From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 12:33 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #46 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, February 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 046 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:26:57 -0500 From: Eugene Gargasz Subject: Re: KR: Re: It don't get much better than this...(long!) ME TO Eugene Gargasz 44136 stang rd. Elyria, Ohio 44035 Richard Parker wrote: > where do I send the check? > > Richard Parker > Jaffrey, NH > theparkers@monad.net > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 1:23 PM > Subject: KR: It don't get much better than this...(long!) > > > > > > >Hello, Netters; > > > >I received the old Newsletters from Dana yesterday afternoon, and spent > >the next 3 hours quickly skimming them. There are about 500 pages > >there, > >going back to the very first issue. There is the "Ken Rand is gone" > >issue. There is the KR-3 and the KR-1B issue. There are tips, > >questions, errors in plans corrections, throwover yoke drawings (!), > >cool > >dual stick drawings, tail anti-collision light ideas, seats, seatbelt > >attach ideas, glass, resin, allergy, foam, plexi, wood, WAF; there is an > >outstanding drawing of a pushrod control system... and just about > >anything and everything KR ideas. It is a KRNetter's playground par > >excellence. (I will be spending _many_ hours reading, Randy.) > > > >It will take me about 24 working hours to scan all the pages into JPEGs, > >and probably another 6 or 8 to get them mastered onto CD-ROM in .pdf > >format along with the KRNet archives and Acrobat Reader. What you will > >get on the CD-ROM will have an index of the old Newsletters by topic, > >page, and issue, and will be searchable by keyword, topic, page, or > >issue. Ditto for the Net archives. > > > >There is information on accidents, lots of tips and details on engines, > >you can follow the development of the HAPI, Revmaster, Diehl, and Great > >Plains products (Dan Diehl and Steve Bennett were two of the first KR > >builders and pilots; I think they both had over 1000 hrs. in KRs in the > >time span covered by the Newsletters included here). There are > >frightening crashes covered, and cool first flights documented. Lots of > >good info. Lots, and lots and lots. > > > >You will read that the KR was, at one time, the most popular homebuilt > >in > >terms of number of projects underway and/or planes flying. You will > >read > >about the GA(W)- series airfoils and how those experiments compared to > >the RAF wing, including people who flew them both on the same plane > >(thought you were going to be first, eh Troy?). You will note that the > >vast majority of incidents and accidents are **directly related to > >powerplant and fuel**, with a close second being pilot inattention or > >incompetence... NOT design or structural failures. > >***- > >Thank you, Dana. Thank you, KRNet. I will work diligently to get this > >info out to you guys- and I am trying to promise a flat cost of $10-$15 > >per CD-ROM, post-paid to anybody in the US, slightly higher for Canada > >and Mexico, and way higher for you Netters overseas. All proceeds over > >and above cost of production and mailing will be split 50-50 between Net > >administration fund and NLF fund... I do this for fun and education, and > >end up on the winning end. > > > >Now leave me alone with my scanner for a while. ;o) > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:04:36 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Corby Starlet Plans Hey if anyone out there has a set of Corby Starlet plans could you send me an email off the list for a few questions? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:19:35 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Re: Speed Brake or Belly Board location - ------------------ I know this subject came up about a year ago but don't know if anyone talked about mounting the belly board to the front spar verses the rear spar. Anyone have any thoughts as to what difference it will make to put the board on the front spar or any benefit to the back spar. The front spar would be easier to control and work with manual operating controls. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:49:36 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Speed Brake or Belly Board location At 09:19 PM 2/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >------------------ > I know this subject came up about a year ago but don't know if anyone >talked about mounting the belly board to the front spar verses the rear >spar.>>>>>> Seems to me one mounted to the front spar would provide more of a braking action and one mounted to the aft spar make act more like a flap. I am going with one on the aft spar with the same area as two stock KR (as plans) flaps. It will be about 10" X 36". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:18:40 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mosler >KRNetHeads: > >This was on the VW list, for those who are not on it... Could you also explain how to get on the VW list, and how much traffic it has? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:48:29 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A Richard, Look at the old KR2 drawing side layout. If memory serves me correctly there is a dimension at the stern post ( I think it was 11 inches). You just want a smooth natural curve from the seat back bulkhead to the stern post location. I'll check my drawings again tonight . BTW, I would recommend putting an upright (spruce) at the end of the fuse side.This will make it easier to align the tail when you bring the sides in together. I also fitted a stern post block.This allows you to add the rear fin post AFTER the "boat is formed up and off the table. This will ensure that the Fin Post is truly vertical when glued to this stern post. REgards Chris Gardiner 04:04 PM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>> On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height at the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O) Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A) the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E) (20.25 ref F), the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h) (19.00 ref I) then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Client Service Manager................. Schlumberger RMS...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR clgardiner@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 05:46:13 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Speed Brake or Belly Board location Mike wrote: >Seems to me one mounted to the front spar would provide more of a braking >action and one mounted to the aft spar make act more like a flap. I am >going with one on the aft spar with the same area as two stock KR (as plans) >flaps. It will be about 10" X 36". Just a teaser here; one of the old Newsletters has description and detail drawings on making a speed brake which mounts to the main spar. It's 30"x6", and uses an interesting hydraulic cylinder setup which lets you position the operating handle anywhere you want. The designer indicates that he was thinking of speed reduction, not flap effect. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:04:18 -0600 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: KR: Nashville Hello all, I'm looking for any current builders or owners of KR's that are in Nashville, TN or any surrounding vicinities. I would like to come see one in person, if I can. thanks for your help. Nate Smyre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:41:08 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mosler In a message dated 98-02-23 02:20:36 EST, Mike wrote: << Could you also explain how to get on the VW list, and how much traffic it has? >> Here ya go: To subscribe send the text: subscribe vw to listserver@toast.ml.org . To unsubscribe send the text: unsubscribe vw to listserver@toast.ml.org Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:51:46 +0100 From: dupont Subject: KR: CD-ROM update Oscar, Please add my name to list for Traveling Resource Library on CD-ROM Thanks. Eric Dewet 10,rue De Gaulle 57330 Entrange France cruz57@club-internet.fr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:53:11 -0600 From: "A.Doherty" Subject: KR: check ride Hi folks! I'm getting ready to get my kr on the runway again,and was hoping someone would know of a kr-2 owner in the North Dakota, Minnesota area who would give me a ride? Thanks AL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:15:22 +0000 From: Antonio Pereira Subject: Re: KR: CD-ROM update Please add my name to the list António J. Mendes Pereira Rua Dr. Sousa Gomes, 16-2ºDrt 2900 Setubal Portugal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:07:22 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: A little help please... KRNetheads: Doug Emailed me directly asking about a phone number for Kimball Anderson. I don't recall if he is on the net or not. I do think he was at LangfordKosh though. Can anyone help on this one. Just Email direct to: DOUGLAS_MASHEK@ccmail.udlp.com Thanks, Randy Stein BSHARD@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:27:08 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR: Newsletters I got my copy of the newsletters today from Dana. If you have not made arrangements to get a copy I would recommend it. So far the only one that has contacted me about getting a copy is Rex Ellington so after I get back from Chinokosh I will get a copy to him. If anyone else wants a copy send me you name and address and I will make a list to send with the newsletters to Rex. Chinokosh is fast approaching. I can already smell the cows!! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:32:32 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Mosler I also would like to get on a VW list for tips etc. Please advise anyone that can. Regards Chris Gardiner At 02:18 AM 2/23/98 EST, you wrote: >>KRNetHeads: >> >>This was on the VW list, for those who are not on it... > >Could you also explain how to get on the VW list, and how much traffic it has? > >Mike Taglieri > > 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Client Service Manager................. Schlumberger RMS...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR clgardiner@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:46:00 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Engine Run-In questions Adrian, Thanks for the feedback. Saturday I had a local EAA tech counselor come over to look at my project. Everything went reasonably well, I got a couple of tips/hits. He said that he wished I had called him before I painted, but a 50 foot paint job is OK. I have to admit, I thought I had at least a 20foot paint job. Oh well. That was the worst of it. I need to install some pulleys for my rudder cable run. There is a spot with a > 3 degree bend near the FWD spar. He also recommended I add some diagonal bracing at all of the aft stations behind the aft spar, as my rear deck is removable. This is to add some stiffness. He said 1/8 quarter stock should be sufficient to do this. I ordered some 1/4 stock from ACS. He didn't think much of the GPASC intake manifold or the 4 into 1 exhaust manifold, he thinks that a 2 into 1 exhaust manifold would be a better choice, and that the intake manifold may be costing about 5hp. This particular gentleman speaks his mind, but I knew what I was getting into when I asked him to come over and look at my project. (In fact I recruited him as a tech counselor for the chapter). Otherwise he said it was OK, but he noticed that I had used elastic stop nuts on my throttle linkage assy, and reminded me that this is not approved for a certificated aircraft. I'm ordering the metal stop nuts just to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's". Sunday went a bit better. My new hangar neighbor has a T-craft, and took a look at the project. I discussed an area of concern where the GPASC 4into1 exhaust runs about 1/8" from the intake down runner area where a high temp hose is used. My concern was that this was too close, and on Saturday morning he agreed, and mentioned that he had a welding outfit at home, and could bring it. Sunday he had, and we moved that pipe. This had been bugging me for some time, as my old source for a welding had moved away. One nagging problem resolved. My hangar mate is building a KR-1, and also notes a similar clearance problem with his intake/exhaust manifolds. I recall now why I was wanting to use exhaust wrap tape. Both this intake issue, and another clearance issue between the exhaust tube and the battery box. I am using a glass battery box as I think it will not conduct heat to the battery as well, but still I have a tight clearance, about 1-1/2 or 2" from the battery. I may add some type of heat shield as well, but I was thinking that the exhaust tape would give me more margin and piece of mind. I got one of my brake lines hooked up, but am not satisfied with the routing... UGH! Still have to get this done, then re-rig the controls, and hook up the oil pressure gague before I can start up the engine. Maybe this next weekend. -- Ross cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > I plan to give Steve Bennett a call, but does anyone have some tips > > on VW engine run-in? > > > > I plan to do a simple gravity feed fuel flow test from the header. Put > > some > > fuel in and crank it up. Before I do this, I'm going to double check my > > valve > > clearances. Any other good things to check? > > > > I need to run the engine 20 min at 2500 RPM, any suggestions regarding > > cooling? Cowling off or Cowling on? I don't have my baffeling > > completed > > so I'd have to do that for a Cowling on run-in. > > > > I have a CHT & EGT on the RRear cylinder (from the cocpit view). I have > > > > to look this up to tell you what number cylinder it is. I expect that > > it would > > be the hottest. > > > > What are some typical & red line temp/pressure values. > > > > Also, suggestions regarding securing the aircraft would be welcome, > > anything > > I might overlook. > > > > I will re-read my GPASC book before calling Steve, but would appriciate > > some KRNET feedback. > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > Hi Ross, > Look like you have everything down pat. You may not get up to the 20min > time before you temps get too high. Try not to go over the 400 deg temp > on the CHT, you may have to shut down sooner, but that's OK. Your on the > correct cyl for your CHT. When I did my first runup/breaking in I just > tied the tailwheel to the chainlink fence post. Make sure you have full > back pressure on your stick/elevators you don't want the tail to lift. > When you feel that you have gone through your breakin period then change > your oil to whatever your going to use for your flying. You don't need > your cowling on. Good Luck! > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:54:00 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR On a Trailer photo KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-02-21 00:23:51 EST, you write: > > << One of my new photos has made it to teleport. > > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm > > KR on a Trailer! > -- > > Ross Youngblood >> > > Ross, I saw it last night. Looks like it was packed and ready to go. Did you > drive it right thru the middle of town :-)? When are you planning on making > that big fan on the front turn? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ I'm hoping to turn the big fan SOON, hopefully this coming weekend. I may be suffering from KR burnout. I'm starting to think that a Piper Cherokee 140 would be a good deal, or a C-172. Help! -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:02:43 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A - --------------ECB4FCA2A5C944B0D194325C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich, You have to calculate these heights proportionally. I have them in my #1 logbook but it's out at the hangar. (Had a tech counselor visit last Saturday). Perhaps somone should write down this information for each station on the KR-2 and KR-2S, so we can have it on the FAQ list. I had to sit and scratch my head for about a week until I decided that I would have to rely on my high school shop class, and college enginerring drafting class to glean the correct dimensions from the drawing. I did it two ways, one was to assume the drawing was to scale and accurate, the other was to do some interpolation. I am headed out of town (my weekly pennance to pay for house,cars, krnet etc) but will be back Thursday, so perhaps I can post the data then. -- Regards Ross Richard Parker wrote: > On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height > at the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O)Its given at the > firewall ( 16.25' ref A)the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E)(20.25 > ref F),the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h)(19.00 ref I)then > nothing all the way back. Am I missing something?Any help would be > appreciated. Rich ParkerJaffrey, NHtheparkers@monad.net - --------------ECB4FCA2A5C944B0D194325C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich,
  You have to calculate these heights proportionally.  I have them in my #1 logbook
but it's out at the hangar.  (Had a tech counselor visit last Saturday).  Perhaps somone
should write down this information for each station on the KR-2 and KR-2S, so
we can have it on the FAQ list.  I had to sit and scratch my head for about a week
until I decided that I would have to rely on my high school shop class, and college
enginerring drafting class to glean the correct dimensions from the drawing.
  I did it two ways, one was to assume the drawing was to scale and accurate, the
other was to do some interpolation.  I am headed out of town (my weekly pennance
to pay for house,cars, krnet etc)  but will be back Thursday, so perhaps I can
post the data then.
  -- Regards
     Ross

Richard Parker wrote:

 On "Side framing layout". Drawing A,  I am wondering what the height at the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O)Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A)the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E)(20.25 ref F),the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h)(19.00 ref I)then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something?Any help would be appreciated. Rich ParkerJaffrey, NHtheparkers@monad.net 
  - --------------ECB4FCA2A5C944B0D194325C-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:13:03 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Builder Burnout OUCH! I've still got LOTS of work to do. I have recently touched base with an EAA flight advisor on trying to put together a flight transition training cirriculum[sp] for myself. The flight advisor indicated I might be able to get training from Vans Aircraft's RV4 instructor. I'm told he charges $60/hr for his services. I will post more after I check into this. Their facility is only about 70 miles from here. The idea is that an RV4 loaded to near aft-CG with two people aboard may handle similar to the KR. Possibly closer than a Piper Cub or a Cessna 170, which are my other local taildragger options. Soo much to do yet... it's all rather daunting. But I'll keep plugging away at least until it's time for high speed taxi tests. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:46:32 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Builder Burnout (WAFs and other stuff) At 12:13 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >OUCH! > I've still got LOTS of work to do. Hang in there dude! After all you don't really have a deadline to meet. Trust me I know how your feeling though. I had big plans for the month of Feb and I haven't gotten anything done!! ARGH! This all due to the holiday on the 14th, the WAF issue, and unexpected visitor from out of state and last Chinokosh. At lease Chinokosh is airplane related! Advanced apology to the Chinokosh folks, I wont be as far along as I first thought! Speaking of WAFs I need to call RR tomorrow and get an update. Rumor has it that WAFs from Ken Brock are increasing in price to $25 each, yes $25 each! Lets see that's about $500 for a set of WAFs! Its time for you engineers out there to design a WAF that is easy to build and install. After looking through about 100 issues of old SA magazines and noticing about 10 or so aircraft that use a 1/8 inch 4130 strap with 1/4 or 3/8 inch bolts down the center instead of the complex style that are in the plans (double row of an3 bolts with progressively larger lightning holes) I would think we could come up with something! So how about it guys? Could we use the 1.5 inch 4130 strap and just install 4 or 5 3/8 (an6) bolts down the center? Sure would make life simple if we could, not to mention a set of WAFs would only cost about $30! I noticed on a few of the strap type fittings the bolts were installed in a zig zag pattern. What about that? I saw on one aerobatic airplane the two wings were joined at the center by 1/4 aluminum fittings with about 10 AN4 bolts mounted along the center. We should be able to come up with something here. Some fittings had staggered layers of 4130 like Don Reids, maybe that's the hot setup? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:10:09 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR On a Trailer photo In a message dated 98-02-24 05:25:54 EST, you write: << I may be suffering from KR burnout. I'm starting to think that a Piper Cherokee 140 would be a good deal, or a C-172. Help! -- Regards Ross >> Ross, just keep envisioning doing barrel rolls around 140s and 172s and then the envious looks on those drivers facing as you taxi by. That ought to do it. Keep Pluggin Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:37:41 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Builder Burnout Ross Youngblood wrote: > > OUCH! > > I've still got LOTS of work to do. > > > Soo much to do yet... it's all rather daunting. But I'll keep > plugging away at least > until it's time for high speed taxi tests. > > -- Regards > Ross Ross, Hang in there man, it will be worth it. I felt the same way at that stage of building- almost a little overwhelming- but when you are past it, you will look back and see that it was one of the best parts of building. Just remember what Mike said, there is no deadline. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:39:32 -0500 From: "Dale Baldwin" Subject: KR: KR-Side stick I've got a question for our panel, After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the side stick set shown in the one cockpit. Does someone have drawings, any thoughts pro- con, what about handling/feel? No need to reinvent the wheel if someone's already been there. Thanks a bunch Dale Baldwin, KR-2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:26:36 -0500 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: KR: Re: KR-Side stick - ---------- > From: Dale Baldwin > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: KR-Side stick > Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 9:39 AM > > I've got a question for our panel, > > After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the > side stick > set shown in the one cockpit. Does someone have drawings, any thoughts > pro- > con, what about handling/feel? No need to reinvent the wheel if someone's > already > been there. > > Thanks a bunch > Dale Baldwin, KR-2 > Dale, I'd like to be able to use the side stick in my KR also. Don Betchan's is the only one I've ever seen. It's really slick. I happen to know that Randy Stein (aka Frick) shot a roll of film on that control at the 96 Gathering. Don peeled the side cover off and I thought that Randy got photos and dimensions. How about it Randy? Or was it only the landing gear. I thought it might show up in a future KROnline. How about in the copies of the historical newsletters? Did anybody ever make any sketches? Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:18:58 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-Side stick Dale, Ive flown two different KR-1s, one with side stick and one with center stick. I mentioned several times to the netters that I'm convinced the side stick is much better. Your forearm sits on an arm rest and you use three fingers to fly - maybe a little wrist at times. I also flew back seat in an -EZE and was really impressed with the feel. Search around for a ride in something with a side stick- you'll love it. Ed Janssen > > >---------- >> From: Dale Baldwin >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Subject: KR: KR-Side stick >> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 9:39 AM >> >> I've got a question for our panel, >> >> After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the >> side stick >> set shown in the one cockpit. Does someone have drawings, any thoughts >> pro- >> con, what about handling/feel? No need to reinvent the wheel if >someone's >> already >> been there. >> >> Thanks a bunch >> Dale Baldwin, KR-2 >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:23:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-Side stick At 07:26 PM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >> I've got a question for our panel, After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the side stick set shown in the one cockpit. Does someone have drawings, any thoughts>>>> Go see at: http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/58.jpg http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims/59.jpg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:26:49 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: KR: Side stick in the middle. Years ago, I flew Chris Heinz's Zenith prototype. It had a short stick inb the middle, along your thigh. It had a big ball, about like a softball, but cork. It was very natural and easy; both passengers had access. I flew from the right, and it was as very good; but I'm left handed. The stick was shorter than normal, and efforts were low (like KR?). Ron Freiberger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:30:58 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: engine mount At 22:49 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >I have a standard engine mount and KR-2 Cowling for sale $100.00 each. > >Jean Veron >N4DD >Broken Arrow, OK > > Jean, Do you still have the engine mount and do you know if will work for a Revmaster 2100D on a KR2S? If so, I am interested in it. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:12:19 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR-Side stick >>> I've got a question for our panel, >>> >>> After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the >>> side stick >>> set shown in the one cockpit. Does someone have drawings, any thoughts >>> pro- >>> con, what about handling/feel? No need to reinvent the wheel if >>someone's >>> already >>> been there. >Ive flown two different KR-1s, one with side stick and one with center >stick. I mentioned several times to the netters that I'm convinced the >side stick is much better. Your forearm sits on an arm rest and you use >three fingers to fly - maybe a little wrist at times. I also flew back >seat in an -EZE and was really impressed with the feel. Search around for >a ride in something with a side stick- you'll love it. Maybe I'm missing something here, but is this thread talking about twin side sticks, one on each wall of the cockpit, or the original way the KR-2 was designed with a single stick in-between the seats? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:39:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: ChinoKosh Chinokosh goers, the weather is looking good for Saturday the 28th. Temps should be in the mid 60s. I look forward to seeing all who show up and hopefully we will get a KR or two fly in. There will be water and pop to drink at the hanger and the porta potty is right across the way. I guess we could plan on eating at Flo's Airport Cafe and I would like to make a run to AS&S sometime after lunch. On the last trip to AS&S I picked up a couple of notched squeegees made by West Systems, the LongEZ guys are telling me they are the hot setup for applying filler. Seems you use the 1/4 inch notches to apply the filler, let cure and sand. Once you have the shape you want you use a regular squeegee and fill in the valleys and your done. (very light sanding the second time around, if any). Anyway see yall there, I will try to get an update from RR on the WAFs tomorrow. I didn't have time to call today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:00:00 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: engine mount Hi there, Can you let me know about the cowling, I might be interested as it may not be too difficult to adapt to a 2S. Thanks. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: Austin Clark To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 24 February, 1998 21:24 Subject: Re: KR: engine mount >At 22:49 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I have a standard engine mount and KR-2 Cowling for sale $100.00 each. >> >>Jean Veron >>N4DD >>Broken Arrow, OK >> >> > >Jean, > >Do you still have the engine mount and do you know if will work for a >Revmaster 2100D on a KR2S? If so, I am interested in it. > > > > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS >itac@datasync.com >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:24:10 EST From: RFreibe131@aol.com Subject: KR: Sun and Fun Plans I'm curious about the S&F plans.. I live close enough tho drive to the Fun, but would spend a night in Tampa if there is a plan for a dinner or get- together on a specific day. We could probably borrow a meeting room from the motel if we were potential dinner guests. Any Ideas? Ron Freiberger KR2s+/- in Fort Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:47:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-Side stick At 12:12 AM 2/25/98 EST, you wrote: >Maybe I'm missing something here, but is this thread talking about twin side sticks, one on each wall of the cockpit, or the original way the KR-2 was designed with a single stick in-between the seats? > >Mike Taglieri > Nah they are talking about short little joy sticks mounted to the side of the fuselage like the LongEZ sticks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:20:46 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Side framing layout. Drawing A Richard Parker wrote: > > On "Side framing layout". Drawing A, I am wondering what the height > at the rear of the side layout is. (ref N and ref O) > > Its given at the firewall ( 16.25' ref A) > the rear of the main spar (20.00 ref E) > (20.25 ref F), > the rear of the rear spar (20.00 ref h) > (19.00 ref I) > then nothing all the way back. Am I missing something? > Any help would be appreciated. > > Rich Parker > Jaffrey, NH > theparkers@monad.net > Just some considerations about KR2S framing layout. I like to say that I've not already started build my framing, so what I'm telling are only my tought and what I'm planning to do. Sorry if for some people all I'm gonna writing is trivial, obvius, or bargain. SSSSSooo, the drawings RR furnish are plan view of a 3d object (your airplane), and not the plan framing layout; because of that: 1) The verticals shown are not vertical: try to "virtually seat" in the engine place, and look at the tail. True lenght of each vertical is bigger than dimension showed on plans. For outstanding engineer happiness: TrueLength = DrawingLenght / cos (VerticalAngle) 2) If you space verticals as per plans, and then bow the fuselage sides, you'll surpringsly discover that your loved bird become shorter of more than 7" (20 cm). Building frame as per plans result in a shorter and banana boat affected fuselage. Of course this is not a disaster, but may be you don't like it, and I don't. How to correct this ? "Simply" make a geometric develop, maybe helping with a CAD program, of the fuselage. You'll discover that is geometrically impossible to develop this fuselage, it's kinda flattening a sphere. But as parachute are made from flat stuff, our fuses can be made (flying KR are the evidence !!!): a sorta of structural deformation (other than pure bending of longitudinal axis) is involved. I've done that flattening work, and I realize that when I'll build my plan framing, my vertical won't be vertical, but the top of them will be slightly moved forward, the top and bottom longherons will be slightly bowed and, most important, the framing will be longer than showed by plans. Now my doubt: skin plan sides and then bend them, or bend the frame and then skin? There are good reasons to make the first as the second. I think that it's only a matter of personal preference. The only thing I'm evaluating is to run a finite element analysis to check the stress that the bending process involve. If it's not so big (and I think so ... many builder use this technique and are still alive) I think I'll bend skinned sides, maybe after steaming them. Of course, take all I've said as bargain: I'm gonna building a mockup to check it. Whew ... hope my bad english was understandable, and now ... ready to get all of your insult !! Ciao, Michele (the theoretical guy ... ) - -- MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Michele Bucceri E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:02:01 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: KR-Side stick Dale Baldwin wrote: > After studing Video Bob's latest work I would like to know more about the side stick > set shown in the one cockpit. Dale, Sorry if this shows up late, as I have a 14 hour delay between the time I check my mail and the time I send new mail. It has something to do with the rate of International phone calls from Wales, but I don't want to go into that. The side stick that you saw is Don Betchan's. He lives in Perry, Oklahoma, and has pioneered some really good ideas on his KR, including motorcycle retracts, supercool strut-lift canopy, and the spinner-mounted alternator. This guy's middle name is "innovator". I'd give you his phone number but I'm not at home right now, but I'll bet information would wuup it on you for about 50 cents or so, if somebody a llittle speedier than me hasn't answered already. Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net kr2s project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:32:50 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Valve keepers. Dana Overall wrote: > Question for Marvin McCoy. When the guy redid your VW heads you said he > changed your lifter keepers from MOFOCO to something else that were better > keepers. If you know, or could find out without much trouble, could you let > me know what company it was or where I can buy them. I don't know the brand > of these keepers, but don't want to drop a valve. Dana, Nobody's bitten on this so I'll go for it. I use hardened keepers and retainers (available from CB Performance, etc) on my Ghia, with double springs (but I've never seen a stock one fail either). I've never had any problems with either of them, for what it's worth. And the Ghia gets a regular 6500 RPM work out, something yours will never have to worry about. I'll go with single HD springs on my KR engine, and I'll definitely use Manley stainless steel valves. I tried the cheap imitations, and lived long enough (a few months) to regret it. Mine look like they'll last forever, but then my valve geometry is set up perfectly, and I'm using elephant phoot adjusters. If you don't know what I mean by valve geometry, you need HP Book's "How to Hotrod VW Engines", which I bought in "71. Knowing you, you've got it already... Since lightening the valvetrain is most useful at high RPM, I'd think that titanium retainers would be a waste on a 3600 RPM VW engine. Mark Langford "Vdubs forever" langford@hiwaay.net kr2s project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #46 ****************************