From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 3:44 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #111 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 111 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:00:34 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: N541RY Engine Running Woo Hoo! Adrian Carter wrote: > Congratulations the first fart - dos'nt it feel good to hear that engine > start up for the first time. However, I want to caution you to have a > load on the crank to seat the rings. Just running it without a prop on > is a bad deal. Could cause you problems in the future. Any kind of prop > as long as it fits the hub and clears the ground but, you need a load. > Also, I used a Slick mag and on it my advance was 28 degrees. Certainly > a lot more than Mark was using 7 or 8 degrees. Maybe that's just the > nature of the beast and electrical system. "Good Luck" and give her hell > Ross! Well, I want to time it first without the prop, then I will hang a prop on it toseat the rings. -- Ross > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > I went back out to the airport this evening (6:00-9:00), and checked > > TDC. I also pulled > > all of the plugs to take a look at them. I am priming only the #4 > > cylinder (my VW uses the > > automotive numbering #4 is right front cyl looking forward from the > > cockpit, magneto > > timing has a different firing order... this caused me some > > concern/confusion this afternoon > > until I tracked it down). At any rate, the #4 plug had NO GAP, it > > seemed some bozo must > > have dropped the spark plug and inserted it into the cylinder without > > re-checking the gap. > > > > At that point I was concerned that the cylinder might be hitting the > > plug which caused this, so > > I checked all the other plugs, they were OK. I also checked to insure > > that I am using the correct > > BOSH plug, this was also OK. With all the plugs removed I re-checked #1 > > cylinder TDC, and found > > that my timing was reasonably OK. (I taped a XEROX of the timing wheel > > from the Great Planes > > Engine manual in preperation for timing light usage). > > > > I decided to insure that each cylinder had some fuel in it this time, so > > I put a little fuel in each cylinder > > before re-installing the plugs, and I also put some directly into the > > throat of the Ellison. Then I > > turned on the master and started cranking. After a couple of tries, the > > engine sprang to life, I > > ran it to about 2000-2500 RPM, for about 15 minutes. During this time, > > I attempted to see how well > > I could see the timing marks, but found that my timing light was > > non-functional. I finally had to > > shut down before the 20 minute break in time, as the oil temp began > > climbing beyond 220 degrees. > > > > I didn't have the prop on, nor any engine baffling or cowling, so I'm > > hoping to set the timing, and > > start dressing it up next time. > > > > The EGT and CHT sensors did not appear to be working although I've got > > oil pressure between > > 50 and 75 PSI. I was so excited, I didn't take a good reading of it and > > haven't checked to see > > if this is within norms. "DOH!" > > > > Another thing I was able to check was the radio reception with the > > engine running at 2000 RPM. > > I was looking for noise that was proportional to RPM, but I didn't want > > to change RPM much. At > > any rate, I was able to broadcast and recieved a reply from another > > experimental aircraft approaching > > the field about 5 miles away. Considering half my fuselage was in the > > hangar, this seems to be pretty > > good. So far I don't seem to have too much noise, but I do think I may > > have a slight detectable whine > > which could be cleared up with a small capacitor. I also haven't finish > > running all my ground braids from > > the firewall to the instrument panel. > > > > I recorded the engine sounds, but used a poor quality micro-cassette > > recorder, I don't think I can transfer > > anything audible to the PC tonight, but eventually I will have somthing > > real-audio to put up on my web site. > > > > I'm pumped up!!!!!!! > > -- Regards > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:02:57 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Engine Hoses/Fittings Adrian, Thanks for the tip. I did put a 360 deg 2" circle in both lines just at the engine mount point. But someone suggested that I would be better off running flexible hose to the firewall. I have Aluminum tubing which is supposed to be a bit better than copper for vibiration fatigue. I may stay with what I have. -- Regards Ross Adrian Carter wrote: > And Again, > I used 1/8" copper for both like you have to feedthru AN hardware, but > it is important to put a 360deg. 2"-3" circle in the lines to allow it > to vibrate and provide slack. I did not use any flex except for the > fuel-line with fire sleeve over the fuel-line from the gascolator > mounted on the firewall to the carb. Worked well for over 100hrs. but, > felt that they should be changed with new in case of fatigue however, it > still has not been changed. Good Luck! > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > I am temporarily running 1/8" aluminum line for primer and oil pressure > > from the VW through the firewall. > > I will need to replace this with some flexible hose I believe. I was > > wondering what folks have done as > > far as hose assemblies go. > > > > I talked with a local EAA'er who has found a local fitting outfit which > > can make JIC 37deg flared stanless > > fittings and he has run these from the engine to his engine computer > > sensors. I may check into this. > > > > Just wondering if anyone has PHOTOS etc of there engine hose > > installations that I can take a peek at for > > ideas. > > > > -- Regards > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:03:54 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce Trent, I think you will be much happier with T88. Aerolite is OK, but T88 is a bit more forgiving I think if your edge contact is not as good. -- Regards Ross Trent Flemming wrote: > Hello group, > > I recieved my Spruce the other day from Alpha Aviation in Greenville, TX. > I have a question regarding glue, I bought some T-88, but was wondering > what everybody used for the fuselage. Our East Texas weather has been > running in the Mid 90's to Low 100's (hot) and the humidity has been between > 50% and 80% most of the time. Is T-88 the glue (epoxy) for me or should I > use Aerolite Glue. > > Also is there anyone else on this list that is just getting started on there > KR project. > > Thanks for the help. > Looking forward to meeting some of ya'll and seeing some nice KR's at the > Perry Flyin. > > FYI > > My Name Trent Flemming > Location East Texas (Longview) > Project KR-2S > Percent Completed Just a large dent in the wallet for Spruce. :) > > Thanks again ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:07:31 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce Bob, I used Aeropoxy Structural Adhesive for all my spruce stuff. It has similar properties to T-88, but I think it is a bit cheaper? At any rate it comes in two cure rates FAST (20min) and SLOW (1HR). I used the SLOW when I was in Phoenix. If it gets over 100 deg, it starts to get real thin, and tends to behave more like water like than it does at more normal temperatures. I found that more of it wicked into the wood under hot conditions, and/or it just would run around. This was OK normally, but I was doing the firewall triangle gussets, and would have been better off to wait for a cooler day, or later in the evening to do that portion. Generally speaking, using the SLOW cure rate for hot temperatures worked great for me. I usually mixed only a small 3oz dixie cup worth at a time. (50/50 mix). -- Regards Ross Bob Sauer wrote: > Welcome > I am at Smithville, TX with about the same temps/humidity. Used T-88 very > successfully. I have the boat, spars and tail group completed on my KR2S. > Presently installing hardware for controls. ANYBODY= NEED INFOR ON EPOXY > for high temps and humidity. Any suggestions??? > > Bob > > ---------- > > From: Trent Flemming > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce > > Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 10:58 AM > > > > Hello group, > > > > I recieved my Spruce the other day from Alpha Aviation in Greenville, TX. > > > I have a question regarding glue, I bought some T-88, but was wondering > > what everybody used for the fuselage. Our East Texas weather has been > > running in the Mid 90's to Low 100's (hot) and the humidity has been > between > > 50% and 80% most of the time. Is T-88 the glue (epoxy) for me or should > I > > use Aerolite Glue. > > > > Also is there anyone else on this list that is just getting started on > there > > KR project. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Looking forward to meeting some of ya'll and seeing some nice KR's at the > > Perry Flyin. > > > > FYI > > > > My Name Trent Flemming > > Location East Texas (Longview) > > Project KR-2S > > Percent Completed Just a large dent in the wallet for Spruce. :) > > > > Thanks again > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:21:38 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: Re: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce Purchase the T-88 gun and cartridges also. You can mix small batches easily by hand without using the mixer tubes with these. Get some mixer tubes though they make it easy to apply the plywood. Alan Moat taom@randomc.com - -----Original Message----- From: Trent Flemming To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 12:06 PM Subject: KR: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce >Hello group, > >I recieved my Spruce the other day from Alpha Aviation in Greenville, TX. >I have a question regarding glue, I bought some T-88, but was wondering >what everybody used for the fuselage. Our East Texas weather has been >running in the Mid 90's to Low 100's (hot) and the humidity has been between >50% and 80% most of the time. Is T-88 the glue (epoxy) for me or should I >use Aerolite Glue. > >Also is there anyone else on this list that is just getting started on there >KR project. > >Thanks for the help. >Looking forward to meeting some of ya'll and seeing some nice KR's at the >Perry Flyin. > >FYI > >My Name Trent Flemming >Location East Texas (Longview) >Project KR-2S >Percent Completed Just a large dent in the wallet for Spruce. :) > >Thanks again > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:09 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: when do you? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDAEB0.7245DC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable . Things start to get dirty around the garage. I was thinking the it = might be good to put a coat of epoxy on the boat to keep fingerprints = and such from contaminating the wood as I build. I know I would have to = sand any area where I would have to attach anything later. I would also = mask off or avoid the spar mounting areas and where the firewall will = attach. So, when do you apply epoxy to the interior and exterior of the = fuselage? After you are totally finished building the airplane and are = ready for finishing or as you finish assemblies or what? Thank you. Alan Moat Kr-2s (14%) taom@randomc.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDAEB0.7245DC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Things start to get dirty around the garage.  I = was=20 thinking the it might be good to put a coat of epoxy on the boat to keep = fingerprints and such from contaminating the wood as I build.  I = know I=20 would have to sand any area where I would have to attach anything later. = I would=20 also mask off or avoid  the spar mounting areas and where the = firewall will=20 attach.
 
 So, when do you apply epoxy to the interior = and exterior=20 of the fuselage?  After you are totally finished building the = airplane and=20 are ready for finishing or as you finish assemblies or = what?
 
 
Thank you.
 
Alan Moat
Kr-2s (14%)
taom@randomc.com
= - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDAEB0.7245DC20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:36 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: staples This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDAEB1.59454C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought. Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire. It leaves a nice round hump = in the middle that you can grab easily to remove the staples from the = plywood. Has anyone tried these? Maybe some of the engineer types = could comment on how much pressure would be lost with this kind of = staple compared to a flat staple. It seems to me that most of the = holding force is in the legs of the staple. =20 Alan Moat Kr-2s (10%) taom@randomc.com - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDAEB1.59454C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a thought.
 
Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire.  It = leaves a=20 nice round hump in the middle that you can grab easily to remove the = staples=20 from the plywood.  Has anyone tried these?  Maybe some of the = engineer=20 types could comment on how much pressure would be lost with this kind of = staple=20 compared to a flat staple.  It seems to me that most of the holding = force=20 is in the legs of the staple.  
 
Alan Moat
Kr-2s (10%)
taom@randomc.com
= - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDAEB1.59454C00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:50:23 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine Sound ONLINE Works fine in aol. I ran it without downloading. I am using a compaq 2240 with win 95 (a $799 multimedia PC) Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:52:08 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Count ME In, Purchased the Spruce I am just getting started. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:18:09 PDT From: "Jody Wallace" Subject: [none] Hello Group, Do any of you folks know where I can find info on trailing link landing gear? I've looked high and low with no luck. Also, concerning fuel tank placement...Tony B. has some really good thoughts on the matter in Sportsplane Construction Techniques. What a great book! JW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:31:53 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: July "Get-together" Anybody flying into Nashville at 2:00 or 3:00 Friday the 24th? Mark Lougheed is flying in from Seattle and will need a ride from the airport to Columbia, about an hour long trip at most. He'd like to bum a ride with somebody. Anybody else arriving at Nashville at about the same time? Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:49 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: landing gear > Do any of you folks know where I can find info on trailing link landing > gear? I've looked high and low with no luck. L.Pazmany wrote an entire book on the subject, available from Aircraft Spruce named "Landing Gear Design for Light Aircraft", cat number 13-14000 for $35.00. That should satisfy your curisosity... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:24:22 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: KR: Re: My little VW. - -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 5:11 PM Subject: KR: My little VW. >Sorry, I don't have a big dog (just a 2180) so I guess I better stay on the >porch :-)). I've had pictures of my "new" engine for a while but haven't >posted them yet, but here they are Ouch! Nice pictures. Should put most VW manuals to shame. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:23:32 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: KR-1 Project for sale From Rec.Aviation.Marketplace Single place wood and composite project approximately 70% finished with everything included to complete except paint! Details and pictures are on-line at "www.capital.net/~rel" If interested e-mail Ray at "rel@capital.net" for phone #, more info., etc. Best offer takes all. Serious inquiries please. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:38:40 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: KR: I'm Back http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml Email to cary@storm.ca or aa192@debbs.ndhq.dnd.ca Been doing lots of work type work and none on the KR until about a month ago. The saga of the KR restoration continues. The prop was mounted and run up. No full static test yet, but the tail comes up at about 2500 rpm. Quickly! Pays to have the wings attached I think. Speaking of wings, the left wing is being operated on at the moment. New skin to the aileron, plus new spruce for the fittings. Dry rot results when you leave the wings unattached and in the snow like the previous owner did. I was hoping for some pix, but the boss took the digital camera home one day and not seen since. Taxi tests, sans wings, and it looks like I have to re-jig the brake pads, or extend the tendons on my ankles a wee bit. On the first stop, I felt like a ballet dancer on his toes. Once I got used to it, it was ok. The brakes hold to 2500 rpm, at which time I begin to see the horizon over the cowl. Blind as a bat when on 3 point stance. Must make for some interesting landings. S turns on the taxiway to avoid hitting anything. Engine smooth as silk once leaned a bit. All temps acceptable considering I am not going too fast. Prop wash prevents the cowl from smoking where the exhaust gets close. The tuned pipes make for a quieter roar from the Rev. My scanner is finally working and I found the documents on the POSA carb so I will be soon sending material out to those who asked for it. (Yes. I remember who that was). I forget who wanted the carb itself. Bought another Meg for my web site, so once I get the camera back, I will send up more material. My site ain't fancy. Never will be. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:53:05 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: KR: Crash-Thud! Nope. Not me yet....however.. Sunday at Rockliffe (Ottawa) airport gave the hanger battalion a beautiful lesson in crosswind landings. Or at least how not to do them. Or rather how not to build your landing gear. A local homebuilt low-wing tricycle of a type best left unnamed was coming in for a landing on 27 with a moderate crosswing at about 20-30 knots from 360 degrees. The pilot, crabbing for all he was worth, made it to the runway, lined up about 30 degrees to the actual runway. On touchdown, his left gear buckled, then his nose the right gear snapped under. Damage to the prop was minor, left wing scuffed, but the gear was toast. A local EAA type told me the left and right gear were held in place with 2 each AN-3 bolts. Total of 4 for the lot. I forget what mine are, but I know there are 12 or them. Ruined his day. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:59:35 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Crash-Thud! The pilot, crabbing for all he was worth, made it to the >runway, lined up about 30 degrees to the actual runway. >Ruined his day. > >- Cary - Wonder why he didn't touch down on the upwind gear and keep the plane aligned with the runway with rudder? Too much wind for that approach? Sounds like they thought they were landing in an Ercoupe for a moment. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:27:16 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: staples - --------------DB1CA1EAB4BC20D1E06CDA1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW what length of staples are suggested. too lazy to look John Alan Moat wrote: > Just a thought. Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire. It leaves > a nice round hump in the middle that you can grab easily to remove the > staples from the plywood. Has anyone tried these? Maybe some of the > engineer types could comment on how much pressure would be lost with > this kind of staple compared to a flat staple. It seems to me that > most of the holding force is in the legs of the staple. Alan Moat > Kr-2s (10%) > taom@randomc.com - --------------DB1CA1EAB4BC20D1E06CDA1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW what length of staples are suggested.  too lazy to look

John
 

Alan Moat wrote:

 Just a thought. Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire.  It leaves a nice round hump in the middle that you can grab easily to remove the staples from the plywood.  Has anyone tried these?  Maybe some of the engineer types could comment on how much pressure would be lost with this kind of staple compared to a flat staple.  It seems to me that most of the holding force is in the legs of the staple. Alan Moat
Kr-2s (10%)
taom@randomc.com
  - --------------DB1CA1EAB4BC20D1E06CDA1B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 02:25:17 +0100 From: SERCOMTEL Subject: Re: KR: Alternate web site Micheal Mims escreveu: > I am setting up a mirror site at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/index.html > > This because Pacbell pulls the plug now and then. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:45:40 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Front Deck Questions Austin Clark wrote: > > I got a pretty good start on my front deck this weekend and would like some > input on it's construction. I plan to make it removeable using the piano > hinge technique. What are some thoughts on the fuel tank being a seperate > assembly vs an integral part. Does someone have a photo on their web page > showing detail of how it mounts to the firewall. I have thought about > making a double flange, one on the inside of the firewall for the deck and > one on the outside for the cowling. Appreciate any comments. > > Austin Clark > Pascagoula, MS > > Austin, I sent out pictures of how I did it to someone to scan, but I cant recall who I sent them to. Can someone refresh my memory? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:12:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: staples This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BDA96E.2B8D7730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >BTW what length of staples are suggested. 5/16" "Arrow" stapled over safety wire is the best I've heard, although nylon string worked for me. I wouldn't lose any sleep over the humps either. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford - ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BDA96E.2B8D7730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
>BTW what length of staples are=20 suggested. 
 
5/16" "Arrow" stapled over safety wire is the = best I've=20 heard, although nylon string worked for me.  I wouldn't lose any = sleep over=20 the humps either.

Mark Langford =
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BDA96E.2B8D7730-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:14:13 EDT From: KenikaS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: starting a new engine Mike, The proceedure is similar for either Cont. or Lyc. with the Lyc. usually being a little easier, at least to find TDC and advance marks. On most Lycs. the marks are located on the crank flange. The marks are lined up with the top crankcase parting surface. There are also marks on the starter ring gear that line up with a small hole on the starter drive housing. You just need to bring #1 to TDC then rotate crank backwards to just beyond the mark for your engines advance ( stamped on engine data plate ). Then adjust (rotate mag housing) mag so points just open at that point. The Conts have thier marks in various places, most older ones have the marks on the generator/alternator drive pulley with a little pointer. Newer engines have the marks on the crankshaft and you have to pull a plug out of the crankcase either on the left front of the engine or just to the left of the crankcase spine between the rear cylinders. Once you find the marks they time the same as the Lycs. I hope you can make sense of this, I really had to think about it to try and describe it to someone else. I do it so often its almost automatic. If you need clarification on anything let me know. Dennis Steed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:36:38 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Engine forum at Perrykosh Hello, Netters Regarding the engine forum proposed for Perry Gathering in September, I had promised EagleGator that I would try to get Don Parham of RFI to be one of the presenters on Subaru conversions. I had faxed him some info a couple months ago and not heard anything, so called him on Monday. He has had medical problems over the last few months, been in and out of the hospital 5 times, but said he would try to make it for Saturday of the Gathering. I am to call him again around Labor Day to see if it's going to work. He is very close to Perry, and would probably be flying over in his gyro, which is powered with a Soob conversion, of course. He says that he had a guy who was doing his firewall-forward packages for the KR-2S, but the guy flaked and he's trying to line up somebody else. He has a mount and all the accessories worked out, it's a 130 HP (claimed) Legacy conversion. Also has the 1.8L and others available. He claims over 400 of his conversions out there, mostly in gyros. He's very excited about the Altimizer carb, and couldn't stop talking about it. Claims it increased the static RPM about 700 RPM from 3150 to 36 or 3700 RPM, and 400-500 RPM on a direct drive conversion. However, the developmental work being done was cut short not long ago when he lost one of his partners (guy was horsing around flying the gyro low between some hangars, and clipped a corner of a hangar). Don't do it, guys. So anyway, we may get Don to speak and to have a conversion on-hand, even if it is in a gyro. I will follow up on it, but it will likely be one of those last-minute things due to Don's health and his other committments to deliver work to customers. It's a mom/pop operation. I expect there will be a healthy forum on The New Wing, right...? Steve Eberhart will have the wind tunnel prototype wing there, autographed by Bill Clinton ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:50:04 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: Request for Xpresso article Would one generous KRNetter scan the Feb 96 Sport Aviation article on Xpresso, the direct-drive turbo soob EA-81 powered Dragonfly, and e-mail it to me? I seem to have misplaced that one issue and I really need that article since it details that engine conversion. I would greatly appreciate it. - -Tom Andersen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:15:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Engine forum at Perrykosh On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Hello, Netters > > Regarding the engine forum proposed for Perry Gathering in September, I > had promised EagleGator that I would try to get Don Parham of RFI to be > one of the presenters on Subaru conversions. I had faxed him some info > a couple months ago and not heard anything, so called him on Monday. He > has had medical problems over the last few months, been in and out of > the hospital 5 times, but said he would try to make it for Saturday of > the Gathering. I am to call him again around Labor Day to see if it's > going to work. [snip] I will have one of the wind tunnel wings there and will be conducting a forum on how to approach modifications and the safety implications of changes. THe new wing project will be used as an example. Sorry, we weren't able to get Bill to autograph the wing, the wing was built in the USA not China, but will one of the world renowned low Reynolds number airfoil designers do. I will get AShok and Dr. Selig to sign the wing on one of my trips through Champaign/Urbana, Illiois. Will also have the names of all of the contributors engraved on the wing. Hopefully Troy will have his KR-2 with the new wing flying before the Gathering and will be able to have it there for all to see. > > I expect there will be a healthy forum on The New Wing, right...? Steve > Eberhart will have the wind tunnel prototype wing there, autographed by > Bill Clinton ;o) Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:30:18 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Crash-Thud! Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Robert Covington > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Crash-Thud! > Date: July 7, 1998 1:59 AM > > Wonder why he didn't touch down on the upwind gear and keep the plane > aligned with the runway with rudder? Too much wind for that approach? > Sounds like they thought they were landing in an Ercoupe for a moment. ;) > > Robert Covington > Just speculation on my part as I didn't actually see the incident, however it could be that he was trying to avoid scraping the right wingtip by flying 1-wing-low. The craft was pretty close to the ground to begin with. Could also have been a sudden gust. I think he might have been beyond his cross-wind limitations. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:28:23 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: staples This new staple sounds good. In my case I spent a few days pulling staples with vise grips and a screwdriver. String/wire did not work and my staples HELD. I expect that if I had used shorter staples they may have been easier to remove, but at least I know I had adequate pressure on my spar webs. It was good therapy for me to pull staples... mindless tedious work. Much more fun than sanding. -- Regards Ross Alan Moat wrote: > Just a thought. Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire. It leaves > a nice round hump in the middle that you can grab easily to remove the > staples from the plywood. Has anyone tried these? Maybe some of the > engineer types could comment on how much pressure would be lost with > this kind of staple compared to a flat staple. It seems to me that > most of the holding force is in the legs of the staple. Alan Moat > Kr-2s (10%) > taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:28:26 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: when do you? Alan, I wouldn't epoxy or varnish anything until I was done and ready to close. You never know where you might want to attach a mounting block ETC, and then you would have to sand down to bare wook (in the case of varnish). I don't know if I would trust an epoxy to epoxy joint, I imagine they are good, but an epoxy to wood joint will probably have more strength. Fingerprints contaminating the wood? I think epoxy would bond into the wood joint over a fingerprint, and be stronger than the same joint, if it was previously coated with epoxy. - Regards Ross Alan Moat wrote: > .Things start to get dirty around the garage. I was thinking the it > might be good to put a coat of epoxy on the boat to keep fingerprints > and such from contaminating the wood as I build. I know I would have > to sand any area where I would have to attach anything later. I would > also mask off or avoid the spar mounting areas and where the firewall > will attach. So, when do you apply epoxy to the interior and exterior > of the fuselage? After you are totally finished building the airplane > and are ready for finishing or as you finish assemblies or > what? Thank you. Alan Moat > Kr-2s (14%) > taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:10:31 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: when do you? Ross Youngblood wrote: > Fingerprints contaminating the wood? I think epoxy would bond into > the wood joint > over a fingerprint, and be stronger than the same joint, if it was > previously coated with > epoxy. FYI, I used an electric palm sander with very light sand paper and hit all the interior surfaces before I painted on a coat of epoxy. This to remove any oil and sweat from my hands. I also thinned the epoxy with alcohol and it worked GREAT! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:27:58 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: interesting info Go to: http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/homebuilt_court_decision.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:21:18 -0500 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: KR: RE: July "Get-together" Car Pooling would be a good thing. I live in Nashville, about five minutes from the airport. I think that maybe I can work something out. And to whom it may concern, I'll be attending the "get together" with a friend. So if anyone is making a head count. I was also wondering, how many completed KR's will be there. Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:32 PM > To: krnet > Subject: KR: July "Get-together" > > Anybody flying into Nashville at 2:00 or 3:00 Friday the 24th? Mark > Lougheed is flying in from Seattle and will need a ride from the airport > to > Columbia, about an hour long trip at most. He'd like to bum a ride with > somebody. Anybody else arriving at Nashville at about the same time? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 18:33:10 -0400 From: Harold P Subject: Re: KR: Crash-Thud! Yes, I was flying over and heard Ottawa Terminal say that Rockcliffe was closed. Harold CGKAV KR-2 Montreal cary wrote: > Sunday at Rockliffe (Ottawa) airport .... > > A local homebuilt low-wing tricycle.... > > Ruined his day. > > - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:04:24 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: Re: KR: staples This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BDAF62.9953BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use 3/8 " on my plane. I havenot tried the wire staples im almost = finished stapeling anyway. thought someone else might benefit. Alan M. - -----Original Message----- From: John F. Esch To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 1:26 AM Subject: Re: KR: staples =20 =20 BTW what length of staples are suggested. too lazy to look=20 John=20 =20 =20 Alan Moat wrote:=20 =20 Just a thought. Arrow makes a stapler for stapeling wire. It = leaves a nice round hump in the middle that you can grab easily to = remove the staples from the plywood. Has anyone tried these? Maybe = some of the engineer types could comment on how much pressure would be = lost with this kind of staple compared to a flat staple. It seems to me = that most of the holding force is in the legs of the staple. Alan Moat=20 Kr-2s (10%)=20 taom@randomc.com =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BDAF62.9953BE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use 3/8 " on my plane.  = I havenot=20 tried the wire staples im almost finished stapeling anyway.  = thought=20 someone else might benefit.
 
Alan M.
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BTW what length of staples are = suggested. =20 too lazy to look=20

John
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Alan Moat wrote:=20

 Just a=20 thought. Arrow makes a = stapler for=20 stapeling wire.  It leaves a nice round hump in the middle = that you=20 can grab easily to remove the staples from the plywood.  = Has anyone=20 tried these?  Maybe some of the engineer types could = comment on how=20 much pressure would be lost with this kind of staple compared to = a flat=20 staple.  It seems to me that most of the holding force is = in the=20 legs of the staple. Alan=20 Moat
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