From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:30 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #90 krnet-l-digest Friday, June 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 090 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:53:34 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Petteway project update I finally had a chance to upload the pictures of Troy Petteway's plane from our visit Monday night. They're at http://a51.wetworks.org/langford/petteway/petteway.html. I didn't spend much time on this presentation (I'm busy saving the world at work), but there are lots of good ideas here... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:15:05 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Horizontal Stab (was Trim Tab) In a message dated 98-06-03 08:24:27 EDT, you write: << As you folks can see by Michael's response to my posting, my lack of engineering sense is obvious! Ron >> Hey Ron get in line, it forms behind me :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, Ky mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:01:46 EDT From: Flykr2@aol.com Subject: KR: fuel line size I was hoping someone had some experience with the proper size fuel line to use from the fuel tank using the 2100 series VW engines, the plans on the KRs suggest 1/4" , however that would seem a little small to me. Also is there any good ideas around for a belly flap on the KR2S. I'm building a KR2S and I live near Augusta,GA , If there are other builders in the area, we could exchange ideas. Thanks: Clay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:43:59 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: fuel line size In a message dated 98-06-03 13:03:44 EDT, you write: << I was hoping someone had some experience with the proper size fuel line to use from the fuel tank using the 2100 series VW engines, the plans on the KRs suggest 1/4" , however that would seem a little small to me. >> My Revflow 32mm calls for a 5/16 line. This is going to be like a prop torque, you need to check with your carb manufacturer. 1/4" is probably going to be too small. You shouldn't have any problem finding builders around, you are right in the middle of the tall cotton as far as experienced builders go in the south. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:49:08 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Tom's KR I spoke a little too soon, the mailman answered my question concerning Tom Crawford's photo shoot for Sport Aviation. A picture is on page 42 of this months mag. Contrats Tom, we're still hoping for that article and cover shot, WOO HOO. Seems there is also another interest article on, get this, Trim Speed Bands and the use of centering springs for the relief of pressure on page 100. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:02:00 EDT From: LngDistRep@aol.com Subject: KR: Wing Spar Wing Joints Was wondering if anybody has any extra wing spar brackets laying around. I figured I would give the net a try before I go through the process of manufacturing them for my KR-2 project here.(Rescuer of a KR-2 needing completion) :) My manual here calls for 4130 steel .125" thick for the brackets. Wondering if the new KR-2 manuals call for the same material. If you have extra ones laying around in good condition and would like to move them, I would be interested in purchasing them. Need 9 more for the front spar and 4 for the front of the rear spar and 4 for the rear of the rear spar. If not, I will get back into the spirit of true experimental aircraft (building). I want to thank all those KR builders out there, for the excellent info I have read day after day on the KR-net. Thanks guys Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:44:58 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Wing Spar Wing Joints Paul, The wing attach fittings haven't changed. I think the general consensus from those who've tried it that this is one of those things where it pays to just buy the stupid things rather than trying to make them... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:02:20 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR Travelling news letter. <> I'll mail it tomorrow. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:22:06 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: KR: Re: RE: Wing Spar Wing Joints >Paul, > >The wing attach fittings haven't changed. I think the general consensus >from those who've tried it that this is one of those things where it pays to >just buy the stupid things rather than trying to make them... > This was the idea until the price of the complete set went to almost $500. Unless you can find some that someone wants to sell I would recommend that you just get busy and make them yourself. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK KR-2S@flight2000.com http://www.flight2000.com/hanger/KR-2S http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:22:05 -0500 From: "ronald.freiberger" Subject: KR: RE: fuel line size. ellison web site For lots of good info on fuel lines, filters, and design, be sure to read all the stuff on the Ellison's site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:50:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Horizontal Stab (was Trim Tab) At 06:21 AM 6/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >As you folks can see by Michael's response to my posting, my lack >of engineering sense is obvious! > >Ron Oh yeah and like a I am a wealth of knowledge myself! :o) Its only what I have read and who knows if its true!?! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:02:51 EDT From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Horizontal Stab (was Trim Tab) >>>These may be all great ideas but my initial reaction is that they are >>>drag inducing compensations for an "improperly" set horizontal stab. >>Yeah I know, but I try to keep ideas floating around for those who are past >>the construction stage of the stab or even flying their KR and wish to try >>something different. Trust me there is more than just the stab >>"improperly" set on this air plane! > As you folks can see by Michael's response to my posting, my lack > of engineering sense is obvious! Actually, I think you're both right, and not really inconsistent with one another. The ideal would certainly be to have the stabilizer set correctly to begin with, and if you're manufacturing spamcans, you'd eventually get that right. If you're building a single homebuilt, trial and error isn't so practical, so you do an after-the-fact bodge of some kind. A trimtab is one such bodge and a wing-section shape for the bottom of the stabilizer is another. My guess is if you need a big correction, the trimtab would have more drag, since you're flying all the time with the stabilizer pushing the tail up and the elevator pushing it back down. Can anyone suggest how you would design the underside of such an airfoil on the stabilizer? Are there special airfoils intended for tailfeathers, or would you just make a random curve (or maybe the top of your wing-section upside down)? Also how would you know how much curve you need? Is the foam by itself durable enough for short test flights without glassing it? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:39:12 EDT From: DC4FREE@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR Travelling news letter. OUTSTANDING!! I'v been wanting to get a complete set for quite sometime now. Thanks don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:06:11 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Wing Spar Wing Joints This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2DE2E97952EB06E21D2475CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I don't see why you couldn't make them out of 4130 stock. Just forget about makin the lightening holes, and you could even leave the ends squarish. An air-powered cutting tool could slice up the 1/8" stock that AS&S sells. It's 1.5 inches by 72 inches. You could get 10 brackets out of it and it costs $11.85. Take the other $478 and put it towards an 1835cc VW. ;) - -Tom LngDistRep@aol.com wrote: > Was wondering if anybody has any extra wing spar brackets laying around. I > figured I would give the net a try before I go through the process of > manufacturing them for my KR-2 project here.(Rescuer of a KR-2 needing > completion) :) > > My manual here calls for 4130 steel .125" thick for the brackets. Wondering if > the new KR-2 manuals call for the same material. > > If you have extra ones laying around in good condition and would like to move > them, I would be interested in purchasing them. > > Need 9 more for the front spar and 4 for the front of the rear spar and 4 for > the rear of the rear spar. If not, I will get back into the spirit of true > experimental aircraft (building). > > I want to thank all those KR builders out there, for the excellent info I have > read day after day on the KR-net. > > Thanks guys > > Paul - --------------2DE2E97952EB06E21D2475CD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Tom n: ;Tom email;internet: tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------2DE2E97952EB06E21D2475CD-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:22:10 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Horizontal Stab (was Trim Tab) The point I think I missed is that Michael posted possible solutions to correcting an already built plane that might be better that using the wedges Jeff described. They also may be more work. I am sure he would agree that IF the incidence is not optimal, it makes more sense to make it right while building. Ron >>As you folks can see by Michael's response to my posting, my lack >>of engineering sense is obvious! >> >>Ron > >Oh yeah and like a I am a wealth of knowledge myself! :o) Its only what I >have read and who knows if its true!?! >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 714.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:36:28 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Wing Spar Wing Joints Tom Andersen wrote: > > Paul, > I don't see why you couldn't make them out of 4130 stock. Just forget about makin > the lightening holes, and you could even leave the ends squarish. The holes in the wing attachment fittings are NOT for making the fitting lighter. They, or the equivalent, are required since the strength and modulus of elasticity of the metal and the wood are different. There is a long, involved engineering analysis that I will not go into again, but some type of "change in strength" is required. An exactly equivalent design could be made without drilling large holes. Keep the mounting hole locations the same, drill the smallest of the "large" holes in the same location, and then cut the fitting so that it looks like a dinner fork with two tines. I will make a sketch if anyone really wants to see it. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:35:26 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: RE: KR: Alternator noise At 04:35 AM 6/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >The suggestion that Bobby came up with is the one that I would have tried >out, and was going to suggest as well. I have experimented with electronics >for a long time, and have often used electrolytics for spike absorbtion >after conversion to DC. > >Seems to me that if it shorted, it would just fry the rectifier. Also seems >that a fuse could be installed inline with the capacitor, and it would >save your alternator and rectifier if the capacitor shorted, if it was >going to short at all. > >Bobby's system has worked fine for a pretty long time, if I am not mistaken >(if he installed it when he started flying). I don't know how much heat his >gets baked with. > >Robert Covington > Thanks Robert, The capacitor is electrolyic and is suject to failure as is every other part of my airplane. It has worked well for almost five years now. To help keep it cool, it is mounted in the cockpit, not in the engine cowling. If someone could come up with a better solution I would try it. I don't believe a electrolyic capacitor is the greatest device to use but it works. I understand that an inductor would actually cut down on the noise/spikes from the alternator better but it would be too big and too heavy to put in a KR. Bobby Muse(N122B) mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:49:33 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Help I need help with two things: 1) Does anyone have Calvin Campbell's phone number? 2) I need a oil pressure hose that is used on a Revmaster engine. It's the one from the prop hub back to the engine case. My phone number is 512/842-1246. Bobby Muse(N122B) mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:22:22 -0400 From: "Griffing, Bruce F (CRD)" Subject: RE: KR: Alternator noise Bobby- Since you like the capacitor solution I suggest that you put a fuse in series with it. That won't add much weight. Bruce > ---------- > From: Bobby Muse[SMTP:bmuse@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 10:35 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: RE: KR: Alternator noise > > At 04:35 AM 6/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >The suggestion that Bobby came up with is the one that I would have tried > >out, and was going to suggest as well. I have experimented with electronics > >for a long time, and have often used electrolytics for spike absorbtion > >after conversion to DC. > > > >Seems to me that if it shorted, it would just fry the rectifier. Also seems > >that a fuse could be installed inline with the capacitor, and it would > >save your alternator and rectifier if the capacitor shorted, if it was > >going to short at all. > > > >Bobby's system has worked fine for a pretty long time, if I am not mistaken > >(if he installed it when he started flying). I don't know how much heat his > >gets baked with. > > > >Robert Covington > > > > > Thanks Robert, The capacitor is electrolyic and is suject to failure as is > every other part of my airplane. It has worked well for almost five years > now. To help keep it cool, it is mounted > in the cockpit, not in the engine cowling. > > If someone could come up with a better solution I would try it. I don't > believe a electrolyic capacitor is the greatest device to use but it works. > I understand that an inductor would actually cut down on the noise/spikes > from the alternator better but it would be too big and too heavy to put in a KR. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:22 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Calvin Campbell Bobby: I believe he is still in Broken Arrow, OK Try: 918-455-9458 Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:03:27 -0500 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: KR: Re: Grumman Windshield (was Double checking) - ---------- > From: Austin Clark > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Grumman Windshield (was Double checking) > Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 11:58 AM > > At 00:39 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >> >Austin i got the dimension on the aa1 grumman windsheard its 40" across Austin gumman windsheard on hold . had a windstom a couper weeks ago and had the hanger doors blown in onto my kr2 and cessna 150 it chopped the tail off the kr2 and did one airon in wingtips cowling on the cessna Got the kr2 home with the other kr2s so got two kr2 too build. terry chizek kr2 production line without much production. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:59:51 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Alternator noise Tom, The size of the capacitor you need depends somewhat on the frequency of the interference that you are getting. I think you could try some larger values as well to see if they help. Another thing you might consider is to get some copper braid, and run the radio power line inside this as a shield (or use shielded cable for power.) Also you might want to double check the ground connection on your alternator's regulator. The regulator might be noisy if it has a poor ground connection, or it just might not be doing a good job of making clean enough DC out of the AC. If it's not doing a good job, than a BIG capacitor will make things better I believe, however I can't comment on how the regulator will preform long term with a big capacitor on the load side. I expect it would be OK, but since we are talking airplanes, I need to qualify this with the fact that I know a little about electronics, but probably not enough to bet your life on. However, If a BIG capacitor worked for me, I would get a LM7912 or equivilent, and build a smaller 12V regulator or use a 12V zeiner so that the radio had better power. Then of course, there is always the possiblity that the alternator noise is getting in via the antenna, or your headset wiring as radio interference. Make sure that your headset jack wiring is shielded from the radio to the jack to keep the noise from coming in at that point. Other than this... I don't have any fresh ideas at the moment. -- Regards Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > > Now that I am flying with 2 aboard, I have found that I have so much > electrical noise coming from the alternator thru the radio, that it > prevents the intercom from working. The radio has priority over the > intercom, and it thinks that buzzing is a radio transmission. > I have verified this by switching off the alternator- the noise > dissapears and the intercom works fine. > I have tried an automotive noise filter from rodeo snack- 0.5uF > capacitor without success, no change in the noise level. Methinks this > may be too small? > Any electronics gurus out there able to help me out? (Brian, Ross, Tom, > etc.) > > By the way, my wife refuses to fly with me until I get the intercom > fixed. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? #:-) > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:03:23 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Spruce quality Genseric@aol.com wrote: > > I just got done inspecting my spruce shipment and I found one peice with a bow > in. It's one of the virtical & rudder spars. I put the 45" long piece next > to a straight edge and mesured a 3/16 inch gap. There also seems to be a > surface defect running the lenght of the peice. Is this worth sending back > for a new peice? > > Ben Raby > Minnesota It's your call. I think you might be able to work with this, but you have time, and I'd probably send the piece back. By the way where did you buy your spruce? -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:07:34 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: RE: Alternator noise Bruce, I like the idea of an alternator RF trap! Nifty. Also the test with a AM radio is a neat idea... I expect I will be using these tips soon. -- Ross Griffing, Bruce F (CRD) wrote: > > Tom- > One disadvantage a composite vehicle has over a metal one is the lack > of a good ground. The alternator, by its nature, generates a significant > amount of ac you don't want on top of the dc you want to run the plane. > The trick is to filter the ac out close to or at the alternator and let the dc run > around and do its job. If the ac currents are developing voltages in your ground > wiring it can add noise. Another way it can add noise is directly on the 12v side of > the circuit. A third possibility radiated noise - a possibility facilitated by the lack of > a metal structure in the kr. Since we don't know which of the three it is, I will suggest > a few tests. First - sit in your cockpit, run the engine and listen with a few portable > radios. Try a few types, with an am radio probably being the most sensitive to > radiated interference. If you get none - good - you have eliminated radiated noise > as a possible source If you do get some send me your wiring diagram > and I'll suggest something else. > If radiated noise is not the problem, I would next try putting an RF trap > on the alternator. This is a device that consists of a very heavy inductor (all of > the alternator current passes through it) and a few capacitors. Get one designed for > a car alternator at a ham radio store. Make sure to ground it to the alternator itself. > We are trying to make the ac run around this short loop and let the now cleaner dc > pass to the airplane. If this doesn't work get back to me and we'll take the next step. > Bruce Griffing > > > From: Tom Crawford[SMTP:tomc@afn.org] > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 4:23 PM > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Alternator noise > > > > Now that I am flying with 2 aboard, I have found that I have so much > > electrical noise coming from the alternator thru the radio, that it > > prevents the intercom from working. The radio has priority over the > > intercom, and it thinks that buzzing is a radio transmission. > > I have verified this by switching off the alternator- the noise > > dissapears and the intercom works fine. > > I have tried an automotive noise filter from rodeo snack- 0.5uF > > capacitor without success, no change in the noise level. Methinks this > > may be too small? > > Any electronics gurus out there able to help me out? (Brian, Ross, Tom, > > etc.) > > > > By the way, my wife refuses to fly with me until I get the intercom > > fixed. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? #:-) > > > > Tom Crawford > > tomc@afn.org > > Gainesville, FL > > N262TC > > - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:10:06 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Alternator noise Bobby Muse wrote: > Tom, I had the same problem. Besides shielding the alternator, mag and > Tach wires, I used a 60uF/65 Volt capacitor on the dc side of the Voltage > regulator/rectifier. I purchased it new from a electronic surplus store. I > believe it was the type used in power supplies for computers, etc.. It is > big...about 2 1/2" x 5", but it works. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Kind of like tying a boulder to a childs spring to keep it from moving. Very effective. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:29:49 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Fw: Flight simulators for Cessna 182] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------52BFA1D762319AC463DECDAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone Know the answer to this one? - -- Ross - --------------52BFA1D762319AC463DECDAD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for rossy (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Thu Jun 4 11:43:21 1998) X-From_: owner-opa@scraps.dnc.net Tue Jun 2 22:00:37 1998 Return-Path: owner-opa@scraps.dnc.net Received: from dudley.dnc.net (dudley.dnc.net [206.58.127.16]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28737; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dudley.dnc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07886; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scraps.dnc.net(206.58.127.13) via SMTP by dudley.dnc.net, id smtpd007882; Tue Jun 2 22:05:41 1998 Received: by scraps.dnc.net ($Revision: 1.37.109.9 $/15.5+IOS 3.22[SMTP-rly]+CV 1.0leaf) id AA0502455003; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:53:47 -0700 Received: from dudley.dnc.net by scraps.dnc.net with SMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.9 $/15.5+IOS 3.22[SMTP-rly]+CV 1.0leaf) id AA0502054997; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:53:41 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dudley.dnc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07873 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806030505.WAA07873@dudley.dnc.net> Received: from albany-PM2-18.dnc.net(206.58.127.148), claiming to be "fpfzqlga" via SMTP by dudley.dnc.net, id smtpd007863; Tue Jun 2 22:05:21 1998 From: "Steve Kimura" To: "Listserv OPA" Subject: Fw: Flight simulators for Cessna 182 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:54:48 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-opa@scraps.dnc.net Precedence: bulk I'm forwarding this to the list in hopes that someone can help him --sk - ---------- > From: Steve Bull > To: skimura@dnc.net > Subject: Flight simulators for Cessna 182 > Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 11:54 PM > > Steve, I found your name on the internet and wondered if you could help > me. I am a pilot (student) out of Burns. I would like to find, if ther > e are any in Oregon, a simulator (not a computer program) that I could > use to train me how to enter and exit spins and such. Do you know of > any? I'd appreciate any help. The kind of simulator I'm looking for is > an actual cockpit. Thanks. - --------------52BFA1D762319AC463DECDAD-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:32:09 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Oregon EAA Fly-In Paul, What a bummer... this weekend our EAA chapter is planning a potluck lunch Corvallis (CVO), then we will probably talk airplanes. After that, My mother is coming in... I have graduations to deal with this week, my wife and daughter... between this and work, I don't have any energy to sand anymore... man the summers about half blown! Take some photos! If it's sunny, perhaps I can break away, rent a C-152 and fly down on Sunday...but its a 20% probability. -- Regards Ross Linda & Paul Martin wrote: > > Yikes! It's this weekend, June 6th & 7th, in sunny (I hope) Medford, OR. > Free steak BBQ Saturday night for all fly-in pilots and their > passengers, Fri. night spaghetti feed, pancake breakfast, burger lunch, > FlyMart Young Eagles flights, hourly raffles, free camping, maybe even a > sub-standard parts bonfire. Oscar, you up for it? > > If it's not looking like rain I'll bring my KR2 down to the field. She's > not ready to fly yet but looks like she could. The satin look primer > sort of hides where I still have to fill & sand. If rain is forecast I'd > be happy to bring any of you up to our garage for a look at the plane. > > Let me know if you're coming to town. We have a nice guest room > (dungeon) for any KRNetter who needs a place to stay Sat. night (if I > survive the BBQ that is, I'm the cook :-). > > Paul M. (Martin) > Ashland, OR > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:34:16 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Alternator noise One solution would be to run the potentially un-reliable Capacitor through a 30A fuse. If it shorts, the fuse blows, and you get your radio noise back, I think however, that you could even use a 15A fuse, as only the noise current is supposed to be flowing from the alternator to the capacitor. Griffing, Bruce F (CRD) wrote: > > Tom and Bobby- > I don't think the solution Bobby suggested is a good one. From Bobby's > description of the capacitor it is a type called an electrolytic. I know from > my experience at work that electrolytic capacitors are a source of unreliability > in electronic systems. And they are made vulnerable by high temperature operation > and vibration. Further, a common failure mode is a short. Do you really want this > device across the output terminals of your alternator? I think not. A more robust > solution will not be expensive, but may involve some trial and error. I will be glad to > help out. If you want more hands on help - seek out a ham radio operator. He/she will > be able to help. > Bruce > > ---------- > > From: Bobby Muse[SMTP:bmuse@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:38 AM > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: Re: KR: Alternator noise > > > > At 01:23 PM 6/1/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >Now that I am flying with 2 aboard, I have found that I have so much > > >electrical noise coming from the alternator thru the radio, that it > > >prevents the intercom from working. The radio has priority over the > > >intercom, and it thinks that buzzing is a radio transmission. > > >I have verified this by switching off the alternator- the noise > > >dissapears and the intercom works fine. > > >I have tried an automotive noise filter from rodeo snack- 0.5uF > > >capacitor without success, no change in the noise level. Methinks this > > >may be too small? > > >Any electronics gurus out there able to help me out? (Brian, Ross, Tom, > > >etc.) > > > > > >By the way, my wife refuses to fly with me until I get the intercom > > >fixed. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? #:-) > > > > > >Tom Crawford > > >tomc@afn.org > > >Gainesville, FL > > >N262TC > > > > > > > Tom, I had the same problem. Besides shielding the alternator, mag and > > Tach wires, I used a 60uF/65 Volt capacitor on the dc side of the Voltage > > regulator/rectifier. I purchased it new from a electronic surplus store. I > > believe it was the type used in power supplies for computers, etc.. It is > > big...about 2 1/2" x 5", but it works. > > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > > Wimberly, TX > > > > > > - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:48:54 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: fuel line size I ran 1/4 line from my wing tanks to the electric fuel pumps for each wing, and up to the 4-way fuel selector. Then from the fuel selector, I ran 3/8 line to the gascolator. The gascolator to Ellison line is 1/4" line as the Ellison is plumbed for 1/4" line. The header tank is currently gravity feed, and is also using 3/8 line. I am considering moving one of my fuel pumps to the firewall so that all my fuel would be pressureized, but for the moment, I am going to experiment with the gravity feed header as a 5 gal reserve. - -- Regards Ross > > I was hoping someone had some experience with the proper size fuel line > to use from the fuel tank using the 2100 series VW engines, the plans on > the KRs suggest 1/4" , however that would seem a little small to me. > Also is there any good ideas around for a belly flap on the KR2S. > I'm building a KR2S and I live near Augusta,GA , If there are other > builders in the area, we could exchange ideas. > Thanks: Clay - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:30:10 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: KR: KR/Perry fly-in video One of the guys at our EAA chapter meeting last week brought a video of his first flight in his new RV-6A, so I took Video Bob's production too. They all agreed that the KR video was better quality and the music was MUCH better. We are out-numbered, there are several RV-ers in our chapter and only 2 KR builders, but a lot of folks were pretty impressed with the KR's. Several had never seen a KR and were surprised at how little they were. If you don't have one of Bob's videos, get one - it will keep you motivated! Keep 'em Flying, Kerry Miller Royse City, TX PS I FINALLY got to fly a Pitts last weekend, if this is pitch sensitivity it's really not that big of a deal. You adjust to it pretty quickly. But then, I could barely see anything around the big grin I was wearing... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:11:14 EDT From: Genseric@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Spruce quality In a message dated 98-06-04 19:05:58 EDT, you write: << It's your call. I think you might be able to work with this, but you have time, and I'd probably send the piece back. By the way where did you buy your spruce? -- Regards Ross >> I had baught it from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty. I am very pleased with the rest of the wood, It's just that this was the only peice with any flaw. Maybe I'm being to picky. I've just been really worked up about the order taking well over two months to arrive. Just need to get the garage in shape now so I can build!! =) Ben Raby Minnesota ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:08:01 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: fuel line size In a message dated 6/4/1998 18:52:54 EST, rossy@teleport.com writes: << Line >> I am looking for other KR builders in upstate NY. ( Elmira Corning area) I built a KR2 in the early 80's . Considering a KR2S project. I/4 inch fuel line works well. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:16:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: (Building a) Trailer for KR's John, This will depend in part on what type of engine you are using. I think in my case it is between 3 and 4 feet, but I will have to go out and measure it. On my KR-2 it fits onto a 4x8 trailer if you let the tail extend towards the tongue a bit. I had a old driftboat trailer, and the part for the winch in front was a great place to secure the tailwheel. I got rid of the trailer after I had the engine mounted, then rented a trailer for $45 to move the project the last time. BTW, if you have any neighbors thinking of selling their house, my wife and I might be in the market by the end of the year. (I may wish to relocate to Portland, as the 180 mile round trip commute to PDX each week is taking it's toll.) -- Regards Ross John Bouyea wrote: > I have an old motorcycle trailer that I hope to convert for moving a > project and eventually, my finished a/c. Looking at the dimension sheet > included with the "S" plans, the distance from the nosegear to the mains is > shown. The distance from the spinner tip to the firewall (or the nosegear > ,mains, whatever) is missing. Anyone have this measurement available? > > Thanks! > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - building the spars > Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:27:43 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: N56ML project update Mark, I now have a CD-ROM burner, and I'm trying to see where Oscar is with the CD-ROM archive project. For 1998, I want to try and have a CD-ROM to distribute for those that support KR-NET donation. If you want to archive your stuff, you could release it to KRNET and I can archive it on CD-ROM. One CD-ROM is supposed to hold up to 640Mb so that should be at least 4 good pictures. The CD-ROM's and jewled cases go for about $12 for 5, or I can get a large "cake" of them for $70. At any rate, I think the media cost is about $2.00 per disk, so I am thinking of mailing them out to members who donate $12.00 or so. (This has not yet been finalized so KRNETTERS, please hold off a month or so). I can only accept floppies, or photos at the moment, if you have stuff > 1Mb at a time to send... we have to figure somthing out. I will accept photos, articles anything anyone wants to provide. Email to: krnet@krnet.org rossy@teleport.com Mail to: KR-NET submissions c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis,OR 97330 Please only send contributions you have the copyright to, and are willing to have distributed for the ongoing support of KRNET. Mark Langford wrote: > NetHeads, > > I just posted an update which details the wing skin method that I used on > the leading edge of my stub wings. There are also a few shots of the > Ultimate Laser Blazer landing lights and the method I used to make the > covers. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html. I'll do > another one shortly. > > I ordered a digital camera today and it should be here by the weekend, so > updates will be continuous, rather than waiting once a month or so to get a > roll of film developed, or for me to have time to scan them. Now I'll be > able to shoot a picture and publish it in minutes. I cheaped out and bought > just about the most inexpensive one I could find, an Agfa ePhoto 307 from > www.buycomp.com for a mere $197. It does 72 pictures at web resolutions, > and 36 at 640 x 480, plenty for my purposes, before downloading. Digital > finally came to within my budget. > > Now that pictures are free to create, I guess I should up my web site space > from the 16 gigabytes I'm eating up now... > > Mark Langford > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #90 ****************************