From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 8:31 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #58 krnet-l-digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 058 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:01:05 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: Re: Reasons For Parachutes; "AD" from BRS >#1 There were 2 bird hits that were repaired at my local strip last year. >One hit the tail of a Cherokee. The other took out the upper center >portion of the windshield on a 172. Both planes landed safely with >unbelievable amounts of damage. I am convinced that either of these hits >would >be fatal in a smaller plane. > I have come very close to birds(no reaction time) > #2 The NTSB reports posted by Ross Y earlier showed about 20 fatals. I have >to believe that these people had total faith and confidence in their skills >and aircraft. > #3 Somebody just posted information about damage caused after a rudder >pedal hinge broke. What if this happened at a more inappropriate time > #4 As long as I continue to build 1000# planes I can move the BRS chute >from plane to plane > #5 I like gadgets and a BRS chute is a great gadget. > #6 I don't want to leave my family yet. > #8 Death is permanent(unless I come back as a duck) > #7 Things happen to the best of us. Obviously, people have many reasons for wanting BRS chutes, including liking gadgets, etc. I'm just uncomfortable with suggestions that people who die in plane crashes died because they didn't have BRS chutes. From Aviation Safety (and the old newsletters), it's apparent that the OVERWHELMING number of fatalities in KR's and other planes come when people freak out after an engine failure and stall/spin, or try to make a 180 at low altitudes to return to the runway. Keep flying the plane and you'll fly again after a forced landing, even if the plane doesn't. Incidentally, I noticed in the March EAA "Experimenter" that BRS has issued an "Airworthiness Information Bulletin" on certain production runs of their units, which can require so much pull force to deploy that a normal person can't fire them in an emergency. The defective part is the "activating housing," and there's a procedure to see which kind you have (which I won't even try to explain, since I know nothing about these machines). If you bought a BRS unit from them I assume they'll send you the info. Otherwise you can reach them at BRSchute@aol.com or 612/457-7491. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:22:34 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Humor- no archive Hi Oscar. If you don't already have me on the distribution list for the CD ROM, please add my name and address. When it is ready, send it on and let me know how much to send you. Rich "stalled in the garage" McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, Kansas 66441 Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >Real stories from Flight Attendants apologizing for rough transport on > the airlines..... > > Upon landing hard, the pilot gets on the PA system, "Sorry folks for the > hard landing. It wasn't the pilot's fault, and it wasn't the plane's > fault. It was the asphalt." > > An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered > his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which > required the first officer to stand at the door while the passengers > exited, give a smile, and a "Thanks for flying XYZ airline." He said > that in light of his bad landing, he had > a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking that someone > would have a smart comment. Finally everyone had gotten off except for > this little old lady walking with a cane. She said, "Sonny, mind if I > ask you a question?" > "Why no Ma'am," said the pilot, "what is it?" The little old lady said, > "Did we land or were we shot down?" > > >From a disgruntled Southwest Airlines employee.... "Welcome aboard > Southwest Flight XXX, to YYY. To operate your seatbelt, insert the metal > tab into the buckle, and pull tight. It works just like every other > seatbelt, and if you > don't know how to operate one, you probably shouldn't be out in public > unsupervised. In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, oxygen > masks will descend from the ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and > pull it over your face. If you have a small child traveling with you, > secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are traveling with > two small children, decide > now which one you love more. Weather at our destination is 50 degrees > with some broken clouds, but they'll try to have them fixed before we > arrive. Thank you, and remember, noboby loves you, or your money, more > than Southwest Airlines." > > United Airlines FA: "Ladies and Gentlemen, as you are all now painfully > aware, our Captain has landed in Seattle. From all of us at United > Airlines we'd > like to thank you for flying with us today and please be very careful as > you open the overhead bins as you may be killed by falling luggage that > shifted during our so called "touch down." > > About 5 or 6 years ago I was on an American Airlines flight into > Amarillo, Texas, on a particularly windy and bumpy day. I could tell > during the final that the Captain was really having to fight it, and > after an extremely hard landing, > the Flight Attendant came on the PA and announced, "Ladies and > Gentlemen, welcome to Amarillo. Please remain in your seats with your > seatbelts fastened while the Captain taxis what's left of our airplane > to the gate!" > > Another flight Attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We > ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the > terminal." > > Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:49:34 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Flight Test Plan- no archive Oscar, What all are you including on the CD ROM and how much will it cost? If not too expensive, I want one. Rich McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Sorry, Netters; EagleGator's ISP won't let me e-mail him direct, so I'm > posting this to KRNet so he can see it > > >Hello, Rick > > > >This is in response to your post on KRNet about review of the Flight > >Test Plan. > > > >I have downloaded your Flight Test Plan and will read through it as > time > >allows; excellent piece of work. As mentioned on the Net, I would like > >to include this on the Traveling Resource Library CD-ROM, with your > >permission. Please let me know about this. > > > >Regards, > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:52:50 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: 1998 KR Gathering Hi gang, Just a quick note requesting volunteers and ideas for this year's gathering. It's never too early to start getting pumped up! There are several "specialties" that we could use volunteers for: 1. Air Boss 2. Food and Trinket sales 3. Security (more of a safety observer) 4. Contest Judges (spot landing, balloon bust, aircraft) 5. Seminar leaders/presenters 6. Fly Mart Cashier Randy has volunteered to do the name tags again, so a pre-registration web page form would be terrific to lead turn preparing them, if someone would care to undertake that. Here's the desired seminar list I have so far: 1. "Meet the Pilots" - probably both days 2. Composite Construction Basics demo 3. Vacuum Bagging demo 4. VW Engine Seminar 5. Alternative (Subaru?) Engine Seminar 6. Engine Installation 7. Aircraft Woodworking 8. Aircraft Antenna Construction 9. Flight Test Primer If there is a subject you would like to see a seminar on, let me know and I'll add it to the list. If you would like to GIVE a seminar, please let me know at your earliest convenience so we can firm up a schedule. I want to do a survey before this year's gathering to help suggest a place for next year's gathering. Last year at the banquet, "group think" took over when the subject came up and I think maybe Don got a little blind sided into hosting the event again this year. If we have some suggestions before hand, and maybe take an informal survey at registration, we'll have a chance to think about it more. Just a thought, please send me your ideas. I've got some details to talk with Don Betchan about regarding other activities, and once again I'll let y'all know as the plans gell. I'm putting together a "Pilot Guide" for all of the flyers that will contain all of the pattern procedures and communication, as well as restricted run-in headings and "no overflight" areas. It will also contain a diagram of airspace to be used for the aerial photo shoots, and specific "demo" areas for folks operating outside the traffic pattern. I'm working on ideas for flightline safety and refueling procedures that will eventually end up in there too, as well as posted at the hangar. It will also contain the contest rules. I plan on making it kneeboard/checklist size for easy use/reference in the cockpit. Any other ideas on what would be useful to have in the guide are welcome! Again, the dates for this year's gathering are September 18-19 at Perry OK. Lodging of choice is the Cherokee Best Western, (580)336-5954. Yes, for the veterns, the area code has changed. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:04:37 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Gathering ideas Rick; Thanks for taking the lead on organizing so much stuff for this year's Gathering. I would never have thought it possible, but I may actually be able to make it this year. In that light, but with tongue in cheek, I have some additional suggestions for seminar/workshops: 1. Mike Mims could do one on "Detecting Bogus WAFs". 2. RossY could do one on "Exhaust Pipe Tape Wrapping". 3. You (Rick) could do one on "Calculating Terminal Impact of Unopened Parachutes", both with and without Nomex flight suit. 4. Randy should probably do one on "Fund Raising for Fun And Profit". 5. I plan on hosting one called "Improving Your Reading Time In The Busy '90's", and of course I will be providing fresh bran muffins and chilled prune juice for all who attend. You must bring your own reading materials, however. ;o) As far as your preliminary list item #5 on alternative engines, there is an outfit in McAlester (I think) Oklahoma, RFI, who does Subaru conversions. The guy behind the company contributes to the "Engine Q&A" column in Experimenter, and maybe could bring a demo test stand engine and do some of the presenting in this seminar? I can try contacting him, if there is interest. McAlester is about 100 mi. from Perry, so maybe doable. A question: is mogas available on the field, for those flying behind auto conversions or STC'd lycosaurs? I did print and save your post, not only for the 'motel of choice' info, but to pencil in ideas as they come up. Regards, Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:24:01 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: 1998 KR Gathering Group should talk to Spud Spornitz who edits the Dragonfly, VW News and GP4 newsletter. He has asked us for several years to join the Dragonfly, Q-2 and Quickie Fly-in in Ottawa KS. They hold it over Labor Day weekend and usually have about 30 aircraft show up. As we all have similar type aircraft it would be a natural. Spud enjoys the planning and execution and does a great job. They provide lower cost lodging, some transportation and a great dinner. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:40:51 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: 1998 KR Gathering Rick, I'll volunteer again to do the composites seminar again, athough my image is somewhat tarnished after mixing Aeropoxy 100:44 (rather than 100:27) and wondering why it practically started boiling soon after. But if somebody else wants to shed a different kind of light on the subject, that would be fine too. I might learn something if somebody else did it. Mike Mims is welcome to help me too, if he's not too busy flying admiring builders... Otherwise it sounds like you're doing a bang-up job in the flight planning department. I like Steve Bennett's idea of going to Spud's thing, but I'd still want to keep a separate gathering for the KRs. I know when mine is built, I'll fly to them both, and welcome every opportunity to meet more builders and pilots of either variety. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:51:55 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: ELT antenna? ELTHeads, I got my ELT and have installed my antenna, but I have two questions. I'm supposed to provide a ground plane using either aluminum foil (sounds hoaky, or at least ugly) or by painting some stuff called Spraylat 559 or equivalent in a 36" radius circle under the antenna. Of course, after a crash, neither of these would be intact so this may be a waste, but I fear the inspector will want to see this thing installed by the book, and that's what the book says to do. But does anybody know where I could find such a thing as spray aluminum or copper? Or is there another socially acceptable method of creating a ground plane, such as an x pattern of copper tape or similar? Also, has anybody ever been told at inspection that their ELT mounting wasn't up to par? This one says mount to something that won't break with 100 lbs of force exerted in the flimsiest direction. That eliminates all but the spars in my plane, and I'm sitting on them already. I may end up mounting the ELT on the aft side of the aft spar for that "bulletproof" installation. There's nothing in the tail that could stand that requirement. The antenna is about midway between the seats and tail. Just wondering what others had experienced... I'm probably ordering the rest of my flight and engine instruments next week, and have torn down my Type 4 for it's 2.7 liter conversion coming soon. Just waitin' on those new airfoil coordinates to get serious about wing construction. Thanks in advance... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:12:00 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: spraylat Silly me. I did a web search and found Spraylat in 84 places. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:51:03 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (WAYLAND T. STOKES) Subject: Re: KR: 1998 KR Gathering Rick I could take part of the fly-mart cashier but would like to see the composit seminar. Tom Stokes, Reno NV _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:59:39 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: spraylat At 09:12 PM 3/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >Silly me. I did a web search and found Spraylat in 84 places. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > Mark, just be careful you get the right stuff. There is a Spraylat that is used to protect plexiglass canopies. I doubt it has any value as a ground plane. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:06:41 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: Re: 1998 Gathering Ooops. The number for the Cherokee Best Western is (580)336-2218, and rates are 40.50 for single, 43.20 for double occupancy per night. Please DO NOT call the number I posted last, the Betchan residence isn't taking any more reservations! Cheers! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:10:22 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (WAYLAND T. STOKES) Subject: KR: Re: 1998 KR Gathering Mark I for one would love to see your and Mike's demenstration again. Having 2 kids with me last year I missed most of it. Tom Stokes in Reno NV On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:40:51 -0600 "Mark Langford" writes: >Rick, > >I'll volunteer again to do the composites seminar again, athough my >image >is somewhat tarnished after mixing Aeropoxy 100:44 (rather than >100:27) and >wondering why it practically started boiling soon after. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:20:58 -0800 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: Sun and Fun Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > > If there would be enough interest, we would be glad to host an Airport > BBQ for KR folks at our trailer on April 20 after the display buildings > close at 5:00 pm. We travel with a grill and could furnish hot dogs, > polish sausage etc... brewskies and pop. Steve Steve, I think a BBQ is great. I'll be there all week as a volunteer to help with a very ambitious Young Eagle program. Thanks for the offer. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:27:01 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: KR: Fwd: VW conversion [Able Exp Aircraft Engines] Hey guys, Got the following reply from Able Experimental Aircraft Engines. Anyone live in the Fort Walton Beach Florida area that could go and witness one of these motors on the dyno and report back? These are the guys claiming to be getting 100HP@3000RPM for a normally asperated 2.1 litre VW motor (http://www.altimizer.com/engine_specs.html). After I wrote them as a non-believer, they're offering to run one up on the dyno with witnesses..... Mike Sharkey X11 Development SoftArc Inc. http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey - ----- clipity clip ---- Dear Mike: First of all, I wish to clarify that we do not build VW conversions. Our engines are assembled from new components, many of which are custom manufactured. Our engines are purpose-built for home-built/experimental aircraft use. One of the means we utilize to achieve the higher horsepower output is to reach far in excess of 100% volumetric efficiency at a specific area of the power band useful for turning a propeller of a reasonable diameter. This is achieved in part by matching all the various dimensions of engine parts (valve diameter, valve lift, engine timing, ignition timing, etc.) so they work as a system and each compliment power output. For example, we have found that a properly sized induction manifold can do amazing things when the other various components are properly sized and matched to it. In our engines, the power band is very limited and is short. The horsepower and torque curve climb rapidly, whereas the torque curve peaks at around 2700 or 2800 rpm's and then starts to fall off sharply. The horsepower curve continues to climb until it peaks at around 3200 and then it starts to go downhill quite rapidly. The ram-induction affect has run its course. To arrive at the best values/dimensions to incorporate into our engines, we use some very expensive software which have made the construction of such more-powerful-than-usual engines. Without such tools I would have never known or believed that such was possible. A trial-and-error technique of R&D to arrive at the same results would have been futile as well as cost and time prohibititive. I stand by my claims and am willing to perform a dyno test with my Land and Sea dynometer, with audience. Sincerely yours, Ron Eubanks - ---------- - ----- clipity clip ---- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:47:25 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: ELT antenna? Mark Langford wrote: big snip > Also, has anybody ever been told at inspection that their ELT mounting > wasn't up to par? This one says mount to something that won't break with > 100 lbs of force exerted in the flimsiest direction. This sounds over-designed. The idea of an ELT is to go off in a surviable accident. If your elt weights about one pound, you are looking at about 100g's of deaccelation. 20-40g's is about the upper limit. The other point I can offer is that the ELT is not required until you leave the test area. You can avoid putting it in until have your 40 hours flown off. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:32:02 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: Flight Test Briefing Guide Hi gang, I just uploaded a really good briefing guide/checklist to use before test flights. I don't have a hot link to it yet, but you can download it with http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/faabrief.doc. It's in Word 2.0 format. Using a briefing guide like this one is a great way to make sure you haven't missed anything in your flight preparations, and gets you into the mode of systematic operation before you even walk out to the airplane. Take a look! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com richard.m.junkin@boeing.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:50:04 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: ELT antenna? At 08:47 AM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >This sounds over-designed. The idea of an ELT is to go off in a >surviable accident. If your elt weights about one pound, you are >looking at about 100g's of deaccelation. 20-40g's is about the upper >limit. > Yeah it does to me too, I took a look at the ELTs in the 3 homebuilts in my hanger and non of them have a large ground plane, actually they are all removable with their own antenna. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:36:21 PST From: "Rogerio Werneck" Subject: KR: PT-ZMJ Hello KRnetters I have just joined the list and I hope some of you can help me. Does anyone know the name/address/fone of PT-ZMJ builder ? or where i could get it ? I wanna talk to him to get some hints (we both live in Brazil) []'s Rogério Werneck (RoW) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:14:52 -0300 From: "Luis Lolata" Subject: KR: Re: PT-ZMJ Londrina/PR 23/03/98 Olá Rogerio Respondendo a sua pergunta, conheço o proprietário da aeronave KR-2S PT-ZMJ, Cmte. Agliberto Macedo, que reside na cidade de Guaratinguetá/SP. Infelizmente não posso fornecer-lhe o endereço/telefone do Cmte. Macedo, mas caso queira, é só entrar em contato com o aeroclube de guaratinguetá e eles o informarão. Atenciosamente, Luis Rogério Fernandes Lolata lolata@sercomtel.com.br - ---------- > De: Rogerio Werneck > Para: krnet-l@teleport.com > Assunto: KR: PT-ZMJ > Data: Segunda-feira, 23 de Março de 1998 14:36 > > Hello KRnetters > > I have just joined the list and I hope some of you can help me. > Does anyone know the name/address/fone of PT-ZMJ builder ? or where i > could get it ? > > I wanna talk to him to get some hints (we both live in Brazil) > > []'s > > Rogério Werneck (RoW) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:18:46 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Double checking This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5666.97B4BFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain = the same width at the firewall? 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5666.97B4BFA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:20:28 PST From: "Rogerio Werneck" Subject: Re: KR: Re: PT-ZMJ >From owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Mon Mar 23 10:23:52 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13600; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) >Received: by smtp2.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:12 -0800 >Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA13524 for krnet-l-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) >Received: from seda.sercomtel.com.br (seda.sercomtel.com.br [200.250.19.2]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13468 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) >Received: from 3777.sercomtel.com.br (cana.sercomtel.com.br [200.250.11.2]) > by seda.sercomtel.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20165 > for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:19:54 -0300 (EST) >Message-Id: <199803231819.PAA20165@seda.sercomtel.com.br> >From: "Luis Lolata" >To: >Subject: KR: Re: PT-ZMJ >Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:14:52 -0300 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Precedence: bulk >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.teleport.com id KAA13600 > >Londrina/PR 23/03/98 > >Ol=E1 Rogerio > >Respondendo a sua pergunta, conhe=E7o o propriet=E1rio da aeronave KR-= >2S=20 >PT-ZMJ, >Cmte. Agliberto Macedo, que reside na cidade de Guaratinguet=E1/SP. >Infelizmente n=E3o posso fornecer-lhe o endere=E7o/telefone do Cmte. Mace= >do, >mas caso queira, =E9 s=F3 entrar em contato com o aeroclube de guaratingu= >et=E1 e >eles o informar=E3o. > > >Atenciosamente, > >Luis Rog=E9rio Fernandes Lolata > >lolata@sercomtel.com.br =20 > >---------- >> De: Rogerio Werneck >> Para: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Assunto: KR: PT-ZMJ >> Data: Segunda-feira, 23 de Mar=E7o de 1998 14:36 >>=20 >> Hello KRnetters >>=20 >> I have just joined the list and I hope some of you can help me. >> Does anyone know the name/address/fone of PT-ZMJ builder ? or where i=20 >> could get it ? >>=20 >> I wanna talk to him to get some hints (we both live in Brazil) >>=20 >> []'s >>=20 >> Rog=E9rio Werneck (RoW) >>=20 >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:24:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Double checking At 02:18 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain the same width at the firewall? > > I did but if I would have known that I would be using a Lyc. or a Continental I would have widened it a bit as well as made it a little deeper. The arch on the bottom of the fuselage is to severe to make a nice cowling that blends in smoothly with the fuselage. Oh well maybe next time! By adding the two pieces to the bottom of the fuselage to form a cooling exit tunnel I also gained 2 inches and this will help quite a bit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:32:07 -0600 From: Brian J Bland Subject: Re: KR: Double checking At 11:24 AM 3/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 02:18 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >>To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain the >same width at the firewall? >> >> > >I did but if I would have known that I would be using a Lyc. or a >Continental I would have widened it a bit as well as made it a little >deeper. The arch on the bottom of the fuselage is to severe to make a nice >cowling that blends in smoothly with the fuselage. Oh well maybe next time! > >By adding the two pieces to the bottom of the fuselage to form a cooling >exit tunnel I also gained 2 inches and this will help quite a bit. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims > I widened my firewall by 2". Also my fuselage sides are vertical (do not slope inward as they go down. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Another proud member of the Area51 BBA! bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:40:01 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Double checking >I widened my firewall by 2". Also my fuselage sides are vertical (do not slope inward >as they go down. I hadnt thought of vertical sides. other than less wing area (or longer spars) have there been any drawbacks or benefits. Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:05:03 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: firewall This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD566D.0EB7EA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain = the same width at the firewall? The reason I'm asking is because i'd like to stretch the width out to at = least 42" and move the widest point back to the trailing edge ( i.e. = Langford). I'm ready to put my sides together and am not real sure how = much stretch I can get. Also if I leave the firewall stock I'll get = more wetted area in front (drag) therefore I figured if I widen the = firewall the wetted are will stay relatively the same as per plans. =20 Since most of you probably either widened or thought about it, are there = any obvious things I'm overlooking? (All this just so I can fit a $11.95 prepunched instrument panel seems a = little kooky) See what agony you've caused me Austin! Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD566D.0EB7EA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>To all you guys out there with = widened=20 fuselages did you still maintain the same width at the = firewall?
 
The reason I'm asking is because i'd = like to=20 stretch the width out to at least 42" and move the widest point = back to the=20 trailing edge ( i.e. Langford). I'm ready to put my sides together and = am not=20 real sure how much stretch I can get.  Also if I leave the firewall = stock  I'll get more wetted area in front (drag)  therefore I = figured=20 if I widen the firewall the wetted are will stay relatively the same as = per=20 plans. 
 
Since most of you probably either = widened or=20 thought about it, are there any obvious things I'm = overlooking?
 
(All this just so I can fit a $11.95 prepunched = instrument=20 panel seems a little kooky)
 
See what agony you've caused me Austin!
 
Richard Parker
Jaffrey, NH
theparkers@monad.net
http://top.monad.net/~theparke= rs/
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BD566D.0EB7EA40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:56:14 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: firewall At 15:05 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >>To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain the same width at the firewall? > >The reason I'm asking is because i'd like to stretch the width out to at least 42" and move the widest point back to the trailing edge ( i.e. Langford). I'm ready to put my sides together and am not real sure how much stretch I can get. Also if I leave the firewall stock I'll get more wetted area in front (drag) therefore I figured if I widen the firewall the wetted are will stay relatively the same as per plans. > >Since most of you probably either widened or thought about it, are there any obvious things I'm overlooking? > >(All this just so I can fit a $11.95 prepunched instrument panel seems a little kooky) > >See what agony you've caused me Austin! > >Richard Parker Sorry Rich .... So you have the panel? I fit mine by cutting out the two center 3 1/8" holes and splicing the panel back together in the middle. Wound up with a panel 37" wide. It looks good and I couldnt afford to fill all the holes anyhow! I left the firewall dimensions according to plans. Sounds like you are off to a good start! Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:44:09 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Double checking Richard Parker wrote: >To all you guys out there with widened fuselages did you still maintain the same >width at the firewall? I left my firewall the same, but I'm worried now that my transition to the cowling from the top view will look a little disjointed. I may do the jowl/cheek thing with foam and glass like the KR1 guys have to do. I left it stock shaped so that I could use the RR cowling, but after reading Monte's article on major surgery to make it fit anyway, it wouldn't matter. And given my missile nose, I'll have to make my own anyway. I haven't modeled it up yet, but given the opportunity, I'd definitely make it wider now. I'd have less bending in the longerons too. I'd think that straight sides would be good, if for nothing else, to eliminate the banana boat syndrome completely! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:46:17 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: straight sides Straight sides would make crossmember and gusset cutting a real breeze too... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:33:39 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: firewall >Sorry Rich .... So you have the panel? I fit mine by cutting out the two >center 3 1/8" holes and splicing the panel back together in the middle. >Wound up with a panel 37" wide. It looks good and I couldnt afford to fill >all the holes anyhow! >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS >itac@datasync.com >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ I'm actually planning on veneering (something) over the panel to cover up all the holes then just cut out the locations I'm going to use with a utility knife. That way I can easily add things. Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:41:02 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: straight sides >Straight sides would make crossmember and gusset cutting a real breeze >too... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford Why do you thing they are angled in the plans? I'm sure it wasnt thrown in just to do compound angles on the crossmembers. Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:33:53 -0600 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: Re: KR: Double checking I went to 39 1/2 and 34 1/2 on the firewall I went 44 inchs on the width and the Instrument Panel fit in just right. I flew a Grumman last weekend and I am thinking about going with the Grumman windshield and I think it will fit Wag-Aero has it for 199.50 dollar. Terry Chizek Marion Kansas ---------- > From: Richard Parker > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Double checking > Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 1:40 P > > > > > I hadnt thought of vertical sides. other than less wing area (or longer > spars) have there been any drawbacks or benefits. > > Richard Parker > Jaffrey, NH > theparkers@monad.net > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #58 ****************************