From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 11:11 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #39 krnet-l-digest Friday, February 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:49:43 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: krnet-l-digest V2 #38 This email just came with a winmail.dat file, but no digest. How do I get the digest text? Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:51:55 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: KRnet digest V2 #38 If anyone got a good copy of this digest, could you please forward me a copy? All I got was a winmail.dat file, no digest. Thanks! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:05:45 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: my winter vaction... At 17:52 2/11/98 -0600, Mark Langford wrote: >... He flew down and let me fly his Jodel around the coastline of the >Gower Penninsula (reportedly England's finest beaches), then invited me to >spend the night at his place near Lester, and let me fly the whole way >there! ... >Mark Langford Hehe...that's Leicester, pronounced ..er.. "Lester". Main claim to fame? They developed the DNA fingerprinting method for Scotland Yard at the college there, if I recall - - now in use here too... (like you really wanted to know about this) Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:59:57 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: New B & A (no archive) KRNetheads: I hereby respectfully nominate Richard Mole as Committee Chairperson of the brand new KRNet Bed & Airplane program. With the fine hospitality he showered on Mark Langford (read: "I’m jealous"), I’m of the opinion that he should open up his reservation system to all of us KRNetters. I am even willing to be the first "customer" to make a reservation. Do I hear a second for this motion? Next, we’ll start a "Frequent Annoyer" program so I can use all of the credits I have obviously accumulate for airline mileage to get over to Richard’s B & A. Randy (Nomex Shorts) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:59:48 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: New (?) Rotary Power - nope In a message dated 98-02-12 01:04:00 EST, Jim wrote: << Check out Moller's Rotapower engine. It's a rotary which is supposed to havesome kind of wonderful space-age seals and uses NO oil. It puts out 150 hp and weighs 135 lbs. I'd love to put one of these into a Rans S-10... http://www.moller.com/ >> Jim: Interesting site, I agree. However, they are like Zoche, many years of "..coming soon" but never any progress beyond that. BTW, they are steadfastly, and publicly, against anything connected with experimental aviation. Randy Stein AKA Frickoid BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:12:00 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New (?) Rotary Power - nope At 11:59 AM 2/12/98 EST, you wrote: >BTW, they are steadfastly, and publicly, against anything connected with >experimental aviation. > >Randy Stein >AKA Frickoid That's to bad Frick! Hey I am heading out to the hanger in an hour or so should be there all day if you find yourself bored on this beautiful Southern California Thursday! Pager 714-737-3468 That goes for you to Covington Qual! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:21:43 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Plans. WOW.. you are in a great mood.. Can't tell you how much that will help. I got the local EAA advisor to come and see my projects and he signed off the first visit with no problem so now all I have to do is keep up the "excellent" work he noted in the inspection. That will be easier with the plans to look at.. Address is as follows: Ron DeWees 999 Rosedale Road NE Atlanta,Ga 30306 How is your KR++ going ? Will you fly it to Sun in Fun this year? I am going but will probobly camp out with CAP guys for the first few days then go back home. I am on 2nd week of convalescence from double inguinal hernia surgery. You guys facing 50 better reconsider. I just finished hemorrhoid surgery and will run out of stuff to repair and have to go do a bit of work before too long. Thanks again .. ROn On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:32:24 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 98-02-10 12:56:25 EST, you write: > ><< Hope you still have a set.. I have projects and > templates but no plans. Glad to pay for the costs and shipping. > Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga >> > >Boy I am in a giving mood or what :-) Only kidding. Ron send me you >mailing >address, I ended up with three books of plans, for free, along with >all the KR >newsletters. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, Ky >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:54:35 -0500 From: "Mark Seastrand" Subject: KR: new guy Hello everyone, I'm new to your group and I'm presently trying to empty my garage for future building. Is there anybody down here in southern maryland near the Paxtuent River Naval Air Station either building or have a finished KR? I work at the base and I'm presently working on converting the F-14's so they are Night Vision Goggle compatible. I thought I might try and make my aircraft NVIS compatible also, cool aircraft lighting, and I'll add a camera for recon. I hope it will get off the ground. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:21:07 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: URGENT I think! Sports fans, I was out at the hanger today getting ready to mount up the WAFs that I bought from RR a few days ago and discovered something strange. I already had two WAFs that were made by Ken Brock so I only bought 6 from Janette to make up a set for the outer wings. Anyway I notice the new ones look much different that the Ken Brock units (quality looked to be much less) so I asked if these new ones were from Ken and Janette said no and didn't bother to say where they were from. They seem to have an almost chrome like finish and the edges of the fitting was very rough (like the die was dull). Anyway she assured me they were 4130 so I went on my way. Well today just for the hell of it I grabbed one of the chrome looking WAFs and tried to bend it (yes just with my bear hands) and was surprised to find these things were VERY soft!! I could bend it in a U shape if I tried! I remembered back to the 4130 WAFs I made and I know I couldn't bend those ones what so ever! So I tried to bend one of the Ken Brock units and with all my might I could not even begin to deform the fitting!! So I tried another one of the chrome WAFs and once again I was able to bend it with no problem!!! Something aint right here folks! What's up with this picture? Any of you engineer types care to comment on WAFs that are what I would call MILD steel? I called RR but they had closed shop for the day and of course they are closed on Friday so if they don't call me back I wont know anything until next Monday. One thing I do know is I AINT USING THESE THINGS!! Does anyone have Ken Brocks number? I need to call him to try and find out why RR is not using his WAFs any longer but more importantly to see if he will sell me 6 to replace these things I got from RR. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: New Guy Welcome to the KR world Mark. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:13:01 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: URGENT I think! On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:21:07 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have Ken Brocks number? I need to call him to try and find = out >why RR is not using his WAFs any longer but more importantly to see if = he >will sell me 6 to replace these things I got from RR. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now Mike: Ken Brock Mfg. 11852 Western Ave Stanton, CA 90680 714/898-4366 fax 714/894-0811 Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:59:50 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New (?) Rotary Power - nope In a message dated 98-02-12 12:05:41 EST, you write: << Interesting site, I agree. However, they are like Zoche, many years of "..coming soon" but never any progress beyond that. >> Thanks for the comment, Randy. I didn't realize they had been around that long. Here I was gettin' real excited over nuthin'!! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:36:35 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: KR: Bendable wing fittings.... It would be coreecr to ask RRT for their Quality Checks on the fittings MM bought. This is more serious than just replacing the obvious crap he bought. How many of us would deliberately bend newly purchased parts? There are too mant pieces in an airplane which we cannot test; must depend on vendoors to provide appropriate quality. Thank s Mike.. Ron Freiberger KR2S in Fort Myers (aka Paradise) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:58:48 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: Forward Deck This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BD367F.D4825660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, The corners get only slightly rounded to fit the contour and there is = really not much removed. All the best! Marty - -----Original Message----- From: Alan Moat To: krnet Date: 10 February, 1998 21:38 Subject: KR: Forward Deck =20 =20 I have been working on my templates for the front deck while waiting = for spring. I cut out a firewall template per the plans. When I held = it up to the firewall supports it did not cover everything. The upper = shearweb and its blocking hung out around the template. =20 Is the shearweb and its blocking supposed to be contoured to the = firewall template? Seems to me that you need all the strength in this = area you can get, so I went ahead and made a new template that will = cover everything. =20 What has everyone else done? =20 Thank you in advance for everyones valued opinions. =20 Alan Moat flowery branch taom@randomc.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BD367F.D4825660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
The corners = get only=20 slightly rounded to fit the contour and there is really not = much
removed. 
All the best!   Marty 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Alan Moat <taom@randomc.com>
To: = krnet=20 <krnet-l@teleport.com>
D= ate:=20 10 February, 1998 21:38
Subject: KR: Forward=20 Deck

I have been working on my = templates=20 for the front deck while waiting for spring.  I cut out a = firewall=20 template per the plans.  When I held it up to the firewall = supports it=20 did not cover everything.  The upper shearweb and its blocking = hung out=20 around the template.
 
 Is the shearweb and = its=20 blocking supposed to be contoured to the firewall template?  = Seems to=20 me that you need all the strength in this area you can get, so I = went ahead=20 and made a new template that will cover everything.
 
 What has everyone = else=20 done?
 
Thank you in advance for = everyones valued=20 opinions.
 
Alan Moat
flowery = branch
taom@randomc.com
- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BD367F.D4825660-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:48:12 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter copyright >I believe there was a post here from somebody who said that they had >checked on copyright, and that some of the old newsletters had gone "in >the public domain"? Am I dreaming here? I think it was not that the old newsletters were public domain -- which would require far longer than the KR has been around -- but that Ernst Koppe, the editor of the oldest (and perhaps most innovative) Newsletters has given permission to reproduce them. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:48:21 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: More Engine Choices? >This is for VW people. > >I've failed to get in on the VW discussions because I know little about >engines and I figured that some authority would come on the line. None the > >less, after living with the VeeDub animal for 14 years, I have at least >gained insight and formulated opinions. Please don't be offended if I'm >wrong. Come on the line with better facts. Patrick, Steve, Hovarth, .... >where are you? > > >>At 07:08 PM 12/7/1997 +0000, Dorothea Keats (Chris Walterson) wrote: >>>Regarding the reliability of the VW, ..............the main problem I >found was >with the heads. the dual port may hold up better. >> >>> The small spark plug holes in the dual ignition models usually strip >>>sooner or later if heli coils are not used. >> >>>Flying the Dragonfly with >>>only the 60 hp is kinda marginal in my opinion. > > > >1. There are all sorts of VW configurations and .... yes ... some you sure > >can swear at and some you can swear by. It's primarilly a matter of >knowledge. > >2. VW problems have rarely resulted in total power failures and fatalities. > >Feed 'em fuel and spark and they usually get you home. There have been >countless power failures caused by lack of fuel; guess who caused those. > > >3. There is an exception to the paragraph above .... catastrophic shaft >failures. Years ago, one of the first 5 HAPI 2180's failed right after >installation. HAPI recalled all five and replaced the shafts. > >Cast shafts (primarilly in Sonerais) or shafts that have had prop strikes > >and were not magnafluxed have broken. It's really amazing that with all the > >MK I broken canards and prop strikes that we haven't had more shafts break. > > >Scat shafts delivered in the past 6-8 years (like the 82mm that most of us > >now use in the big engines) are forged and don't break. They are fantastic > >with the Force One hub and big bearing/seal. > >3. Most of us, like Chris, have found it impossible to keep the valves >seated in the HAPI 1835 and early Revmaster single port heads. I'm talking > >10 not 100 hours until leakage. We flew those 1835s all over the country but > >the valve situation was totally unsat. > >Hydraulic valve lifters do not correct the problem. > >When I went to dual port heads in the big 2180 the valve problems went away. > >Completely! I know not why. > >4. Yes, Chris, is correct. The small lower plugs in the single port heads do > >strip out; it's may be best to helicoil them as I did but since I started to > >use thread lube no plugs, big or small, have given me trouble in any heads. > >This covers about 12 years of flying. > >5. Type I crankcases: The standard magnesium cases will not tolerate high > >compression ratios and big cubes ,i.e.over 2 L. (I don't know about the >engines built with aluminum cases vice magnesium cases or engines with >counter-balanced shafts.) > >When set up much above 8 or 8.5:1, 2180s seem to last about 200 hours or so > >and then the main bearing-carrying webs start to break internally from >fatique. This problem usually gives fair warning; the engine starts loosing > >oil from a case crack in the front right face. The crack opens more and more > >causing progressive oil leakage. > >I've been told that the 2080 Revmasters will do this (8.5:1 CR) but I can't > >substantiate the fact. > >If I remember right, I think Steve Bennett told me to hold the CR below 8:1 > >or 7.5:1 for some fuels. He has engines over thousand hours without this >problem. > >4. A 2180 really corrects the anemic ROC. Don't expect much better top >speed. The "cubed HP rule" reigns. But you climb faster and get to altitude > >so much quicker ... then you can profit from full cruise speed. > >5. Ignitions: Those of us who got the early HAPIs with one TSOed (Slick) >magneto and one electronic system never lacked reliability. I love that dual > >system. And it's easy to maintain by the builder. > >Maybe some people flying the latest Revmasters can help us here if I error. > >The old single-drive dual Bendix mag systems seemed pretty darn good. On the > >other hand, the new Revmaster dual electronic system has not impressed me >favorably. When I first saw this system I liked it. There are 8 coils >located next to the 8 plugs. But then I learned more. The electronic brains > >are sealed in the casting bolted to the back of the engine. The builder gets > >no field maintainance info to speak of. The owner or engine must go back to > >the factory for help. Jim DeBay has had nothing but nightmares with his for > >the past 6 months and considers it non-maintainable. > >6. Another thing that Jim found .... to remove the lower plugs requires >that he remove the rocker cover, remove the rocker arm shaft, etc. On >reassembly the valve lash must be re-set etc. Two hours or more dirty work > >just to check the lower 4 plugs. Unbelievable. > >7. My personal preference in VeeDub engine builders is Steve Bennett at >Great Plains. For advice and support there is no one else I trust! No one. > > >I've talked to a lot of people and know that Steve builds a conservative >engine that is darn reliable. He supports us. In a rush I've had parts in > >hand less than 48 hours; and I'm 2000 miles away. > >8. There is no perfect answer ... no free lunch. If we were on a Lycoming >web list you would never buy a Lycoming after hearing the recent Camarillo > >stories. No sir, there ain't no free lunch particularly from the cheaper VWs. Thanks for posting this great information, especially since the writer lived with VW aero-engines for many years and was speaking from experience. I hope other people on this list who've flown behind and maintained VW's for long periods will also suggestions, not to put down other engines, but so those of us who have decided to use VW's will know how to do it right. Everything I've experienced (on terrestrial engines) also suggests that low compression-ratios are the key to a long life, and not just for VW heads. One major British motorcycle manufacturer in the 70's raised compression from 9:1 to 10:1 in order to get more power, and bottom ends started blowing up routinely every 1000-4000 miles. The next year, they lowered the ratio back to 8.3:1 and increased the bore instead, with much improved results. Volkswagen compression-ratios follow a similar pattern, starting in 1969 at 7.5:1 for the 1600 engine, then lowered to 7.3:1 the next year and all the years thereafter. As someone mentioned on this list already, the latest EAA Experimenter has a good article on building VW's, and it also mentions that the long-awaited unleaded avgas will be 82 octane, another reason to keep the compression down. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:54:01 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings.... At 12:36 AM 2/13/98 EST, you wrote: >How many of us would deliberately bend newly purchased parts? There are too mant pieces in an airplane which we cannot test; must depend on vendoors to provide appropriate quality. > >Thank s Mike.. I will keep the list posted as to what we find, like you said this should require a recall of all those WAFs, assuming she sold more of them to other builders. Then again maybe these are OK to use. Seems they would be too soft to me but I aint no engineer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:05:42 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: More Engine Choices? At 12:48 AM 2/13/98 EST, you wrote: >>This is for VW people. >Thanks for posting this great information, especially since the writer lived with VW aero-engines for many years and was speaking from experience. >>>>> Yes thanks, also Mark langford sent me some ideas to check next time we have the heads off. It seems that he has seen a head or two (brand new ones) with the seats off kilter with the guides. This would result in the guide wearing oblong and then the valve leaking. I guess quality control has escaped a lot of manufactures these days. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:15:30 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: URGENT I think! Hi Mike and all, I made mine from 4130 as well and they will not bend as you describe. I would call RR Monday and find out about it. Incidentally, mine have a "chrome" look to them as well after finishing them. Hope this helps. VBRGDS Mart - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 12 February, 1998 17:38 Subject: KR: URGENT I think! >Sports fans, I was out at the hanger today getting ready to mount up the >WAFs that I bought from RR a few days ago and discovered something strange. >I already had two WAFs that were made by Ken Brock so I only bought 6 from >Janette to make up a set for the outer wings. Anyway I notice the new ones >look much different that the Ken Brock units (quality looked to be much >less) so I asked if these new ones were from Ken and Janette said no and >didn't bother to say where they were from. They seem to have an almost >chrome like finish and the edges of the fitting was very rough (like the die >was dull). Anyway she assured me they were 4130 so I went on my way. Well >today just for the hell of it I grabbed one of the chrome looking WAFs and >tried to bend it (yes just with my bear hands) and was surprised to find >these things were VERY soft!! I could bend it in a U shape if I tried! I >remembered back to the 4130 WAFs I made and I know I couldn't bend those >ones what so ever! So I tried to bend one of the Ken Brock units and with >all my might I could not even begin to deform the fitting!! So I tried >another one of the chrome WAFs and once again I was able to bend it with no >problem!!! Something aint right here folks! What's up with this picture? >Any of you engineer types care to comment on WAFs that are what I would call >MILD steel? I called RR but they had closed shop for the day and of course >they are closed on Friday so if they don't call me back I wont know anything >until next Monday. One thing I do know is I AINT USING THESE THINGS!! >Does anyone have Ken Brocks number? I need to call him to try and find out >why RR is not using his WAFs any longer but more importantly to see if he >will sell me 6 to replace these things I got from RR. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >Fax 714.856.9417 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:42:00 -0800 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: More Engine Choices? Micheal Mims wrote: > > Yes thanks, also Mark langford sent me some ideas to check next time we have > the heads off. It seems that he has seen a head or two (brand new ones) > with the seats off kilter with the guides. This would result in the guide > wearing oblong and then the valve leaking. I guess quality control has > escaped a lot of manufactures these days. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Building outer wings now > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Fax 714.856.9417 After market heads have most of the QC problems. Stick with VW stuff and you will be OK. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:22:22 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings.... In a message dated 98-02-13 01:03:39 EST, you write: << Then again maybe these are OK to use. Seems they would be too soft to me but I aint no engineer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> Why change something that ain't broke. Mike, mine don't bend but they are not "new". I'm like you, I wouldn't use them. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:42:06 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings.... Engineer;I are won... Soft is another expression for Low tensile strength. Normalised 4130 is very strong. Hardened 4130 will take the teeth off your hacksaw. Ron Freiberger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:39:46 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings.... Engineer; I are won.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:16:19 -0500 From: "Dale Baldwin" Subject: KR: Re: URGENT I think! Mike, You've been spending way too much time at the gym Dale Ba ldwin, KR-2 - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: URGENT I think! > Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 8:21 PM > > I AINT USING THESE THINGS!! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Building outer wings now > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:23:30 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Bendable wing fittings....(update) Update? Not really but here is what I found so far, I called Ken Brock this morning and ask if I could buy some parts, their reply was they do not sell KR parts to the public,.. only to RR. My reply to them was RR is not selling your parts so how do I get them? Confusion set in after that as they quoted a invoice that stated RR had ordered 2 more runs of WAFs a month or so ago and they should be ready by Tuesday the 17th of Feb. I just realized that RR is more than likely gona be closed today and Monday and I haven't heard from her yet. At this point I plan to go to AS&S tomorrow and buy enough 4130 to make my own, this is frustrating!! ARGH!! RFreibe131@aol.com you said you is an engineer, and you quoted "Soft is another expression for Low tensile strength. Normalized 4130 is very strong" Would normalized 4130 be considered "soft" compared to the 4130 stock you get from AS&S? Could these new fittings be in a normalized state? Should they be hardened before use? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:50:03 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings >It would be coreecr to ask RRT for their Quality Checks on the fittings MM >bought. This is more serious than just replacing the obvious crap he bought. This information is horrifying, since wing-fittings so substandard should eventually fail and failure would certainly result in death. God knows how many people have these things in their planes, and doubtless they are not all on this list. I sent a copy of Mike's post to Monte Miller so he can report this in the Newsletter. Fortunately, wing-attach fittings go on so early in the construction process that if this change in supplier is recent, no plane that got them could yet be flying. I understand from past discussions that Jeanette has a fairly low opinion of this list on occasion, but I hope she takes this seriously enough to recall all the attach fittings that might be affected, with widespread publicity, if necessary. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:11:46 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: RE: KR: Bendable wing fittings I saw the wing on a Air macci (sp) trainer as well as those on a Canbarra (twin turbine with large wings built in UK app 1948) come off and it stops your heart for a while and makes you think that you could have been in that machine. If it is the case that the material is of inferiour quality, the supplier needs to be spoken to, or reported to the FAA. The word CRIMINAL comes to mind. Out here in the 3rd world, with a touch of 1st world, we look up to your FAA as the world wide accepted authority with regard to aviation. Please keep on until we know the truth Kobus de Wet From Sunny Cape Town South Africa ZS-WPX http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ - -----Original Message----- From: MikeTnyc@aol.com [SMTP:MikeTnyc@aol.com] Sent: 13 February, 1998 20:50 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Bendable wing fittings >It would be coreecr to ask RRT for their Quality Checks on the fittings MM >bought. This is more serious than just replacing the obvious crap he bought. This information is horrifying, since wing-fittings so substandard should eventually fail and failure would certainly result in death. God knows how many people have these things in their planes, and doubtless they are not all on this list. I sent a copy of Mike's post to Monte Miller so he can report this in the Newsletter. Fortunately, wing-attach fittings go on so early in the construction process that if this change in supplier is recent, no plane that got them could yet be flying. I understand from past discussions that Jeanette has a fairly low opinion of this list on occasion, but I hope she takes this seriously enough to recall all the attach fittings that might be affected, with widespread publicity, if necessary. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:33:49 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: URGENT UPDATE!! At 01:50 PM 2/13/98 EST, you wrote: >This information is horrifying, since wing-fittings so substandard should >eventually fail and failure would certainly result in death. God knows how >many people have these things in their planes, and doubtless they are not all >on this list. I sent a copy of Mike's post to Monte Miller so he can report >this in the Newsletter. Just got off the phone with Janette and luckily she had only sent out a very limited supply of these fittings. She will recall them all and of course replace the said WAFs with units from Ken Brock. It is good this was caught early on and none of the fittings could possibly be in the air at this time. Just the same if you just recently purchased wing fittings from ANYONE I would advise you use my highly technical method of QA and see if you can bend them! Only medium to hard pressure is required to bend the bad units. It will bend somewhere in the area of the first or second large structural lightning holes. Also instead of the dull cadmium plating these units look almost chrome like in finish. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:53:29 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Bohemian Coolness I think it will be okay for one person operations, which would be ok for now. I don't think the weight of the KR-2S is subtantially higher than the KR-2, and there's more wingspan and greater lift with the Diehl wings. What does everone else think? - -Tom in Orlando jerry wrote: > > Will a 1835 power a Kr2s ???? I am just wondering > > Tom Andersen wrote: > > > I have to say that the first time I ever saw an auto conversion was a VW > > in a KR and I was in love with the idea that the "System" could be beat > > with the low-cost VW motor. The "System" being the manufacturers of the > > outdated, overweight, inefficient and way overpriced aircraft engines. > > I've got an 1835 CC GP VW no elec but I'm concerned that it will be too > > light at 135lbs for even solo in my KR2S. Maybe I'll have to lengthen > > the motor mount four inches to compensate. > > Question: > > I have the standard VW motor mount, could I just put 4"sq x 16" runners > > behind them and bolts all the way through the firewall? I think > > lengthening the mount 4" would make it too long and spindly. > > Question: > > Does anyone know where I could get a 4" longer mount made? > > -Tom in Orlando ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #39 ****************************