip requirements Please excuse the non-building topic, but do any of you know where I can find information on the web about getting a site approved for a private airstrip? The short story is I'm looking at buying some land to build a retirement home on and want to start with the runway and hangar (my wife's idea, can you believe it??!!). I want to get an idea of what I'm up against before I start making any financial commitments on land. If necessary, I could put in a 3000' "driveway", but I'd like to try the legal approval route first, if it isn't to excrutiatingly painful. Thanks for your help, and please reply directly to eaglegator@aol.com. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 04:22:28 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Articles On Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:22:09 -0800, you wrote: >I just wish someone would install a DD Turbo Subaru in a KR so these = redrive >guys will see the light! > >You really need to start build a KR dude! :o) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now > Don't worry! My KR WILL have a DD Turbo Subaru! Just give me a little time will ya! :) Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:46:50 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: KR: Engines and Props The first part of my KR2S kit arrives next week and I am really looking forward to getting started. I would like to hear as many opinions as possible on engines and props. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:42:38 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes, please stop! In a message dated 98-02-06 09:59:15 EST, you write: << Hey, stop!! Thank you all! The response to my request have been overwhelming. You are really fast and friendly group, and Oscar Zuniga, he's the fastest. Many thanks!! Esko >> Esko: I gotta say, as the KRNet Head WhineMeister, you are soooooo RIGHT. KRNet subscribers are by far the most responsive and helpful folks in cyberspace. Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:42:55 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engines and Props At 08:46 PM 2/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >The first part of my KR2S kit arrives next week and I am >really looking forward to getting started. I would like to hear as many >opinions as possible on engines and props. > I think its gona come down to how much money you want to spend. There are a lot of nice little engines out there in the 80 to 120 hp range but cost is high! Anywhere from $7000 to $14000 US. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:15:43 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Reliability of VW engines (was Kitplanes Articles) > we have guys who are having a success rate [with the VW] >that's just a bit better than a 2 stroke! . . . It could be the weather here in >southern California, we have the opportunity to fly about 200 hours a year >and the OATs are in the 90s for the most part. I am seriously beginning to >think the guys who have the best luck with VWs only fly 50 hours or less a >year. >The first part of my KR2S kit arrives next week and I am >really looking forward to getting started. I would like to hear as many >opinions as possible on engines and props. I'm afraid Douglas may get more opinions than he was hoping for, but not necessarily useful ones, since this is becoming almost a religious war between people like me (worked on VW engines and loves them based on my car experience, but haven't flown behind them) against people like Mike Mimms (loves certified engines and hates VW engines based on friends' opinions, but hasn't flown behind them). Do we have any KR fliers on this list with actual long-term EXPERIENCE in VW engines who can give an opinion on their reliability? In my opinion, this is the engine KR's were designed for and the overwhelming number of KR's have had, so it's hard to believe they could be as bad as Mike says if they're properly put together, baffled, and cooled. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:36:14 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: Engines and Props Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 08:46 PM 2/6/98 -0800, you wrote: > >The first part of my KR2S kit arrives next week and I am > >really looking forward to getting started. I would like to hear as many > >opinions as possible on engines and props. > > > > I think its gona come down to how much money you want to spend. There are a > lot of nice little engines out there in the 80 to 120 hp range but cost is > high! Anywhere from $7000 to $14000 US. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Building outer wings now > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Fax 714.856.9417 Mike, I have noticed several Continental 0200s zero time rebuilds for about $7,900. Considering that I was already thinking of spending about $6,500 for an EA81; that really isn't that much more if in fact it is a superior engine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:20:47 EST From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW engines (was Kitplanes Articles) Bill here I could never get more then 400 hrs on a VW before I had a problem, Like a cracked case.. And not always at the same spot. I had 1500 hrs on my kr before I sold it. WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 07:04:40 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: VW Reliability was Kitplanes Articles Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 02:57 PM 2/6/98 EST, you wrote: > From what I've seen in Newsletters, the > >unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners > > > >Mike Taglieri > > > > > > Nah these are Revmaster, HAPI Magnums and other popular VW based aero > components and all machine work done by RIMCO. The guys we are talking > about have the money to do it right and it still isn't working, > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Building outer wings now > > ------------------------- Just my opinion with no flying experience: However, It seems to me that most of the VW motors I have seen have short stubby exhaust tubes. This is sure death on valves. When I was a kid racing cars, I learned that short exhaust pipes may work for racing but when we shut the motor down we covered the exhaust pipes so the valves would not warp from the cool air on the hot valves. Not all, but the majority of VW motors on KRs have short pipes and I can't help but think that is the main problem with the top end overhauls that people complain about. When you combine poor cooling (overheating) with short exhaust pipes, you have a motor that will not last as long. The valves on VW motors were not designed to run with short stubby exhaust pipes. Just my opinion. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:02:10 -0600 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: KR: Re: Private airstrip requirements Hi Rick: I currently own a 2000' grass private air field in south Mississippi. I bought an 40 year old existing runway that is located in a rural area. There are houses of non-pilots all around it. One family even built a house 100' off the north end of the runway. (I don't understand why people would build a house on the end of a runway and then complain about the noise and raise a concern about a plane landing in their living room.) The only government agency I have had to deal with is the County. (If your in a city, which I'm sure your not, you would have to deal with the local city government.) The federal government and the FAA have not and don't want anything to do with local airfields. I met with a lot of resistance with the local residents when I first bought the runway and applied for a building permit to build a hangar. After a lot of sessions with the county commission I got my building permit, built my hangar and am getting along with most of the residents. Even with all the problems I have had with local residents and all the maintenance (I hate cutting grass) to the runway, taking off and landing on your own runway and having a place to work on your airplane has been a real joy. I would encourage everyone to go for it. Rick H. - ---------- > From: EagleGator@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Private airstrip requirements > Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 9:54 PM > > Please excuse the non-building topic, but do any of you know where I can find > information on the web about getting a site approved for a private airstrip? > The short story is I'm looking at buying some land to build a retirement home > on and want to start with the runway and hangar (my wife's idea, can you > believe it??!!). I want to get an idea of what I'm up against before I start > making any financial commitments on land. If necessary, I could put in a > 3000' "driveway", but I'd like to try the legal approval route first, if it > isn't to excrutiatingly painful. Thanks for your help, and please reply > directly to eaglegator@aol.com. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:19:12 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: one year older Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. One week into building. John F. Esch KR2-SSW Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:41:54 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: one year older > Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > > One week into building. > > John F. Esch > KR2-SSW > Salem, OR Climbling? I guess spelling goes with age as well. ;-) Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:58:31 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Reliability was Kitplanes Articles At 07:04 AM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >Just my opinion with no flying experience: However, It seems to me that most of the VW motors I have seen have short stubby exhaust tubes. This is sure death on valves. >>>> Your right about short pipes but I have only seen one with stubs, most all have a nice tuned 4 into 1 pipe these days. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:22:33 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Private airstrip Sorry to post this to KRNet, but for some reason every time I try to send anything to Rick privately, it bounces and says he's not receiving mail from me. ;o( So here's my 2 cents worth: > >Hi, Rick > >Boy, if you were in Texas I could sure help you. They publish a nifty >little pamphlet on just this very thing. I have no idea how your state >is set up, but I got my Texas info through TAC, the Texas Aeronautics >Commission. If your state has anything like that, hit them up. If >you're interested in the Texas info, let me know and I'll try to rustle >it up. > >There was also an article in Sport Aviation or AOPA Pilot about building >your own strip, and tips related to that. I can also search for that if >you strike out. > >Regards, > >Oscar > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:04:32 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: one year older At 12:41 PM 2/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >> Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. >> >> One week into building. >> >> John F. Esch >> KR2-SSW >> Salem, OR > > >Climbling? I guess spelling goes with age as well. ;-) I haven't been climbling much lately but this month my project is two years old! Should have wings soon, I had planned to install the outer spars today but when I went by RR yesterday they were CLOSED!! ARGH!! Oh well I will pick them up on Monday and take another day off next week. I am trying to at least have the foam cores in place before ChinoKosh. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:03:44 -0500 From: dadg@centuryinter.net Subject: Re: KR: VW Reliability was Kitplanes Articles MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > At 02:57 PM 2/6/98 EST, you wrote: > > From what I've seen in Newsletters, the > > >unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners > > > > > >Mike Taglieri > > > > > > > > > > Nah these are Revmaster, HAPI Magnums and other popular VW based aero > > components and all machine work done by RIMCO. The guys we are talking > > about have the money to do it right and it still isn't working, > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Micheal Mims > > Building outer wings now > > > > ------------------------- > > Just my opinion with no flying experience: However, It seems to me > that most of the VW motors I have seen have short stubby exhaust tubes. > This is sure death on valves. > When I was a kid racing cars, I learned that short exhaust pipes may > work for racing but when we shut the motor down we covered the exhaust > pipes so the valves would not warp from the cool air on the hot valves. > Not all, but the majority of VW motors on KRs have short pipes and I > can't help but think that is the main problem with the top end overhauls > that people complain about. > When you combine poor cooling (overheating) with short exhaust pipes, > you have a motor that will not last as long. The valves on VW motors > were not designed to run with short stubby exhaust pipes. > Just my opinion. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > ---------------- HI MARV YOU ARE RIGHT SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION ON THE EXAUST SYSTEM IS NECESARY TO KEEP THE VALVES OPERATING PROPERLY. CRIMPING THE PIPESWILL ALSO QUET THE NOISE LEVEL IF SOME HOLESDRILLED AHEAD OF THE CRIMP. EUGENE GARGASZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:16:47 -0500 From: dadg@centuryinter.net Subject: Re: KR: Re: Private airstrip requirements Rick Hanson wrote: > > Hi Rick: > > I currently own a 2000' grass private air field in south Mississippi. I > bought an 40 year old existing runway that is located in a rural area. > There are houses of non-pilots all around it. One family even built a > house 100' off the north end of the runway. (I don't understand why people > would build a house on the end of a runway and then complain about the > noise and raise a concern about a plane landing in their living room.) The > only government agency I have had to deal with is the County. (If your in > a city, which I'm sure your not, you would have to deal with the local city > government.) The federal government and the FAA have not and don't want > anything to do with local airfields. I met with a lot of resistance with > the local residents when I first bought the runway and applied for a > building permit to build a hangar. After a lot of sessions with the county > commission I got my building permit, built my hangar and am getting along > with most of the residents. > Even with all the problems I have had with local residents and all the > maintenance (I hate cutting grass) to the runway, taking off and landing on > your own runway and having a place to work on your airplane has been a > real joy. I would encourage everyone to go for it. > > Rick H. > > > > ---------- > > From: EagleGator@aol.com > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Private airstrip requirements > > Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 9:54 PM > > > > Please excuse the non-building topic, but do any of you know where I can > find > > information on the web about getting a site approved for a private > airstrip? > > The short story is I'm looking at buying some land to build a retirement > home > > on and want to start with the runway and hangar (my wife's idea, can you > > believe it??!!). I want to get an idea of what I'm up against before I > start > > making any financial commitments on land. If necessary, I could put in a > > 3000' "driveway", but I'd like to try the legal approval route first, if > it > > isn't to excrutiatingly painful. Thanks for your help, and please reply > > directly to eaglegator@aol.com. > > > > Cheers, > > Rick Junkin > > EagleGator@aol.com > > St. Charles MO HI RICK IM ABOUT 3 MILES AWAY FROM THE COUNTY AIRPORT AND AM JUST IN THE CLEVELAND AIRPORT RESTRICTED AREA WITH THE OBERLIN FAA CONTROLER AT MY DOOR STEP I PLAN ON USING MY GRASS STRIP OBEYING THE CLEV ALT REGS AND COMPLYING WITH THE COUNTY TRAFFIC PATERN AJUSTING MINE WITH IT. THANKS EUGENE GARGASZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:25:21 -0800 From: rahuman@swbell.net Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW engines (was Kitplanes Articles) MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > Do we have any KR fliers on this list with actual long-term EXPERIENCE in VW > engines who can give an opinion on their reliability? In my opinion, this is > the engine KR's were designed for and the overwhelming number of KR's have > had, so it's hard to believe they could be as bad as Mike says if they're > properly put together, baffled, and cooled. > > Mike Taglieri ok you asked! I have @300 hours in a VP-1 I built - 3 engines - a 1385 - ran pretty good but too small - a 1500 built up by Ted Barker - had lot's of trouble - mostly with the mag and mag coupling - somebody came along and offered me more that it was worth - bought a HAPI 1835E - could not keep the heads tight - always leaking - cooling was never a problem except that it's was extremely difficult to get all the head temps even. I always had long straight pipes. The only valve problems I ever encountered was with the 1385 - lost the end of a pushrod. I was going to install the 1835 on the KR - but when a good C-85 became available I JUMPED. I ended up giving the VP and the HAPI engine to the Lone Star Flight Museum. Opinion: If you love to tinker and have a single place install a VW otherwise find a Cont. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:50:13 -0500 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: KR: Re: New Members nifty information site - ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: KRNET > Subject: KR: New Members nifty information site > Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 4:20 PM > > Jim Pratt just joined the digest, and he has a terrific > page containing a inspection checklist. Check it out! > > http://www.provide.net/~pratt/ambuilt/faqhmblt.htm > > -- Regards > Ross Check out this site. http://www.excalhq.it/ulm/catalogo/Propulsori/s_sax86.htm Anybody speak Italian?? Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:48:06 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: VW Reliability was Kitplanes Articles MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > At 02:57 PM 2/6/98 EST, you wrote: > > From what I've seen in Newsletters, the > > >unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners > > > > > >Mike Taglieri > > > > > > > > > > Nah these are Revmaster, HAPI Magnums and other popular VW based aero > > components and all machine work done by RIMCO. The guys we are talking > > about have the money to do it right and it still isn't working, > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Micheal Mims > > Building outer wings now > > > > ------------------------- > > Just my opinion with no flying experience: However, It seems to me > that most of the VW motors I have seen have short stubby exhaust tubes. > This is sure death on valves. > When I was a kid racing cars, I learned that short exhaust pipes may > work for racing but when we shut the motor down we covered the exhaust > pipes so the valves would not warp from the cool air on the hot valves. > Not all, but the majority of VW motors on KRs have short pipes and I > can't help but think that is the main problem with the top end overhauls > that people complain about. > When you combine poor cooling (overheating) with short exhaust pipes, > you have a motor that will not last as long. The valves on VW motors > were not designed to run with short stubby exhaust pipes. > Just my opinion. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > ---------------- Marvin that's what I've heard as well. I've got four stubby exhaust pipes that are about 16 inches long since they're made of two 90deg elbows and a 4" straight section each. I'm considering the Great Plains exhaust collector but it's about $300 or so. I've always heard that stubby pipes will burn the exhaust valves. I've not flown these pipes yet. I think the collector would be a lot quieter, no? - -Tom in Orlando KR2S with 1835cc GP VW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:28:36 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:one year older >> Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. >> >> One week into building. >> >> John F. Esch >> KR2-SSW >> Salem, OR > > >Climbling? I guess spelling goes with age as well. ;-) > >Rich Parker >Jaffrey, NH We don't need to be pointing out speeeliing errors. :) Climbling is derived from the Swiss word "climble". It means to grow older and climb a hill. So the actual error is redundancy. Help stamp out and abolish it. I made all this up by the way. Congratulations John. Don't do what I have done, keep building, steady. It doesn't matter how slow, just keep at it! Robert Covington Setting records for building half a side, now on year two. ;) KR-2S, and a KRToo-Small (go-cart) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:44:38 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Reliability of VW engines (was Kitplanes Articles) Hey I just spent the evening with some of my hanger pals and one pointed out that the Dragonfly in this months issue of kitplanes was his old airplane! This one has a A-80 or a C-85 installed, I cant remember which. Anyway the guy who wrote the article is the same guy Stan sold his Dragonfly too. Small world! I told Stan that after reading the article I thought the guy should have bought a C-150 or something and not a homebuilt and Stan concurred. This is one of the Dragonflies that ended up landing off airport due to a HAPI engine snapping the crank and prop and hub departing airplane! After retrieval, VW in dumpster and C-85 installed! :o) PS Stan now has a LongEZ with a new Lyc O-360. Boys and their toys! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:58:48 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW engines (was Kitplanes Articles) Micheal Mims wrote: > > Hey I just spent the evening with some of my hanger pals and one pointed > out that the Dragonfly in this months issue of kitplanes was his old > airplane! This one has a A-80 or a C-85 installed, I cant remember which. > Anyway the guy who wrote the article is the same guy Stan sold his Dragonfly > too. Small world! I told Stan that after reading the article I thought the > guy should have bought a C-150 or something and not a homebuilt and Stan > concurred. > > This is one of the Dragonflies that ended up landing off airport due to a > HAPI engine snapping the crank and prop and hub departing airplane! After > retrieval, VW in dumpster and C-85 installed! :o) > > PS Stan now has a LongEZ with a new Lyc O-360. Boys and their toys! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Building outer wings now > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Fax 714.856.9417 The more I hear, the better a O-200 sounds. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:34:05 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. In a message dated 98-02-08 02:07:42 EST, you write: << The more I hear, the better a O-200 sounds. >> Guys, Enough is enough, it seems all we are hearing is the VW is dog and I've listened all I can listen. I'll not say anything about Revmaster or HAPI, one voice on the KRNet seems to be doing all the talking. My 2180 WILL be a QUALITY engine and IS my engine of choice. I'll not publically question your intelligence, you don't question mine. Start off with a good case, not one that has 100,000 road miles on it. Conts. were never in vehicles so they don't have that wear on them. Put in a NEW forged balance crank, not a crank that has been "over the road", balanced pistons, balanced rods and replace the small fiber pulley bearing on the "front" of the crank with a bearing designed to take the load, which I will guaranty your dragonfly driver did not have, and you don't have crank problems. Go with stainless steel valves, external oil filter and perform the recommended maintainence, ie, torque your heads more than just when needed. Now you've spent more money but you have an engine that is not a car engine put in an airplane but a QUALITY aircraft engine that will perform as advertised and will make a KR a fast, efficient and reliable two place airplane. For those of you out there who are still contemplating your engine choice, the VW can be constructed in a manner that will provide you with a level of confidence comparable with any other engine out there that is suitable for the KR design. Do not simply take and engine out of a car, turn it around, stick a prop on it and go, you are asking for trouble. You'll notice that I did not take advantage of every opportunity to trash talk the other engines as one person has done the last two days. Don't belittle my choice or my engine and I'll do the same for you, I've listened long enough. I have got good information from the KRnet and I hope FACT continues to flow, if I want opinions, innuendos and misinformation I can turn on network TV. If this kind of fingerpointing continues, I'll join the ranks of the un- subscribed. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:38:37 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Sun & Fun That somewhat weekly reminder about KR group rates at Sun & Fun We have a group rate of $59.95 at the Tampa Budgetel, Fairgrounds for Sun & Fun. When you call, ask for the manager, Bob Seguin and tell him you want the KR group rate. See you at Lakeland. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 07:37:41 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. Dana, Good post. I've flown a few hours behind two different VW engines. Both were noticeably smoother than any 4 cyl Lyc. or Cont. To do it right, a few bucks need to be shelled out to make the VW dub a good reliable aircraft engine - but it's worth it. If you don't have much experience working with the VW, get help from an expert like Steve Bennett. Perform regular maintenance (not costly) -for example, keep the valves adjusted and change oil more often if you don't have an oil filter. Use some common sense and the engine will last as long as you need it. If you do have to replace some parts, it won't cost you 40 bucks for a valve. > Ed Janssen >For those of you out there who are still contemplating your engine choice, the >VW can be constructed in a manner that will provide you with a level of >confidence comparable with any other engine out there that is suitable for the >KR design. Do not simply take and engine out of a car, turn it around, stick >a prop on it and go, you are asking for trouble. > >You'll notice that I did not take advantage of every opportunity to trash talk >the other engines as one person has done the last two days. Don't belittle my >choice or my engine and I'll do the same for you, I've listened long enough. > >Dana Overall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 06:44:54 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. Stuff snipped Start off with a good case, not one >that has 100,000 road miles on it. Conts. were never in vehicles so they >don't have that wear on them. Put in a NEW forged balance crank, not a crank >that has been "over the road", balanced pistons, balanced rods and replace the >small fiber pulley bearing on the "front" of the crank with a bearing designed >to take the load, which I will guaranty your dragonfly driver did not have, >and you don't have crank problems. Go with stainless steel valves, external >oil filter and perform the recommended maintainence, ie, torque your heads >more than just when needed. Now you've spent more money but you have an >engine that is not a car engine put in an airplane but a QUALITY aircraft >engine that will perform as advertised and will make a KR a fast, efficient >and reliable two place airplane. The crowd roars its approval... Dana Dana Dana! >If this kind of fingerpointing continues, I'll join the ranks of the un- >subscribed. Do that I will will come beat your butt...unless you are like really big and muscular and would squash my scrawny frame into pulp. Ron Lee >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:04:42 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes Articles At 02:57 PM 2/6/98 EST, you wrote: > From what I've seen in Newsletters, the >unreliable VW's are the stroked, high-compression powerburners that get >tricked up with hot-rod parts, and boys in SoCal may be the most likely to get >carried away with that kind of thing. . . . > >Mike Taglieri > Tell it like is!!!! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:31:15 -0500 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: KR: PAL versions of KR video Hey KRNetters, I've had a couple of requests for the Gathering Video in the PAL format.(the video system widely used throughout Europe) I'm going to have some PAL versions of the video made and I need to know how many of you guys outside of the U.S. would like to get one. I'll keep the price at $25, which includes shipping (no need to penalize our KR friends across the ocean) The best way to transfer funds will be Visa or MasterCard. I am going to make a limited number, so don't delay in ordering your video from me. Once they are gone, that's it. Please e-mail me directly, or use snail mail. Bob Vermeulen Omega Productions 304 Cedar St. NE Grand Rapids, MI 49503 phone/fax 616-774-3913 email bvermeul@concentric.net P.S. Please forgive me for dealing with this matter over KRNet, but it was the only way I knew of to get in touch with all of the KR lovers outside of our borders. Thanks again for all the support you guys have been and I hope the video has been fun to watch during these winter months. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #34 ****************************