From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 9:08 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #61 krnet-l-digest Monday, March 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:58:14 EST From: KRkip Subject: Re: KR: Re: Hi Richard Your young eagle day sounds like fun if the weather this way proves to be good enough i will try to fly down on sunday. To save me the time to look it up what are the runway lengths where this will all take place. I hope to leave for SNF on the 16 of April in my KR at this time i am flying down as a flight of 2 with a friend in his WAR replica FW190. He wants to sell it at the show.This should be a longer trip this time because he can only cruise at 130mph and has only a 200mile range. Ihope the weather will be good this sunday,if so i will see you there..Kip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:42:07 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Cowling At 06:34 AM 3/27/98 PST, you wrote: > > > >I will sooner or later get out to Paul's and do that. Meanwhile, I can >report that he is steadily working away at his bird. He is getting a >new exhaust system after having to cut out part of the one he had on it >in order to accommodate the nosewheel. He decided not to try rewelding >and reshaping the pieces. >Regards, > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > What exhaust system does Paul have? Why did he have to cut the exhaust system? How was the exhaust system modified? The reason I need this information is because I was getting ready to modify the '4 into 1' exhaust system that I purchased from GPASC. The reason for my mods is because the exhaust system is a copy of Alvin Campbell's exhaust he used 2" spacers between the engine and motor mount and I used only 1" spacers. Both KRs are trigears. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:36:36 -0800 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: kr2s Archive site is back up... ... and sorry for the delayed downtime. The data is current through V2 issue 60. John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - building the spars Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:44:58 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: kr2s Archive site is back up... John Good to hear from ya. How is the project coming? Mine has been slow do to massive "honey dues" John F. Esch Salem, OR http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch John Bouyea wrote: > ... and sorry for the delayed downtime. The data is current through > V2 > issue 60. > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - building the spars > Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:20:44 +0200 From: "J.F. de Wet" Subject: KR: test test ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:24:02 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Vinyl Ester Resin You guys ready for some fun? If you're tired of slow curing Aeorpoxy, Dow 330 or watching your wife's fingernail polish dry, give vinyl ester a go. The weather finally cooperated with 70 plus degrees so I thought I would give that one legged man in an ass kickin contest a run for his money. Mark Langford, thanks for the info from the phone call, a 1% ratio seems to do the trick. Anyone getting ready to start a fuel tank, I followed Mark's page info and glassed in two layers of cloth then came in with peel ply to get a good smooth interior finish for the tank. Don't mix this stuff up in large quantities, you will literally watch it set up. I measured out three batches of 200 oz. each and mixed each one with two oz. of mekp, it might have been 6 or 8 drops, don't overdo this part you will be sorry. After I laid on the peel ply I came back with another 100 oz. or resin to wet this out real good. If you want a good buzz, hold the mixing bowl under your face while you use your squeegee, believe me it won't stay there long. Waiting for April 15th. and then SUN & FUN!!!!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:35:51 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. Anybody know what the going rate is for inspections? Not too long ago a buddy of mine got his Pulsar inspected for $300.00. The guy didn't know a thing about composite construction. The reason I ask is another buddy was supposed to have his Kitfox inspected today and we busted our butts this week getting all the little things done so that the guy could call 20 minutes before the inspection and say he couldn't make it. This is just for reference but I'd like to know what everyone across the country paying. Thanks guys Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:53:16 -0700 From: "Adrian H. Carter" Subject: Re: KR: Vinyl Ester Resin KR2 616TJ wrote: > You guys ready for some fun? > > If you're tired of slow curing Aeorpoxy, Dow 330 or watching your wife's > fingernail polish dry, give vinyl ester a go. The weather finally cooperated > with 70 plus degrees so I thought I would give that one legged man in an ass > kickin contest a run for his money. Mark Langford, thanks for the info from > the phone call, a 1% ratio seems to do the trick. Anyone getting ready to > start a fuel tank, I followed Mark's page info and glassed in two layers of > cloth then came in with peel ply to get a good smooth interior finish for the > tank. Don't mix this stuff up in large quantities, you will literally watch > it set up. I measured out three batches of 200 oz. each and mixed each one > with two oz. of mekp, it might have been 6 or 8 drops, don't overdo this part > you will be sorry. After I laid on the peel ply I came back with another 100 > oz. or resin to wet this out real good. > If you want a good buzz, hold the mixing bowl under your face while you use > your squeegee, believe me it won't stay there long. > > Waiting for April 15th. and then SUN & FUN!!!!! > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Hi Dana, Now your talking, vinylester is a good resin, am surprized more guys don't use it because it is impervious to most solvents and chemicals and it does not leave a wax on the surface like the polyesters do. It wets out real good. If you see my website, my turtle deck and all fiberglass parts are all vinylester. It may be a bit more expensive than the others. I love working with the stuff but I use a filter mask with a few drops of any pleasant smelling liquid on the filters. Like a whiskey or good Ol' Crow bourbon. Good Luck and Happy Flying! Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:06:27 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: >Hi Richard Your young eagle day sounds like fun if the weather this way >proves to be good enough i will try to fly down on sunday. To save me the time >to look it up what are the runway lengths where this will all take place. Keene (EEN ) has a 4000 ft and a nice new under utilized 6200 foot runway . I'll be flying Archer 6249C and will be listening for you. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:03:06 -0600 From: "Pdrdean" Subject: Re: KR: T88 Temps I am sure I saw the answer to this somewhere, but, despite my best attempt I can't find it. I made my pilgrimage to Wicks today (768 miles round trip with an 8 year old - glad we're home!) for a load of KR parts and when I got home I was perusing the back of a bottle of T88. The bottle specifically says that "glued parts should not be used above 150 F." I know many people have had a lot of success with this stuff, but I wonder - does the joint progressively loose strength as the temp approaches 150? Should I be concerned or use something different? I can easily see where the joint temps could reach 150 while sitting in the sun on a hot summer day. Dean drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:12:16 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. Mine was $125 by a contractor to the FAA. Same guy did another plane I had inspected this morning for the same price. Guess it depends on the area and how much they think they can guage you for. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:35:51 EST KR2 616TJ writes: >Anybody know what the going rate is for inspections? Not too long ago >a buddy >of mine got his Pulsar inspected for $300.00. The guy didn't know a >thing >about composite construction. The reason I ask is another buddy was >supposed >to have his Kitfox inspected today and we busted our butts this week >getting >all the little things done so that the guy could call 20 minutes >before the >inspection and say he couldn't make it. This is just for reference >but I'd >like to know what everyone across the country paying. > >Thanks guys > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:19:30 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. KR2 616TJ wrote: > > Anybody know what the going rate is for inspections? Not too long ago a buddy > of mine got his Pulsar inspected for $300.00. The guy didn't know a thing > about composite construction. The reason I ask is another buddy was supposed > to have his Kitfox inspected today and we busted our butts this week getting > all the little things done so that the guy could call 20 minutes before the > inspection and say he couldn't make it. This is just for reference but I'd > like to know what everyone across the country paying. > > Thanks guys > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, I paid $200.00 Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:17:46 From: Flesner Subject: Re: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. At 01:35 PM 3~28~98 EST, you wrote: >Anybody know what the going rate is for inspections? Not too long ago a buddy >of mine got his Pulsar inspected for $300.00. The guy didn't know a thing >about composite construction. >Dana Overall > Dana, Two builders in southern Illinois had their RV's inspected recently. They were both in the same hanger for the inspection. The FAA designated inspector nailed them EACH $300 and then hit them up for $200 mileage( .41 cents a mile). There was no inspector in this part of the state. The guy showed up late on a Friday afternoon and inspected the first RV. After looking at the second RV for about 15 minutes he signed it off. He took their money, made the comment that "he was comming to the area anyway for the weekend" , climbed into his motorhome towing his Jeep Grand Cherokee and drove off into the sunset!!!! People around here are getting the impression that this is a FAA retirement program as all the inspectors are retired fed's. I passed this info along to our state aviation people and asked them to pass it along to the fed's as I know they have interaction. I told them I did't want to P= =s anyone off as I was hoping to get mine inspected this year !!!!!!! A KINDER AND FRIENDLIER FAA???? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 1998 16:47:00 +0200 From: "Lempola Esko" Subject: KR: engines available owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [16:3:1998 4.16]: For anyone who is interested, I have a buddy who is an A&P who has a couple= of C-85/90 engines which can be yellow tagged and available at excellent price= s. Anyone interested please E-mail me privately and I=20will put you in touch.= His work is excellent and he can make the engines available as zero time overha= ul. Please, let me have more information about these engines, prices etc. Esko Lempola esko.lempola@icl.fi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:47:04 -0500 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. Hi Dana.. Re the annual instection- my A & P has charged $400 for the last 2 years and $350 before that. It's not a down to the bare bones inspection as I had a couple of the $5000 annuals early on but he finds what's a problem and gets an IA to sign himself off. By the way it's for a 64 Cessna 172. He works out of Jackson County Airport and will move to Gwinnette airport soon if your friend wants to come this far. ron dewees atlanta ga _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:40:12 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: KR2 Nose Roller for sale I have a Diehl Nose gear assembly from my (to be a taildragger) project. There was cosmetic rust on the mount and the lower unit, which I have cleaned and painted. The strut is new from Diehl, and has been honed out to fit the mount (big job) on the advice of Diehl. The bottom fitting is still to tight; I started to grind it out, and decided it could be done much better and more easily in a lathe ( which I don't have) because of the shorter engagement. This assembly will be $300 to whoever wants it. Phone if you wish to 941 694 4464 Ron Freiberger KR2S, Fort Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:29:16 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: FYI and other stuff Netters, I was just browsing through my paperwork that came with my Matco wheels and brakes and wanted to pass along that it states that the O-rings in the Matco master cylinders are NOT compatible with automotive brake fluid. It says to use ONLY MIL-H-5607. I wasn't planning on using automotive fluid but I thought I remember hearing someone on the list was. Also there was a debate here about the crush or friction value of the WAFs when all the bolts were installed and torqued. Well just for kicks I installed the two old KB WAFs I used as templates. These old dudes were worn pretty badly, the holes for the an3 bolts were about 1/32 oversize. Anyway I installed them and torqued all the bolts. I lifted up and down on the main spar and sure enough it was making a nice solid clicking sound as well as moving up and down about 1/2 inch. I had my wife apply pressure up and down on the spar while I watched and you could see the bolts and spar moving back and forth inside the WAF. So needless to say there is no friction value what so ever with the WAFs. Today I tapered the right aft spar and realized all my wood work is done!! Woo Hoo!! I also installed all the spars and stapled a plywood rib to each tip. I rolled her out on the tarmac and gave it a good looking over. I think she's gona look just fine! :o) Next week we cut cores and micro them in place. Wont be long now and we will have wings! I bought two more gallons of EZ-poxy and filled up the pump, were ready for glassing! Thanks to the list and the little network of friends I have made I may have found two Bendix mags at a great price. After the wings are glassed and the project is on her back (to glass and finish the belly) I plan to start pulling the jugs off my little (ha ha) engine. I should be able to hang the engine sometime in the next 2 months. This is getting exciting! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:46:49 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Gathering ideas Oscar, Actually I have a good tip... assuming I can make it this year. A fellow EAAer (Jim Shrock -- see his beautiful RV in Sport Aviation). told me that he got some glassing tips from a local Glassair or Lancair builder. He used the following technique for some fairings. 1) Get a garbage bag, light color if possible 2) Cut it open 3) Draw an outline with a permanent marker of the part you wish to make, but make it 3" to 5" larger than the piece you want to lay up. (Make 2 sheets) 4) Cut glass 1" to 2" less than the size of the plastic outline. (2 BID) 5) Place the glass on the plastic garbage bag over the outline. 6) Pour/brush your epoxy over the glass. 7) Lay the second sheet of glass over the first. 8) Make a sandwich, with the second garbage bag. 9) Roll all the air bubbles out with a roller. (I used a piece of 2" PVC conduit I had laying around this weekend.) 10) Cut the garbage bag on your outline. 11) Check the fit of the piece your have made. Trim to fit. 12) Remove the backing piece of garbage bag. 13) viola! You have a pressure sensitive Layup! No mess. 14) After positioning the piece, remove the top layer. No fuss no muss. I used this technique the last two weekends and it sure makes working with wet cloth a breeze! I think that you could end up starving the glass of epoxy by rolling it like this, but you do wet the cloth out wonderfully, and the wetted cloth doesn't drip epoxy all over, or get epoxy where you don't want it. With the plastic in place on both sides, you can cut the wet cloth with scissors, and it is slick! So, what I was saying, is that I think the technique is great for cowlings, and other non structural applicatoins, but if you are doing the wings, you might want to try some test coupons to insure you aren't making dry layups. - -- Regards Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Rick; > > Thanks for taking the lead on organizing so much stuff for this year's > Gathering. I would never have thought it possible, but I may actually > be able to make it this year. In that light, but with tongue in cheek, > I have some additional suggestions for seminar/workshops: > > 1. Mike Mims could do one on "Detecting Bogus WAFs". > 2. RossY could do one on "Exhaust Pipe Tape Wrapping". > 3. You (Rick) could do one on "Calculating Terminal Impact of Unopened > Parachutes", both with and without Nomex flight suit. > 4. Randy should probably do one on "Fund Raising for Fun And Profit". > 5. I plan on hosting one called "Improving Your Reading Time In The > Busy '90's", and of course I will be providing fresh bran muffins and > chilled prune juice for all who attend. You must bring your own reading > materials, however. ;o) > > As far as your preliminary list item #5 on alternative engines, there is > an outfit in McAlester (I think) Oklahoma, RFI, who does Subaru > conversions. The guy behind the company contributes to the "Engine Q&A" > column in Experimenter, and maybe could bring a demo test stand engine > and do some of the presenting in this seminar? I can try contacting > him, if there is interest. McAlester is about 100 mi. from Perry, so > maybe doable. > > A question: is mogas available on the field, for those flying behind > auto conversions or STC'd lycosaurs? > > I did print and save your post, not only for the 'motel of choice' info, > but to pencil in ideas as they come up. > > Regards, > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:51:04 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: ELT antenna? Mark, I don't think my ELT antenna installation will meet the 100# stipulation, but for the ground plane, I used some aluminum ducting material (really thin). Then I traced a circle with a coffee can and cut the thing out. I think my little circle is about 6" in diameter, way under the 36". If I'm not mistaken, I thought I read that this would work in the RST avionics book... however I could be hosed here, it could have been for the transponder, I'll have to check. At any rate I might be hosed as a 36" diameter ground plane will be covering up my COM antenna. As it is, I think I may have problems with my installation, but I'm going to check it out and see. The COM and the ELT are not going to be operating at the same time anyway. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > ELTHeads, > > I got my ELT and have installed my antenna, but I have two questions. I'm > supposed to provide a ground plane using either aluminum foil (sounds > hoaky, or at least ugly) or by painting some stuff called Spraylat 559 or > equivalent in a 36" radius circle under the antenna. Of course, after a > crash, neither of these would be intact so this may be a waste, but I fear > the inspector will want to see this thing installed by the book, and that's > what the book says to do. But does anybody know where I could find such a > thing as spray aluminum or copper? Or is there another socially acceptable > method of creating a ground plane, such as an x pattern of copper tape or > similar? > > Also, has anybody ever been told at inspection that their ELT mounting > wasn't up to par? This one says mount to something that won't break with > 100 lbs of force exerted in the flimsiest direction. That eliminates all > but the spars in my plane, and I'm sitting on them already. I may end up > mounting the ELT on the aft side of the aft spar for that "bulletproof" > installation. There's nothing in the tail that could stand that > requirement. The antenna is about midway between the seats and tail. Just > wondering what others had experienced... > > I'm probably ordering the rest of my flight and engine instruments next > week, and have torn down my Type 4 for it's 2.7 liter conversion coming > soon. Just waitin' on those new airfoil coordinates to get serious about > wing construction. > > Thanks in advance... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:59:50 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Rob, Yep... I found more hangar rash on my wings... UGH. Just when I'm getting ready to sand and paint... the wing falls and 'pop' goes the wing skin as it gets skewered! Oh well... I'm getting pretty good at this glassing stuff by now, it is fun. Can't wait to ground loop this summer so I can do some more ;) -- Regards Ross Rob Matthews wrote: > Hi All > > Does the work on these planes ever come to an end. It seems that you take one > step forward and then two backwards. I know how Ross feels when you find > something new each time to do. > But it is fun and watching the video from video Bob makes more and more > determined to complete and start flying. > Cheers for now > -- > Rob Matthews Have a nice day > South Africa > email mathewrz@iafrica.com > KR 2 ZS-VCM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:03:21 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Mike, I live at an uncontrolled airport.... however it is the busiest non-towered airport in Oregon with daily Fed-X and Hewlett Packard turbines and lots of GA activity. I like the idea of having a radio just to let folks know I'm around in the pattern. We have a IFR approach on 17, and it's nice to know when folks are using this if you are doing touch and goes on 09/27. You might not catch this if you don't have the radio, at least a handheld. -- Regards Ross Micheal Mims wrote: > At 06:10 PM 3/24/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Hi All > > > >Does the work on these planes ever come to an end. It seems that you take one > >step forward and then two backwards.>> > > Well that could be a reflection of how much stuff you have in your project. > I plan to have a little as possible (to be legal) and that should help quite > a bit towards getting in the air sooner. Heck if I lived at an uncontrolled > airport I wouldn't even have a radio! Unfortunately I will need a very > small electrical system to run the radio and transponder. I really wish I > didn't have to purchase these multi thousand dollar pieces of equipment but > what other options do I have? :o) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Proud Member of the Area51 BBA > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Mirror site at: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:06:34 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Mike, I think you could run the Terra off a 9V battery, I need to check the manual, it might need 12V. The current drain is very minimal. MikeT nyc wrote: > >Heck if I lived at an uncontrolled > >airport I wouldn't even have a radio! Unfortunately I will need a very > >small electrical system to run the radio and transponder. I really wish I > >didn't have to purchase these multi thousand dollar pieces of equipment but > >what other options do I have? > > Actually, Terra transponders in particular draw so little current that you > could run one for a weekend of flying on a 10 amp motorcycle battery, and > shutting it off when you get out of controlled areas could stretch that use to > weeks. Add a little handheld nav-com and you're in business. > > Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:11:39 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: tail feathers Darrin, I think if you do them at the same time you can save yourself some sanding. I believe that some light sanding with 80/100 grit is recommended to rough up the top surface to insure that you get a good lamination between the two layers. I've heard that surfaces prepared with peelply can be laminated without sanding. There was a good article about epoxy peel strengths in this months experimenter magazine (I think). Surface preperation was discussed. There was a tip on not using one solvent that evaporates quickly, I think because the dirt doesn't get removed properly. This was MEK or alcohol.. can someone chime in and help me out here. -- Regards Ross darrin wrote: > Hello fellow kr junkies, > > Finally I got around to glassing the tail of my kr-1 using 5.85oz cloth > and ez poxy. I very thick micro'd the dipps and gaps, simi-thick > micro'd over the entire foam area(bottom) and laid on the cloth. Wet it > out with epoxy to fill in the weave and removed the excess. Two days > later I done the same on the top overlapping the bottom about 2". > > The job looks great but here is the question... On the two layers of > cloth, do I sand over the first layer and epoxy the second layer over it > or should I have laid them both together? > > Thanks, > Darrin west > KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:13:48 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Mike, I paid around $1200-1400 for the Xponder and the encoder. Call around. The prices you get quoted over the phone are less than any add. What a scam the avionics companies are pulling with "minimum advertised" pricing. However, it keeps some small mail-order outfits in business. I bought mine through Chief Aircraft, and the package included the Xponder, Encoder, and antenna. I had to wire up my own harness however. -- Regards Ross Micheal Mims wrote: > At 12:34 AM 3/25/98 EST, you wrote: > >Actually, Terra transponders in particular draw so little current that you > >could run one for a weekend of flying on a 10 amp motorcycle battery, and > >shutting it off when you get out of controlled areas could stretch that use to > >weeks. Add a little handheld nav-com and you're in business. > > > >Mike Taglieri > > > > Good idea but it still doesn't get me around the thousands of dollars > required! :o) What's the current price on the Terra transponder these days? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > mirror site at : > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:18:32 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Great Plains Long Block Kit Marcel, I built a GPASC 1835cc long block kit, and it was terrific fun. If I have any problems getting it started shortly, they will probably be my own boneheaded mistakes. The manual is pretty good, but I also had two other VW books, Hot Rodding your VW engine, and a VW engine rebuild book from TAB. Also I had the Rex Taylor book, but the GPASC book has better photos, so you are not missing anything. I think I built up the engine over about a two month period but it could have been faster. I took my time, and worked on it occasional nights and weekends. -- Regards Ross Driessen, Marcel wrote: > Hello KRNetters, > > I'm thinking of buying a Great Plains Type 1 2180 cc Long Block Kit. > I would appreciate if anybody who already assembled a GP Long Block Kit > could share some experiences ? > (For example: Total assembly time , Required skills, Quality of the > Parts) > > Thanks, > > Marcel Driessen > KR2S-Builder (boat on wheels, seats installed, starting with turtledeck > construction) > Meerlo, Limburg, The Netherlands > e-mail: driessen@krohne.mhs.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:24:10 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Jean, A local A&P noted I had a Terra Xponder and reported the same difficulties in a METAL aircraft. Could be the low power out is not enough? I will keep everyone posted. Microwave transponders might be out of the relm of what most avionics shops have the equipment to work on properly. I will find out I'm sure since I have the Terra Xponder. - -- Regards Ross MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > Before you lay out the money for a Terra transponder see if you can > find a satisfied owner. Mike Ladigo never got his to work in his KR-2. > Bench tested fine every time but would only work intermitanly in the > air. Had several other owners have the same experience in plastic > airplanes. I have a Cessna (ARC) transponder with a Ameri-King > encoder and it works fine. Martin Roberts has a Narco transponder > with an ACK encoder and it works fine. Have not found a satisfied > Terra owner. > Jean > N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:26:36 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Terra transponder Ron, Well when I bought my Terra Transponder, they were backordered, which implys a good demand for them. I have to assume that most of those are flying and if they are really hosed, they wouldn't be TS0'd. I expect that the problems are cable connector losses or some other installation error. If I have problems with mine, you can be sure I'm going to get to the bottom of it. -- Ross RFreibe131 wrote: > Sorry to see the bad press about Terra transponders because I need one to > match the rest of my Terra system. Please steer me straight or tell me if > someone wants to sell me theirs... > > Also desperate to buy a pair of HAPI rudder pedals..... next week I'm gonna > give up and start rolling my own. HELP! > > Ron F KR@+/- in Fort Myers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:27:53 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Business Trip Advice (no archive) Your off the list. enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > I'll be gone to Trumbull, CT, on business for the next two weeks and don't want > my e-mail box to get plugged up -- so, does anyone remember how to > subscribe/unsubscribe to krnet? > > Thanks, > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:30:19 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: End stages Bobby, Knowing what a stickeler the government is, I have to assume that if the FCC & the FAA let someone sell somthing that emits microwaves, it probably works pretty good. Microwaves don't like bad connections etc, so I suspect installation issues in cases where problems have occured. -- Ross Bobby Muse wrote: > At 08:28 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Before you lay out the money for a Terra transponder see if you can > >find a satisfied owner. Mike Ladigo never got his to work in his KR-2. > > Bench tested fine every time but would only work intermitanly in the > >air. Had several other owners have the same experience in plastic > >airplanes. I have a Cessna (ARC) transponder with a Ameri-King > >encoder and it works fine. Martin Roberts has a Narco transponder > >with an ACK encoder and it works fine. Have not found a satisfied > >Terra owner. > >Jean > >N4DD > > > I am a very satisflied owner!!!!!! I have been flying with the Terra > transponder in my KR for over four years. I have never had any problems. > > I would reccommend the Terra transponder to everyone. I have flown in > controlled airspace from Florida to Oshkosh, from Ohio to Texas with no > problems except once in Atlanta(weak signal because I had oil built-up on > the attenna). > > I use a alumnium foil ground plane under the seat and the standard attenna > that comes with the radio, a trouble free installation. > > I would suggest to everyone to get in touch with a dissatisflied Terra > owner and purchase the equipment. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:37:58 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Airworthiness Inspection. A local guy here got his Starduster biplane inspected for about $250 to $300 about two months ago. He's got 6 hours on it so far. I was told years ago, that the FAA's job is to insure the weight of the paperwork is equal to the weight of the aircraft. If you really want a safety inspection, find a local technical counselor, or several, and have them take a look with you. (Some inspectors are quite good I'm told ... but the more eyes, and opinions we can get, the better I believe). -- Regards Ross KR2 616TJ wrote: > Anybody know what the going rate is for inspections? Not too long ago a buddy > of mine got his Pulsar inspected for $300.00. The guy didn't know a thing > about composite construction. The reason I ask is another buddy was supposed > to have his Kitfox inspected today and we busted our butts this week getting > all the little things done so that the guy could call 20 minutes before the > inspection and say he couldn't make it. This is just for reference but I'd > like to know what everyone across the country paying. > > Thanks guys > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:47:39 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Howdy! N541RY Progress? Report Well, I've gotten a lot of honey dews out of the way... last weekend was take the wife to the coast, had fun, but no KR work was done. This weekend was try to mow the grass weekend, ended up getting a new lawn mower. I guess after 10 years, I decided I would rather push a new mower, than spend the next two weekends ripping the old one apart. You would be amazed how tall grass grows in Oregon if you don't cut it all winter. On a sunny day, I'd much rather spend my weekends at the airport, and on a rainy day, I know I'd much rather spend my days at the airport, to get ready for the sunny days. Well, I've gotten 2 sessions of dry micro placed onto the wings into the low spots. Fixed the hangar rash, and considering spraying a coat of primer, so I can see how lumpy the wings look. Maybe if I'm lucky, I will have the wings done in a month. Then the small amount of work on the ailerons and flaps should come together in short order, and I go to final assembly! -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:22:09 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: End stages At 12:13 AM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Mike, > I paid around $1200-1400 for the Xponder and the encoder. Call around. The prices you get quoted over the phone are less than any add>> I will wait and buy all that stuff after it flies. Sure sounds like a lot of money to invest in something you may no like (the way the airplane flies)! :o) I may buy a comm radio but everything else can wait until the flight testing period is over. Then will come transpounder, elt, gps, intercom, etc. etc. Like I said earlier, I just don't see any reason to install all that stuff until the plane proves itself to me. :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:26:41 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Terra Transdponders(was KR: End stages) At 12:30 AM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Bobby, > Knowing what a stickeler the government is, I have to assume that >if the FCC & the FAA let someone sell somthing that emits microwaves, >it probably works pretty good. Microwaves don't like bad connections >etc, so I suspect installation issues in cases where problems have occured. > I think your right, all the installs over here are working great. FYI,..they (transponders) were installed at an avionics shop and not by the builders. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:08:43 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: End stages Mike, You might concider doing what I am going to do. Absolute minimum instrumentation to be legal but leave room for a computer display screen on the panel. THere are just too many solid state sensors and gyros around for us not to concider a solid state panel. I just have too many irons in the fire now to think about it but closer to the time I plan on rolling up my sleves and diving into the glass panel project. My background leaves me with no choice but to pursue that option. Started life in the Air Force as an Electronic Tech. then re-trained as an instrument systems tech.. After the Air Force re-trained again as a Software engineer and have built model airplanes for all of that time. Even if I wanted to I wouldn't be able to keep myself from playing with a glass panel. If you haven't already, take a look at Aero Computer Multitasking http://www.evansville.net/~newtech for my page on the past efforts on glass panels on the glass-panel mail list and r.a.h. Steve On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Micheal Mims wrote: > At 12:13 AM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Mike, > > I paid around $1200-1400 for the Xponder and the encoder. Call around. > The prices you get quoted over the phone are less than any add>> > > I will wait and buy all that stuff after it flies. Sure sounds like a lot > of money to invest in something you may no like (the way the airplane > flies)! :o) > > I may buy a comm radio but everything else can wait until the flight testing > period is over. Then will come transpounder, elt, gps, intercom, etc. etc. > Like I said earlier, I just don't see any reason to install all that stuff > until the plane proves itself to me. :o) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #61 ****************************