From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 9:12 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #35 krnet-l-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 035 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:41:31 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. In a message dated 98-02-08 08:48:11 EST, you write: << Do that I will will come beat your butt...unless you are like really big and muscular and would squash my scrawny frame into pulp. Ron Lee >> Ron, I couldn't be that big if my KR is a stock KR-2, also I don't arm wrestle my 15 year old, who plays high school football, anymore either. I always forget to post the Budgetel phone number for the KR group rate at Sun & Fun, it's 813 626-0885. Sorry if ANYONE was offended by my post, I look forward to getting on the KRnet everyday, I was just a little bit more than pisxxx this morning. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:24:12 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Re:one year older > Robert Covington > Setting records for building half a side, now on year two. ;) > KR-2S, and a KRToo-Small (go-cart) My 10 month old would be interested in your KRToo-Small. any details? Rich Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:43:51 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Re: Belly Board This is a question for Dana Overall or anyone who has a belly board on their KR. Dana, do you have any pictures or drawings showing how you hooked up the board. What kind of linkage do you use to actuate or make the belly board on your KR work? Do you use the same mechanism that was to be used for the flaps? Is it mechanical or electrical? Did you just cut a slot in the bottom of the fuselage for the linkage to go through? If you have any pictures of this that you could post on your web site it would be cool. Thanks Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:45:12 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. At 07:34 AM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-08 02:07:42 EST, you write: > ><< The more I hear, the better a O-200 sounds. >> > >Guys, > >Enough is enough, it seems all we are hearing is the VW is dog and I've >listened all I can listen. I'll not say anything about Revmaster or HAPI, >one voice on the KRNet seems to be doing all the talking. Well I find it kinda funny that so far its only the guys who are "planning" on using the VW are the ones defending it. Two or three guys who flew behind them seem to report exactly the same thing I did. Hey I fly behind a VW too. I agree its a smooth running little engine and the power it generates is very impressive considering the size of the engine. I just don't want to go through all the tinkering my friends go through to keep it running. I think to obtain the most reliable VW you would be better off buying one already assembled from GPASC or Revmaster instead of building it up yourself but again like you said Dana,..that's just what I think and when I think I insult people! I had a few visitors at the hanger yesterday, mostly guys who are done building and have been flying their homebuilts for a while. Everyone seem to like the KR and almost every single one of them said I should quit calling it a KR because it is far from being one. I don't know what to call it but I bet the two or three guys on this list who have irritated the hell out of me over the past few years can think of something for me. What do you say Mike? Tub O Lard, BW2 (Beached Whale), DT2 (Death Trap),...... Well seeing how I am not building a stock KR and powering it with the almighty VW based powerplant I think I will get off this list. It has really raised my blood pressure in the last few weeks and I don't need that I need to finish my airplane. I am finally at the point that Mark Langford, Mark Lougheed, Jeff Scott and a few others arrived at a long time ago, this list is not for me either. Hey guys I was only trying to share real life experiences concerning the VW and all of a sudden I am a asxxole! Gee I guess real life experiences shouldnt be shared if its gona insult someone else's engine choice or possibly save a life or........ I will continue to promote the KRnet list from my website, I also plan to continue updating the website until first flight. Then like Jeff Scott said "I will be to busy having fun" to mess around on the computer. See Yall around! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: Re: KR: one year older >Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > >One week into building. > >John F. Esch >KR2-SSW >Salem, OR >Happy Birthday John!!! Do we dare ask, how old you are? The reason I poder the thought is, I tured the big five-oh last month (Jan 26) and am now two weeks into building the boat and having a ball cutting and gluing spruce sticks. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:15:51 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Time for a group hug (was: engine stuff) You guys need to check out certain scuba mailing lists for a while. You have seen nothing compared to the baby tiff over engines. We (me at least) don't want any of you to leave, so stay on and enjoy. If certain threads become annoying, don't read them anymore. So quit threatening to get off the list, hug and make up. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 09:14:09 -0800 From: Douglas Dorfmeier Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-08 02:07:42 EST, you write: > > << The more I hear, the better a O-200 sounds. >> > > Guys, > > Enough is enough, it seems all we are hearing is the VW is dog and I've > listened all I can listen. I'll not say anything about Revmaster or HAPI, > one voice on the KRNet seems to be doing all the talking. My 2180 WILL be a > QUALITY engine and IS my engine of choice. I'll not publically question your > intelligence, you don't question mine. Start off with a good case, not one > that has 100,000 road miles on it. Conts. were never in vehicles so they > don't have that wear on them. Put in a NEW forged balance crank, not a crank > that has been "over the road", balanced pistons, balanced rods and replace the > small fiber pulley bearing on the "front" of the crank with a bearing designed > to take the load, which I will guaranty your dragonfly driver did not have, > and you don't have crank problems. Go with stainless steel valves, external > oil filter and perform the recommended maintainence, ie, torque your heads > more than just when needed. Now you've spent more money but you have an > engine that is not a car engine put in an airplane but a QUALITY aircraft > engine that will perform as advertised and will make a KR a fast, efficient > and reliable two place airplane. > > For those of you out there who are still contemplating your engine choice, the > VW can be constructed in a manner that will provide you with a level of > confidence comparable with any other engine out there that is suitable for the > KR design. Do not simply take and engine out of a car, turn it around, stick > a prop on it and go, you are asking for trouble. > > You'll notice that I did not take advantage of every opportunity to trash talk > the other engines as one person has done the last two days. Don't belittle my > choice or my engine and I'll do the same for you, I've listened long enough. > > I have got good information from the KRnet and I hope FACT continues to flow, > if I want opinions, innuendos and misinformation I can turn on network TV. > > If this kind of fingerpointing continues, I'll join the ranks of the un- > subscribed. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, I am glad you spoke up. When I asked for opinions of engines and props, I was hoping to get a wide spectrum of opinions. Opinions are just that and are rarely based on undisputable fact. Few if any of us have enough facts to make a truely objective choice. My goal in posing the engine and prop question in the first place was to get as many different views as possible. I am glad you decided to speak up. I think these kinds of discussions help all of newer builders make more informed decisions. Please don't unsubscribe, but rather allow the rest of us to benefit from your knowledge. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:14:21 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Mike Mims Guys, I go along with the group hug thing. I just sent Mike a personal e-mail and apologized for anything I said that offended him. I regularly check Mike's comments and have used his insight into the building process and have found them to be invaluable. I encourage all KRnet'ers to flood Mike's e-mail because if everyone agreed with everyone else nothing would get done for patting each other on the back. Mike, I hope you haven't un-subscribed yet. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:18:14 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. >Well seeing how I am not building a stock KR and powering it with the >almighty VW based powerplant I think I will get off this list. It has >really raised my blood pressure in the last few weeks and I don't need that >I need to finish my airplane. I am finally at the point that Mark Langford, >Mark Lougheed, Jeff Scott and a few others arrived at a long time ago, this >list is not for me either. Hey guys I was only trying to share real life >experiences concerning the VW and all of a sudden I am a asxxole! Gee I >guess real life experiences shouldnt be shared if its gona insult someone >else's engine choice or possibly save a life or........ > >Micheal Mims Wow! Is it the weather or what? I think a few of us need a good nap. We need to squelch the short fuses and respect some individuality. Powerplants is powerplants. We all have our preferences and opinions which sets us apart from the other beasts of the field. Sharing is what it's all about. Can we still learn from how the other guy does things? You betcha. Don't anybody jump ship! :-) Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:26:43, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: Private airstrip requirements Rick My wife has suggested that I take my pillow and blanket to the hangar. Does that count? Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:52:17 -0600 From: flyer@clas.net Subject: Re: KR: Mike Mims KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > Guys, > > I go along with the group hug thing. I just sent Mike a personal e-mail and > apologized for anything I said that offended him. I regularly check Mike's > comments and have used his insight into the building process and have found > them to be invaluable. I encourage all KRnet'ers to flood Mike's e-mail > because if everyone agreed with everyone else nothing would get done for > patting each other on the back. > > Mike, I hope you haven't un-subscribed yet. Mike Mims....don't you dare leave this group..... Your input is some of the most helpful for us builders, both beginners and experienced. Bruce Watkins flyer@ clas.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:28:48 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Belly Board In a message dated 98-02-08 11:48:05 EST, you write: << This is a question for Dana Overall or anyone who has a belly board on their KR. Dana, do you have any pictures or drawings showing how you hooked up the board. What kind of linkage do you use to actuate or make the belly board on your KR work? Do you use the same mechanism that was to be used for the flaps? Is it mechanical or electrical? Did you just cut a slot in the bottom of the fuselage for the linkage to go through? If you have any pictures of this that you could post on your web site it would be cool. Thanks Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net >> Marvin, I have come up several ways to accomplish the activation of a belly board but have not yet decided on the one I'm going to use. I was planning on hydraulically activating a board using an electric MAC servo, I haven't ruled that out yet. The neatest idea I've heard so far is to use a boat trim plate cylinder. You can use the RR flap handle but I am trying to avoid placing anything else in the passenger area, that is why I am leaning towards a electric, hydraulic combination of some sort. Ken Cornelius @ kencor@cneti.com has some real nice pictures of a mechanical setup. But, yes you will have to cut a slot, or slots, into the bottom of the fuselage right behind the rear spar for at least one and probably three bellcranks to go through to support the board it's entire length. Sorry I couldn't be more help at this time but I'm still somewhat in the dark as to how I'm going to go with this. Who was it out there that floated to boat trim plate thing? Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:17:08 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: one year older 32 and one week into cutting sticks. foward of main spar, sticks and gussets cut. John jeroffey wrote: > >Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > > > >One week into building. > > > >John F. Esch > >KR2-SSW > >Salem, OR > >Happy Birthday John!!! Do we dare ask, how old you are? > The reason I poder the thought is, I tured the big five-oh last month > (Jan > 26) and am now two weeks into building the boat and having a ball > cutting > and gluing spruce sticks. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:29:33 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: one year older I mean "forward of the main spar" sorry John F. Esch wrote: > 32 and one week into cutting sticks. foward of main spar, sticks and > gussets cut. > > John > > jeroffey wrote: > > > >Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > > > > > >One week into building. > > > > > >John F. Esch > > >KR2-SSW > > >Salem, OR > > >Happy Birthday John!!! Do we dare ask, how old you are? > > The reason I poder the thought is, I tured the big five-oh last > month > > (Jan > > 26) and am now two weeks into building the boat and having a ball > > cutting > > and gluing spruce sticks. > > John Roffey > > jeroffey@tir.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:43:32 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR:??????? Man! Don't read your e-mail for a couple of days and KRNet goes crazy! As with anything in life there all all kinds of people. I just hope that some people will start considering what they are saying before making a post. This list is here for people to exchange info and opinions. If you don't like someone's opinion FINE! Just don't start saying that they are wrong just because you don't agree with it. And don't start saying things that you know nothing about. Mike T-- Mike Mims has flown behind VW engines. Get your story straight before saying anything about it. =20 I will get off the soapbox now. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:28:37 -0800 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: Re: one year older John F. Esch wrote: > Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > > One week into building. > > John F. Esch > KR2-SSW > Salem, OR Happy Birthday John! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:20:09 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: Angle of attack on the ground Hi gang, Im going over my tailwheel design again and I was measuring how tall to make the spring. My impression was that I wanted the wing to be at about 15 deg (about stall angle) when the plane sits on the tailwheel. Thing is..it looks pretty "nose high" sitting that way in the garage. In fact, about 12 degrees looks about right. The trades: Full stall landing attitude capability vs seeing over the nose a little better and having more clearance between the tail wheel spring and the rudder. Any thoughts? Any data for comparison? - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:41:16 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Angle of attack on the ground Peter Hudson wrote: > > Hi gang, > > Im going over my tailwheel design again and I was measuring how tall to > make the spring. My impression was that I wanted the wing to be at > about 15 deg (about stall angle) when the plane sits on the tailwheel. > Thing is..it looks pretty "nose high" sitting that way in the garage. > In fact, about 12 degrees looks about right. > > The trades: Full stall landing attitude capability vs seeing over the > nose a little better and having more clearance between the tail wheel > spring and the rudder. > > Any thoughts? Any data for comparison? > > -Peter Hudson- Since you're accepting mere thoughts, here's mine. All you KR drivers feel free to respond with the truth. With the KR you do all wheel landings so the length of the tailwheel is insignificant. The shorter tailwheel gives more prop clearance and less DRAG and lighter weight back there. Look at the inflight video of Martin Robert's KR-2(s?). He's got plenty of visibility over the nose when taxiing. The nose is rather narrow in comparison to other two-seaters so you can see fine down the side. And I believe the KR-2S canopy will give even better visibility during taxi. Why does the KR prefer to do wheel landings? I think it's a combination of a few factors: 1) Low drag means it takes a long time to bleed off airspeed and get a decent sink rate in a three-point attitude. 2) Light weight means you have a low sink rate at even a slight angle of attack. You can't get a good sink rate with the nose up or airspeed up even a bit. 3) Ground effect magnifies these "problems", and the KR gets in ground effect sooner than high-wing airplanes. The wing has to get deeper into ground effect than any high wing, and a lot of low wings for that matter. The KR with retracts seems to be the "Low-rider" of the aviation community! You could call it a "scrape". 4) It's hard to make an approach at a low enough airspeed because the control surfaces are small and thin, not very effective at slow speed like the surfaces of a J-3 cub which are huge in comparison and have greater control throws. 5) High pitch small diameter propellors which KR's use have little braking effect at idle. Put a 52 x 24 on a KR and voila! Low throttle = Aerodynamic braking. Climb rate would be 2000fpm and top speed well over 70 blazing MPH. The KR-2 seems to have the same problems landing that a sailplane or racer does. Notice that the KR-1 used to have a motorglider option, the KR-1B, which meant longer wings with more taper. So, my point is that the tailwheel height doesn't matter, you'll never use it to land on anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:27:26 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Michael Mims Mike , don't you dare leave this list. Part of the fun is the controversy, be it VW Soob 0200 Ruber Band or Hand crank. This is what we want to hear. Everone has thier own opinion and is certanly given the right to express it. The value you have added to the list is far more important than what your own feelings are about what others chose for their power. Stay. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:30:25 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: progress Got all the diagonals and gussets fitted and glued in today from firewall to spar carrythru stations. There sure is alot of the little suckers. Good days work there. John Roffey jeroffe@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:53:02 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Re: one year older Thanks John F. Esch almost ready to glue the #1 fuselage side. :-) Bruce S. Campbell wrote: > John F. Esch wrote: > > > Well, one year older today. Climbling that big hill. > > > > One week into building. > > > > John F. Esch > > KR2-SSW > > Salem, OR > > Happy Birthday John! > > Bruce S. Campbell > Tampa, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:57:25 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Progress? I put the seat in the Kr temporarily and installed the rudder pedals. Then I got to make airplane noises. Still a long way to go but kind of fun to set in it. I made my rudder pedals from 5/8 aluminum tubing and I used 3/4 tubing for the mounting brackets. It worked real good and the whole shooting match is super light. I was going to mount them on the top but they hung down to far to work comfortably so I put them on the floor. I had to make another set of brake pedals since the top mount pedals are different. I glued up the framework for the elevator and horizontal stabilizer. Did it the way Mark Langford showed on his web page. Worked real slick. The hinges have a bit of a bind in them so I will need to work on them. Looked at another KR here in Seattle area last weekend. He made his outer spars the correct length with spruce and did not have to add glass and foam sections on the end. Any one who has not made their spars yet should think about doing it that way. Makes a better spar and a lot less work. I don't know why the plans have you make extensions from glass and foam when it would be so much easier to just cut the spruce spars longer in the first place. Still having fun. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:10:53 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR:Chinokosh?? Hey.... Is Chinokosh still on? I am planning on arriving in CA on the evening of Feb 27 and will be staying there for about a week. Mike, I can help you do anything to your KR on the 28 & 29 if you are going to work on it then (What am I thinking! Volunteering free labor to Mike. What am I getting myself into! :) ) Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:09:45 -0700 From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca Subject: KR: homepage Hi Gang, Have updated my home page. Take a look. And.........it's nice flying behind a VW, he, he, he! - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:09:23 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? At 12:10 AM 2/9/98 GMT, you wrote: >>Mike, I can help you do anything to your KR on the 28 & 29 if you are going to work on it then >>> If your around and available on say Tuesday or Wednesday (3rd or 4th) Maybe I can give you a crash course on hot wiring! :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:37:29 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Apology (sorta) Sorry to those I shot this morning! I hope your wounds were not fatal! If they were then may you rest in peace. :o) I also promise not to post to the KRnet any material that will contain the words "VW" and "dumpster" in the same sentence! Hopefully GPASC did not take offence because that was not my intent, actually I am willing to bet if we purchased already assembled engines from Steve the little VWs reputation at my airport would be a little better. Oh well maybe next time. Thanks to those of you who took the time to email me privately, your words were kind,....kinda weird! No just joking, thanks really! Now to all of you who want to power your KR with a VW derivative,.........may your valves always seal and your heads remain cool! (unlike mine) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:44:28 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: Engine Choices Guys, Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 knots at 35,000 ft. I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? Pretty cool huh........ Best Regards, Bubba Perkins P.S. Cragers are hard to find for these acft. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:07:16 EST From: KMcken7414@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. I agree with this. How many of you have NEVER heard of a Cont. or a Lyc losing its will to go? The VW has been around alot longer than the cetifieds or the other conversions. If you have an opinion, share it, but don't bad mouth other people who are in the same group as you. This is supposed to be fun and safe at the same time. Of all the guys who have bad things to say about the VW, tell me , have you ever considered the VW engine? I bet you have. Well one last thought. While you guys are spending $3000.00 for your overhaul we will be spending 1/3 of that on ours. I truly believe that if the time and right parts are used you can have a very reliable, sweet running engine. I hope everyone will get along on here and remember guys.....KEEP IT SAFE. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:44:28 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. Dana, Im with you dude,my KR N28AK has had a VW ever since it was new and never has it exploded in flight......The acft has right at 300 since new....The subject I most agree with is that anybody can do what ever they want on their own acft...... THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF EXPERIMENTAL AIRPLANES.........!!!!!!! No one needs to belittle anyone for their choice of engines......... Some people swear by ROTAX 2 stroke engines(go figure) If that is what works for them then GOOD. I have seen my share of 0-200s with problems....Maybe we can start a net where everyone has VW installations.... Best Regards, Lloyd Keep Building Dana. On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:34:05 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 98-02-08 02:07:42 EST, you write: > ><< The more I hear, the better a O-200 sounds. >> > >Guys, > >Enough is enough, it seems all we are hearing is the VW is dog and >I've >listened all I can listen. I'll not say anything about Revmaster or >HAPI, >one voice on the KRNet seems to be doing all the talking. My 2180 >WILL be a >QUALITY engine and IS my engine of choice. I'll not publically >question your >intelligence, you don't question mine. Start off with a good case, >not one >that has 100,000 road miles on it. Conts. were never in vehicles so >they >don't have that wear on them. Put in a NEW forged balance crank, not >a crank >that has been "over the road", balanced pistons, balanced rods and >replace the >small fiber pulley bearing on the "front" of the crank with a bearing >designed >to take the load, which I will guaranty your dragonfly driver did not >have, >and you don't have crank problems. Go with stainless steel valves, >external >oil filter and perform the recommended maintainence, ie, torque your >heads >more than just when needed. Now you've spent more money but you have >an >engine that is not a car engine put in an airplane but a QUALITY >aircraft >engine that will perform as advertised and will make a KR a fast, >efficient >and reliable two place airplane. > >For those of you out there who are still contemplating your engine >choice, the >VW can be constructed in a manner that will provide you with a level >of >confidence comparable with any other engine out there that is suitable >for the >KR design. Do not simply take and engine out of a car, turn it >around, stick >a prop on it and go, you are asking for trouble. > >You'll notice that I did not take advantage of every opportunity to >trash talk >the other engines as one person has done the last two days. Don't >belittle my >choice or my engine and I'll do the same for you, I've listened long >enough. > >I have got good information from the KRnet and I hope FACT continues >to flow, >if I want opinions, innuendos and misinformation I can turn on network >TV. > >If this kind of fingerpointing continues, I'll join the ranks of the >un- >subscribed. > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 98 11:47:58 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: Re: KR: PAL versions of KR video On 8/2/98 4:31PM, in message <199802081429.JAA00888@cliff.concentric.net>, "Bob Vermeulen" wrote: Hi Bob This is Rob Matthews from South Africa and i would very much like a video in the PAL version. Many Thanks Rob Matthews South Africa mathewrz@iafrica.com > Hey KRNetters, > > I've had a couple of requests for the Gathering Video in the PAL > format.(the video system widely used throughout Europe) I'm going to have > some PAL versions of the video made and I need to know how many of you guys > outside of the U.S. would like to get one. I'll keep the price at $25, > which includes shipping (no need to penalize our KR friends across the > ocean) The best way to transfer funds will be Visa or MasterCard. I am > going to make a limited number, so don't delay in ordering your video from > me. Once they are gone, that's it. Please e-mail me directly, or use > snail mail. > > Bob Vermeulen > Omega Productions > 304 Cedar St. NE > Grand Rapids, MI 49503 > > phone/fax 616-774-3913 > > email bvermeul@concentric.net > > P.S. Please forgive me for dealing with this matter over KRNet, but it was > the only way I knew of to get in touch with all of the KR lovers outside of > our borders. Thanks again for all the support you guys have been and I > hope the video has been fun to watch during these winter months. > > > > > > - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:39:23 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Engine Choices >Guys, > > > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 >knots at 35,000 ft. >I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that >the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual >ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with >the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? >Pretty cool huh........ > >Best Regards, >Bubba Perkins > >P.S. Cragers are hard to find for these acft. Well, That ain't nothin'. Long ago I mentioned my plane that will use a P-51 Merlin engine. It will have a 50 foot tail stretch for weight and balance, and the right wing will be extended an extra 12 feet over the left for torque control. It'll be the torque of the town. Counting the "not's" this idea brings up, it will go very fast indeed. Not. See, there is another one right there. :) Bubbabubba Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:26:53 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. KMcken7414@aol.com wrote: > > If you have an opinion, share it, but don't bad mouth other people who are in > the same group as you. > Well one last thought. While you guys are spending $3000.00 for your overhaul > we will be spending 1/3 of that on ours. I truly believe that if the time and > right parts are used you can have a very reliable, sweet running engine. Exactly, not to mention the fact that the VW is an engine that many of us have some experience working on and feel comfortable with. Let's review- 1)relatively low initial outlay of cash. 2)cheap parts. 3)easy to work on. 4)light weight. 5)and it's a VW!!! You have to admit, there is a certain Bohemian coolness factor here. Well, to me anyway. Enough. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC- VW powered! WOW! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:57:40 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Progress-engine noises? In a message dated 98-02-08 22:03:13 EST, you write: << I put the seat in the Kr temporarily and installed the rudder pedals. Then I got to make airplane noises. Still a long way to go but kind of fun to set in it. >> marvin, I never could understand why they (wives) call us kids. Did you fly the entire pattern including engine startup to shutdown? I still do. In regards to your earlier question concerning bellyboards, I'll put together the four or five ideas of how it can and has been done. You are at the point in construction where this needs to be done. If you are using dual sticks it makes it easier as all you have to do is place a handle between the pilot and passenger, it's a pretty simple arrangement. If you want to try it, I have a RR flap handle that was the first one off the line in the new "beefed up" mode. I am not going to use it and you are more than welcome to give it a try. Send me you address and I'll mail it out to you. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:00:19 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Apology (sorta) Hey Mike, Welcome!!!!! Did you get my FAX? Dana Overall Richmond, Ky kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:11:38 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: End of Subject. In a message dated 98-02-09 00:34:53 EST, you write: << Maybe we can start a net where everyone has VW installations.... >> Hey now, that wasn't the intent, we need to keep the ONE net that is devoted to the KR, we're all trying to build the airplane that best suits each individual. Take a look at all the KRs out there, there are no two alike. I don't believe there is a better bargain for the buck than a KR whether it is a taildragger, hand laid wings, gull wing, or whatever. Does this make one better than anyother, absolutely not, although I go to bed thinking that what Mike has done to his horizontal stab and the size of Mark's might just be the ticket. but I think I'll get 616tj signed off first before I do a "minor" mod that does not require a re-inspection. And about that big block chevy, just how big does that one wing need to be and craggers (sp), WOW, EH HAH. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:17:13 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine Choices In a message dated 98-02-09 05:39:46 EST, you write: << and the right wing will be extended an extra 12 feet over the left for torque control. >> Hey Bubbabubba. That'll be a strange looking wing won't it... sorta like a horizontal "U" and extending from the right side of the fuselage up and over the cockpit then on over and above the left wing? WOW! COOL idea!! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:33:24 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: 2TC- VW Yo, Tom- Since you just got Two Tango Charlie airborne a short while back- which flavor of VW are you running in it? And, do you have stubby stacks on the exhaust? Was it a fresh rebuild/overhaul? It would be interesting to hear how your setup does as you fly off your hours. Regards, Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 14:35:00 GMT From: "R.H.Mole -Richard Mole" Subject: KR: Mark Langford Kr listers, Mark is working in the UK for the rest of the month but is having trouble with communications. His provider cannot provide him with a local UK node and so any connection is at the expense of a transatlantic phone call. Its plain stupid. In the meantime, unless he emails the list to say he's sorted the problem, he asks that you don't email him direct until he gets home. Mark has now done about 3hrs 30mins in my Jodel D18 which is, wait for it, powered by a Limbach derivative of the VW (total time 504 hrs in 30 months)! Richard Mole R.H.Mole@open.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:07:42 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: More Engine Choices? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_0000003F.01BD353A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KRnetheads, At the risk of starting WWIII on the KRnet, I was wondering if any has = heard of using a Honda Gold Wing engine as a basis for A/C use? In = thumbing through old Kitplanes mags, I found just such a thing (May 1993 = Engine Beat). A company called Sandpiper Aire of Tucson was developing = a package with a 1200 cc engine with stock transmission and a prop hub = adapter for around $2700. This engine develops 100 hp and weighs 268 lbs = (about the same as a Cont 0200) The idea of a 5 speed transmission on = an airplane sounds interesting. Anyway, does anyone know what came of = this? Progress: Cleaning out the garage in preparation for building the = worktable. Currently modifing the KR2S design on AutoCad LT. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_0000003F.01BD353A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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At the risk of starting WWIII on the = KRnet, I=20 was wondering if any has heard of using a Honda Gold Wing engine as a = basis for=20 A/C use?  In thumbing through old Kitplanes mags, I found just such = a thing=20 (May 1993 Engine Beat).  A company called Sandpiper Aire of Tucson = was=20 developing a package with a 1200 cc engine with stock transmission and a = prop=20 hub adapter for around $2700. This engine develops 100 hp and weighs 268 = lbs=20 (about the same as a Cont 0200)  The idea of a 5 speed transmission = on an=20 airplane sounds interesting.  Anyway, does anyone know what came of = this?
 
Progress:  Cleaning out the = garage in=20 preparation for building the worktable.  Currently modifing the = KR2S design=20 on AutoCad LT.
 
 
Tim Anderson
Stockton, CA
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