From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 12:46 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #72 krnet-l-digest Monday, April 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 072 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:10:14 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: instrument weights I'm using modern lightweight instruments and VDO guages and I'm estimating that all of them plus circuit breakers, tubing and wire will be 25 lbs. Not as good as a weighed panel, but maybe helpful. Give me a few weeks and I can weigh my panel and tell you, since I'm just about ready to order the stuff and put it together. I don't know if I've mentioned it, but I'm also using the Engine Information System which monitors EGT, CHT, oil pressure and temp, outside air temp, RPM, total hours, flight time during this flight, volts, and a couple of other things that I've forgotten. Price is only $435 or so with sensors included, and it's practically weightless. The BIG advantage of this thing is that you set the parameters you'd like for it to stay within, and if any of the readings deviate out of that range, bells and whistles beat you over head until you notice! I think of it as a life saver, and it's about the same price as the VDO guages that I was going to buy. It's advertised in the mags and is made by Grand Rapids Technologies. Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:36 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: instrument weights Mark Langford wrote: > > I'm using modern lightweight instruments and VDO guages and I'm estimating that all of them plus circuit breakers, tubing and wire will be 25 lbs. Not as good as a weighed panel, but maybe helpful. >>> This is a great way to keep weight down. I plan to install 2 inch flight instruments for that very reason. I gave 50 to 75 pounds as an average weight because he mentioned electric gyros and those puppies are heavy assuming wiring, etc. (15 to 20 pounds for all three in 3.125 format) No gyros in my machine (waste of time and money in a KR) so instrument weight should be WAY down, maybe in the neighborhood of 10 pounds total. PS Got a screaming deal on a King KX99 last week! Woo Hoo!! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, One wing left! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:57:14 EDT From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR: instrument weights In a message dated 98-04-17 13:03:11 EDT, Mark wrote: << Price is only $435 or so with sensors included, and it's practically weightless. The BIG advantage of this thing is that you set the parameters you'd like for it to stay within, and if any of the readings deviate out of that range, bells and whistles beat you over head until you notice! I think of it as a life saver, and it's about the same price as the VDO guages that I was going to buy. It's advertised in the mags and is made by Grand Rapids Technologies. >> I spoke at length with the maker a couple of OSH's ago, and he seemed very interested in customizing for the functions a user may be interested in. He told me it was just a matter of some computer/electrical noodling that he enjoyed anyway. I also spoke to a couple from Canada who had an Ultralight flight school (plus the hubby flew left seat for the Airlines) and they both couldn't speak highly enough about the product and support. My 2 centavos worth... Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:30:29 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: On Vacation for a week Sports fans, if anyone needs to send me an email next week please send it to: michealmims@hotmail.com . I will be on vacation in Nassau but I can only sit on the beach for so long before I have KRNet withdrawals! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, One wing left! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:26:33 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: EIS System (Some stuff has been snipped and there's no off-topic words.) Mark Langford wrote: > I'm also using the Engine Information System which monitors EGT, CHT, oil > pressure > and temp, outside air temp, RPM, total hours, flight time during this > flight, volts, and a couple of other things that I've forgotten. Price is > only $435 or so with sensors included, and it's practically weightless. The > BIG advantage of this thing is that you set the parameters you'd like for it > to stay within, and if any of the readings deviate out of that range, bells > and whistles beat you over head until you notice! The most important thing is not the fact that equivalent analog guages will run about the same, but that this has ALARMS. I doubt any of us will notice a problem until the engine sounds different, and it's too late by that time. The alarms are cool! I spoke to the maker last year and he had a 32K memory unit coming out (present capacity is 8k) that would also do altitude encoding, and along with the optional altimeter sensor, you could be Mode C compliant with just a transponder. By the way, the EIS has that altimeter feature available, which also provides VSI info. With the 32K model he will have a way to set altitude min/max which will help near controlled airspace. I did know one gyro pilot that had complete failures of the EIS displays twice. I don't think he had any vibration protectionon it, and on a gyro you practically sit on the engine mount/seat/landing gear/rotor mast/fuel tank. I suggest panel isolators for this LCD unit, and coil all wires one time where they lead into the unit for strain relief and vibration isolation. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:40:48 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (WAYLAND T. STOKES) Subject: Re: KR: '99 gathering location On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:09:27 -0700 wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) writes: I'd still like to see a gathering in the Reno or Las Vegas area. Possibly the '99 event. There's non-flying things for family members, and it's closer for all the west coasters. I'd guess there's a few KR people in that area who'd be able to work on the details. No, not the dancing girls kind of details, more like... which airfield and food supply details. Paul M. Ashland, OR Paul I live in Reno and would help setup something if I could. I belong to an EAA chapter in Carson City which is a smaller/friendlier airport. We have a clubhouse at the airport and meet every Saturday morning from 9-11am and have a pancake breakfast once a month. Tom Stokes in Reno NV _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:56:30 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: new airfoil AirfoilHeads, I added a little info about what modifications may be needed to use the new airfoil to my web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html. Thanks to a suggestion from Richard Mole, an 18% version has been developed (almost) that may actually stall slower than the RAF48, but with much higher top end capability. This also allows us the luxury of an 8..25" tall main spar, which will be stronger than the stocker (or lighter, your choice). More room for fuel tanks and control fittings too. We still have a few weeks of work to do to iron out exact dimensions, and a proper stability analysis will have to be completed before incidence recommendations can be made. Mark Lougheed's working on it now, and we hope to have a few other volunteers to do other independent versions as a check. Steve Eberhart would like to try his hand at creating an all composite spar that would eliminate the discontinuity created by the horizontal stub wing and dihedraled outer wings. His wings would join at the center by bolts or pins like a Europa, and would have dihedral all the way out. It would also be properly proportioned to allow for a more "traditional" aileron and flap setup. Although it's farily simple to design a taller spar for this airfoil that would have the same strength characteristics as the stocker, we'd like to test one to failure for good measure. And there seems to be some disagreement as to the strength of the stock spar setup. and a lack of actual testing to verify the various versions of the analysis. I have enough material from my first attempt at a main spar to build the center section, but we'd like to build the whole assembly and test it to failure with a wing loading similar to that of the 18% section that we hope will become "standard". This would most likely taper to a 15% at the tip. Anybody who plans to use this new AS5045 airfoil should be interested in such a test. Those interested in kicking in a few bucks to buy materials for the outer spars and wing attach fittings should contact Steve at newtech@newtech.com or me at the address below. I may actually do the test on the spruce version since I have a good start on the center wing section using left over parts. I also threw a few pictures from my visit with Richard Mole in Wales on the page mentioned above. Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:18:27 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: Re: KR: KR Sun & Fun. Austin: Give me a call, I have flown to Sun-N-Fun twice. The last time with Lavon. It's not all the bad. Rick - ---------- > From: Austin Clark > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR Sun & Fun. > Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 2:59 PM > > At 18:58 4/16/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I need help from some of you guys or gals that have flown through the > >Northern Florida/Southern Alabama area of restricted fly zones. How or do > >you need to know or do to fly thru that area????? Or is it easy and the > >charts make it difficult? > > > > > > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > > bmuse@mindspring.com > > Wimberly, TX > > Bobby, > > My experience is limited to only a couple times, but ATC pretty much walks > you through. Just be ready to switch frequencies every few minutes. I was > told by a CFI once that he recommends following the beach from Mobile Bay > to the other side of Panama City. Hope this helps. > > > > > Austin Clark > Pascagoula, MS > itac@datasync.com > http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:26:58 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: new airfoil At 09:56 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote: Those interested in kicking in a few bucks to buy materials >for the outer spars and wing attach fittings should contact Steve at >newtech@newtech.com or me at the address below. I may actually do the test >on the spruce version since I have a good start on the center wing section >using left over parts. > >Mark Langford >langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html Mark, Please forgive this question but I am terrible at keeping track of details like addresses. Since I am working gobs of overtime lately, I can ante up another $50 for materials. I just need an address & name. Ron "I still think Polo/Golf shirts are better" Lee PS. Yep, the middle name is not consistent with the topic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:07:22 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: new airfoil contribution Ron, Thanks for the offer. We're not sure how we're going to do this, but you're welcome to send whatever to me at: Mark Langford 296 Taylor Denton Lane Harvest, AL 35749 I'll keep up with it and make sure you get credit for it. Thanks, Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of Ron Lee > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 1998 11:27 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: new airfoil > > > At 09:56 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote: > Those interested in kicking in a few bucks to buy materials > >for the outer spars and wing attach fittings should contact Steve at > >newtech@newtech.com or me at the address below. I may actually > do the test > >on the spruce version since I have a good start on the center > wing section > >using left over parts. > > > > >Mark Langford > >langford@hiwaay.net > >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html > > > Mark, Please forgive this question but I am terrible at keeping track of > details like addresses. Since I am working gobs of overtime lately, I > can ante up another $50 for materials. I just need an address & name. > > Ron "I still think Polo/Golf shirts are better" Lee > > PS. Yep, the middle name is not consistent with the topic. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:17:22 -0500 From: Phil Zeman Subject: KR: Traveling Newsletter Yesterday, I received the traveling newsletters from Rex Ellington. I have already made my copies and will send it to the next person to send me a personal email. Thanks, Phil Zeman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:05:07 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KR Sun & Fun. At 07:59 PM 4/16/98, you wrote: >At 18:58 4/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I need help from some of you guys or gals that have flown through the >>Northern Florida/Southern Alabama area of restricted fly zones. How or do >>you need to know or do to fly thru that area????? Or is it easy and the >>charts make it difficult? >> >> >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) >> bmuse@mindspring.com >> Wimberly, TX > >Bobby, > >My experience is limited to only a couple times, but ATC pretty much walks >you through. Just be ready to switch frequencies every few minutes. I was >told by a CFI once that he recommends following the beach from Mobile Bay >to the other side of Panama City. Hope this helps. > > > > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS >itac@datasync.com >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > Thanks Austin, It looks like the weather has my KR in the hanger for the flyin, but not me. I will now be flying commerical. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:17:00 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (WAYLAND T. STOKES) Subject: Re: KR: calendar idea Good idea Mike, I think I could be counted on to buy a couple. And Randy I don't see anything wrong with you hitting every at the gathering for $10.00, I think it is pretty cheap for what you get. Tom Stokes in Reno NV On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:08:05 EST MikeT nyc writes: >I wasn't too hot on T-Shirts, etc., but I'd love to have calendars. I could put one in my office so fellow-workers would have proof I'm not the only one who's ever wanted to build one of these. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:18:30 EDT From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR: calendar idea In a message dated 98-04-18 20:21:14 EDT, Tom wrote: << Good idea Mike, I think I could be counted on to buy a couple. And Randy I don't see anything wrong with you hitting every at the gathering for $10.00, I think it is pretty cheap for what you get. >> Well I guess I'd better have Rob make me up a KR Tshirt that says my moolah whinning has been approved by Tom, thus it is OK for me to be do it... :-) Randy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:21:01 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Parts for sale Steven how much for the wing attach fittings? John F. Esch Salem, Oregon Steven Meassick wrote: > I have a KR-2 in the boat state that I will not be finishing anytime > soon (new wife and kids). I have the following parts for sale: > 1. fiberglass fuel tank > 2. wing attach fittings. > 3. control cables > 4. plans for KR-2 > 5. newsletters up to 1.5 years ago. > 6. fuselodge in boat stage > > I will accept any resonable offer for these items. > > Thanks > > -- > Steven Meassick > Chair and Professor of Engineering > New Mexico Highlands University > Las Vegas, NM 87701 > > Phone: (505) 454-3314 > FAX: (505) 454-3306 > > meassick@edison.nmhu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:50:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Wing cores Well today I cut the cores for the right wing. George Bell came out to witness the phenomenon of hot wiring polystyrene foam. After all it is a black art that only the very experienced will ever have good results,,,right? Yeah right! Just ask George how easy and clean hot wiring is! George was cutting foam after watching Brad and I make one cut! OK well maybe two cuts! :o) George after you left we cut out the center section core, I wish you could have stayed to see it but I think you got enough experience to realize how easy it is and how nice the cores are to work with! Anyway just thought I would blab about hot wiring cuz sanding urethane sucks! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 07:53:24 PDT From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Wing cores Mike, Would you detail the procedure step-by-step on your web site for those = of us who have never seen it done? It sounds easy enough, but what about= the settings for the wire, reostat, etc. Also, detail your set up of = the templates. Thanks, Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - ---------- > Well today I cut the cores for the right wing. George Bell came out = to > witness the phenomenon of hot wiring polystyrene foam. After all it = is a > black art that only the very experienced will ever have good > results,,,right? Yeah right! Just ask George how easy and clean hot = wiring > is! George was cutting foam after watching Brad and I make one cut! = OK > well maybe two cuts! :o) > > George after you left we cut out the center section core, I wish you = could > have stayed to see it but I think you got enough experience to realize = how > easy it is and how nice the cores are to work with! > > Anyway just thought I would blab about hot wiring cuz sanding urethane > sucks! :o) > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 One Wing to go! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:44:42 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing cores At 07:53 AM 4/19/98 PDT, you wrote: >Mike, > >Would you detail the procedure step-by-step on your web site for those of us who have never seen it done? It sounds easy enough, but what about the settings for the wire, reostat, etc. Also, detail your set up of the templates.>> I think a persons best bet would be to buy one of the many books on the subject. This would give you a much better understanding on the basics of hotwiring. I could go into detail on how I hotwired cores to fit my particular aircraft though. All the parts to build the saw were purchased from AS&S. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:22:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Sun N Fun crash Bummer in Florida! Man it sure seems like these airshow accidents happen on a regular basis more that they used too! http://cnn.com/US/9804/19/briefs.pm.ap/airshow.crash.ap/air.collision.24.mov zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:29:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Sun N Fun crash At 10:22 PM 4/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Bummer in Florida! Man it sure seems like these airshow accidents happen on a regular basis more that they used too! >>>> Man I hit the send button on that one too soon! It was supposed to say " the aishow accidents seem to happen on a regular basis or at least more than they used too" I am leaving for vacation tomorrow, yall take care and I will see you when I get back! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:30:14 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control Tom Yes I have a stock KR-2 with the exception that I made it into a single seat due to my size. The engine is a 1835 single mag with a Ray-Jay turbo charger. I DID have an Aymer-Demuth 52X48 prop until Wednesday April 8, 1998. I went flying for about 1.5 hours and landed back at Boulder City airport. I touched down a little fast and floated, when the wheels touched the second time I decided to wheel land it. Everything was fine until I started applying the brakes. As soon as I put the brakes on the gear RETRACTED and I went sliding down the runway on the nose and the wheels in the retract posistion. The plane stopped just short of runway 27L (I had landed on the uphill runway 34). I was not hurt and only the engine cowling was slightly damaged. But the Prop of course was quit a bit shorter than it was suppose to be. The problem was the gear locks, I had the original design and apparently they had worn just enough to unlock due to the braking pressure. I talked to another KR-2 owner here in the area and got his plans for a better gear lock system. I am in the process of fixing the locks and then will tear down the engine and replace the crank to be on the safe side. The engine was still running after the prop strike and probably is still good but this is the second time this engine has had a prop strike under similar circumstances. I will replace the crank to be safe. Let me know if I can provide any further info which might be of help. Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:19:01 -0600 From: "Adrian H. Carter" Subject: Re: KR: Sun N Fun crash Hi Mike, Have a good one and don't get sunburned! - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:24:42 -0600 From: "Adrian H. Carter" Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control Parley T. Byington wrote: > > Tom > > Yes I have a stock KR-2 with the exception that I made it into a single > seat due to my size. The engine is a 1835 single mag with a Ray-Jay > turbo charger. I DID have an Aymer-Demuth 52X48 prop until Wednesday > April 8, 1998. > I went flying for about 1.5 hours and landed back at > Boulder City airport. I touched down a little fast and floated, when > the wheels touched the second time I decided to wheel land it. > Everything was fine until I started applying the brakes. As soon as I > put the brakes on the gear RETRACTED and I went sliding down the runway > on the nose and the wheels in the retract posistion. The plane stopped > just short of runway 27L (I had landed on the uphill runway 34). > I was not hurt and only the engine cowling was slightly damaged. But the > Prop of course was quit a bit shorter than it was suppose to be. The > problem was the gear locks, I had the original design and > apparently they had worn just enough to unlock due to the braking > pressure. > I talked to another KR-2 owner here in the area and got his > plans for a better gear lock system. I am in the process of fixing the > locks and then will tear down the engine and replace the crank to be on > the safe side. The engine was still running after the prop strike and > probably is still good but this is the second time this engine has had > a prop strike under similar circumstances. I will replace the crank to > be safe. > Let me know if I can provide any further info which might be of > help. > > Regards > Parley Hi Parley, Too bad for the toothpicks. In my many years in the cockpit I have never used brakes except for stopping. With the KR being so short, things just happen too fast as you are well aware. Even in cross wind landings your futher ahead to ride it out than trying to use and opposite brake. Make for good ground loops. Hope you don't miss to much flying, Good Luck! - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:27:34 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control - ---------- > From: Parley T. Byington > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control > Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 2:30 AM > > Tom > > Yes I have a stock KR-2 with the exception that I made it into a single > seat due to my size. The engine is a 1835 single mag with a Ray-Jay > turbo charger. I DID have an Aymer-Demuth 52X48 prop until Wednesday > April 8, 1998. > I went flying for about 1.5 hours and landed back at > Boulder City airport. I touched down a little fast and floated, when > the wheels touched the second time I decided to wheel land it. > Everything was fine until I started applying the brakes. As soon as I > put the brakes on the gear RETRACTED and I went sliding down the runway > on the nose and the wheels in the retract posistion. The plane stopped > just short of runway 27L (I had landed on the uphill runway 34). > I was not hurt and only the engine cowling was slightly damaged. But the > Prop of course was quit a bit shorter than it was suppose to be. The > problem was the gear locks, I had the original design and > apparently they had worn just enough to unlock due to the braking > pressure. > I talked to another KR-2 owner here in the area and got his > plans for a better gear lock system. I am in the process of fixing the > locks and then will tear down the engine and replace the crank to be on > the safe side. The engine was still running after the prop strike and > probably is still good but this is the second time this engine has had > a prop strike under similar circumstances. I will replace the crank to > be safe. > Let me know if I can provide any further info which might be of > help. > > Regards > Parley I'd be interested in seeing the newer gear lock system as I'm using the original gear . Richard Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net help@pneutronics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 18:03:35 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: KR: Trim Tab System Hi All Does anyone have any experience or any suggestions on doing the trim tab if you have a completed elevator and don't have the holes in the elevator to push the trim tab cable through. I believe that it is essential that the holes go through the center of the horizontal spars on the elevator. I have cut out the trim tab and now want to install the cable. I bought some plastic tubing from the local R/C aeroplane shop, which is what they use for their elevator/etc controls. You can email me through the net or direct. Many Thanks - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com KR 2 ZS-VCM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:07:53 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Prop information Dave, I can recommend "Props Inc" in Newport Oregon. They advertise in the back of Sport Aviation each month, so pick up any back issue and you can get the phone number... or I can go out to the airport and read it off my prop if you need it. -- Regards Ross DAVID STUART wrote: > > Has anyone got a list of names and addresses of propellor manufactures. My > friend Wayne is about to mount a Subaru EA81 using direct drive on his > KR-2s and he wants as much info as he can get. Any help would be > appreciated. Thanks..........Dave > > > David.Stuart@xtra.co.nz - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:16:35 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Urethane Foam Bruce, Your post made it! I think if you want my opinion, I would go with the lighter weight (lower density) foam. I'm not a structural engineering expert, but I think that the compression failure point of the two foams would be the big difference, in tension, I think the peel strength of the epoxy would be more important. Unless you plan to stand on your wings, my GUESS is that the compression strength of the ligther foam is OK for the KR. We have said before that the foam is not structural, although I think we know this isn't exactly true. The foam does carry some loads, but I would try to make my wings lighter if I had it to do over. Comments from the KRNET gallery? -- Regards Ross Bruce Toscano wrote: > > I've sent this post 4 times and it never appears . . . I wonder where > they all go? > > Dow shows 2 urethane foams available: Trymer 1800 @ 1.8 lbs density and > Trymer 2000 @ 2.05 lbs density. > > Which one is everybody (urethane users please) using? > > Price really is not a factor . . . there is some difference in strength > and weight. > > Thanks for your input . . . if this evey makes it. > > Bruce - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:18:35 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Gear (for free) Dennis, Thanks for the offer, however, if any of my components fail, I think I will make new ones out of Titanium... It happens that I live close (<10mi) to a Titanium factory so I think I might try and dig up some channel if they have it. -- Regards Ross Dennis Ambrose wrote: > > If anyone is still trying to keep their retracts system operational, I > have a complete setup to give away. I'll be going to Sun n Fun and am > willing to bring all pieces except the springbar. Let me know SOON!! so I > can add them to my packing list!! > > Regards Dennis (in Toronto) > > At 11:18 AM 4/3/98 -0500, you wrote: > >for all you slow pokes I just called him. They should be on the truck to my > >house this weekend. > > > >Richard Parker > >Jaffrey, NH > > > >---------- > >From: Mike Filbrandt > >To: KR-List > >Subject: KR: KR Gear > >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:11 AM > > > >Fellow KR-Netters, > > > >Got an E- from a gent yesterday who has a new retractable main gear for a > >KR that he wants to get out of his hangar. Anyone interested can have them > >for the taking. They are located in Paso Robles, Ca. For further info, > >contact: > > > >Bill Cartwright > >PRUA241@aol.com > >Phone: 707-494-9593 > > > > > > > >Blue Skies, > > > >Mike > >Sparta, Wi. > >redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net > > > > - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:19:43 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering I've got to check my summer calendar, perhaps I can arrange to be there one day to promote KRNET! I will let everyone know. I missed it last year. -- Ross DC4FREE wrote: > > The Arlington Fly-in is held the 2nd weekend in July and runs from the Wed. > before the 2nd Sat. thru Sunday. > > I've attended the last 5 years and can only recall 1 KR-2 in that time. > > The Fly-in folks are great to work with and would be happy to setup an area > for a > KR-2 group. They would love to have a workshop or class on building a KR in > one of the event tents. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:26:18 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering Martin, What are we talking about here? the subject was '99 Gathering, but is the topic really Arlington? There are a couple of folks from EAA 1183 here in Corvallis, OR that will be going up to Arlington, I may hitch a ride with one of them to represent KR's with some photos or somthing. Keep us posted, and I will let eveyone know what I am doing. -- Regards Ross KRNET-L admin Martin Mulvey wrote: > > OKAY Guys, > > Here is your chance to show yourselves. > > I tried to get Janette up here a few years ago but she was committed > elsewhere. > > It is a great show and as was said, the people are great to work with. > > We, in our chapter, have been dealing with them for a few years now > for group attendance and have had great help. > > Have fun!! Marty > -----Original Message----- > From: DC4FREE > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: 14 April, 1998 18:32 > Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering > > >The Arlington Fly-in is held the 2nd weekend in July and runs from the Wed. > >before the 2nd Sat. thru Sunday. > > > >I've attended the last 5 years and can only recall 1 KR-2 in that time. > > > >The Fly-in folks are great to work with and would be happy to setup an area > >for a > >KR-2 group. They would love to have a workshop or class on building a KR > in > >one of the event tents. > > - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:34:28 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR Sun & Fun. Tom, Terrific! Congratulations! Hope to see your KR in Kitplanes or Sport Aviation. :) Or send pictures. Did you get the ones I emailed to you? Send me an email with your address (Again), and I will mail your photos back to you. Seems I'm always behind on web posting. Your pictures are on the disk at KRNET, I just haven't put a page up for anyone to access them. Guess you will get front page KRNET exposure to make up for this. -- Regards Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > > KR2 616TJ wrote: > OH wait a minute, if any of you (Bobby, Tom, > > Troy..Bob Sr.) would like to trade a ride for tower time, or all you can eat > > shrimp, you provide the beer, at the voluteer park, I can do that too. > > > > Tax returns filed, beer on ice, Melody Mountains waiting in Alabama....Sun & > > Fun....life's good. > > Let me tell you, it is a great feeling to watch that Hobbs meter turn to > 40. Woo Hoo!! > Nothing stopping me now, Sun & Fun here I come! > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:43:19 -0600 From: "Adrian H. Carter" Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control Hi Richard, There is a good positive pin locking system in the KR Newletter. I can dig it out and scan it to my website. This is the system I used and never had a problem with it. I used hardened AN eyebolts for pins. Take about a week to get it up. Further, if I had to do it over again, I would go to the DD fixed gear because I only got a 4-5 mph increase. A lot simpler and you don't have to worry so much about GBUMP. - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:42:04 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Weight Problem Peter, Most of the instrument weights can be found in the ACS catalog, I'd say roughly a pound per instrument. The newer instruments are much lighter than the old stuff, but I'm told they may not hold up as well as the older heavier units. Time will tell, I have mostly new stuff in my panel. -- Regards Ross Peter Leonard wrote: > > G-day > I'm hoping some of you fellows can help me with some weight figures. > > I would like to know how much the "basic instruments" would weigh eg. > magnetic compass, electric gryo, airspeed indicator, altimeter, engine > tacho, oil pressure, CHT gauge and EGT gauge. Just the collective weight > (not individual weights), ballpark figures will do. > > The ballpark weight of a propellor, any type will do composite or wooden, I > just want to get an idea of how much they weigh. > > The weight of tyres, rims and brakes, front and rear and what size they are. > > The weight of the Diehl landing gear legs. > > Thanks in advance > > Peter Leonard > pleonard@gil.com.au - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #72 ****************************