From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 1:39 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #38 krnet-l-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:04:55 EST From: XZOSTD1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Foam tips YESYES!!! Foam and glass tips are easily fixed. Hooking the end of the spar without the sacrificial tips would result in major damage. ( (Ya think???) Bill Huntley Green Bay, Wi. KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:24:10 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Bohemian Coolness I have to say that the first time I ever saw an auto conversion was a VW in a KR and I was in love with the idea that the "System" could be beat with the low-cost VW motor. The "System" being the manufacturers of the outdated, overweight, inefficient and way overpriced aircraft engines. I've got an 1835 CC GP VW no elec but I'm concerned that it will be too light at 135lbs for even solo in my KR2S. Maybe I'll have to lengthen the motor mount four inches to compensate. Question: I have the standard VW motor mount, could I just put 4"sq x 16" runners behind them and bolts all the way through the firewall? I think lengthening the mount 4" would make it too long and spindly. Question: Does anyone know where I could get a 4" longer mount made? - -Tom in Orlando ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:09:53 EST From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: 2TC- VW =0AIn a message dated 2/10/98 5:04:11 AM, you wrote:=0A=0A<>=0A=0AI=92ve been seriously considering going this route. How= did you install the=0Aservo, run wires, etc. I think many of us would be= interested in hearing more,=0Asince it appears to be working well.=0A=0A= Thanks,=0ASteve Horn=0AHorn2004@aol.com=0ADallas, TX=0A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:56:10 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Lost Newsletters. Ok gang, my "off the KRnet" e-mail was flooded. There is obviously tremendous interest in the Dead Sea KR Newsletters. I am going to make copies for Brian Bland bbland@busprod.com, West Coast, Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com, East Coast and Esko Lempola in Finland, That Half of The World, one for me and send the originals to Oscar. That's 2000 plus pages as this book is 516 pages long plus the index. The index will take you to whatever subject you want. I'll mail them out by this weekend. I don't know if you can even buy these from anyone anymore so I don't know if there is a problem with this, but the information in these is too important not to get distributed. Wait until you see these, it's impressive. Brian, I believe Marvin McCoy at mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net is next for you and Steve, Ron DeWees was the first to hit from the east coast, rdewees@juno.com Hey, if there is a problem with this we can do it off the KRnet. Guys, get on the list with these other guys because as of this weekend, I'll only have one "copy" here. Enjoy! Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:37:19 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Forward Deck In a message dated 98-02-11 02:11:29 EST, you write: << What has everyone else done? > >Thank you in advance for everyones valued opinions. > I contoured the shelve to fit behind the firewall. Actually I didn't have to remove much, just round the corners. >> Alan, Same thing here, it didn't involve much removal of material mor e just contouring. I suppose what you did would work fine though. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:40:29 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Bohemian motor mounts You wrote: >Question: >Does anyone know where I could get a 4" longer mount made? >-Tom in Orlando > Hey, Tom- What I have seen done on several people's machines is they have inserted turned alum. "spindles" or "bushings" between the mounts and the engine, or between the mounts and the firewall, to extend the engine forward the required distance. Then you use longer bolts to go the distance. Don't think you need to have a new mount made up, but it can be done. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:46:23 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Newsletter copyright Netters- I believe there was a post here from somebody who said that they had checked on copyright, and that some of the old newsletters had gone "in the public domain"? Am I dreaming here? Sorry to hash this out here, I'm working with Dana and Steve to get these in electronic format for posterity (Adobe Acrobat; thank you Mr. de la Cool Covington)... but sure don't want to cross some legal issues. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:51:25 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Kobus' spreadsheet Um, Kobus- you missed one little ".com" right here: | | V >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/performance.htm for people to find your excellent spreadsheet. Thanks! Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:57:46 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: 2TC- VW In a message dated 98-02-11 05:32:01 EST, you write: << I’ve been seriously considering going this route. How did you install the servo, run wires, etc. I think many of us would be interested in hearing more, since it appears to be working well. Thanks, Steve Horn >> Steve, I don't know how his is run but I'll let you know how I ran mine, maybe you will get two different ideas to work with. I mounted my MAC unit onto a piece of angle 6061 with the short side being just slightly narrower that the elevator front spar. I bolted the entire assembly to the spar. I then ran the wire along the rear of the spar and out the elevator. I encased the wire then in a small piece of fuel tubing and using a small clamp and small screw, I attached this to the inside of the rear upper spar of the vertical stab. I left a small loop inside the vertical stab for movement, but since the exit point on the elevator is near the pivot point of the elevator, you don't need to leave a lot of excess wire for your loop and there is not much movement. I also looped a length of wire around the MAC unit itself so that if I ever had to take the unit out or replace it, I would have the wire. This will all be covered up with a plate and the trim is activated by using about a four inch piece of threaded rod. The wire is them simply run along the inside of the fuselage. If this is confusing, let me know and I'll get a picture or two posted on my web page. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:28:26 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: 2TC- VW Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/10/98 5:04:11 AM, you wrote: > > < WOW- what a difference! It really works well and is well built. My > advice to others- dont bother with that Nyrod crap, spend the bucks and > get a real trim system, you will be glad you did, and it would be much > easier to install while you are building.>> > > I’ve been seriously considering going this route. How did you install the > servo, run wires, etc. I think many of us would be interested in hearing more, > since it appears to be working well. > > Thanks, > Steve Horn > Horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX Steve, If you install it before you put the aft deck on, it would be very easy. I had to learn the hard way. (Follow the directions, do it like they say, get mad because it doesnt work, rip it all out and try something else.) This seems to be a permanent part of my learning curve. Since I had to fit it with the aft deck on, I pulled the inner Nyrod out, and used the outer sheath to snake the wires for the new unit thru the H.S. to the elevator. I got lucky and they went thru- tight fit tho. I then used my Dremel (dont leave home without it) to cut out an approx. 5" X 5" hole on the underside of the elevator, aft of the spar. I made a simple AL bracket and attatched it to the spar. I then made a cover plate out of .030 AL. The wiring is simple, I just used an in line fuse since it only requires a 1 amp fuse. It comes with a nifty LED position indicator to mount in the panel- Nippers work well here. Also comes with a nice switch to put somewhere. If you look at the Kitplanes article on KR-Kosh, they show a picture of Jeff Scott's conrol stick. The switch on top is for the MAC. I plan to use a similar setup, now I need to find a nice grip. By the way, When I ordered it, I had no idea which unit to get (they make 3 different ones with different lengths of travel) so I got the S6A that has .095" of travel. You the just vary the length of the control horn on the trim tab to get the proper amt. of travel. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:17:01 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: KR: MAC Servo Installation Tom Crawford wrote: > > If you install it before you put the aft deck on, it would be very > easy. I had to learn the hard way. (Follow the directions, do it like > they say, get mad because it doesnt work, rip it all out and try > something else.) This seems to be a permanent part of my learning > curve. Since I had to fit it with the aft deck on, I pulled the inner > Nyrod out, and used the outer sheath to snake the wires for the new > unit thru the H.S. to the elevator. I got lucky and they went thru- > tight fit tho. I then used my Dremel (dont leave home without it) to > cut out an approx. 5" X 5" hole on the underside of the elevator, aft > of the spar. I made a simple AL bracket and attatched it to the spar. > I then made a cover plate out of .030 AL. I'm trying to keep the elevator as light as possible since I plan to mass balance it. Could you mount the servo in the stab, and use a short piece of nyrod(or bowden cable if you don't want to use RC parts) to actuate the tab? At least then the nyrod would have a straight shot to the control horn. IIRC from my RC days, multiple turns tend to cause problems with nyrod. Patrick Working on the tailfeathers - -- Patrick Flowers Tyrone, GA Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:37:01 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: TOP SECRET Area 51 photo Just found this TOP SECRET photo of Mike Mims next project. The researchers concluded that it must be Mike's next plane since the power to weight ratio is consistent with Mike's design philosophy. THought you all might like a view of the TOP SECRET work going on at Chino Skunk Works. Steve Eberhart TOP SECRET photo: http://www.newtech.com/mike.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:27:21 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Flight manual (performance charts) Kobus wrote: >Hi guy the progress on the KR-2 is painfully slow but the Flight Manual is >comming on fine have a look at this page for the loadsheets and performance >graphs. The data for the performance graphs is derived from a spreadsheat >that my cousin drew up. >As you change any thing from Height to OAT to weight or even HP and prop >pitch, the graphs changes automatically. >This sheet will be available as soon as I can convince him that it is for a >goob cause. > >http://home.intekom/kobusdw/performance.htm Good work, Kobus! Calculated baselines are the points from which we initially evaluate actual performance, and it looks like you've got a good baseline. What's your cousin's email address, I'll bet a flood of interested KRNet email might convince him to share! I also have a set of charts produced by a spreadsheet developed over about 10 years by a KR builder named Bob Lee. I've received his permission to send his spreadsheet to anyone that wants it. It's a 2.5M Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet, and can't be imported to Excel (believe me, I've tried). It's very dynamic in that it lets you input all of your engine specifications, turbo/nonturbo, prop efficiency, max gross weight, etc etc to allow you to produce a set of graphs tailored specifically to your airplane. It does use the RAF 48 airfoil for it's performance calculations, however, so those of you looking to use the alternate airfoils may only find it marginally useful without some modification. I'll get it posted on my web site within the next couple of days, at http://members.aol.com/eaglegator. If you can't wait that long, send me a private email and I'll send it to you directly. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:42:13 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter copyright At 03:46 AM 2/11/98 PST, you wrote: > >Netters- > >I believe there was a post here from somebody who said that they had >checked on copyright, and that some of the old newsletters had gone "in >the public domain"? Am I dreaming here? > >Sorry to hash this out here, I'm working with Dana and Steve to get >these in electronic format for posterity (Adobe Acrobat; thank you Mr. >de la Cool Covington)... but sure don't want to cross some legal issues. > Any newsletter that was written by Ernie Koppe is available for distribution. He gave us permission to do pretty much what ever we want with them (I was there) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:05:01 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Newsletter copyright info for TPMan In a message dated 98-02-11 06:47:21 EST, Commode-man wrote: << I believe there was a post here from somebody who said that they had checked on copyright, and that some of the old newsletters had gone "in the public domain"? Am I dreaming here? >> Oscar: I spoke with Ernie Koppe personally at the last KRKosh. He told me he held all rights to the Newsletters that he produced and was making them unconditionally available to any person interested in them at no cost. He said much of the history and information they contained was too important to not be shared freely. That’s the story - and I’m sticking to it… Frickoid BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA PS - CHINOKosh is shaping up. Are you coming? RR is. Be there 2/28/98. Email me direct it you have questions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:49:54 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR:Engine Choices Richard Parker wrote: > > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 > >knots at 35,000 ft. > >I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that > >the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual > >ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with > >the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? > > Where are you going to put the fuel? I think that if you put a recepticle on the fwd deck, or one high on the aft deck, you could manage to refuel in the air with a KC-135. - -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:38:25 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter copyright info for TPMan In a message dated 98-02-11 12:05:53 EST, you write: << I spoke with Ernie Koppe personally at the last KRKosh. He told me he held all rights to the Newsletters that he produced and was making them unconditionally available to any person interested in them at no cost. He said much of the history and information they contained was too important to not be shared freely. That’s the story - and I’m sticking to it… Frickoid >> I checked these copies of back issues and it looks like we're good for the issues from 9/75 to 12/82, with Ernest Koppe being the publisher of these. The issues from 12/82 thru the end at 8/84 were published by John Forrester of Forrester Aviation Supply & Technology. I'm sticking to my guns here and will make copies of all the issues, Oscar I don't know, we can talk about it off the KRnet. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:38:35 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Insurance for Subaru and VW The following came up on the Europa email list. THought you might be=20 interrested in AVEMCO's position on Subaru and VW powered planes. Steve Eberhart - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:39:01 +0000 From: Rowland and Wilma Carson To: Europa e-mail list Subject: Europa_Mail: Subaru engine problems in USA I saw this item about Subaru engines on the rec.aviation.homebuilt usenet newsgroup and thought it might be of interest to the Europa community. Although it doesn't offer a solution to problems, at least there's a clue about where to start looking. >From: "Bruce A. Frank" >Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt >Subject: Homebuilt Insurance >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:44:51 -0800 > >There was mention in the Soob group about some problems with insurance >for Soob powered homebuilts. I decided to go straight to the horse's >mouth, so to speak, and called Avemco. The following is what I posted to >the subscription group from what I had learned. >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Taking the lead from this discussion I called Avemco about coverage of >homebuilt aircraft. I talked to Jim Nelson who is the writer for >homebuilts. He told me that due to three engine out crashes, last year, >of Soob powered homebuilts that Avemco will no longer provide hull >insurance for the first 100 hours. This policy applies to Soobs, and all >other V-6 and V-8 aero conversions and insurance coverage after 100 may >not be available unless the engine was built by a commercial engine >builder(such as Stratus). He said that from their investigation the >failures appear to be related to coil failures. Seems that the coils >quit when mounted in a high temperature location, but that when these >enginnes were retrieved from the accident aircraft and placed on a test >stand they ran just fine. > >VW engines (built by the commertial builders that Avemco recognizes)are >exempt in the 100 hour non-coverage policy. >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >I have not been in this Soob discussion group for very long and was >unaware of these incidents and their impact on Avemco's insurance. Any >comments? > >-- >Bruce A. Frank, Editor "Ford 3.8L Engine and V-6 STOL >BAFRANK@worldnet.att.net Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter" > | Publishing interesting material| > | on all aspects of alternative | > | engines and homebuilt aircraft.| >*------------------------------**----* > \(-o-)/ AIRCRAFT PROJECTS CO. > \___/ Manufacturing parts & pieces > / \ for homebuilt aircraft, > 0 0 TIG welding > >While trying to find the time to finish mine. Wilma & Rowland Carson e-mail: rowil@gn.apc.org ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ______________________________________________________________________ The Europa List is supported by Aviators Network UK - info@avnet.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:39:09 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: RE: Kobus' spreadsheet Sorry about that. I think that as the BIG 50 gets closer (3 July) the typing and copy reading gets worse. Kobus de Wet From Sunny Cape Town South Africa ZS-WPX http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [SMTP:taildrags@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 February, 1998 13:51 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Kobus' spreadsheet Um, Kobus- you missed one little ".com" right here: | | V >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/performance.htm for people to find your excellent spreadsheet. Thanks! Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:27:43 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Ref: KR: TOP SECRET http://www.newtech.com/mike.jpg Like Adrian says, te, he, he, he. Now that's your big block. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:22:29 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Traveling Resource Library. Upon recommendation from Frick, or was that Frack, well anyway-Randy we have come up with a name-Traveling Resource Library. This will be somewhat of a repeat but before this weekend is over I will have mailed out a copy to Brian Bland bbland@busprod.com and Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com and Esko in Finland esko.lempola@ici.fi. If you are one of the many who have contacted me, do me a favor and forward your e-mail to Brian (west coast), Steve (east coast) or Esko (Europe) and this thing can make it's rounds. I'm going to be a little busy making copies and I wouldn't want to forget and forward someone's name and address. Some of the more interesting ideas I've found so far are: using turnbuckles to square the fuselage sides prior to the installation of the belly crossmembers, wood rudder pedals with toe brakes for mechanical brakes, an EZ muffler using an old propane cylinder, rudder trim using two pulleys, one spring and a tension knob on the panel attached to a rudder pedal and get this, a bracket for folding your wings that attaches to your wing attach fittings. There's drawings of all these but these things include even foot pound info based on metric bolt size and bolt weights. It's going to be worth your time to make a copy of these yourself and send the text one along to the next person. Good Reading Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:16:31 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Traveling Resource Library. Dana wrote: >It's going to be >worth your time to make a copy of these yourself and send the text one along >to the next person. Yeah, or else wait till I get it scanned and put on CD-ROM and spare yourself a dry ink cartridge and a couple reams of paper for your X*rox copier. I'll sell you a CD-ROM for a nominal fee (ahem!), the bulk of which I plan to plow back into the KRNet operating fund, or to the NLF fund... whichever is undersubscribed at the time. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:20:50 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR:Engine Choices What no tail hook? Ron DeWees Atlanta ga On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:49:54 -0800 Ross Youngblood writes: >Richard Parker wrote: > >> > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at >450 >> >knots at 35,000 ft. >> >I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so >that >> >the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual >> >ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers >with >> >the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? >> >> Where are you going to put the fuel? > > I think that if you put a recepticle on the fwd deck, or one high on >the >aft deck, you >could manage to refuel in the air with a KC-135. > >-- Regards > Ross > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:12 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Wing Incidence Flight Test Data I just got off the phone with Marty Roberts. He and Jean Veron have been doing some flight testing with the stock wing vs. the Diehl wing on Marty's airplane. I don't want to steal any of Jean's thunder, as he is going to post the complete data (at least that's what Marty told me, Jean!!!), but the results will interest everyone. The general result was that the Diehl wing had more of a nose low tendancy than the stock wing, so reducing the incidence of the KR-2S wing appears to be the way to go. Not a new idea, but now there is flight test data to support the theories we have been working with. The other interesting thing is that despite the longer wing, there was no decrease in max speed. At 10,000', Marty and Jean were making about 175 mph at 2700 rpm (~65% power) with both sets of wings. Climb performance was 1000 fpm with both wings up to 5,000', but the Diehl wing had a 25% better performance at 10,000' (750 fpm vs. 600 fpm). Thanks to Jean and Marty for their data! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:52:16 -0600 From: "Randy Stout" Subject: KR: Re: Traveling Resource Library. Oscar Please put me on the list for a copy of the CD when you get finished. Thanks Randy Stout - San Antonio TX r5t0ut@flash.net - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 7:18 PM Subject: KR: Traveling Resource Library. > >Dana wrote: > >>It's going to be >>worth your time to make a copy of these yourself and send the text one >along >>to the next person. > >Yeah, or else wait till I get it scanned and put on CD-ROM and spare >yourself a dry ink cartridge and a couple reams of paper for your X*rox >copier. I'll sell you a CD-ROM for a nominal fee (ahem!), the bulk of >which I plan to plow back into the KRNet operating fund, or to the NLF >fund... whichever is undersubscribed at the time. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:02:45 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: New Rotary Power I found this on a ultralight list. I visited the site. Seems very impressive.... Jim Hayward - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check out Moller's Rotapower engine. It's a rotary which is supposed to havesome kind of wonderful space-age seals and uses NO oil. It puts out 150 hp and weighs 135 lbs. I'd love to put one of these into a Rans S-10... http://www.moller.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:02:07 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: my website Hey I wanted to ask a favor of you netters if I may. I have been checking the stats on my web site for the past few months and it looks like maybe some people have set my web site as their default web page (web site comes up when they launch their browser) and its causing an incredible amount of hits on my site. AS flattering as this is it causes one problem. Pacbell only allows 500 meg of throughput a month and then they cut the site off until the following month! Anyway if you have my site set as your default could you please change it? Not that I don't want people visiting my site but if you use my page as a starting page then you are taking away from others who may get locked out at the end of every month. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:56:54 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Re: Mechanical brakes. Thanks for the reply . I've seen the Azusa wheels, with hydraulic option, in Steve Bennett's catalogue and wondered if anyone was using them. Are you using the 5/8 or 3/4 dia. axles? What had to be machined off.? Are you using the individual heel brake horizontal cylinders Steve shows or some vertical type like Matco.? Best REgards Chris Gardiner At 07:32 AM 2/10/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-10 00:44:55 EST, you write: > ><<<< Does anyone have suggestions/comments about using the Azusa wheels with >mechanical b.rakes.? > > > The price of the Cleveland 500x5 's is pretty scary these days. >> > >I have never rode in a KR with mechanical brakes. I am sure there are people >on the list who still use these and see no need to change. The only thing I >have heard is that it is difficult to keep the drums round and this causes >uneven braking. If you do not want to go with Cleveland, which are great >brakes and you get what you pay for, Steve Bennett @ Great Plains >1-800-922-6507 offers hydraulic brake setup of which you can use your Azusa >wheels. I am using these and all I had to do was a little machine work on the >axles. Troy has these same cylinders and says that he has been unable to get >all the air out but this has not been a problem. In addition with the pad >being an axle wraparound setup, heat transfer is somewhat diminished, >resulting in decreased braking ability if you stay on the brakes for any >length of time, but again he hasn't run through any fences (on the airport, >te, he, he, he, he'll kill me for this). > > 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Regional Sales Manager................. Schlumberger Electricity Division...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR cgardiner@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:45:49 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: TOP SECRET Area 51 photo At 08:37 AM 2/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >Just found this TOP SECRET photo of Mike Mims next project.>>>>> Damn those X file fanatics and their cameras! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:06:04 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: KR: Got the plans FINALLY GOT THE PLANS !!! Went to sleep at 4:30 a.m. ! Ciao, Michele (now reading the plans) P.S. Sorry for the bandwith use, but I have to share this with somebody - -- MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Michele Bucceri E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:40:24 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:New Rotary Power > I found this on a ultralight list. I visited the site. Seems very >impressive.... > Jim Hayward > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- - - - - > Check out Moller's Rotapower engine. > http://www.moller.com/ The engine sounds great, looks great. Seems to have been made very reliable, and since it is going into the most experimental of aircraft and touted as reliable, I find the below from the FAQ somewhat troublesome. I realize homebuilders like to take nice safe things and make them unsafe, but I haven't heard of VW getting sued for one of its engines being in an airplane...But the Skycar may be the wave of the future; and I like the Private Pilot license requirement, as flying (safely) does take some skill. :) At least somebody might offer this engine as an aviation component, but I bet they jack up the price too. :( KRNet can make our own conversion though eh? :) Then we can buy 'em as boat motors. Robert Covington From the Moller Engine FAQ: >Can I purchase Rotapower engines for homebuilt aircraft? >Due to liability concerns, MI doesn't plan to sell aircraft engines. Our >engines will be sold for non-aviation applications. A number of >interested parties plan to market marine engines with aviation >conversion kits, however, thereby assuming all liability. When the >engine becomes publicly available, information on Rotapower distributors >will be posted on our web page. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:45:06 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Got the plans >FINALLY GOT THE PLANS !!! >Went to sleep at 4:30 a.m. ! > >P.S. Sorry for the bandwith use, but I have to share this with somebody >Michele Bucceri >E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it Glad to hear it Michele. Now on to the spruce? :) Sorry, but "Bob's Bag O; Gussets" isn't a reality just yet. :) Still working on it. Robert Covington t88@primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:15:30 -0500 From: jerry Subject: Re: KR: Bohemian Coolness Will a 1835 power a Kr2s ???? I am just wondering Tom Andersen wrote: > I have to say that the first time I ever saw an auto conversion was a VW > in a KR and I was in love with the idea that the "System" could be beat > with the low-cost VW motor. The "System" being the manufacturers of the > outdated, overweight, inefficient and way overpriced aircraft engines. > I've got an 1835 CC GP VW no elec but I'm concerned that it will be too > light at 135lbs for even solo in my KR2S. Maybe I'll have to lengthen > the motor mount four inches to compensate. > Question: > I have the standard VW motor mount, could I just put 4"sq x 16" runners > behind them and bolts all the way through the firewall? I think > lengthening the mount 4" would make it too long and spindly. > Question: > Does anyone know where I could get a 4" longer mount made? > -Tom in Orlando ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:52:06 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: my winter vaction... Richard Mole wrote: > Mark is working in the UK for the rest of the month but is having trouble > with communications. His provider cannot provide him with a local UK node... KRNetHeads, Reports of my electronic demise may have been slightly premature. I finally smartened up and learned how to do email from Wales. First step is to find a clean line to the outside world. I had been going thru the company "switchboard", but I'm smarter now, and have run a dedicated extension cord seruptitiously to my work area. They DID say "use the phone as if it were yours". So hopefully, I'll be joining you as soon as I can ready the rest of these 240 emails. What is it with you guys? I leave for one week and the place falls apart! I'm still solidly behind the Type 4, but I guess I should wait and and see before I go too far on that subject. So maybe Mike's made up his mind about which engine to use at last? I'll admit that I expect to do more maintenance that you would with a certified engine, but I kinda like taking things apart and seeing how they're doing. I'd like to say that Richard Mole treated me to one outstanding welcome to England. He flew down and let me fly his Jodel around the coastline of the Gower Penninsula (reportedly England's finest beaches), then invited me to spend the night at his place near Lester, and let me fly the whole way there! I got a view of England that is just plain unsurpassed, mostly at about 1000-1500 feet above the hedgerows. Despite the similarlity between his Jodel and the KR, I had no problem flying this plane as if I'd done it all my life, with not a hint of pitch sensitivity. I had dinner with Richard and his wife Boo, and spent the rest of the evening discussing KRs and the English system in their beautiful "converted barn". I got such an insight into the UK way of life in one short evening. Next day, he flew me back again, treating me to another view of playing the odds with Engish clouds and winds. I can't possibly thank him enough for that opportunity. He and his wife are incredibly "good people". I also discovered that he's something of a leader in the homebuilt arena in the UK, having published several articles on Jodel construction methodology, among other topics. His Jodel has garnered a wall full of "outstanding workmanship" trophies, among others, and has made the cover of Britain's Popular Flying Association magazine already. What an achiever. Thanks a million, Richard. Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S construction at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #38 ****************************