From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 11:51 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #109 krnet-l-digest Friday, July 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 109 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:00:52 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Hinges Heads and KR2S motor mount rails If that's true then I'm missing one of the laminations. Oh boy... Micheal Mims wrote: > Aileron Hinge Heads,..... hey I know it must be there somewhere but > after browsing my plans 2 times now I can not find what size piano hinge > should be used on the ailerons. I measured from the plans and it > appears to be the 1.250 inch stuff. Is this right? I plan to pick some > up on Friday before AS&S closes. Man they are sure proud of that stuff > aint they? $40.00 per aileron! That's impressive! :o) Did you guys > really flox anchor nuts to the backside of the 1/4 inch spruce spars? > And it holds? I was thinking about riveting them to a 1 x 2 inch piece > of thin aluminum sheet and floxing the aluminum to the spar. Anyone > have thoughts on that? > > There was a question a while back as to what the motor mount beefup was > from the KR2 to the KR2S plans and I mentioned that there were some > plywood gussets added but I noticed today that the major improvement was > the top motor mount rail was doubled! The KR2 plans show only one 5/8 > thick cross member and the KR2S has two 5/8 cross members laminated > together. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:22:53 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Aileron Hinges Mike, The aileron hinges are MS20001-5, 1" wide when folded. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:29:43 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Hinges Heads and KR2S motor mount rails At 10:00 PM 7/1/98 -0400, you wrote: >If that's true then I'm missing one of the laminations. Oh boy... > Oh its true alright! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:17:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Pan Head Screws Aileron Heads, the manual says to use 8/32 pan head screws every 6 inches. I wanted to use MS 35190 screws (page 86 on AS&S cat) with skin washers A3235-017-935 (page 91). Any thought out there on this? Is "Pan Head Screws" kinda vague or is it just me? :o) Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think ever 10 to 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full length extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. Wonder how those Pipers get away with only three , five inch pieces? :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:57:45 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Attach fittings Dean, I need a set. What is the price range? Rich McCall Junction City, KS "looking to get back to Dallas" Dean R. Collette, MD wrote: > Netters, > > I was talking with a friend who happens to own a machine shop. It seems that > they specialize in piece-work. I gave him a set of prints for the WAFs. He > thinks that he will be able to make these puppies for less than what RR will > sell them for, but, as is always the case, the price goes down with the > number that he would make. > > If anybody out there would be interested in a set, send me email. No > promises. Just trying to get a price. > > Dean > mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:53:37 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws In a message dated 98-07-01 23:17:24 EDT, you write: << Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think ever 10 to 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full length extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. >> Mike: Dig out your EZ plans and see what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. Remember the full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one though). Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:59:40 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws At 12:53 AM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote: >Dig out your EZ plans and see what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. Remember the full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one though). > >Randy > >He uses three little short pieces like the Pipers! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 05:36:01 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws Micheal Mims wrote: > > Aileron Heads, > Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think ever 10 to > 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full length > extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. A response to this one mentioned Rutan. The Vari- and Long-Eze use three small sets of the piano hinges. In one of Tony's books, he mentioned that if you use piano hinges, then you should not use a full length since it can cause binding (page 74 of SpportPlane Construction Technniques). One KR driver that I talked to did say that his ailerons would tighten up badly at higher g loads. I would consider using three or four hinge segments. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 05:12:10 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Virginia any builders down in the virginia beach area? I'm heading down friday for a few days and am always up for looking at other peoples projects and engaging in a little hangar talk. Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:30:21 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws In a message dated 98-07-01 23:17:24 EDT, you write: << Aileron Heads, the manual says to use 8/32 pan head screws every 6 inches. I wanted to use MS 35190 screws (page 86 on AS&S cat) with skin washers A3235-017-935 (page 91). Any thought out there on this? >> Mike, that is exactly what I did. I didn't like the idea of the screw head being the only contact point. There is plenty of room in full down deflection, just offset the opposing side. I also floxed in backplates using two lug floating anchor nuts...........overkill, could be but it worked for me. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:28:32 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: insulation I wouldn't It just adds weight. - -- Ross Alan Moat wrote: > Stupid question from a novice. I am going to put foam between the > floor and the outer skin. Should I seal the foam before I close up > the floor? I am expanded polystyrene Thank you in advance. Alan Moat > Kr-2s (14%) > taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:31:19 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: VW 2180 Valve Cover Gaskets Just go to your local auto parts store and ask for valve cover gaskets for a VW dual port head. You are probably using the same head as a normal VW, but it is clearanced for larger cylinders. The valve cover should be the same, unless you are using SCAT single cyl heads. - -- Regards Ross Ron Lee wrote: > Tried calling Revmaster to find the part number for the valve > cover gaskets for a 2180 engine and the number did not work. > May have changed area codes. > > Since I am not familiar with buying parts for an engine without > a car....how does one determine the right gasket in an auto parts > store? > > Ron "yea it may be a blonde type question" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:40:30 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Arlington Flyin Tom, Belive me, no one is sorrier than I about missing Perry last year! I renewed my medical Monday, and am planning to be at Arlington Next week. -- Regards Ross -- Tom Stokes wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:16:47 -0700 Ross Youngblood > writes: > >I will be out of town most of the time from now till I get to go to > >Arlington, > >I don't know > >how orginized I will be, but I will be there, and ready to talk KR! > > > > -- Ross > > I don't know Ross I drove all the way to Perry, OK last year to meet you > and you didn't show. But one of my kids did have fun bouncing on Bobby > Muse's wing. > > Tom in Reno NV > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:26:18 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: insulation Ditto. How do you tell if something is too heavy for an airplane? Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down it's too heavy. Seriously, try building with a scale next to you that has graduations down to the ounce marks. Next time you want to add something, weigh it and decide if it's worth handicapping your airplane for the rest of it's life with that part. You'll find that if you add four things that are only four onces each, that's a pound. Do that a few times, make a few heavier substitutions in materials, and you have an overweight airplane. Whatever you add, your wing will have to increase angle of attack a proportional amount, and that's DRAG, and that's SLOWER. Since I started weighing everything I'm getting stingy. One thing I noticed is that epoxy is liquid weight, and the foam absorbs it like a sponge. - -Tom Ross Youngblood wrote: > I wouldn't It just adds weight. > -- Ross > > Alan Moat wrote: > > > Stupid question from a novice. I am going to put foam between the > > floor and the outer skin. Should I seal the foam before I close up > > the floor? I am expanded polystyrene Thank you in advance. Alan Moat > > Kr-2s (14%) > > taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:19:20 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws ><< Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think >ever 10 to > 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full >length > extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. >> > >Mike: > >Dig out your EZ plans and see what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. >Remember the >full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one though). What does the Taylor Monoplane use for hinges? Maybe Ken Rand just copied what he found there. At any rate, if you use multiple short pieces of hinge, they'd need careful alignment like the hinges on the elevator. If you're using one long piece, no alignment problem can arise. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:51:03 -0700 From: "Benny Skyn" Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDA614.45738FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about mounting the full length hinge, marking what you want to cut, = removing and trimming it down. No alignment problem hopfully but you = know how it goes! Benny Skyn -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 4:40 PM Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws =20 =20 ><< Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think=20 >ever 10 to > 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full = >length > extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. >> > >Mike: > >Dig out your EZ plans and see what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. =20 >Remember the >full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one = though). =20 What does the Taylor Monoplane use for hinges? Maybe Ken Rand just copied what he found there. =20 At any rate, if you use multiple short pieces of hinge, they'd need careful alignment like the hinges on the elevator. If you're using = one long piece, no alignment problem can arise. =20 Mike Taglieri =20 ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' ------------------------------------------------ =20 = _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDA614.45738FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about mounting the full length = hinge,=20 marking what you want to cut, removing and trimming it down. No = alignment=20 problem hopfully but you know how it goes!
Benny = Skyn
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From:=20 Michael Taglieri <miketnyc@juno.com>
To: = krnet-l@teleport.com <krnet-l@teleport.com>
D= ate:=20 Thursday, July 02, 1998 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR: Pan = Head=20 Screws

><< Also doesn't every 6 inches = sound=20 like overkill?  I would think
>ever 10 to
> 12 = inches=20 would be more than enough but who knows?  Certainly full=20
>length
> extruded hinge is overkill but I like it.=20 >>
>
>Mike:
>
>Dig out your EZ plans = and see=20 what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. 
>Remember = the
>full=20 length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one = though).

What=20 does the Taylor Monoplane use for hinges?  Maybe Ken Rand=20 just
copied what he found there.

At any rate, if you use = multiple=20 short pieces of hinge, they'd need
careful alignment like the = hinges on=20 the elevator. If you're using one
long piece, no alignment = problem can=20 arise.

Mike=20 = Taglieri

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDA614.45738FC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:01:31 -0700 From: "Benny Skyn" Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BDA615.BBF101E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you Know of anyone building a 1700 type 4??? I have one that is = stock. My question concerns the cam. Is stock advisable??? Benny Skyn -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:28 AM Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? =20 =20 <<>> =20 In my quest for a lighter Lycoming I looked into the Ellison Fuel = System for my engine. I wanted to remove the oil sump that Lycoming = installed and make up another that does not include the intakes submerged in = hot oil. This would have also made my engine about 8 inches shorter = from top to bottom and 4 pounds lighter. Anyway I talked to the Ellison people about a unit for the 130hp range and once again they admitted = to not having the perfect solution for that HP range. I also razzed = them pretty hard about the carb costing $1500 and not being certified, I wanted to know why it cost so much? Needless to say I didnt make = any friends at the Ellison skunkworks. I talked to three guys who have installed the Ellison on various Lycomings (235,320s) and all three removed them because of poor performance. The guy with the 235 said = he lost almost 2 inches of MAP with the Ellison at full throttle. They sure work great on the smaller VWs but I guess they have a problem = on the big iron. That's too bad because the two VWs in my hanger run = GREAT with thier Ellisons. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BDA615.BBF101E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do you Know of anyone building a = 1700 type 4???=20 I have one that is stock. My question concerns the cam. Is stock=20 advisable???
Benny = Skyn
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Micheal Mims <mikemims@pacbell.net>
T= o:=20 krnet-l@teleport.com = <krnet-l@teleport.com>
D= ate:=20 Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: KR: = smokin'=20 VW's?

<<<Mark Langford = wrote:

  I=20 originally thought about the  Ellison, but there isn't one = that's=20 a
perfect match for the 2.6 liter displacement.  I talked to = an=20 A&P
(sorry, I can't think of his name at the  moment, = but seems=20 like he was
from Michigan) who flew his 2.6 liter KR to  = Oshkosh=20 last year.  He had
an Ellison and was not developing the = kind=20 of  power he had hoped for.
Ellison confessed that the = EFS-2 wasn't=20 really>>>

In my quest for a lighter Lycoming I = looked into=20 the Ellison Fuel System
for my engine.  I wanted to remove = the oil=20 sump that Lycoming installed
and make up another that does not = include=20 the intakes submerged in hot
oil.  This would have also made = my=20 engine about 8 inches shorter from
top to bottom and 4 pounds=20 lighter.  Anyway I talked to the Ellison
people about a unit = for the=20 130hp range and once again they admitted to
not having the = perfect=20 solution for that HP range. I also razzed them
pretty hard about = the carb=20 costing $1500 and not being certified, I
wanted to know why it = cost so=20 much?  Needless to say I didnt make any
friends at the = Ellison=20 skunkworks. I talked to three guys who have
installed the Ellison = on=20 various Lycomings (235,320s) and all three
removed them because = of poor=20 performance.  The guy with the 235 said he
lost almost 2 = inches of=20 MAP with the Ellison at full throttle.  They
sure work great = on the=20 smaller VWs but I guess they have a problem on
the big = iron.  That's=20 too bad because the two VWs in my hanger run GREAT
with thier=20 Ellisons.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BDA615.BBF101E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 05:59:42 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? In a message dated 98-07-03 00:05:12 EDT, you write: << Do you Know of anyone building a 1700 type 4??? I have one that is stock. My question concerns the cam. Is stock advisable??? >> Benny, there my be some other thoughts on "stock" but I don't think the stock cam will be a factor at all. The stock crank in VW's is where the problem lies. Cast cranks have a yield strength on 10 times less than the major, after market, airplane use, 4340 billet forged crank available. If yours is a stock forged crank, you never know the speed of the manufacturing process, you could end up having a very good one or a very poor one...........you just don't know without having it examined. You can certainly fly an airplane using all stock parts, but there are some very reasonable upgrades you can do. Check out my engine page at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/kr00005.htm I recently built up my type 1 1835 to a 2180 using the 82 mm SCAT crank and force one bearing and hub. I think the fourth picture down is the picture of the two cranks sitting side by side. Vdub forever!!...........course I haven't flown it yet :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:03:47 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Vacation. I'm outa here for a week................gone to the beach. I plan on going deep sea fishing and bringing back some fish and a good tan. I plan on having a good time, but don't plan on bringing back what Mike brought back :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 07:39:51 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-07-03 00:05:12 EDT, you write: > > << Do you Know of anyone building a 1700 type 4??? I have one that is stock. > My question concerns the cam. Is stock advisable??? >> > > Benny, there my be some other thoughts on "stock" but I don't think the stock > cam will be a factor at all. The stock crank in VW's is where the problem > lies. Cast cranks have a yield strength on 10 times less than the major, > after market, airplane use, 4340 billet forged crank available. If yours is a > stock forged crank, you never know the speed of the manufacturing process, you > could end up having a very good one or a very poor one...........you just > don't know without having it examined. You can certainly fly an airplane > using all stock parts, but there are some very reasonable upgrades you can do. > The T4 cranks are generally good quality if stock. I dont beleive the used any cast cranks from the factory. About the cam, you can replace it with an aftermarket one that will move your optimum performance area down to the RPM range that we use in airplanes. About the 1700 T4- if you want a T4, it's best to look for a 2L. The crank and rods are different in the 1.7, and you will have a harder time making it a "big boy". Not as much stroke in the crank. If you are going to have the extra weight of the T4, you might as well grab all the cc's. If you want to spring for the big bucks, you can use that case and heads, buy a stroker crank (about $1000.00), 2L rods, different cam, 105mm pistons & cylinders (about $600.00) and you will end up with a 2600cc monster that I think you will enjoy. Cheers, Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC 2400cc T4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 07:43:29 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws Michael Taglieri wrote: > > ><< Also doesn't every 6 inches sound like overkill? I would think > >ever 10 to > > 12 inches would be more than enough but who knows? Certainly full > >length > > extruded hinge is overkill but I like it. >> > > > >Mike: > > > >Dig out your EZ plans and see what 'ol Burtski used for hinges. > >Remember the > >full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one though). > > What does the Taylor Monoplane use for hinges? Maybe Ken Rand just > copied what he found there. > > Actually, it appears that he copied the aileron/hinge assembly from a Fly Baby. The picture in the KR plans is almost exactly the same as the picture in the Fly Baby plans. Coincidence? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 07:48:57 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: insulation Tom Andersen wrote: > > Ditto. > How do you tell if something is too heavy for an airplane? > Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down it's too heavy. > > Seriously, try building with a scale next to you that has graduations down > to the ounce marks. Next time you want to add something, weigh it and > decide if it's worth handicapping your airplane for the rest of it's life > with that part. You'll find that if you add four things that are only > four onces each, that's a pound. Do that a few times, make a few heavier > substitutions in materials, and you have an overweight airplane. Whatever > you add, your wing will have to increase angle of attack a proportional > amount, and that's DRAG, and that's SLOWER. Since I started weighing > everything I'm getting stingy. One thing I noticed is that epoxy is > liquid weight, and the foam absorbs it like a sponge. > -Tom > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > I wouldn't It just adds weight. > > -- Ross > > > > Alan Moat wrote: > > > > > Stupid question from a novice. I am going to put foam between the > > > floor and the outer skin. Should I seal the foam before I close up > > > the floor? I am expanded polystyrene Thank you in advance. Alan Moat > > > Kr-2s (14%) > > > taom@randomc.com What I used worked well for me and added practically no weight. Go down to your local home improvement store and buy some R board used for insulation. I used the 3/4" thick version, cut it to fit snug, and just pressed it into place. No need to glue or glass it. I did the floor and sides from firewall back past the seats. It's good sound insulation as well. This stuff weighs practically nothing. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:16:37 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: cast cranks Tom's right about VW cranks. As far I know, VW NEVER put a cast crank in one of their engines. Only the aftermarket cheapo guys making strokers did that. You can't hardly beat the qualities of the orginal forgings from the VW factory. If somebody knows of a cast crank from the factory I'd like to know, but I've never heard of one in my 30 years of dealing with them. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:28:33 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: Aileron hinge screws I'm not sure what the KR-2 plans call for, but I reworked my aileron hinge attachments on my KR-1after I had occasions (fixing dings, painting, etc.) when I wanted to remove them. I floxed some plate-type lock nuts in place on the front face of the rear spar and used machine screws (all AN stuff of course) to attach the hinge . Ed Janssen for At 11:51 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote: > How about mounting the full length hinge, marking what you want to >cut, removing and trimming it down. No alignment problem hopfully but you >know how it goes! Benny Skyn -----Original Message----- >From: >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 4:40 PM >Subject: Re: KR: Pan Head Screws > >><< I would think >>ever 10 to >> Certainly full >>length >>>> >> >>Mike: >> >> >>Remember the >>full length hinge acts as a gap seal (maybe an expensive one though). > > Maybe Ken Rand just >copied what he found there. > >At any rate, if you use multiple short pieces of hinge, they'd need >careful alignment like the hinges on the elevator. If you're using one >long piece, no alignment problem can arise. > >Mike Taglieri > >------------------------------------------------ > 'Mine goes up to 11' >------------------------------------------------ > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 11:51:04 -0400 From: eugene gargasz Subject: Re: KR: cast cranks The slotted oil hole cranks should be avioded, the round hole cranks on 1595cc enjines prior to 1966 are recomended. I misplaced the part # reomendations,but remember the slots weaken the crank. Mark Langford wrote: > Tom's right about VW cranks. As far I know, VW NEVER put a cast crank in > one of their engines. Only the aftermarket cheapo guys making strokers did > that. You can't hardly beat the qualities of the orginal forgings from the > VW factory. If somebody knows of a cast crank from the factory I'd like to > know, but I've never heard of one in my 30 years of dealing with them. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:17:28 EDT From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: cast cranks Bill here The only time I used a cast crank, it broke after about 50 hrs, after that I only used VW cranks. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 18:33:32 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Toms Site/updated - --------------A905FD9B8494AF346C81F774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Everyone, I've corrected the width problem on my site, made it download in 1/20th of the time, and added some pics of the Kennedy Space Center shuttle runway, which is 15,000 feet long. This is the runway the shuttles land on when returning from a mission. I hope you all enjoy it at: http://home.att.net/~tomkr2s/index.htm. - -Tom Andersen Richard Parker wrote: > > > >I really liked Tom's KR site... I hope to have time to read it all. > > > > > > It sure is the widest site I've looked at in a long time > Richard E. Parker > Jaffrey, NH > richontheroad@hotmail.com > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------A905FD9B8494AF346C81F774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Everyone, I've corrected the width problem on my site, made it download in 1/20th of the time, and added some pics of the Kennedy Space Center shuttle runway, which is 15,000 feet long.  This is the runway the shuttles land on when returning from a mission.  I hope you all enjoy it at: http://home.att.net/~tomkr2s/index.htm.
-Tom Andersen
 

Richard Parker wrote:

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>I really liked Tom's KR site... I hope to have time to read it all.
>

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 It sure is the widest site I've looked at in a long time
Richard E. Parker
Jaffrey, NH
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http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm
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  - --------------A905FD9B8494AF346C81F774-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:56:06 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Re: Arlington Flyin Ross: Are you going to be at arlington saturday? If so lets meet at the picknik table at the little bar b q cantina on the main drag about 10:00 am. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------- Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Tom, > Belive me, no one is sorrier than I about missing Perry last year! > I renewed my medical Monday, and am planning to be at Arlington Next week. > > -- Regards > Ross > -- > Tom Stokes wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:16:47 -0700 Ross Youngblood > > writes: > > >I will be out of town most of the time from now till I get to go to > > >Arlington, > > >I don't know > > >how orginized I will be, but I will be there, and ready to talk KR! > > > > > > -- Ross > > > > I don't know Ross I drove all the way to Perry, OK last year to meet you > > and you didn't show. But one of my kids did have fun bouncing on Bobby > > Muse's wing. > > > > Tom in Reno NV > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:50:01 -0700 From: "Benny Skyn" Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDA6F6.70901BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the advice Dana. Any suggestions on a hub kit for the 1700 = type 4?? Benny Skyn -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 3:09 AM Subject: Re: KR: smokin' VW's? =20 =20 In a message dated 98-07-03 00:05:12 EDT, you write: =20 << Do you Know of anyone building a 1700 type 4??? I have one that = is stock. My question concerns the cam. Is stock advisable??? >> =20 Benny, there my be some other thoughts on "stock" but I don't think = the stock cam will be a factor at all. The stock crank in VW's is where the = problem lies. Cast cranks have a yield strength on 10 times less than the = major, after market, airplane use, 4340 billet forged crank available. If = yours is a stock forged crank, you never know the speed of the manufacturing = process, you could end up having a very good one or a very poor one...........you = just don't know without having it examined. You can certainly fly an = airplane using all stock parts, but there are some very reasonable upgrades = you can do. Check out my engine page at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/kr00005.htm I = recently built up my type 1 1835 to a 2180 using the 82 mm SCAT crank and = force one bearing and hub. I think the fourth picture down is the picture of = the two cranks sitting side by side. =20 Vdub forever!!...........course I haven't flown it yet :-)). =20 Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDA6F6.70901BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the advice Dana. Any = suggestions on a=20 hub kit for the 1700 type 4??
Benny = Skyn
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 KR2616TJ@aol.com <KR2616TJ@aol.com>
To: = krnet-l@teleport.com <krnet-l@teleport.com>
D= ate:=20 Friday, July 03, 1998 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: KR: smokin' = VW's?

In a message dated 98-07-03 00:05:12 EDT, = you=20 write:

<< Do you Know of anyone building a 1700 type = 4??? I=20 have one that is stock.
My question concerns the cam. Is stock=20 advisable??? >>

Benny, there my be some other thoughts = on=20 "stock" but I don't think the stock
cam will be a = factor at=20 all.  The stock crank in VW's is where the = problem
lies.  Cast=20 cranks have a yield strength on 10 times less than the = major,
after=20 market, airplane use, 4340 billet forged crank available.  If = yours is=20 a
stock forged crank, you never know the speed of the = manufacturing=20 process, you
could end up having a very good one or a very poor=20 one...........you just
don't know without having it = examined.  You=20 can certainly fly an airplane
using all stock parts, but there = are some=20 very reasonable upgrades you can do.
Check out my engine page = at
h= ttp://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/kr00005.htm =20 I recently
built up my type 1 1835 to a 2180 using the 82 mm SCAT = crank=20 and force one
bearing and hub.  I think the fourth picture = down is=20 the picture of the two
cranks sitting side by side.

Vdub=20 forever!!...........course I haven't flown it yet :-)).

Dana=20 Overall
Richmond, KY
mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com
http://www.g= eocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/

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