From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 11:08 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #53 krnet-l-digest Thursday, March 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 053 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:20:37 -0500 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: Re: KR: Video Perry - ---------- > From: Mark Langford > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Video Perry > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 10:37 PM > > > Chris Gardiner wrote: > > > CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A MAILING ADDRESS AND $ FOR THIS VIDEO.? > > From my web page: > > The 1997 KR Gathering video is now available from Omega Productions for > $25.00 from: > > Bob Vermeulen > Omega Productions > 304 Cedar St, NE > Grand Rapids, MI 49503 > > Or you can call at (616)774-3913. Bob accepts check, MC, and Visa. This is > as close as you can get without having been there. It features interviews > with KR builders and pilots, detailed look at many of the KRs attending, > lots of flying, and a ride with Marty Roberts in his 0-200 powered KR2. > This video is great for getting sufficiently fired up to start or finish > building your KR! Another video detailing the antennas, composites, > woodworking, and finishing seminars that were held at the Gathering will > also be available soon. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > Mark, I couldn't have said it better. Thanks for the promo. The PAL versions of the KR video are sent out. If you haven't gotten yours, it should be arriving soon. (for you guys on the other side of the Atlantic) I still have 2 PAL versions left, and Jeanette at Rand Robinson has 5 PAL copies. If you KR lovers in Europe want a copy, it's first come, first served. No more after they are gone. If you're stateside, you can get one anytime. Remember, $5 of your purchase goes towards KRNet or the Gathering. Randy and Ross can fight over the money. I leave tomorrow (Thursday) for Phoenix to shoot some video for another project I'm working on. It's a video about converting the EA81 Subaru for aircraft use. I met a guy (called me for a video) who has built up a Soob, made his own re-drive, and built up his own engine mount. Sounds like Les Palmer. I've got an EA81 in my shop that will also be used in the video. It'll be awhile before it's done but I think that it should be a popular video. By the way, is Steve Makish (king of the KRs and Soobs combination) still on this e-mail list. I sort of wanted to do an interview with him at Sun 'n Fun. I know he'll be there, he can't hide forever. Video-KR-Soob Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:15:12 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Video Perry Thanks Mark. I'll bring you a copy of the 1995 KR Gathering Video I shot in Tennesee. See you on Sunday 15th. Regards Chris Gardiner At 09:37 PM 3/10/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Chris Gardiner wrote: > >> CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A MAILING ADDRESS AND $ FOR THIS VIDEO.? > >>From my web page: > >The 1997 KR Gathering video is now available from Omega Productions for >$25.00 from: > >Bob Vermeulen >Omega Productions >304 Cedar St, NE >Grand Rapids, MI 49503 > >Or you can call at (616)774-3913. Bob accepts check, MC, and Visa. This is >as close as you can get without having been there. It features interviews >with KR builders and pilots, detailed look at many of the KRs attending, >lots of flying, and a ride with Marty Roberts in his 0-200 powered KR2. >This video is great for getting sufficiently fired up to start or finish >building your KR! Another video detailing the antennas, composites, >woodworking, and finishing seminars that were held at the Gathering will >also be available soon. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Client Service Manager................. Schlumberger RMS...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR clgard@netcom.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:55:47 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: Model A carb To those of you who have been asking about Model A Ford carbs: You might try the following address for starters: http://www.modelatrader.com/ I have a Model A carb (it was a gift) on my 1700cc Vdub and really works great at all rpms! No problems with it so far. I replaced a POSA carb with it and have about 50 hours on it so far. Ed Janssen Kr-1 N8029J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:32:34 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Prop Torque At 06:02 PM 3/11/98 +1300, you wrote: But then I have only been fitting props for twenty six years so will have to >bow to your obviously more extensive experiance. >Regards.............Dave > David.Stuart@xtra.co.nz > Dave, sometimes that's what you have to do here on the KRNet! Experience counts for nothing here! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:19:20 EST From: BSHADR Subject: KR: Prop Torque (Lecture & question) In a message dated 98-03-11 07:40:15 EST, you write: << For lower power engines, this under torqueing is not a big problem. But with higher power engines, particularly those with smallish crank hubs, the US experience has been that the wood prop hub faces start to scorch which leads to drying and shrinkage. >> KRPropheads: Not to step into this public/private pissing contest between skunks, but I gotta say, like good sailors - ya both have opinions and they are both right (at least according to your own point of view). Now with that said, as the unofficial list flat foot, I need to urge each of you to please reconsider your individual approaches to this disagreement and try to turn it into a constructive dialog that will benefit us all. Failing that, maybe the most caustic portions should be saved for private Email for you to share without all of us seeing the laundry. I for one am getting to the point of cringing every time I see "prop______" in the subject line. On the other hand, this thread is bringing good, diverse points of view to the list. This will serve to educate all of us. Good for both of you. Now, you boys be civil and we can all sit back and enjoy the course of our knowledge enhancement instead of ducking for cover feeling like we have to take sides. We accept the fact that you two disagree. Now support your views without slurs, snide comments or attacks. Let all of us be the jury. Consider this a debate - not a fight. Tender your views, support these views with whatever info you choose to use and let it rest. The KRNet readers can reach the conclusions they choose without bloodshed. As an attempt to clarify this debate in my own mind: I was under the impression that the prop bolts were designed to keep the prop bolts from shearing by friction, ie the clamping pressure against the hub since the bolts themselves were not designed to handle the load imposed by the crank. If this is true, then the bigger engines need more "friction grip" as opposed to the smaller engines that would need less. Could you both be right? Help me out fellows…I’m lost on the beach Randy (SPF45 Flame Lotion on) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:27:21 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Prop Torque (Lecture & question) At 12:19 3/11/98 EST, Randy wrote: >... I was under the >impression that the prop bolts were designed to keep the prop bolts from >shearing by friction, ie the clamping pressure against the hub since the >bolts themselves were not designed to handle the load imposed by the crank. >If this is true, then the bigger engines need more "friction grip" as opposed >to the smaller engines that would need less. Could you both be right? ... >Randy (SPF45 Flame Lotion on) Stein This is a useful topic that affects most KR flyers, so it seems worthwhile to beat it out on list.... So to answer your question: as far as I am aware, when David Stuart (who I think is a LAME, the NZ equivalent of an A&P) torques a NZ made prop according to the maker's recommendation, then, from the FAA stand point, he is absolutely doing the right thing. And when Jeff Scott torques his prop about four times harder, according to the maker's recommendation, then from the FAA stand-point HE'S doing exactly the right thing. But If Jeff Scott flew to NZ and asked David Stuart to check his prop, David would wind out the bolts, despite the maker's instructions to the contrary, and that's why you are seeing some hurt expressions from a NZ mech with 30 years background. It would do no harm to consult the NZ reference authority - for all I know that authority specifies this nominal 10 ft.lbs torque for any and all wood props. If they do, then I could work with them and reasonably expect them to either support or change their position in engineering terms. (And 30 years problem-free A&P experience with wood props is not to be sneezed at, I'm sure they would agree...) Does this help you, Randy, to see where right turns to wrong? Whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:52:17 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Progress Yesterday I put in a good 10 hour day on the project. None of this time was spent in head scratching mode! Me and the Vizsla headed out to the hanger around 9:00am and worked nonstop till 7:00pm Well we did break for lunch but that's about it. Because I using the Piper gear struts and Matco wheels I had to custom make all the spacers for the axles. The Matco bearings for the 1.250 axle is a little different than what I am used too. The grease seal stays stationary and the sealing edge is on the inside of the wheel itself instead of the axle. So you have to design the spacers with a little chamfer on the edge to bite into the inner race to keep it from spinning. I also built the last of the WAFs and bolted my outer wings spars up. My little bird has what is the start of wings now!! Woo Hoo! I made myself a nice jig this time for drilling the spar caps and they all came out PERFECT! Do yourself a favor and build a good jig! The one I used was from the old newsletters and is made of wood with a 4130 sleave for the drill bit. Its a lot like Mark Langfords, go see his if your interested. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:07:39 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Progress On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Micheal Mims wrote: [snip] > > I also built the last of the WAFs and bolted my outer wings spars up. My > little bird has what is the start of wings now!! Woo Hoo! [snip] Mike, Have you hotwired your wing cores yet? I am very interrested in your trials and tribulations. Hope you go through less foam than I did on the wind tunnel model cores. The third set were usable, not perfect but usable. THe next ones will be dead on after all that I learned in the process. THe main secret is make sure you have perfect templates. I thought the first ones were good, found out later that the cutouts for the aileron hinge area was too thin. Second set was fine in that respect but I screwed up on the contour so I "fixed the error with epoxy on the formica template - yeh I know STUPID. THe hot wire melted the epoxy resulting in a ruined second set of cores DUH? THe third time was a charm and I had a good set of cores. Well, Langford was my inspiration so I guess I should have known that I was going to make three sets :-) At least Wicks likes me. Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com http://www.newtech.com/nlf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:13:02 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Flight Test Plan- no archive Sorry, Netters; EagleGator's ISP won't let me e-mail him direct, so I'm posting this to KRNet so he can see it >Hello, Rick > >This is in response to your post on KRNet about review of the Flight >Test Plan. > >I have downloaded your Flight Test Plan and will read through it as time >allows; excellent piece of work. As mentioned on the Net, I would like >to include this on the Traveling Resource Library CD-ROM, with your >permission. Please let me know about this. > >Regards, > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:05:00 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Prop X@$X#@ I'm going to tread real lightly here:-)). I've have been watching the "debate" because I'll be bolting on my Ed Sterba prop shortly. All I'm going to do is repeat what has been told to me by Ed and Steve (GP). I called Ed & Steve today and he said to torque his hard maple prop to between 10 and 12 foot poundsm(up to 14 foot pounds, but it would serve any real purpose) using nylon nuts and 5/16 bolts. Run the engine for one minute and check the torque. That is followed up by checking the torque after your one hour initial runup. As Mike made a "reference" too :-)) (I think this was directed at me, I can take it with a smile), experience counts. No flames accepted, it you got em point the gun at Ed Sterba. Sheewe, I hope I survived this one:-)) Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:46:57 +1300 From: "David Stuart" Subject: KR: Prop Torque Brian Dana Micheal Randy.........back to spf 15 now Others Smiles...smiles...smiles...smiles. Got to go fix my KR now. The rudder pedal mounting hinge broke (this is the second time) and I ran into a barbecue table and smashed a hole in the leading edge of the stbd wing. Will have to grind out the damaged glass, remove the foam, make up and glue in new foam blocks and reshape. Question? The hole is about six inches high and nine inches wide and there are two layers of glass. I understand you grind a taper back two inches for every layer of glass. That would mean the first layer of glass patch would be two inches bigger than the hole and the second would be two inches bigger than the first. Can sombody check me out on this one please And no Brian I didn't deserve to have it happen. Chuckle...Smile..Grin...Snort...Holla Ya all look after ya selves now. Kind regards.........Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:27:27 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Prop X@$X#@ I called Ed & >Steve today and he said to torque his hard maple prop to between 10 and 12 >foot poundsm(up to 14 foot pounds, but it would serve any real purpose) using >nylon nuts and 5/16 bolts. Nylon? Boy, I think I would stick with metal nuts! :o) Ed J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:34:19 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Prop X@$X#@ In a message dated 98-03-11 16:08:56 EST, I wrote: << I called Ed & Steve today and he said to torque his hard maple prop to between 10 and 12 foot poundsm(up to 14 foot pounds, but it would serve any real purpose) using nylon nuts and 5/16 bolts. . Sheewe, I hope I survived this one:-)) >> Boy you could tell by my spelling that I was nervous sticking my head out of the trenches on this one huh. What Ed & Steve did say was that I could torque to 14 ft pounds but it wouldn't do me any more good than staying in the 10 to 12 pound range with the 5/16 bolt. These figures will do for a VW (Revmaster is different). Easiest thing to do is check with your manufacturer. Vdub forever!!!! (I said that as I hastily dropped back into the trench). Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:48:10 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Wing Patch In a message dated 98-03-11 17:56:46 EST, you write: << Question? The hole is about six inches high and nine inches wide and there are two layers of glass. I understand you grind a taper back two inches for every layer of glass. That would mean the first layer of glass patch would be two inches bigger than the hole and the second would be two inches bigger than the first. Can sombody check me out on this one please >> David, I don't know the answer concerning the two inch deal (sounds good) but you will find patching or feathering into existing glass is much easier if you peel ply several inches past the patch and sqeegee the overlap in. Makes feathered areas unseen. You probably already knew this but maybe others didn't. Send me an e-mail off the KRnet, I tried to send you a message a couple weeks ago and got it returned (postage due). Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:48:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Prop X@$X#@ At 04:05 PM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote: As Mike made a "reference" too :-)) (I think this was directed at me, I can >take it with a smile), experience counts. No way dude! I was just playing around, after going through a little therapy with Dr. Stein I just look at threads and laugh now! The "experience doesn't count" thing came about LONG ago (pre KRNet days, IE AOL thread days). I was trying to get everyone to lighten up a bit because as Randy said, they were both right. My suggestion, torque your prop to the value specified by the manufacturer! Plane (pun intended) and simple! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:03:52 From: Flesner Subject: Re: KR: WAF's At 05:27 PM 3~10~98 -0800, you wrote: >Has anyone thought of finding out if the WAF's can be made on a >computerized plazma torch system? I was wondering what the quality and >costs or if it would be feasible to have a set made up. > >John F. Esch ------------------- -------------------------- - -------------- Fellow Builders, I checked with a local shop that does work for Farrington at Paduach, ky. He is the one that sells the Twin Star gyro. The shop can do aircraft quality work. I can get 4130 steel from Wick's and have the fittings laser cut and the rear fittings bent as called for in plans and make them available for $254. The builder would need to ream the holes ,polish the edges, and coat the fittings. A better deal would be to have them ream the holes to size, and do what they call a vibratory finishing process. The builder would only have to polish the outside edges with a belt sander, etc. and put some kind of finish on the fittings. These would cost $315 plus shipping. The first price would be plus shipping also. There is a setup fee so I would have to place an order for several sets of fittings to cover the cost and make it worth my time. If there is any intrest you can e-mail me direct. I'll let you know if I get enough responses to move forward. I have not seen a finished set but if there is enough intrest I would have a set made to inspect before I placed a large order. Larry Flesner flesner@mychoice.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:07:56 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Progress- no archive Mike wrote: I made myself a >nice jig this time for drilling the spar caps Whattya mean, "this time" Mike? You mean there are some mis-drilled spars laying around there somewhere? ;o) ;o) Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:49:45 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Prop X@$X#@ In a message dated 98-03-11 18:31:46 EST, you write: << >nylon nuts and 5/16 bolts. Nylon? Boy, I think I would stick with metal nuts! :o) Ed J. >> Well they're reallllllyyyyy bbiiiiggg nuts.....I better not go here. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:41:14 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: Prop Torque (Lecture & question) Randy; thanks, we needed that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:09:37 EST From: HAshraf Subject: KR: Fiberglass repair Jack Lambie's book "Composite Construction for Homebuilt Aircraft" has a chapter on repairs. He recommend 1:100 taper and using same number of layers. Once the epoxy is cured, he recommends sanding to a ''impossible-to-detect-there-was-any-damage" pre repaired surface. He does not talk about different size layers. Haris Ashraf Plans ordered, will place spruce order ($674 from AS&S) tomorrow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:54:47 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Progress At 02:07 PM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >Mike, > >Have you hotwired your wing cores yet? I am very interrested in your >trials and tribulations. Hope you go through less foam than I did on the >wind tunnel model cores. >>>. Not yet but man are we getting close! I have a couple of EZ and Dragonfly builders helping out with the cores plus I have done a bit myself. I hope I don't end up with three sets! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims mirror site at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:48:50 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: More Progress Well I called around to find the FAA PMA approved O-ring for my Piper struts and found them for $12.95 each! Plus a gallon of aviation hyd. fluid was $13.00. Well I stopped by our local auto parts store and asked the guy to find me an O-ring like this one (I had the bad one in hand). He said "sure" and disappeared to the back of the building. Came back in about 2 minutes and showed me and exact match! I said I will take it! I had to buy 4 because they come in a four pack. I asked what they were for and he said a GM automatic tranny, so I grabbed a qt. or Delco tranny fluid and headed for the hanger. I rebuilt both struts and filled them with fluid for,...are you ready for this? $4.55!! Aint homebuilts cool!!?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims mirror site at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:51:00 EST From: BSHADR Subject: KR: Prop Torque (Lecture...) In a message dated 98-03-11 23:44:07 EST, you write: << Randy; thanks, we needed that. >> My pleasure...besides, the bottom of this 'ol trench was gett'n pretty crowded with all of you folks down here with me. Thought I'd create a ceasefire so I could get a little room for myself at the bottom of this here ditch. Ya know, we all take wrong turns on occasion - and like all men, we can't (or don't, or won't) ask for directions...that's my story and I'm sticking to it! SPF Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:22:24 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Progress- no archive At 05:07 PM 3/11/98 PST, you wrote: > >Mike wrote: > >I made myself a >>nice jig this time for drilling the spar caps > >Whattya mean, "this time" Mike? You mean there are some mis-drilled >spars laying around there somewhere? ;o) ;o) > Nah the other jig was pretty hokey so drilling good holes was very time consuming! I am making another set though. I want two sets of outer wings for experimentation! Besides if they were mis-drilled I would just plug them and redrill! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims mirror site at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:14:20 -0600 From: Brian J Bland Subject: Re: KR: Wing patch >Question? >The hole is about six inches high and nine inches wide and there are two >layers of glass. I understand you grind a taper back two inches for every >layer of glass. That would mean the first layer of glass patch would be >two inches bigger than the hole and the second would be two inches bigger >than the first. Can sombody check me out on this one please > David, The way I would repair it is to taper back 3/4" -1" for every layer of the patch. I have always used 1 ply more than the # of plys of skin you are repairing. This means that for your repair I would sand back 2 1/4" - 3" and then place three layers of glass. The first ply will be 3/4" - 1" larger than the repair and each additional layer would be 3/4" - 1" larger than the previous one. I would recommend vacuum bagging the repair as it would turn out much nicer, stronger, and lighter. Don't know if this will help you, but it is how I always do it. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Another proud member of the Area51 BBA! bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:32:42 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: width At 09:28 PM 3/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >What would be the ideal width for using a Dragonfly canopy? >anyone know? > >AARP >(the Association for the Advancement of Richard Parker) > > The Dragonfly is 42 inches wide, or thereabouts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:25:18 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Wing patch David, I have a copy of Rutan's "Moldless Composite Sandwich Homebuilt Aircraft Construction" booklet, 2nd Edition, Sept. 1980. Dick recommended basically the same type of repair that Brian is suggesting - sand at a taper (slope) of one inch for each glass layer, making sure that the surface is completely dull, lay in the glass patches, then use one extra layer (one more than the number of glass patches) of BID over the whole patch. Ed Janssen At 04:14 AM 3/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Question? >>The hole is about six inches high and nine inches wide and there are two >>layers of glass. I understand you grind a taper back two inches for every >>layer of glass. That would mean the first layer of glass patch would be >>two inches bigger than the hole and the second would be two inches bigger >>than the first. Can sombody check me out on this one please >> > >David, > >The way I would repair it is to taper back 3/4" -1" for every layer of the patch. I have always used 1 ply more than the # of plys of skin you are repairing. This means that for your repair I would sand back 2 1/4" - 3" and then place three layers of glass. The first ply will be 3/4" - 1" larger than the repair and each additional layer would be 3/4" - 1" larger than the previous one. I would recommend vacuum bagging the repair as it would turn out much nicer, stronger, and lighter. > >Don't know if this will help you, but it is how I always do it. > > > > >Brian J Bland >Claremore, OK > >Another proud member of the Area51 BBA! > >bbland@busprod.com >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:21:07 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Video Perry At 04:50 PM 3/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >I must have missed the posting in the KR Newsletter for the 1997 video. > >I was at Perry,OK and would like to get one from "Video Bob" ?? > >CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A MAILING ADDRESS AND $ FOR THIS Yo dude its posted on every web page from here to Huntsville, AL Bob Vermeulen Omega Productions 616-774-3913 bvermeul@concentric.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims mirror site at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:07:50 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: 4-1 X/Over Exhaust. Dana, One of the guys at the local EAA chapter thought that it might be OK, but another A&P suggested it was too close. I will take some "AFTER" photos and post them. Basicly, get two folks, one on the torch, and the other with vise grips on a aluminum strap bent around the tubing. HEAT, then PULL. I also found a couple of days later that I wanted to move the entire collector tube DOWN away from the fuselage. Lucky for me there were two EAA members at the hangar each with torches, with one torch on each side of the exhaust manifold, I was able to move it down about 1" away from the bottom of the fuselage. It was touching (barely) at the bottom of the firewall as it exits the cowling. I didn't much care for that either. -- Regards Ross KR2 616TJ wrote: > Ross, > > Could you post a picture or discription of the mod you made on the 4-1 exhaust > to get additional clearance between it and the intake manifold. I, like you, > do not like the idea of the fuel proof connecting hose being so close to the > exhaust (ie, damn near touching). > > PS. gang someone better bite on that Diehl Accessory Case Mike posted about. > New, that configuration will run you $340.00. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:19:15 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR dreams... Mark, Wow, what a dream! Mind boggling. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, > > My apologies in advance. I hate to do this (since I'm the principal whiner > about messages off the subject) but I gotta tell you about this dream I had > last night: > > I was walking down the street and saw a car accident, in which a Lotus 7 > was hit by a truck, and the front cowl came flying off. It was still in > great shape, and looked like it would work perfectly on my KR2S. The owner > told me to take it since the rest of his car was totaled anyway. I called > my wife to bring the VW van to town, and then stepped into a local pub for > an ale. The locals were passing around a rasterized printout of a drive > shaft system for a VW, like the one I keep fretting over. When I asked > where he got it, he said "I had to go fishin' for it", and pointed towards > a video game in the corner. The flashing game was named "Dan Diehl's > fishin' game", and was similar to those confounded computer games that you > can waste months of your time on while trying to collect some bitmapped > trinkets to ever find the end. > > I started putting quarters in, but got nowhere. The oldtimer locals were > amused and were howling with glee, but eventually felt sorry for me and > came out with a dog-eared set of "directions", which had been hand typed, > copied several generations ago. It had been whited out and correctyped to > a just barely readable state. This "plan" was just what you needed to > unlock the secrets of the game. By following the plan, you could stumble > upon lots of KR building tidbits hidden away within the game. I started > playing feverishly, hitting the "print" button at every opportunity. > Eventually my wife showed up with the van, and the beeping horn woke me up > from this nightmare... Will it ever end? > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:34:06 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Howdy Hello fellow krnetters. I have been off the net for a bit working on my KR. It's amazing what moving to a hangar with electricity will do. There is new website for the FBO at CVO... (Corvallis, Oregon) Check it out..http://www.berteaaviation.com My hanger is about where the CDI needles are in the picture, (that is if you could see through the panel.) -- Regards Ross KR2 616TJ wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-05 15:23:20 EST, you write: > > << Is it worth while to spend the $8.00 for the RR info packet on the KR-2S > or would this just be redundant or even less informative than the > information presented on the KR Net. I have been on the KR Net for a > few months now and am on the list to buy the CD Rom when it is ready. > > Thank you, > > Phil Zeman >> > Phil, > > Like Mike said, check out the RR web site, then throw in a couple bucks more > and order the KR Gathering Video from Video Bob, much more fun. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:41:10 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Info request Ed, I started by scanning old photograps at Kinkos. They charged about $4.00/$7.00 for an 8x11 page, and I can fit several pictures on a page. However this was getting to be expensive, so I bought an HP scanner... and eventually an HP digital camera. (Since HP is across the street and my wife gets an employee discount, this had some impact on our decision.) I have a 600DPI scanner (B&W) which is 300DPI color, the digital camera was about the same price as the scanner, and I would recommend this before the scanner (around $300). It turns out that I use the camera much more frequently than I use the scanner, so If I were to get only one, I would get the camera. Save $$$ in developing costs over the life of our projcet. It only takes about a few trips to the 24 hour photo lab to pay for a digital camera. (I often let my film stack up then end up in a rush to see the pictures.) -- Ross Ed Janssen wrote: > KR Netters with webpages: I'm interested in setting up a web page, but > don't have the equipment for pictures except for two very good regular > cameras (I took wedding photography for a number of years). Is someone > interested in suggesting hardware you've been happy with - scanners with > regular cameras vs digital cameras, etc.? I'm pretty familiar with how > everything is suppose to work, but haven't been scouring the market for > best buys. My funds are pretty limited however I don't want to end up with > equipment with poor resolution, etc. either. > > If you think others would be interested in this kind of info, please post > it. Otherwise you can send private e-mail. Thanks a lot! > > Ed Janssen > > ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:43:56 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Giving away money!!! Bill, Ahh.... Send donations to: KRNET-L Builders & Flyers Originaztion c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis, OR 97330 $10.00 per yer is the suggested donation. Currently all funds go into a bank account awaiting Novembers $200+ annual bill for the website, but primarily to supoprt the majordomo list and storage for the archives. The web hosting is actually free as part of the account (the first 10Mb). -- Regards Ross XZOSTD1 wrote: > How does a KR builder support the KR net monetarily. > How much? To whom? > Nothing is free > Thanks, > Bill Huntley > KR2S Almost ready to start packing for Sun-N-Fun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:42:01 -0800 From: darrin Subject: KR: First Kr-1 Plans Does anyone know the year the first set of kr-1 plans were offered? I think I may have one of the first construction books printed. Darrin West Thomasville,Ga kr-1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:12:28 EST From: Willard561 Subject: Re: KR: First Kr-1 Plans I would guess1972, I think that that is when I ordered mine (sn 69) Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:59:58 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: scanners and Cameras Nice! I can hear the airplane noises now! Just a note.... if anyone attempts to attach nifty pictures... they will bounce if the entire message is > 40K bytes. Otherwise, they go out just fine via KRNET.. like this one did. However, if they bounce, they fill up my mailbox.... so try and check the size of the message before you send them. RFreibe131 wrote: > I have a setup I'm very pleased with. An STB Lightspeed Video card and STB TV > card. Now, I can watch TV instaed of working. More to the point, I can feed > my VCR into the system and "snap" a shot wherever I like in the stream. > Resolution ends up looking like a regular digital camera. > My granddaughter is very hard to catch in a good pose. With the VCR > approach, I can pull a shot out of the stream just when she hits the pose. > Good for action shots, airplanes, etcetra. This VCR approach works really > well for keeping photo documentation on a project. > Costs about 200 dollars in a good computer with PCI slots and an Intel > chipset. This is a very weird part of the computer business; compatability in > hardware is the key. Don't buy parts without assurance they'll work together. > I had to replace my Vxpro chipset in an otherwise excellent 6x86 Cyrix system > with an INTEL chipset board. The upside of the $200 is that you also have a > good game video card and can watch TV full size or a small background clip. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:09:37 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: KRNet support KRNET is doing fine at the moment... I shelled out an additional $60 for some mega disk space to hold all of are archives. Someday I will optimize this. At any rate the ISP bill is paid thru September (I think). I pay it annually for KRNET as we get a break. The base fee is $150.00/yr or so, and with another $60 for disk space and $50/yr for the www.krnet.org domain. That takes us to about $260/yr. I'm hoping that Oscar's CD-ROM sales could make us self sufficient, or when we get some more donations I can comission a KRNET lapel pin. This costs about $100 or so to get lapel pins launched, and I haven't decided to spend my own $$$ to make it happen just yet. Talk to me after my first flight, when I'm not pouring all my $$$ into Aircraft Spruce Orders, and maybe Id do it. In the meantime, I have a seperate savings account where I deposit KRNET members donations and I will start a major Whining campaign around June to insure we have enough funds to fly on the net for another year. If I do ever decide to pass on the reigns, our having a registered domain name means that if we move the site to a new ISP with domain hosting, people don't have to find us, the web address will stay the same. I don't have the majordomo stuff done at krnet.org, so that would change, but it would all be rather easy to transfer. I don't know of too many ISP accounts that provide free majordomo mailing lists, but that would be what would be required... in case somone decides they could do a better job at the admin task than yours truly. In the meantime, I occasionally whine.. and often let the email pile up over a week or so, but I really enjoy the KRNET. I don't think I would be finishing my plane if it wern't for stumbling into KRNET, then falling into the admin role. It got me involved locally to start a local EAA chapter, and now I know lots of other local builders whom I can beg/borrow tools from, and even get free stick time. Cool! Who's complaining? -- Regards Ross MikeT nyc wrote: > Good idea. I like the donation-to-a-worthy cause idea too, but I > >got to tell ya - I took enough flack off line on this donation issue to keep > >me silent for a long, long time to come when it comes to KRNet support. > >Apparently my interest to build KRNet to a point of self sufficiency doesn’t > >sit well with some. Heaven help us if Ross gets fed up and bails…I’ll bet > >his > >sys admin job is not one most of us would/could do. > > > >Randy (FKA Whinester) Stein > > I've long been a subscriber to National Public Radio, which whines like a cat > in heat every fund drive but still gets only 10% of its listeners to > subscribe. Maybe if KRNet called it "membership" and offered a button every > year to contributors, people would be more likely to contribute (or at least > more embarassed at fly-ins when they saw other people with buttons but not > themselves. . . . ) > > Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #53 ****************************