From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, July 19, 1998 5:35 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #123 krnet-l-digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 123 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:37:47 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Vertex Magnetos I've seen Teenie Two's with them sticking out the cowling and it does look ugly. They're probably too tall to fit even on the turned-around VW's inside a KR cowl. They're too tall for my direct drive subaru install, but they'd probably fit on a PSRU-equipped engine because there's more vertical height behind the PSRU, especially the belt-driven models. Ed Janssen wrote: > Mike, > > No mystery - Two methods I've seen are -You either build in a big ol' ugly > lookin' bump in the cowling over the Verrtex or cut a hole and let it hang > out in the breeze. :0) > > Ed Janssen > > >I guess using a Vertex in front and a Slick in back would be a good way > >to get traditional spamcan-style dual magneto ignition without having to > >make any one-off fabrications. How this unit could fit under a KR > >cowling is still a mystery, however. Is anyone here using it? > > > >Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:19:18 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Perry OK Gathering I will be driving from Abilene (Texas) to Perry on Friday, September 18th. ETA OKC is 12:30 noon plus or minus some. I plan to return Sunday morning. ETA OKC on return is still negotiable. For anyone planning to fly in, I will be glad to pick up at and return to the OKC Will Rogers airport. I have a station wagon so I can accomodate the first three (3), maybe even four (4), who indicate they want a ride. If interested, let me know off the net at: ejrem@worldnet.att.net Bob Maniss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:22:52 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: strakes At 10:44 PM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote: I'm finishing a >standard KR2 tri-gear project that has a 14" stretch to the tail. I'm still >considering the benefit of strakes since my standard sized horiz. stab is >glued in place. I think the combination will provide added pitch stability >without a great drag penalty. Thoughts? >Keep the tech data coming! > > Ron Rheude > srheude@erols.com > > Ever since you guys have been talking about 'Strakes', I have never been sure what you all are talking about. Where are there any pictures? Bobby Muse(N122B) mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:22:54 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Broken control horns At 07:12 PM 7/15/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:46 PM 7/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Plans show a bolt being used through the attach hole which can cause >bending loads on th ehorn. I have seen (both on MM and ML planes) a shackle >which is probably a better way to go. >> >>Haris >> > >I didn't feel good with the bolt and cable eye setup, like you said it just >looks like it would apply too much side load. I wanted a nice straight >pull. I have used the cable shackles on every horn and or lever. They cost >a little more but I think they are worth it. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims Me too! Bobby Muse(N122B) mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:12:48 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Landing gear from automotive leaf spring steel Michael Taglieri wrote: > > > I am attempting to design and build a landing gear from a automotive > > leaf spring. I think it will be a low cost light weight alternative to > > the big $$ options out there. > > > > A piece of steel 5/16" x 2.5" x 21" is set near vertically and attached > > to the main spar at the caps. The axel consists of a 3/4" grade 8 bolt > > locked on to the leaf with a nut on both sides of the leaf. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > |attach attach 3/4" axel > > bolt | > > |o o o o > > O | > > > |_________________________________________________________________________| > > > > The distance from the leaf to the center of the tire is about 3" which > > creates a 3" lever arm that bends the leaf. If a camber angle is set > > between 7.5 to 15 degrees so that the attach is centered nearly over > the > > center of the tire, I calculate this set up will easily carry a 4 G > > landing at gross weight and is several pounds lighter than the design > > given in the manual. > I just read this post from last November (I'm a bit behind on my > list-reading. . . .) and I wondered how it turned out. > > The original question being asked here was how to drill holes in this > kind of steel and there were several useful answers, so I'm assuming > whoever was making the gear is done by now, or at least fairly well > along. > > As far as I know, certified plane always use steel for the gear legs, so > I'm assuming it is more rugged if done right. I was wondering if this > steel gear turned out to be reasonable in weight light compared to the > Diehl fixed gear, and whether it was attractive-looking on the plane. > I'm also wondering what automotive leaf-spring turned out to be right for > the job. > > Mike Taglieri > > ------------------------------------------------ > 'Mine goes up to 11' > ------------------------------------------------ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] To drill the holes in spring steel use a cobalt or carbide drill with plenty of coolant preferably submerged. Once you start drilling keep a constant pressure on the drill or remove it from the work piece. If it does not have enough pressure and skipps on the workpiece it will work harden the piece being drilled and burn up the drill. once work hardened you may never get a hole thru it. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:17:04 EDT From: Ezav8r@aol.com Subject: KR: KR-1 builders? I'd like to talk to a couple KR-1 builders about their birds and mods they may have made. Are there any of you out there? Does anyone have a set of the original retracts laying around gathering dust? Any other machine parts? TIA, Tyson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:55:13 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: strakes Strakes would be a triangular shaped panel that would go between the leading edge of the horizontal stab to a point a bit farther forward on the fuselage. It's a way to increase the size of the horizontal stab without widening or lengthening it except for the inboard portion. A good example of strakes is the inboard front area of a Vari-Eze wing. They have strakes between the front of the wing and the fuselage and usually have the fuel tanks located in them. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:22:52 -0500 Bobby Muse writes: >At 10:44 PM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote: > I'm finishing a >>standard KR2 tri-gear project that has a 14" stretch to the tail. >I'm still >>considering the benefit of strakes since my standard sized horiz. >stab is >>glued in place. I think the combination will provide added pitch >stability >>without a great drag penalty. Thoughts? > >>Keep the tech data coming! >> >> Ron Rheude >> srheude@erols.com >> >> >Ever since you guys have been talking about 'Strakes', I have never >been >sure what you all are talking about. Where are there any pictures? > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:13:15 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel. Maybe I tend to overbuild, but I thought the spring from AS&S was kind of wimpy once I got it on the plane an bounced the tail around a bit. I made a second leaf to stiffen it some. I think there is a picture of it on the first web site listed in my signature. After flying it for the last year, the single leaf probably would have been just fine, but I think I'll leave the extra leaf in there just the same. The tail spring failures I have seen (experienced) are usually in the area of the shackle where it meets with the back of the fuselage as that is where the fulcrum is that the spring is bending against. As you mentioned, you also want the spring mounted in such a fashion that it won't be able to torque or twist side to side as that will cause some very strange things to happen to your tailwheel steering when you most need it. Been there, done that, built this plane so it won't. :o) I really like having the full swivel tailwheel for ground handling. If anything I found this tailwheel tends to oversteer, so I have fairly mild extension springs with the pull chains hanging pretty loose. The tailwheel steering is still very effective. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:17:31 EDT KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > >My thoughts were to use the bolt hole already in the end of the spring and do >something like Jeff said, let two bolts coming out of a backplate in the fush. >control the side to side torque. Jeff, being that this spring is somewhat >stout, I had initially thought that another hole drilled into the spring back >near the end of the plane might work. My thought on this was that any >springing action would occur from the bend rearward and that the portion >attached flat on the bottom of the plane would not incur any real pressure >anyway. Heck, this spring is stout enough I believe the bottom of the plane >my decide to depart it's surroundings before the spring broke. >Once again I believe this is the real deal, locking tailwheel with full >castering breakaway. Heck, it's looking more like a real plane >everyday. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:28:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel. At 11:13 PM 7/17/98 -0600, you wrote: Hey dude there is a forward slash missing Right \/ there >http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & >http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > In your signature. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 05:31:37 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: Re: KR: Video of gathering Hi Bob Please don't forget to do a copy of the forum for me on the PAL version as last time if it is possible. I would really like to have a copy. Many Thanks - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com KR 2 ZS-VCM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:41:15 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: KR: For Juno Users Only -- Not List Related I recently changed from AOL to Juno and discovered something rather neat if you're on mailing-lists. Unlike AOL and perhaps other servers, Juno saves your e-mail in ordinary ASCII text that you can read and edit with a word-processor. Also, "Inbox," "Sent," and any other folders you set up are denoted (in DOS) as ".FRM" files. What I've started doing with this is that if I want to save a post as ASCII text (which is how I save anything I want to keep), instead of using Juno to do it, I can just move it to a Juno folders then later search, combine, edit, etc., the posts on the far more sophisticated word-processing software. I still use and love WordPerfect 5.1, but almost any word-processor can edit and save text in ASCII. After saving the posts I want I can delete the rest of the folder, and if I remember to save it in ASCII, Juno can continue to work with it. Another good thing about this is any online program can get corrupted (Microsoft's disk-fixing software once ruined my copy of Juno during disk defragmentation), and you will have to reinstall it, but the new copy won't be able to read any of the e-mail in the old copy. However, even if an old copy of Juno is inoperable, you can open the folders with a word-processor and copy the e-mail to ASCII. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:12:05 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel. >At 11:13 PM 7/17/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Hey dude there is a forward slash missing > > Right \/ there >>http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & >>http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >> > >In your signature. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims The "right there" is over the kjefs.html in my mailer, Vern. You mean after home.hiwaay.net/ Vern.Vern. :) Shoulda mailed it right to him, eh. Oh well, going to be light reading over the weekend anyway. KR Net gets real slow. Still no excuse, I thrash you for it. And I also forbid you to make any more changes on your KR. I know you will listen. :) Happy Perry people drink Perry "Yea!". Robert Covington Too Hot To Glue, Hangar Hotboxes, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:25:19 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: KR: radio advice needed I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for $250 (?). Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. Bob Lasecki Chicago and scrambling. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:47:33 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed Bob, I know of people using all but the Delcom radio with no complaints from any of them. I can recommend the Terra TPX 720 but also have no rocks to throw at any of the others. I have owned two of the TerraTPX720 handhelds. I never used the 10 AA batteries in either case, but run from aircraft power instead. In the KR, my Terra is mounted into the panel with the top of the head sticking through so I have access to the controls and it takes up very little panel space. Eventually I hope to replace it with the Terra Com/Xponder package. . Everyone tells me my radio sounds good and since I finally got a filter on the power it sounds good at my end as well. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:25:19 EDT Kr2dream@aol.com writes: >I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of >ICOM, Narco, King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a >Delcom unit for $250 (?). > >Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I >wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to >exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show >credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at >Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have >pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. > >Bob Lasecki >Chicago and scrambling. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:23:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed At 10:25 AM 7/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I wouldn't regret later? >>>> A buddy and I both have a King KX99. Both radios started life as backups to panel mounts but soon became the primary radios because they are much, much better in both the reception and broadcast modes (when connected to the external antenna). I plan to use my KX99 (which I bought used for $200) as my only radio in my project. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:39:59 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? I'll sell you a complete aircraft (torn down to the boat) for $1000.00, engine and all in south Ga. I had to go ultralight due to medical problems. See kr-1 fuse at http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:59:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? At 12:39 PM 7/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'll sell you a complete aircraft (torn down to the boat) for $1000.00, >engine and all in south Ga. I had to go ultralight due to medical >problems. See kr-1 fuse at http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > Darrin did you consider making a KR1B? I have heard you don't need a medical for a motor glider, is that true? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:30:58 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed Bob No experience with them but Sporty's has one for $395.00 that looks good. It used to be in the $500 range but had a price reduction a few months ago. Tom in Reno NV I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for $250 (?). Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. Bob Lasecki Chicago and scrambling. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:38:30 -0400 From: Bob Kash Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed Dear Bob, I bought two Delcon radios in 1992. I needed two because I fly balloons and the chase truck needed one also. Anyway, both of the radios work great and have been used in my Mini-Max since 1994. I have no idea how many times they have been recharged but the original batteries are in both. I installed an external antenna but removed it and rely on the "whip". Range is as good as anyone else's in my club. The only drawback is that the freqs.have to be changed manually, not dig. and no presets (weather, often used freqs.,etc.). Bob Kash Kr2dream@aol.com wrote: > I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, > King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for > $250 (?). > > Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I > wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to > exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show > credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at > Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have > pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. > > Bob Lasecki > Chicago and scrambling. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:28:54 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: KR: Re: radio advice needed I'm using a borrowed ICom after I had a comm failure in my 172. I'm gonna buy one of 'em. I've had lots of experience with ICom Amateur Radio gear and have had no trouble at all with any of it. - - Cary - - -----Original Message----- From: Kr2dream@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:26 AM Subject: KR: radio advice needed >I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, >King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for >$250 (?). > >Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I >wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to >exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show >credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at >Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have >pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. > >Bob Lasecki >Chicago and scrambling. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:27:46 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed In a message dated 98-07-18 10:26:27 EDT, you write: << I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for $250 (?). >> Bob, I don't know what you are looking for in a hand held but I bought the new Icom IC-A4 at Sun & Fun for $249.00. It comes with a rechargable battery but they also have a nicad pack you can put on it also. It will run also off the cig. lighter. It is a real small unit but so far everyone I've talked too says that it is clear as a bell and I know that it receives extremely well. Tom Crawford also bought one at S&F so you may check with him also. The only drawback to this unit is it does not have a key pad to punch in the freq., you have to push an up/down arrow to change freqs, but it is easy to do just not as fast and the pad. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:30:39 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Columbia "Get-together" KRNetHeads, Troy Petteway just called to talk about the "East Coast Gathering" next Friday. Good thing he did, since I was thinking it was in two weeks, not one! Raider Aviation has arranged for a local civic group to come out and cook breakfast Saturday morning, and the FBO will do dinner Saturday night for donations. Troy said the keg-o-beer was arranged for. I figure we'll pass the hat around for that one too. There will be a couple of AirBikes attending also. Base of operations (that would be "primary standing around place") will be Troy's employer's hangar. It's easily discernable by the KingAir, Rolls Royces (don't touch!), Troy's ancient Formula One racer, etc... He's not confident that he'll have his airplane there (it's still upside-down at home getting stub wings sanded) so it'll be up to the KR pilots to provide conversation fodder. And us forlorn wannabes will have to bring some pictures, artifacts, and builder's albums to talk over. Sounds like the earliest anybody plans to be there is after lunch on Friday. I'll be there mid afternoon. Who's bringing the stick and elevator horn mock-up? See ya'll then. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:59:08 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:59:14 -0700 Micheal Mims writes: >At 12:39 PM 7/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >>I'll sell you a complete aircraft (torn down to the boat) for >$1000.00, >>engine and all in south Ga. I had to go ultralight due to medical >>problems. See kr-1 fuse at http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ >> > >Darrin did you consider making a KR1B? I have heard you don't need a >medical for a motor glider, is that true? >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims Mike is correct in that you do not need a current medical to fly a motorglider, just a glider ticket added onto your license. That's easy. If you have a power license, you need to do some training, then pass an oral and flying test. No written test as the glider rating is considered by the FAA as a lower rating then a powered rating. As best I understand it, the KR-1B motorglider is the same as a KR-1 with a longer set of wings. I don't believe the spar carrythrough needs to be beefed up or anything. If it is licensed as a motorglider, then you won't need the medical. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:19:18 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? Mike, Jeff, You really have a great idea there for Darrin. I wasn't aware of this provision. If I lost my medical, I can tell you that I'd have the fastest darn motorglider around. Darrin, Go for the motorglider! It's ten times better than the ultralight. What's the cruise speed on a KR-1B? About 120mph or so? You can still do your KR project! Just make the longer wings, everthing else stays the same. In fact, the KR-1B can be converted to a KR-1 if you regain your medical. - -Tom Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:59:14 -0700 Micheal Mims > writes: > >At 12:39 PM 7/18/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>I'll sell you a complete aircraft (torn down to the boat) for > >$1000.00, > >>engine and all in south Ga. I had to go ultralight due to medical > >>problems. See kr-1 fuse at http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > >> > > > >Darrin did you consider making a KR1B? I have heard you don't need a > >medical for a motor glider, is that true? > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >Micheal Mims > > Mike is correct in that you do not need a current medical to fly a > motorglider, just a glider ticket added onto your license. That's easy. > If you have a power license, you need to do some training, then pass an > oral and flying test. No written test as the glider rating is considered > by the FAA as a lower rating then a powered rating. > > As best I understand it, the KR-1B motorglider is the same as a KR-1 with > a longer set of wings. I don't believe the spar carrythrough needs to be > beefed up or anything. If it is licensed as a motorglider, then you > won't need the medical. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:25:42 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Re: radio advice needed cary wrote: > > I'm using a borrowed ICom after I had a comm failure in my 172. I'm gonna > buy one of 'em. I've had lots of experience with ICom Amateur Radio gear and > have had no trouble at all with any of it. > > - Cary - > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kr2dream@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:26 AM > Subject: KR: radio advice needed > > >I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, > Narco, > >King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit > for > >$250 (?). > > > >Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I > >wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to > >exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show > >credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at > >Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll > have > >pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. > > > >Bob Lasecki > >Chicago and scrambling. > > I used a Icom in my Sonerai for 4 years and really liked it. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:26:16 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed Kr2dream@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of ICOM, Narco, > King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 and a Delcom unit for > $250 (?). > > Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a decision I > wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the company ready to > exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering (I have to pick up show > credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you at > Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say HI. I'll have > pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to show. > > Bob Lasecki > Chicago and scrambling. Bob, I got a real deal on an IC-A4 at Sun and Fun, and really like it. I think it was around $250, and he threw in some accessories for free. I plan to fly to Oshkosh from Columbia, so I can show it to you there. You know where I'll be. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:13:26 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Columbia "Get-together" In a message dated 98-07-18 21:33:19 EDT, you write: << und for that one too. There will be a couple of AirBikes attending also. Base of operations (that would be "primary standing around place") will be Troy's employer's hangar. >> We still have have commitments from KR flyers to be there although Jim Faughn e-mailed me a couple of weeks ago and said that he is doing some minor mods to his plane and due to that, and work, he has had to cancel his plans for attending. He still said it could be a last minute thing if in fact he could get away. My partner in my 172 is using the airplane this week and may not get back in time for me to check out of here Friday. If I have to drive, I'll haul my engine down and and maybe a some other "junk". I have made arrangements with Poly Fiber for them to send me some free Smooth Prime, Super Fil and Silver Shield (UV protectant) for a demonstration and forum at Perry. I know we did not want to organize to the point of major forums at Columbia, but I'll bring a couple of pieces of lay ups with different stages of Smooth Prime (along with some of the stuff) and "goobs" of Super Fil (he wanted to send me a 3 gallon lot) for people to sand on. Not a big formal thing but something for you to get you hands into. Looking forward to "standing around". I've contacted Medody Mountains, she doesn't know when she will be there. I was told to just tell everyone to keep their eye's peeled that it was her birthday and she would be wearing a suit..............or something like that, I may have misunderstood :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:12:51 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: strakes At 09:55 PM 7/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >Strakes would be a triangular shaped panel that would go between the >leading edge of the horizontal stab to a point a bit farther forward on >the fuselage. It's a way to increase the size of the horizontal stab >without widening or lengthening it except for the inboard portion. > >Jeff >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM Thanks Jeff, I guess I was confused because netters were talking as if they were going to adjust the trim using strakes. I thought that they must be adjustable. Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:28:23 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: KR: KR-1B Has anyone out there had any experience with the B option? Do I recall someone having the plans for sale? I just may continue on with my KR-1 in light of this new information concerning the medical. Thanks to all for the support. I may have the only KR-1B around? Wow! Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:48:51 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: KR-1B > Has anyone out there had any experience with the B option? Do I > recall someone having the plans for sale? I just may continue on with > my KR-1 in light of this new information concerning the medical. > Thanks to all for the support. > I may have the only KR-1B around? Wow! Darrin, You might want to call Jeannette and ask, but I think you'd have the only KR-1B anywhere. As far as I know, the prototype may have been the only one ever completed, and I think it was just a converted KR-1, but I'm not sure about that. I DO know RR will sell you a set of plans for one just the same. It does sound like a simple way around a medical. I wonder what the FAA's definition of a "motorglider" is? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:52:32 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: KR-1B At 02:48 PM 7/19/98 -0500, you wrote: As far as I know, the prototype may have been the only one ever completed, and I think it was just a converted KR-1, but I'm not sure >about that. >>>> The original KR1B wings are hanging in her shop I think. At least the ones in the are sure long! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:04:03 -0600 From: Mortensen Subject: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s Just standing around doing some hangar flying at my gliding club and was discussing my plans to build a kr2s with a fellow who flys his own all-wood glider. He raised the question of what the kr2s glides like. Since I fully expect to have to glide my plane in at one time or another (Yes, I also believe that everyone flying retracts will bellyflop sooner or later), I was hoping some of you who are no longer dreaming, but are actually flying could talk about this. To be absolutely clear on what I am asking, how does the kr2s fly with a dead engine? Henning Mortensen Kr2s dreamer, In the gotta build a garage stage. ps. Other then Adrian Carter, any other builders in western Canada? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:29:32 -0400 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-1B Darrin... I haven't ever seen a KR1B but might have the main spars for one. I purchased two projects and ended up with one wing and two sets of spars. One is at least 2 1/2 feel longer than the other sets which are the "correct" length. If you find any description of length and differences between KR 2 and KR 1B spars let me know. We can work something out easily. I live in Atlanta. Ron DeWees On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:28:23 -0700 Darrin West writes: >Has anyone out there had any experience with the B option? Do I >recall someone having the plans for sale? I just may continue on with >my KR-1 in light of this new information concerning the medical. >Thanks to all for the support. >I may have the only KR-1B around? Wow! > >Darrin West >mailto:dwest@rose.net >http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:16:07 -0400 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: radio advice needed Hi Bob... Just wanted to throw my 2c in with the radios... . The Sporty's might look like a good deal at first but with even modest accesories like headset adapter it gets more pricey than almost anything else and is sort of an orphan as to it's maker. I would go with the name even if it's a used one. Ron DeWees On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:30:58 -0700 tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) writes: >Bob > No experience with them but Sporty's has one for $395.00 that looks >good. It used to be in the $500 range but had a price reduction a >few months ago. >Tom in Reno NV > >I am looking to buy a hand-held radio and am finding the price of >ICOM, Narco, King, and Terra to be all about the same at about $500 >and a Delcom >unit for $250 (?). > Does anyone have specific experience which could help me make a >decision I wouldn't regret later? Because of the crunch to get the >company ready to exhibit at Oshkosh I can't make it to the gathering >(I have to pick up show >credentials that sunday in Oshkosh) but I hope to see a bunch of you >at Oshkosh. Stop by Bldg A booth 1036 (Mitchell Aircraft) and say >HI. >I'll have pictures of work to date and hopefully my completed panel to >show. >Bob Lasecki >Chicago and scrambling. >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno >at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #123 *****************************