From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 1998 5:10 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #45 krnet-l-digest Sunday, February 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 045 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:00:32 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Engine Run-In questions I plan to give Steve Bennett a call, but does anyone have some tips on VW engine run-in? I plan to do a simple gravity feed fuel flow test from the header. Put some fuel in and crank it up. Before I do this, I'm going to double check my valve clearances. Any other good things to check? I need to run the engine 20 min at 2500 RPM, any suggestions regarding cooling? Cowling off or Cowling on? I don't have my baffeling completed so I'd have to do that for a Cowling on run-in. I have a CHT & EGT on the RRear cylinder (from the cocpit view). I have to look this up to tell you what number cylinder it is. I expect that it would be the hottest. What are some typical & red line temp/pressure values. Also, suggestions regarding securing the aircraft would be welcome, anything I might overlook. I will re-read my GPASC book before calling Steve, but would appriciate some KRNET feedback. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:01:06 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine Run-In questions In a message dated 98-02-20 03:59:31 EST, you write: << I plan to give Steve Bennett a call, but does anyone have some tips on VW engine run-in? >> Ross, when you talk to Steve would you post his comments, I've bugged (no pun) him enough later over this 2180 upgrade, but have been thinking some of same things you are wondering about. That RRear cylinder is #3. Thanks Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:53:51 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: The Newsletters have arrived In a message dated 98-02-19 17:44:48 EST, you write: << A Big round of thanks to Dana for making this treasure available to all of us. Steve Eberhart >> Steve, thanks but the big one goes to a guy in PA who had these copies. I ended up with them in a big box of KR stuff he sent me thru a third person. I was like a kid at Christmas. I don't have back issues but I know some of the information in the Traveling Resouce Library would be useful whether you are building a 1,2 or 2S. Simple explanations for things like, setting your toe- in. Neat stuff, but thanks Steve. Mike I was thinking the same thing when I heard what Mr. Koppe had said at the KR Gathering. Can you even buy back issues all the way back to '72? Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:06:41 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing & Horiz Stab spars In a message dated 98-02-20 00:55:34 EST, you write: << Uh me too,.....not only that but I used 1/4 inch for the two extra motor mount beef ups on the fuselage sides too! I am kinda glad for that mistake though! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> I had thought about doing that but have been very weight conscience thru all the building. My first engine choice was the twin slice rotary but I'm not happy with the fuel consumption since the main reason for the KR is a cheap cross-country machine. I was REALLY excited with that post on the UL list that I put here about the 150hp rotary weighing 135lbs till another post popped my bubble by saying that the engine had "been on the way" for the past 10 years or so! What a let-down! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:52:12 -0800 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: exhaust system tape Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Thats two negatives for exhaust tape... any pros? > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > Just as a data point on the exhaust tape thing, Jim Hill had his wrapped The pro is to control the temperature in a confined space. However, I would try to design the FWF another way, because the negatives of exaust tape wrapped around the exaust create problems as serious as the ones you are trying to solve...vapor lock, melted insulation, melted air cleaner, or hot feet. Other things to try...heat shields, cool air directed through the hot area, wrap the exaust tape around the fuel line, wiring or your feet if you just can't keep the fuel line or wiring away from the exaust. These are only little reminders because I know everyone has already considered all this stuff :-) Keep t Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:09:03 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: The Newsletters have arrived In a message dated 98-02-20 01:00:21 EST, you write: << Hey I just thought of something, yea it hurt so what! Obviously this is only an observation and an attemp to stir up some more trouble (its what I do best) but if E Koppe never sold the rights to the newsletters that he published and someone (no name mentioned here) was selling them as back issues wasn't there a copyright violation happening or am I mistaken?? Mike "the trouble maker" Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> Now I understand why your project is taking so long! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:27:43 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: painting engines/controlling heat Hello, Netters- There's some more interesting info on the paint topic at this site, but it also talks about helping to control heat in your engine compartment. http://www.sierra.net/skyranch/paint.htm Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:02:32 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: exhaust system tape Hi, Ross Yeah, the main reason I can see to use the tape wrap is to keep everything a bit cooler inside a tight cowl. Heat is bad for just about everything under the hood. As an aside, my eyes kind of popped at the beautiful T-18 in last month's Sport Aviation (the one with the tiger stripe paint job). In the photo inside the engine compartment, he is running the tape wrap on his exhausts, and there seems to be oil on the sides of his cases. He shoulda wiped 'er down a bit before they snapped the photo ;o) Beautiful airplane. Regards Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:25:04 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: exhaust system tape At 05:02 AM 2/20/98 PST, you wrote: >In the photo inside the engine compartment, he is running the tape wrap on >his exhausts, and there seems to be oil on the sides of his cases. He >shoulda wiped 'er down a bit before they snapped the photo ;o) > >Beautiful airplane. > > Dude,..then people would have thought there was no oil in the engine! You know that ole saying "if it aint leaking it needs more oil"! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:28:54 -0800 From: Alessandro Pecorara Subject: Re: KR: COZY: yet more epoxy info [long] (fwd) Steven A Eberhart wrote: > > o epoxy resins may be applied over cured polyesters that have been > dewaxed and well sanded but polyesters should never be used over > cured epoxy resins. unreacted amine [throughout] the epoxy > inhibits the peroxide catalyst in the polyester causing an > incomplete cure at the interface. sanding does NOT get rid of > the unreacted amine. the result is a poor bond even though the > surface appears cured. debonding will be the inevitable result. > (i.e., don't use polyester body fillers over epoxy.) > Now the KR-2 manual (page 108, Jan. 1990 edition) has: "A light weight - ---> polyester filler/primer called "Feather Fill" works well" (To be used over the epoxy and/or dry-micro covered fiberglass layups). There is something wrong? Alessandro Pecorara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:55:02 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: COZY: yet more epoxy info [long] (fwd) At 11:28 AM 2/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >Now the KR-2 manual (page 108, Jan. 1990 edition) has: "A light weight >---> polyester filler/primer called "Feather Fill" works well" (To be >used over the epoxy and/or dry-micro covered fiberglass layups). >There is something wrong? > >Alessandro Pecorara > Keep in mind that same article said that Safe-t-poxy was not to be used for structural layups! That is absolutely WRONG! Unfortunately the information age keeps us on our toes and misinforms as many people as it informs! Although polyester resin should not be used over epoxy based resins it is ok to use "Feather Fill". Be advised this stuff is a pain in the butt to sand as it is VERY hard. I plan to use plan ole dupont primer, I forget the exact name and part number but its in the AS&S catalog. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:28:03 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Engine Breake IN From the KRNET.ORG website click on VW stuff to get Bob Hoovers sermans. The engine break in sermon is at http://www.type2.com/sermons/liturgy/engine_break_in.html - -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:31:44 EST From: KMcken7414@aol.com Subject: KR: mailing list Please remove me from the mailing list. Thank you very much. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:05:21 -0700 From: cartera@cuug.ab.ca Subject: Re: KR: Engine Run-In questions Ross Youngblood wrote: > > I plan to give Steve Bennett a call, but does anyone have some tips > on VW engine run-in? > > I plan to do a simple gravity feed fuel flow test from the header. Put > some > fuel in and crank it up. Before I do this, I'm going to double check my > valve > clearances. Any other good things to check? > > I need to run the engine 20 min at 2500 RPM, any suggestions regarding > cooling? Cowling off or Cowling on? I don't have my baffeling > completed > so I'd have to do that for a Cowling on run-in. > > I have a CHT & EGT on the RRear cylinder (from the cocpit view). I have > > to look this up to tell you what number cylinder it is. I expect that > it would > be the hottest. > > What are some typical & red line temp/pressure values. > > Also, suggestions regarding securing the aircraft would be welcome, > anything > I might overlook. > > I will re-read my GPASC book before calling Steve, but would appriciate > some KRNET feedback. > > -- Regards > Ross Hi Ross, Look like you have everything down pat. You may not get up to the 20min time before you temps get too high. Try not to go over the 400 deg temp on the CHT, you may have to shut down sooner, but that's OK. Your on the correct cyl for your CHT. When I did my first runup/breaking in I just tied the tailwheel to the chainlink fence post. Make sure you have full back pressure on your stick/elevators you don't want the tail to lift. When you feel that you have gone through your breakin period then change your oil to whatever your going to use for your flying. You don't need your cowling on. Good Luck! - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:37:06 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: ChinoKosh Can I get a show of emails for those of you who plan to be at Chino on the 28th. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:20:52 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: COZY: yet more epoxy info [long] (fwd) Alessandro, I did use Feather Fill on my tail feathers, and it seemed to bond OK, however, I sanded most of it off. I still have a quart of it, but don't think I will spray it on the wings. If the tail feathers need repainting that isn't so bad, a wing is more work. -- Ross Alessandro Pecorara wrote: > > Steven A Eberhart wrote: > > > > o epoxy resins may be applied over cured polyesters that have been > > dewaxed and well sanded but polyesters should never be used over > > cured epoxy resins. unreacted amine [throughout] the epoxy > > inhibits the peroxide catalyst in the polyester causing an > > incomplete cure at the interface. sanding does NOT get rid of > > the unreacted amine. the result is a poor bond even though the > > surface appears cured. debonding will be the inevitable result. > > (i.e., don't use polyester body fillers over epoxy.) > > > Now the KR-2 manual (page 108, Jan. 1990 edition) has: "A light weight > ---> polyester filler/primer called "Feather Fill" works well" (To be > used over the epoxy and/or dry-micro covered fiberglass layups). > There is something wrong? > > Alessandro Pecorara - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:55:14 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Re: ChinoKosh Mike, I'll be there! Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 3:36 PM Subject: KR: ChinoKosh >Can I get a show of emails for those of you who plan to be at Chino on the 28th. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >Fax 714.856.9417 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:40:32 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: COZY: yet more epoxy info [long] (fwd) The problem is a year or two later, when it looks like it has Chicken Pox. Why is it that stuff won't stick, except where you don't want it to stick? Ron Freiberger KRT2S in Fort Myers, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:53:07 EST From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: ChinoKosh I plan to show up if you do not mind. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:19:54 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: ChinoKosh On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:37:06 -0800, you wrote: >Can I get a show of emails for those of you who plan to be at Chino on = the 28th. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >Fax 714.856.9417 I'll be there! Can't wait! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:09:35 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: COZY: yet more epoxy info [long] (fwd) Yes, the manual is wrong... Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:30:08 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KR On a Trailer photo One of my new photos has made it to teleport. http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm KR on a Trailer! - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:13:46 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR On a Trailer photo In a message dated 98-02-21 00:23:51 EST, you write: << One of my new photos has made it to teleport. http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm KR on a Trailer! -- Ross Youngblood >> Ross, I saw it last night. Looks like it was packed and ready to go. Did you drive it right thru the middle of town :-)? When are you planning on making that big fan on the front turn? Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:28:02 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Valve keepers. Question for Marvin McCoy. When the guy redid your VW heads you said he changed your lifter keepers from MOFOCO to something else that were better keepers. If you know, or could find out without much trouble, could you let me know what company it was or where I can buy them. I don't know the brand of these keepers, but don't want to drop a valve. I mailed your copies of the the Traveling Resource Library out last Saturday, along with the flap handle. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:38:58 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Valve keepers. At 07:28 2/21/98 EST, you wrote: ... >I mailed your copies of the the Traveling Resource Library out last Saturday, >along with the flap handle. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > I have held off asking for a copy of the CD til all the active builders have their needs met. I guess now is the time. If the CD is still in view, I'd like one - otherwise, I would ask for the paper library. Regards Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:19:11 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: It don't get much better than this...(long!) Hello, Netters; I received the old Newsletters from Dana yesterday afternoon, and spent the next 3 hours quickly skimming them. There are about 500 pages there, going back to the very first issue. There is the "Ken Rand is gone" issue. There is the KR-3 and the KR-1B issue. There are tips, questions, errors in plans corrections, throwover yoke drawings (!), cool dual stick drawings, tail anti-collision light ideas, seats, seatbelt attach ideas, glass, resin, allergy, foam, plexi, wood, WAF; there is an outstanding drawing of a pushrod control system... and just about anything and everything KR ideas. It is a KRNetter's playground par excellence. (I will be spending _many_ hours reading, Randy.) It will take me about 24 working hours to scan all the pages into JPEGs, and probably another 6 or 8 to get them mastered onto CD-ROM in .pdf format along with the KRNet archives and Acrobat Reader. What you will get on the CD-ROM will have an index of the old Newsletters by topic, page, and issue, and will be searchable by keyword, topic, page, or issue. Ditto for the Net archives. There is information on accidents, lots of tips and details on engines, you can follow the development of the HAPI, Revmaster, Diehl, and Great Plains products (Dan Diehl and Steve Bennett were two of the first KR builders and pilots; I think they both had over 1000 hrs. in KRs in the time span covered by the Newsletters included here). There are frightening crashes covered, and cool first flights documented. Lots of good info. Lots, and lots and lots. You will read that the KR was, at one time, the most popular homebuilt in terms of number of projects underway and/or planes flying. You will read about the GA(W)- series airfoils and how those experiments compared to the RAF wing, including people who flew them both on the same plane (thought you were going to be first, eh Troy?). You will note that the vast majority of incidents and accidents are **directly related to powerplant and fuel**, with a close second being pilot inattention or incompetence... NOT design or structural failures. ***- Thank you, Dana. Thank you, KRNet. I will work diligently to get this info out to you guys- and I am trying to promise a flat cost of $10-$15 per CD-ROM, post-paid to anybody in the US, slightly higher for Canada and Mexico, and way higher for you Netters overseas. All proceeds over and above cost of production and mailing will be split 50-50 between Net administration fund and NLF fund... I do this for fun and education, and end up on the winning end. Now leave me alone with my scanner for a while. ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:55:01 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Mosler KRNetHeads: This was on the VW list, for those who are not on it... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: Re: Mosler-TEC Date: 98-02-20 14:41:05 EST From: n4myy@juno.com (Geortge D Wells) Hi Guys--- I just got off the phone with Bill Holland of TEC. As of today, TEC will no longer sell parts or support any VW type engines, including the 2cyl. moslers. Bill told me that they are looking for someone to pick up the ball. A strange turn of events! I hope this news does not discourage anyone from pursuing 4stroke power. George Wells---n4myy@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:39:18 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Retract locks Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous post- there are very many clever and excellent ideas in the old Newsletters on improvements to the retract mechanism and locks, for those of you using or planning to use the retracts. Apparently, the original locks were unreliable and wore out quickly, and the retract setup itself caused problems ranging from air getting into the cockpit, to holes punched in the top of the wing. I didn't think of the retract topic until I saw Ross' bird on the trailer and realized he's running that setup. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:06:04 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Pitot tubes Oh, yeah- I forgot to mention in my previous posts- there is a really neat detail in the old Newsletters on pitot tubes. You make them out of old auto antennas, so they're chrome on brass. Tells exactly how to bend them without kinking, seal the end of the static tube, and nicely round the end of the pitot ram tube. You detail nuts will love it. Regards, Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:08:32 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Weather website Here's a really nice website for weather. Not specific to aviation, but gives the big picture and is cool all around. I like the switchable radar image/infrared satellite image in simulated 3-d. Go to: http://www.earthwatch/SKYWATCH/skywatch.html Ross- how about a link to this site on KRNet.org? When you get caught up on admin stuff and building, of course. Regards, Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:20:04 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Weather website- oops Should have been: Go to: http://www.earthwatch.com/SKYWATCH/skywatch.html Just select whatever region you want to look at, and it will give you a closer-up view. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:25:38 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Valve keepers. KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > Question for Marvin McCoy. When the guy redid your VW heads you said he > changed your lifter keepers from MOFOCO to something else that were better > keepers. If you know, or could find out without much trouble, could you let > me know what company it was or where I can buy them. I don't know the brand > of these keepers, but don't want to drop a valve. >---------------- Dana: I will try to find out what brand he used and let everyone know. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:35:56 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Back issue treasures I received the paper copy of the traveling library from Dana. What a treasure of information. e-mail me direct if you want a paper copy. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:50:13 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: It don't get much better than this...(long!) where do I send the check? Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers? - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 1:23 PM Subject: KR: It don't get much better than this...(long!) > > >Hello, Netters; > >I received the old Newsletters from Dana yesterday afternoon, and spent >the next 3 hours quickly skimming them. There are about 500 pages >there, >going back to the very first issue. There is the "Ken Rand is gone" >issue. There is the KR-3 and the KR-1B issue. There are tips, >questions, errors in plans corrections, throwover yoke drawings (!), >cool >dual stick drawings, tail anti-collision light ideas, seats, seatbelt >attach ideas, glass, resin, allergy, foam, plexi, wood, WAF; there is an >outstanding drawing of a pushrod control system... and just about >anything and everything KR ideas. It is a KRNetter's playground par >excellence. (I will be spending _many_ hours reading, Randy.) > >It will take me about 24 working hours to scan all the pages into JPEGs, >and probably another 6 or 8 to get them mastered onto CD-ROM in .pdf >format along with the KRNet archives and Acrobat Reader. What you will >get on the CD-ROM will have an index of the old Newsletters by topic, >page, and issue, and will be searchable by keyword, topic, page, or >issue. Ditto for the Net archives. > >There is information on accidents, lots of tips and details on engines, >you can follow the development of the HAPI, Revmaster, Diehl, and Great >Plains products (Dan Diehl and Steve Bennett were two of the first KR >builders and pilots; I think they both had over 1000 hrs. in KRs in the >time span covered by the Newsletters included here). There are >frightening crashes covered, and cool first flights documented. Lots of >good info. Lots, and lots and lots. > >You will read that the KR was, at one time, the most popular homebuilt >in >terms of number of projects underway and/or planes flying. You will >read >about the GA(W)- series airfoils and how those experiments compared to >the RAF wing, including people who flew them both on the same plane >(thought you were going to be first, eh Troy?). You will note that the >vast majority of incidents and accidents are **directly related to >powerplant and fuel**, with a close second being pilot inattention or >incompetence... NOT design or structural failures. >***- >Thank you, Dana. Thank you, KRNet. I will work diligently to get this >info out to you guys- and I am trying to promise a flat cost of $10-$15 >per CD-ROM, post-paid to anybody in the US, slightly higher for Canada >and Mexico, and way higher for you Netters overseas. All proceeds over >and above cost of production and mailing will be split 50-50 between Net >administration fund and NLF fund... I do this for fun and education, and >end up on the winning end. > >Now leave me alone with my scanner for a while. ;o) > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:42:19 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Pitot tubes In a message dated 98-02-21 14:07:18 EST, you write: << Oh, yeah- I forgot to mention in my previous posts- there is a really neat detail in the old Newsletters on pitot tubes >> Guys, as Oscar reads these we're liable to not need the CD-ROM :-) Gang, I've seen these things first hand. If you're building, thinking of building, flying or whatever, you need to get a hard copy or the CD-ROM, or both, there's information in here that is invaluable and other that's just plain fun reading. I'll get off my soapbox now, thanks for you attention:-) Just pay at the door. ChinoKosh goers, sorry but I don't think CowPatty can beat Melody Mountains from LandfordKosh:-). Couldn't resist. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:34:59 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Back issue treasures At 12:35 2/21/98 -0800, MARVIN MCCOY wrote: >I received the paper copy of the traveling library from Dana. What a >treasure of information. e-mail me direct if you want a paper copy. > >Marvin McCoy >Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field >mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net >-------------- > Yes please. Brian Whatcott 1045 East Pecan Street Altus Oklahoma 73521 Thanks Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:51:51 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Weather website At 11:08 2/21/98 PST, Oscar wrote: >Here's a really nice website for weather. Not specific to aviation, but >gives the big picture and is cool all around. I like the switchable >radar image/infrared satellite image in simulated 3-d. Go to: >http://www.earthwatch/SKYWATCH/skywatch.html Oscar, I added .org to www.earthwatch to get the URL but it wouldn't let me into the weather map. Do you have any other info? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:55:34 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Weather website- oops At 11:20 2/21/98 PST, you wrote: >Should have been: > Go to: >http://www.earthwatch.com/SKYWATCH/skywatch.html > > Sorry folks, should scan the mail before reposting! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:31:12 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: ChinoKosh Vs LandfordKosh This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000026.01BD3F6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dana Overall wrote: ChinoKosh goers, sorry but I don't think CowPatty can beat Melody = Mountains from LandfordKosh:-). Couldn't resist. Now Dana, that's "udder" nonsense! Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000026.01BD3F6C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dana Overall wrote:
 
ChinoKosh goers, sorry but I don't think CowPatty can beat Melody=20 Mountains
from LandfordKosh:-).  Couldn't resist.

Now Dana, that's "udder"=20 nonsense!
 
Tim Anderson
Stockton, CA
tanderso@inreach.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_00000026.01BD3F6C-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:04:19 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD3FAB.884DCEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height at = the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O) Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A) the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E) (20.25 ref F), the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h) (19.00 ref I) then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something?=20 Any help would be appreciated.=20 Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD3FAB.884DCEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, =20 I am wondering what the height at the rear of the side = layout is.=20 (ref N and ref O)

Its given at=20 the firewall ( 16.25' ref A)
the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref = E)
(20.25 ref F),
the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref = h)
(19.00 ref I)
then nothing all the way back. Am I = missing=20 something? 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Rich Parker
Jaffrey, NH
theparkers@monad.net  =
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD3FAB.884DCEC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:19:50 EST From: KR2616TJ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: KR: ChinoKosh Vs LandfordKosh In a message dated 98-02-22 11:40:28 EST, you write: << Dana Overall wrote: ChinoKosh goers, sorry but I don't think CowPatty can beat Melody Mountains from LandfordKosh:-). Couldn't resist. Now Dana, that's "udder" nonsense! Tim Anderson >> The laugh of the day, thanks Tim. I've been putting this engine back together, I needed a laugh. Update here in a couple of days. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:03:25 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A At 04:04 PM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height at the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O) > >Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A) >the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E) >(20.25 ref F), >the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h) >(19.00 ref I) >then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something? >Any help would be appreciated. > Its a straight line from I back to the tail at O. I think you can find the height for O on the KR2 drawing number one revision B that shows the side view. It has 11 inches shown for the furthest aft member (N for a KR2 and O for a KR2S). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:40:23 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:04:19 -0500, you wrote: >On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height at = the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O) > >Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A) >the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E) >(20.25 ref F), >the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h) >(19.00 ref I) >then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something?=20 >Any help would be appreciated.=20 > >Rich Parker >Jaffrey, NH >theparkers@monad.net =20 > Rich, All you need to do is pull out the original KR-2 plans and see what it is. They neglected to put this dimension on the 2S plans. Ref O should be 11.00". You can also get this dimension by scaling the distance off the 2S plans as other guys have done. The reason nothing is shown past ref I is because the fuselage bottom is straight from that point back. Just locate distance on ref I and ref O and then draw a straight line between them. Hope any of this helps you out. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:22:33 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: KR-net saves the day again. Gotcha. Thanks to Mike Mims and Briand Bland. Rich Parker (didnt plan a business trip to CA in time for Chinokosh but send me a receipt for a round and I'll gladly get my company to pay for it) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >All you need to do is pull out the original KR-2 plans and see what it >is. They neglected to put this dimension on the 2S plans. Ref O >should be 11.00". You can also get this dimension by scaling the >distance off the 2S plans as other guys have done. The reason nothing >is shown past ref I is because the fuselage bottom is straight from >that point back. Just locate distance on ref I and ref O and then >draw a straight line between them. Hope any of this helps you out. > > > > >Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P >Claremore, OK >Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!) > >KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm > >Its a straight line from I back to the tail at O. I think you can find the >height for O on the KR2 drawing number one revision B that shows the side >view. It has 11 inches shown for the furthest aft member (N for a KR2 and O >for a KR2S). >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #45 ****************************