From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 12:52 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #64 krnet-l-digest Friday, April 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 064 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:14:47 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: plywood In a message dated 98-04-02 20:25:42 EST, you write: << I'm waiting for my 4x8x3/32 mahog plywood to come from Wicks. Should I tell my my shipping guy to expect it rolled or flat? Richard Parker >> It'll be flat. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:21:24 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: plywood In a message dated 98-04-02 21:11:57 EST, you write: << Birch over 1.5 mm cant be rolled. but Mahog? Richard Parker >> My 3 pieces of 3ply mahogany with birch center was in flat sheets. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:01:40 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: Weight and balance Hi Everyone, Thank you all for your valuable input. I read my KRNet mail every day and always come away with something valuable. I have done some calculations of how long I need to extend my engine mount, and from what I can tell, it will need to be 14 inches longer than the stock VW mount. My engine, an 1835 GP VW, only weighs 135lbs with oil, no prop, no mount, and so is 50lbs lighter than even the 2180 VW recommended for the KR-2S. I'm thinking of building a motor mount extension 10" long from 5/8" tubing and bolt the regular mount to that, with a the baffles on the extension so that a stock KR2 cowling would fit. In the 10" gap I would install my BRS unit, placing the CG well forward within the limits. My real question: will a 65 hp VW climb a KR-2S at 980lbs at 700fpm? I'm going crazy with this. I am going to come in light because of the light engine and minimal instrumentation, Diehl wings, taildragger, llight building techniques, etc. What do you all think? And what size prop would you recommend? Thanks in advance. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:12:54 EST From: HAshraf Subject: KR: KR newsletter I would like to make a copy (paper) of the KR newsletter that was mentioned here about a month ago. Are the masters still in circulation? Haris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:44:51 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Weight and balance At 10:01 PM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote: My engine, an 1835 GP VW, only weighs 135lbs with oil, no prop, no mount, and so is 50lbs lighter than even the 2180 VW recommended for the KR-2S. >My real question: will a 65 hp VW climb a KR-2S at 980lbs at 700fpm? What do you all think? >>> OK here is what I think and remember you asked for it! :o) I think the cost difference between a 1835 and a 2180 VW is a very small percentage of your total investment so why would you even consider trying an 1835 in the first place? What's the savings? $1000? Considering that the two KR2S's (real ones) that are flying only have a 135 to 145 mph cruise with an 2180,.. your performance may be marginal and you would be unhappy. Sure it will fly with the 1835 but it would climb fly so much better with the 2180. Your planning a light KR but I bet your end up at 600+ pounds unless you do not plan on an electrical system. Troy Petteway's KR2 is a very fine example of a light KR2 (525 pounds). Take his bird and add 25 pounds for the S model, 25 pounds for the BRS, and 50 pounds for an electrical system and your at 625. I don't know dude, think about it. You may soon realize that scraping up the extra cash for a few more CCs to be worth it. PS I thought a 1835 VW only made 60hp? (my spread sheet says 63 but its generous) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:13:37 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: landing lights? LightHeads, Anybody got any bright ideas for landing lights? Anything you tried and would swear by now? If nobody tells me any different, I'll use two of those 2" tall by 4" wide high beam lights (from a four lamp system) that some recent cars have. They're only $20 at the parts house. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:51:28 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: landing lights? In a message dated 98-04-02 23:10:34 EST, you write: << Anybody got any bright ideas for landing lights? Anything you tried and would swear by now? If nobody tells me any different, I'll use two of those 2" tall by 4" wide high beam lights (from a four lamp system) that some recent cars have. They're only $20 at the parts house. Mark Langford >> Mark, would those give a wide enough light pattern at altitude and pitch. It comes to mind that about 25 years ago I got an aircraft landing light that fit perfectly into my automobile round 4 headlamp system high beam slot except for the little "tabs" on the back of the glass. I was stationed in Florida at the time and had to go thru car inspections then. The inspector wouldn't even test it out saying it was illegal due to it being a "clear" lens. My light pattern as seen on foggy nights was quite large and round like maybe a 30 to 40 degree beamwidth. I did NOT ever have problems however with anyone dimming their lights for me! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:57:26 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: Boat Weights Mine, on the gear, with spars mounted, weighed 150 pounds. Ron F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:00:03 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: landing lights? In a message dated 98-04-02 23:10:34 EST, you write: << Anybody got any bright ideas for landing lights? Anything you tried and would swear by now? If nobody tells me any different, I'll use two of those 2" tall by 4" wide high beam lights (from a four lamp system) that some recent cars have. They're only $20 at the parts house. Mark Langford >> Mark, would those lights provide a wide enough pattern for you at altitude and pitch when landing? It comes to mind that 25 years ago when I was stationed in Florida, I'd gotten hold of a pair of landing lights that perfectly fit the 4 lamp round headlight system on my Capri. On foggy nights, the light pattern was a 30 to 40 degree cone and quite bright. I never had any problems with anyone not dimming their lights for me! I couldn't pass the car inspection however because the inspector said they were "clear" lenses instead of diffused. I was really disappointed since I wanted to see his brightness meter peg off scale when they were checked for enough brightness! Anyway I think yours would look really sharp but I just didn't know about the light pattern. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:00:01 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: Re:posa info In a message dated 98-04-02 17:05:42 EST, you write: << KRkip@aol.com >> I got a posa carb with the project I bought, and you can have it for the shipping. Advise Ron F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:07:07 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner Software. In a message dated 98-04-02 18:35:27 EST, you write: << Panel Planner Software >> Yesterday, I received the piece of aluminum I need to make my panel, so I'd plead for a high priority. Ron Freiberger .... ready to plan in Fort Myers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:09:16 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: 40 Hour Test Phase. On my first homebuilt, FAA inspector Ray Guss told me it may be necessary to take another pilot along as part of the flight test. I will not ask for another opinion. Ron F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:23:34 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: Bright ideas for landing lights? Yes Your EAA Tech Counselor has a newsletter (June 96) with an excellent description of landing lights from Wal-Mart .( Blaser Projector ultimate driving light (2 for $39)).(p/n C8004K) Also, there is a description of how to modify them for AC use. General Motors Corporate pilots make it a practice to turn on the landing light below 10,000 feet, and I've seen them coming from 15 miles on a gloomy day; a good safety practice which I've learned to use. In that same issue, there are part numbers for wing light replacement bulbs (GE or Sylvania T1076) bulbs for $1.75 versus the $12-16 Aircraft bulbs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:15:19 -0800 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (WAYLAND T. STOKES) Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel help!!! No John I work for the Army as a civilian. I work with high explosives and have to be recertified every 2 years with a 2 week school. So I will be at Ft. Lewis for 2 weeks. Tom Stokes Reno NV On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:13:44 -0800 "John F. Esch" writes: >Tom Are you in the military? John F. (Few more gussets then ready to glue second fuse side) Esch Salem, Oregon http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch WAYLAND T. STOKES wrote: I have to fly to Tacoma Washington Sunday night for 2 weeks and go to a class at Ft. Lewis. Any good projects there that I could see. Ross where do you live. Tom Stokes in Reno NV >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:51:26 EST From: DAN469 Subject: Re: KR: Weight and balance Tom, I sure hope your wrong on that ten inch extention. I just bolted a revmaster 2100 on my kr2s with the revmaster mount, but extented the mount from the firewall 1.5 inches. I did not do any calculations but just hope my cg falls in place. Dan, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:13:57 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Exhaust Systems On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:08:35 EST BSHADR writes: >In a message dated 98-04-02 12:58:26 EST, Mike wrote: > ><< I think for the VWs the simple tip muffler would be the best. Its light > and adjustable. I could scan a picture or two tonight and post them on > the site if anyone is interested. >> > >Mike: > >Maybe Jeff Scott is able to enlighten us on the muffler size on David's 1/2 VW >with the supertrap. Size up a bit and ya got a starting point for the VW. >Unfortunately, Mike your 0-290 way be a tad too big for any muffler >that willfit a Type I VW. > >Randy Stein Sorry, my failing memory missed on this one. I was in David's hanger in Santa Fe this evening welding my spinner, so I sneaked a peak at his exhaust. Sometime in the last year or two he changed over to tuned, crossover pipes with no mufflers. I know he had Supertrapps on it once, but didn't get a chance to discuss it with him this evening. I suspect they were removed because of the way they didn't fit his tiny fuselage. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:03:44 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: 40 Hour Test Phase. In general, what Ron says below is true and subject to local interpretation. The Pegazair-100 I inspected a couple of weeks ago will be test flown by the designer flying dual with the builder for the first 10 hours. The local FSDO office and designee both gave their blessing as both were considered to be "essential". - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:18:10 -0700 Ron Lee writes: >Just a non-official comment. I think I read something about essential crew >members. It may be that if the other pilot is considered "essential" to >the flight tests, then it is OK. But I ain't no reg expert. > >Ron > > > >At 06:42 PM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote: >>Yesterday I watched over a designee inspect a Kitfox. It was pretty much a >>non-event as he arrived with the temporary airworthiness certificate already >>typed out and all the paperwork completed also. He did look at ever bolt and >>nut he could see and made sure that the control surfaces were free >and clear. >>After the inspection he commented that the owner, or any PIC, of the aircraft >>could do whatever he needed to do to "safely operate the aircraft", including >>taking a second person along who was either more current, more qualified or if >>the case may be, a taildragger endorsement, as long as no money changed >hands. >>He said it was a gray area, but that was his interpretation. Is this one of >>those things where it says somewhere else, that no one other than thepilot is >>allowed in the aircraft if the tires are off the runway? >> >>Food for thought. >> >>Dana Overall >>Richmond, KY >>kr2616tj@aol.com >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ >> >> > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:18:42 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Exhaust Systems At 02:08 PM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote: , Mike your 0-290 way be a tad too big for any muffler that will fit a Type I VW. > >Randy Stein Believe it or not, Supertrap makes a model (tip model) that will work for a 454 BB Chevy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:56:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Supertrapp OK head scratchers! I just posted some info on the infamous Supertrapp muffler system. Just for those of you who didn't grow up on two wheels (Supertrapp got their start on motorcycles) and have been wondering what all the commotion is. I was reading an article that said a Chevy powered NASCAR used a pair of these to get a 10 to 15% gain in power and a 60% reduction in noise!!! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/supertrapp.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:04:43, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: Re:posa info Kip Get a hold of Steve Bennet at Great Planes Aircraft and buy his Zenith carb and use the Posa as a trot line weight. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:03:57 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Weight and balance In a message dated 98-04-02 22:45:27 EST, you write: << My engine, an 1835 GP VW, only weighs 135lbs with oil, no prop, no mount, and so is 50lbs lighter than even the 2180 VW recommended for the KR-2S. >My real question: will a 65 hp VW climb a KR-2S at 980lbs at 700fpm? >> I'm like Mike here, don't ask if you don't want it head your way :-)) After April 15th. I'll be finishing up my 1835 to 2180 conversion. I'm building a stock KR-2. The climb performance you would get from a gross 2180 would be near what you would get from a solo 1835. If you plan flying a passenger, or anything other than the basic airframe, I think you would be disappointed in the 1835 on a S model. I don't think you would see 700 fpm with a light load. Look at my web page under engine and you will find my most current upgrade pictures, it's a $1600.00 proposal but you end up with what I think is the most important part-the force one prop bearing, this is a critical area on the crank. In regards to the extention, I'm only going 2 inches. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:08:49 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter I have to plead guilty to not getting the East Coast newsletters sent along to the next receipient. If you are East of Wichita get me your address and the newsletters will be on their way to you. Also, anyone else on the Right coast want the newsletters give a post and you will be on the list. Steve On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, HAshraf wrote: > I would like to make a copy (paper) of the KR newsletter that was mentioned > here about a month ago. Are the masters still in circulation? > > Haris > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:21:29 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter Richard Parker OEM Account Manager Parker-Hannifin Pneutronics Div 26 Clinton Dr. unit 103 Hollis, NH 03049 603-595-1500 603-594-0924 fax help@pneutronics.com http://www.pneutronics.com - ---------- > From: Steven A Eberhart > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter > Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 8:08 AM > > > I have to plead guilty to not getting the East Coast newsletters sent > along to the next receipient. If you are East of Wichita get me your > address and the newsletters will be on their way to you. Also, anyone > else on the Right coast want the newsletters give a post and you will be > on the list. > > Steve > > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, HAshraf wrote: > > > I would like to make a copy (paper) of the KR newsletter that was mentioned > > here about a month ago. Are the masters still in circulation? > > > > Haris > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:55 EST From: DFCPAC Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter hi steve, i'm new on the krnet, could you please send me a copy of the newsletter address: dan carley 12 davis street melville ny 11747 thank you danny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:56:53 -0500 From: "Thomas Gatliff" Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter Please put me on the newsletter if possible... Thanks!! Thomas Gatliff 720 Tidewater Cir. Apt 8-B Macon, Ga 31211 (912) 745-7862 Thomas Gatliff GSE gatliff@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: Steven A Eberhart To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 8:09 AM Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter > >I have to plead guilty to not getting the East Coast newsletters sent >along to the next receipient. If you are East of Wichita get me your >address and the newsletters will be on their way to you. Also, anyone >else on the Right coast want the newsletters give a post and you will be >on the list. > >Steve > >On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, HAshraf wrote: > >> I would like to make a copy (paper) of the KR newsletter that was mentioned >> here about a month ago. Are the masters still in circulation? >> >> Haris >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:55:52 -0500 From: rdewees@juno.com (Ron DeWees) Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter Hi Steve.. I think I was on the Newsletter list but will be glad to give it to you again. If you will tell me where it goes after me I will start it out again. Ron DeWees 999 Rosedale Rd NE Atlanta. Ga 30306 On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:08:49 -0600 (CST) Steven A Eberhart writes: > >I have to plead guilty to not getting the East Coast newsletters sent >along to the next receipient. If you are East of Wichita get me your >address and the newsletters will be on their way to you. Also, anyone > >else on the Right coast want the newsletters give a post and you will >be >on the list. > >Steve > >On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, HAshraf wrote: > >> I would like to make a copy (paper) of the KR newsletter that was >mentioned >> here about a month ago. Are the masters still in circulation? >> >> Haris >> > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:56:49 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Flying at gross >Mike T wrote: > > my >>instructor demonstrated to me that although it will fly modestly well, >a >>Cessna 152 is either overgross or perilously close to it with only his >220 >>lbs, my 160 lbs, and our respective flight bags. > >I had my own experience early in my flying career. I flew 150 mi. for a >business meeting with another guy in right seat. After the meeting, we >were offered last year's "Sweets Files" by the architects we met with >(if you don't know what Sweets Files are, don't worry; just picture 3 >cardboard boxes full of big fat books). Merrily we loaded up the >Tomahawk and took off. Used up all the rwy, barely made it to altitude, >and boy was it squirrely. We were legal but not too safe. Won't do >that again. The 152 is not bad at gross, although we changed to a 172 to practice engine- outs in the summer (not that the plane doesn't fly fine with the engine out, but at gross on a warm day it can take 15 minutes to get up to altitude to practice another one!) There was a thread awhile back about the dangerous flaws in certain samples of the Tomahawk, which can flat-spinning even when under gross, so your problem probably wasn't just the weight. My overweight 152's have never felt unstable, and I never felt unsafe. It's just that a 152 with me and a 200 lb (+) instructor has such a lousy climb rate that it's a pain in the butt. Solo it's fine. The only time I ever felt nervous in one was on a dual cross-country when we were approaching mountains (what passes for them in the East) and it looked like I couldn't climb the 500 feet or so I needed even at Vx with the throttle firewalled. My instructor said not to worry, and when we got nearer the updrafts carried us nicely over, but I could always have turned otherwise. I guess you get used to making the most of updrafts if you fly a lot of dual in 152's. I assume a KR at gross may be squirrelly, but will never have a 100fpm climb at sea level. . . . Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:56:57 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: Re: KITPLANES and Great Plains Aircraft I'm happy to report that I got the following e-mail from Dave Martin tonite. Looks like it was all an oversight, apparently with fault shared on both sides, and it will be corrected. Mike Taglieri >Subj: KITPLANES and Great Plains Aircraft >Date: 98-04-02 18:51:34 EST >From: KITPLANES1@compuserve.com (David Martin) >Sender: KITPLANES1@compuserve.com (David Martin) >To: MikeTnyc@aol.com (MikeT nyc) > >Mike: > Thanks for including me on your comment about Steve Bennett and >Great Planes and his engines not being in our most recent (April KITPLANES) >engine directory. We began our annual engine directory with the April '96 >issue and have published engine updates in each of the following April >issues. > Great Plains has been missing from each of these three years--twice >because of oversight on our part (definitely our fault and no excuses for >missing him in '96 and '98) and once because he did not respond to multiple >inquires. > Julia Downie, who does all of our directories, left him out of our >original engine directory (in '96) because she had no listing for Great >Plains. I erred in failing to notice the company's absence. For the '97 >directory, Julia says she mailed a survey form to Steve Bennett for >inclusion, and he did not respond. As she always does, she followed up by >calling him. She says she probably left a message on his answering machine >and never heard from him and was therefore not included in the April '97 >directory. > She says she should have made it a point to contact him for this >year's directory even though he did not respond for '97, and that is a >serious oversight. Once again we failed to notice Great Plains' absence in >the editorial office. Again, no excuse. Julia says she will write to our >"Letters" column apologizing for the oversight, and I'll print it along >with some personal blame-taking. Look for that in a future issue. > Julia guarantees to get Bennett back on the contact list for next >year's April engine directory. If he responds to her survey form, his >company will be there with the others. > KITPLANES does six annual directories, and they are all handled the >same way. If we know of a company whose product or service is in the >category, we make more than one attempt to contact them. These directories >have nothing to do with advertising; most of the companies listed have >never advertised in KITPLANES. > I know that Steve Bennett has a problem with KITPLANES, and only a >part of it is his own making. Our intention is to present a complete >directory for the benefit of the reader, and we have failed related to >Great Western, and I can understand Bennett's feelings. I believe if you >checked with almost any other company in the homebuilt field, however, you >would find that our reputation is exactly the opposite of Bennett's >opinion: that we lean over backward to be fair and have no editorial >prejudices or biases that affect what we print or leave out. But as I said, >I can understand Bennett's contrary opinion. Provided that he will answer >his mail and his phone, I can guarantee that Great Plains will be >represented in the 1999 and subsequent KITPLANES engine directories. > You are welcome to forward this to your e-mail correspondents >including Steve Bennett. > --Dave Martin, editor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:11:53 -0600 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: KR Gear This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_064A_01BD5EE8.ED082700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow KR-Netters, Got an E- from a gent yesterday who has a new retractable main gear for = a KR that he wants to get out of his hangar. Anyone interested can have = them for the taking. They are located in Paso Robles, Ca. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_064A_01BD5EE8.ED082700-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:18:10 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: KR Gear for all you slow pokes I just called him. They should be on the truck to my house this weekend. Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH - ---------- From: Mike Filbrandt To: KR-List Subject: KR: KR Gear Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:11 AM Fellow KR-Netters, Got an E- from a gent yesterday who has a new retractable main gear for a KR that he wants to get out of his hangar. Anyone interested can have them for the taking. They are located in Paso Robles, Ca. For further info, contact: Bill Cartwright PRUA241@aol.com Phone: 707-494-9593 Blue Skies, Mike Sparta, Wi. redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:34:38 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Gear Richard Parker wrote: > > for all you slow pokes I just called him. They should be on the truck to my > house this weekend. > > Richard Parker I didnt know you owned a boat? Dont you hate it when you buy a boat and it doesnt come with an anchor? Oh well you should be in good shape now when you pull up to that favorite fishing hole!! :o) ANCHORS AWAY!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:43:23 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Gear > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 So did you ever let us all know why your previous KR-2S project became an SP290 other than the fascination with South Park? (which I've never seen) Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:58:44 -0500 From: "Thomas Gatliff" Subject: KR: IFR KR2??? Hello, Im kind of a newby to the whole KR-2 thing so please be patient.... Question: All the KR-2's that I see are VFR .... Are there any IFR certified's out there??? From my understanding of the FAR's all you have to to do is put in the IFR equipment and have it certified at a FAA repair station... Is this right??? P.S. I am considering buying a KR-2 for building some hours cheaply. Any comments on this idea??? (good or bad) Thomas Gatliff gatliff@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:59:10 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Apologies Ran across this on the Rapid Prototyping mail list and thought it might come into good use here on krnet :-) Dear a) Mom b) Dad c) love of my life d) krnet-l e) Local Police Chief, Words cannot begin to express how sorry I am that your a) Car b) House c) Pet d) Espresso maker e) Left arm was severely damaged by my a) infantile b) puerile c) inept d) comically brilliant but nonetheless sadistic e) woefully under appreciated prank. How could I have known that the a) car b) jet ski c) large helium balloon d) rodent driven sledge e) KR I was riding in would go so far out of control? And while it is true that I should not have pointed it in the direction of your a) house b) wife c) Cub Scout troop d) 1/16th sized replica of the Statue of Liberty, complete with lightbulb in the torch e) priceless collection of Rolling Rock beer cans, you must understand that it was all meant in fun. The subsequent carnage that I caused is beyond my ability to a) imagine b) fathom c) comprehend d) appreciate e) pay for, and I must therefore humbly ask your forgiveness. I know that you are perfectly within your rights to a) hate me b) sue me c) spank me d) take my firstborn e) gouge out my eyes with spoons and feed them to the fish in your koi pond, but I ask you to remember all the good times we've had, joshing around at a) school b) work c) church d) the krnet-l e) the municipal jail, and to remember that I am first and foremost your a) friend b) child c) sibling d) lease co-signer e) only possible match should you ever need a bone marrow transplant. I think that counts for more than one prank, especially one that a) was so stupid b) was so silly c) would have been funny if it worked d) you would have done, if you had thought of it first e) I'm going to use again on someone else. Sincerely, Me. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:04:35 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: IFR KR2??? Thomas Gatliff wrote: > > Hello, > > Im kind of a newby to the whole KR-2 thing so please be patient.... Welcome to the KRnet Thomas! You may want to fly a KR2 and decide for yourself if its something you want to be in the clouds with. Some do and some dont but it can be done. :o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:05:31 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: IFR KR2??? On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Thomas Gatliff wrote: > Hello, > > Im kind of a newby to the whole KR-2 thing so please be patient.... > > Question: > All the KR-2's that I see are VFR .... Are there any IFR certified's out > there??? From my understanding of the FAR's all you have to to do is put in > the IFR equipment and have it certified at a FAA repair station... Is this > right??? > > P.S. I am considering buying a KR-2 for building some hours cheaply. Any > comments on this idea??? (good or bad) > THese are just my thoughts. THe KR is a great inexpensive airplane that is very "responsive" meaning that you have to fly the airplane all the time. IMO this is not the characteristic that you want in an IFR airplane. THis coupled with the extra weight that would be added by everything that will have to go into the panel to be IFR capable will make a very "responsive" and heavier than I would care to have airplane. I usually get anoyed by negative responses to ideas of mine but this is one that I felt needed comment on. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:11:23 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Gear Richard Parker wrote: > So did you ever let us all know why your previous KR-2S project became an > SP290 other than the fascination with South Park? > (which I've never seen) > > Rich Parker I felt there was a desire on the part of RR that I not call it a KR, which is fine with me. I have made enough changes to call it a something else anyway. Gee I wonder if there is any concern that I will publish plans? :o) SP=Sport Plane, 290= engine size in cubic inches. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:01:42 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: IFR KR2??? In a message dated 98-04-03 11:51:44 EST, you write: << P.S. I am considering buying a KR-2 for building some hours cheaply. Any comments on this idea??? (good or bad) >> Thomas, welcome aboard I think you will find your stay enjoyable. How 'bout that for a hello:-)). Mike & Steve gave some good advice here, hop a ride in a KR before you think any furthur about it being an IFR platform. Responsive is the word here, in the clouds when you encounter those "nice" areas, a KR would not be my airplane of choice, been there in other planes, don't want to be there in my KR. Look at the first picture on my constuction page, I've got a fairly well supplied panel but it's more for play than function. You will have fun flying one these birds but understand it's limitations, it's great to bore holes in the sky with but not through weather. I'll get off my soapbox now, please pay at the door :-)). Sorry for all the negative comments but you need to be careful with this one. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:52:36 EST From: Davinick2 Subject: Re: KR: Exhaust Systems I once talked with Neil Bingham about mufflers and 4 into 1 pipes and he told me to keep it simple that the engine has plenty of power ( Limbach) and the main concern was getting rid of all that heat. Crossovers and mufflers just keep the heat inside. I saw a RANS with a Limbach that had the pipes going straight down into collector directly below the engine and out the bottom of the cowl. They (nebulus) said it was quiet and increased the horsepower. I have a picture I could scan if anyone is interested. Nick Davidson ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #64 ****************************