From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:17 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #124 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 124 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:52:01 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s It's a clean airframe that glides quite well. I wouldn't want to do a forced landing in mine, but it's easy to make make a fair distance with the engine off. I did my BFR in my KR last month. Twice the instructor pulled the power off around midpoint on downwind. She couldn't believe it when I went ahead and extended out into a normal pattern and still made the numbers. That was loaded at 1150# gross. One could roughly extrapolate that out to 2 - 3 miles on 800 feet of altitude which is a tad bit better then your average rock. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:04:03 -0600 Mortensen writes: >Just standing around doing some hangar flying at my gliding club and >was >discussing my plans to build a kr2s with a fellow who flys his own >all-wood >glider. He raised the question of what the kr2s glides like. Since I >fully >expect to have to glide my plane in at one time or another (Yes, I >also >believe that everyone flying retracts will bellyflop sooner or later), >I >was hoping some of you who are no longer dreaming, but are actually >flying >could talk about this. To be absolutely clear on what I am asking, how >does >the kr2s fly with a dead engine? > >Henning Mortensen >Kr2s dreamer, >In the gotta build a garage stage. > >ps. Other then Adrian Carter, any other builders in western Canada? > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:51:35 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: KR-1B I remember when the KR-1B eas offered as an option for the KR-1, The KR1b has a 27" wing span with no major mods to the fuselage, the center section spar stayed the same. It was said you could switch between the two wing. I believe the glide ratio was around 16to1, not great compared to competition gliders but not bad for a motorglider. RR did warn the extened wing was not for the KR2. Dave Moore At 12:28 PM 7/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone out there had any experience with the B option? Do I >recall someone having the plans for sale? I just may continue on with >my KR-1 in light of this new information concerning the medical. >Thanks to all for the support. >I may have the only KR-1B around? Wow! > >Darrin West >mailto:dwest@rose.net >http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nv. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:39:44 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: OSH rooms For you late planners, this was on the Europa list courtesy of Bob at AeroElectric. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just got a phone call from a family that we met on our first trip to OSH in 1986. They tell me that many of their regular boarders are not coming this year. I offered to spread the word. Anyone needing lodging can contact: Karin & Tom Livingood 1922 Olive (North Osh) Oshkosh, WI 54901 Phone (920) 231-4899 They DO have central air conditioning!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:39:45 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Sand Free Sandblasting NetHeads: This was on the Quickie list. Enjoy, Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <> and in a related post from another: <> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:37:04 -0700 From: george robertson Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. At 12:20 AM 7/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >I was thumbing through Dynamics of Flight by Etkins and here are some points I >thought about. Please note that these are just my opinions and I am by no >means an aircraft stability expert [yet :-)], so please do not take any >offence. > >There has bees some discussion about the size of elevator vs the pitch >sensitivity. The size of the elevator is only part of the equation. For static >stability reasons it is the tail volume (Vh) that counts. The tail voulume of >a KR-2 is around 0.30 and KR2S is 0.36 (very rough calculations). Strojnik >book LAD (page 172) recommends 0.45-0.65. Obviously KR2 has a very low tail >volume. However, he also gives example of a Cherokee which has a tail volume >of 0.37, C150=0.40. So, in the tail volume department, KR2S has a big enough >tail. > > Vh = (area of elevator+stab)*(moment arm of tail)/(wing area*mean chord) > >moment arm is measured from a.c cg. > >For pitch sensitivity reasons we need to look at the tail damping as a >function >on of motion about the pitch axis (Cmq), which is proportional to (moment arm >of tail)**2. Therefore, extending the fuselage is a much better solution. > >The argument of the tail sensitivity due large elevator does not make a lot of >sense to me as there are planes with all moving tails that are not very pitch >sensitive. It can be argues that they may have a reduced movement of the >elevator per stick movement (small lever arm). That can be accomplished in a >KR by increasing the size of elevator horn or reducing the distance between >the points where the control cables attach on the control stick. Area wise the >elevator is not too big. > >In any case a smaller elevator will need a larger movement to rotate the plane >at takeoff and could stall. Therefore, reducing elevator size is a non trivial >matter. > > >Haris Ashraf > hi haris a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines forward, adding bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am moving my wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most impact is the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product of the force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the lift*the moment arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest effect. do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up with. george ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:54:10 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Sand Free Sandblasting BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > NetHeads: > > This was on the Quickie list. > > Enjoy, > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > < Spruce has a nylon bristle rotary brush, called the "ABRADER". Two of these > chucked into your drill will make short work of preparing a fiberglass > surface for fill or new plies of glass. The nylon bristles roughen the > "hills and valleys" of the glass weave without harming the glass. One side > of a wing can be prepared in less than 30 minutes. The clean up is just > disposing of the dust you created. Use a respirator. > Both "ABRADERS" will probably cost lees than a couple of bags of sand > and will still be usable on the next composit rocket you build.>> > > and in a related post from another: > > < bottle near by ,and then every now and then spray it ,and this will give you > dust free working time ,happy sanding>> - -- "Sand Blast" never ever heard of anything like this!!! One thing you never do around an airplane of any type is sandblast for any reason. Ask any engineer. Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:24:07 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Columbia Excellent timing. I was thinking about filler just this morning! Rich Parker >haul my engine down and and maybe a some other "junk". I have made >arrangements with Poly Fiber for them to send me some free Smooth Prime, Super >Fil and Silver Shield (UV protectant) for a demonstration and forum at Perry. >I know we did not want to organize to the point of major forums at Columbia, >but I'll bring a couple of pieces of lay ups with different stages of Smooth >Prime (along with some of the stuff) and "goobs" of Super Fil (he wanted to >send me a 3 gallon lot) for people to sand on. Not a big formal thing but >something for you to get you hands into. > >Looking forward to "standing around". > >I've contacted Medody Mountains, she doesn't know when she will be there. I >was told to just tell everyone to keep their eye's peeled that it was her >birthday and she would be wearing a suit..............or something like that, >I may have misunderstood >:-)). > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:30 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s Jeff, I don't think anyone has ever determined the glide ratio of a KR-2. Surely it would glide best with the engine off, the prop windmilling acts as a brake. (At best glide, there's probably an RPM above idle which simulates engine out condition.) When I did the math on these rough distance and altitude figures I got: 2 miles / 800ft = 13.2:1 ratio, and 3miles / 800 ft = 19.8:1 ratio. Perhaps the extra speed above best glide speed threw these calculations off. I think the best way to determine the glide ratio is to first slow to best glide, glide for 500 ft altitude loss, and see how far the GPS measured. Then reverse the glide path 180 degrees and do it again from the same altitude, then average the two distances to rule out the effects of wind. You might actually have to use this process to determine the best glide speed. The GPS speeds would of course help calibrate your airspeed indicator for that speed as well. Would you kindly do the honors? - -Tom Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > It's a clean airframe that glides quite well. I wouldn't want to do a > forced landing in mine, but it's easy to make make a fair distance with > the engine off. > > I did my BFR in my KR last month. Twice the instructor pulled the power > off around midpoint on downwind. She couldn't believe it when I went > ahead and extended out into a normal pattern and still made the numbers. > That was loaded at 1150# gross. One could roughly extrapolate that out > to 2 - 3 miles on 800 feet of altitude which is a tad bit better then > your average rock. :o) > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:04:03 -0600 Mortensen > writes: > >Just standing around doing some hangar flying at my gliding club and > >was > >discussing my plans to build a kr2s with a fellow who flys his own > >all-wood > >glider. He raised the question of what the kr2s glides like. Since I > >fully > >expect to have to glide my plane in at one time or another (Yes, I > >also > >believe that everyone flying retracts will bellyflop sooner or later), > >I > >was hoping some of you who are no longer dreaming, but are actually > >flying > >could talk about this. To be absolutely clear on what I am asking, how > >does > >the kr2s fly with a dead engine? > > > >Henning Mortensen > >Kr2s dreamer, > >In the gotta build a garage stage. > > > >ps. Other then Adrian Carter, any other builders in western Canada? > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:01:22 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Sand Free Sandblasting >> <> Spruce has a nylon bristle rotary brush, called the "ABRADER". Two of these >> chucked into your drill will make short work of preparing a fiberglass How do you get 2 brushes chucked into one one drill? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:28:28 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: motor heads Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Can someone repost the Ellison Link... I have a gascolator, but didn't recall anything in my docs about not having one. > -- Regards > Ross > (Waiting for my ignition module to get repaired). The article was not written by the guys at Ellison but since they posted it on their website I guess they indorse it. The guy said if you have sufficient filters and a low point drain in your tanks then in his opinion a gascolator was nothing more than a place for more problems to arise. Leaks, and vapor locking was two things he mentioned. I don't have the Ellison site URL on me right now but if no one post it I will look when I get home. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing aport the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:45:39 -0500 From: "George P. Bell" Subject: Re: KR: motor heads This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------E27561C1F6FF20E4EB96C51D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellison link: http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/ Micheal Mims wrote: > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > Can someone repost the Ellison Link... I have a gascolator, but didn't recall anything in my docs about not having one. > > -- Regards > > Ross > > (Waiting for my ignition module to get repaired). > > The article was not written by the guys at Ellison but since they posted > it on their website I guess they indorse it. The guy said if you have > sufficient filters and a low point drain in your tanks then in his > opinion a gascolator was nothing more than a place for more problems to > arise. Leaks, and vapor locking was two things he mentioned. I don't > have the Ellison site URL on me right now but if no one post it I will > look when I get home. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Tearing aport the engine now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of > my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for > thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are > anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified > engineering analysis. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - --------------E27561C1F6FF20E4EB96C51D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for George Bell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: George Bell n: Bell;George org: Bookkeeping & Income Tax Service adr;dom: ;;;Huntington Beach;CA;; email;internet: gpbell@jps.net tel;work: 714-963-2806 tel;fax: 714-963-8980 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------E27561C1F6FF20E4EB96C51D-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:43:58 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Columbia Get together lodging? I've got a friend here who would like to get a room for the event this weekend, but I've lost the email with the hotel number. Can anyone help? Thanks! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:55:27 -0400 From: "Thomas Gatliff" Subject: KR: RE: Columbia Get together lodging? The number for the Polk Motel is (931) 388-4913 (Ramada and Days Inn are full because of some Farm Bureau Event).... Thomas Gatliff GSE tgatliff@pro-trainer.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of EagleGator@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 6:44 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Columbia Get together lodging? > > > I've got a friend here who would like to get a room for the event this > weekend, but I've lost the email with the hotel number. Can anyone help? > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:51:23 -0500 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: KR: East Coast Gatherin Hello everyone, I'm living in Nashville and would like very much to go the the get together, however, i do not have a car, but i do live very close to the Airport. I saw that a couple of you who are flying in (comercial) are renting cars. I was wondering if i could get a ride to Columbia with one of you. you can Email me direct Njsmyre@trevecca.edu Thank you very much. Nate Smyre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:12:32 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel for a sales pitch, great plains sells a 21.95 tailwheel that is 4.250" in dia. and about 1.5" wide. it is main feature is that it is quiet - doesnt transmit noise through the "guitar". steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:01:47 -0400 From: "Tim Stone" Subject: Re: KR: motor heads >Ross Youngblood wrote: >> >> Can someone repost the Ellison Link... I have a gascolator, but didn't recall anything in my docs about not having one. >> -- Regards >> Ross >> (Waiting for my ignition module to get repaired). http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:18:21 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Vertex Magnetos we sell the Vertex. its not cheap either. a new one is $624.95 and is almost 1' tall. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:07:04 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s Be glad to next time I find some calm air. The GPS speed won't be of much value due to the altitudes I have to work with, but the distance on the GPS is an excellent idea. Indicated airspeeds work pretty well for picking your best glide. I use 80 or 85 mph indicated for best glide. Others may have better ideas. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:28:11 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? There is a written test for a glider rating, but it is not required if you already have a power license. At least it wasn't last time I checked. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:53:23 -0700 Ross Youngblood writes: >Jeff, > I thought there WAS a written test for the Glider Rating but this >may havechanged. > > For the medical, all you need to do is certify that "I have no known >medical issue that >would prevent me from safely operating a glider", or somthing like >this. > > I flew saleplanes when I was 14, and soloed before I had my drivers >license. Unfortunatly >for me, when I got my drivers license, I decided that driving around >was a >better use >of my $$$ then getting my Glider license. > > -- Regards > Ross > >Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:59:14 -0700 Micheal Mims > >> writes: >> >At 12:39 PM 7/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >>I'll sell you a complete aircraft (torn down to the boat) for >> >$1000.00, >> >>engine and all in south Ga. I had to go ultralight due to medical >> >>problems. See kr-1 fuse at http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ >> >> >> > >> >Darrin did you consider making a KR1B? I have heard you don't need >a >> >medical for a motor glider, is that true? >> >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> >Micheal Mims >> >> Mike is correct in that you do not need a current medical to fly a >> motorglider, just a glider ticket added onto your license. That's >easy. >> If you have a power license, you need to do some training, then pass >an >> oral and flying test. No written test as the glider rating is >considered >> by the FAA as a lower rating then a powered rating. >> >> As best I understand it, the KR-1B motorglider is the same as a KR-1 >with >> a longer set of wings. I don't believe the spar carrythrough needs >to be >> beefed up or anything. If it is licensed as a motorglider, then you >> won't need the medical. >> >> Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >> jscott.pilot@juno.com >> See N1213W construction and first flight at >> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html >> http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:57:55 -0400 From: Bob Kash Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel Steve, Do you have a web site? I am a KR2s builder. Thank you. Bob Kash Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > for a sales pitch, great plains sells a 21.95 tailwheel that is 4.250" > in dia. and about 1.5" wide. it is main feature is that it is quiet - > doesnt transmit noise through the "guitar". steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:56:46 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? Jeff, At this time, I do not hold a private ticket. I don't lack very much though. Is a glider ticket part of a private or can I just get a glider rating? Thanks, Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:26:33 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. In a message dated 98-07-20 02:38:10 EDT, you write: << hi haris a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines forward, adding bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am moving my wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most impact is the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product of the force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the lift*the moment arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest effect. do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up with. george >> You have a point. Moving the wing backwards will increase the moment of inertia (Iyy along the pitch axis) which in turns effects stability. In other words you would be essentially moving the heavy engine forward. I am assuming that c.g. moves back too. I'll be glad do to the calculations and post the results once. What will be the distance of the tail from the main spars? Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:35:53 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Broken control horns In a message dated 98-07-20 14:41:10 EDT, you write: << > I don't even remember that portion of the plans, probably since I can > not believe that anyone would install the controls that way. I strongly > believe that the only proper way to connect cables to a control horn is > with a shackle or the equivalent. > > -- > Don Reid > Page 71 drawing 29 shows a setup with just a bolt through the control horn. Also, on page 56, photos 17 and 19 have the same set up (probably the same a/c). haris Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:10:00 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil Perhaps someone could enlighten me a bit. I can't seem to locate this info in the book of words on the Revmaster. What is the oil capacity for this engine? I have the oil cooler option. Is the oil measured while the aircraft is level or tail low? For anyone else who might have one of these, make sure you check the valve lifter gaps whenever you get the chance. Too much of a gap any you make mincemeat out of the adjusting screw. How do I know that? Don't ask. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:21:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil At 11:10 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote: For anyone else who might have one of these, make sure you check the valve lifter gaps whenever you get the chance. Too much of a gap any you make mincemeat out of the adjusting screw. > >How do I know that? > >Don't ask. > A friend was told that these cool hydraulic lifters would cure this problem and guess what happened? The lifter body failed breaking the lifter bore and would have caused engine failure and who knows what else if he wouldn't have started the engine with his head set off. Do you have swivel feet on your rockers? Would that help? Are those stock valve springs? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:36:57 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: KR-1B Ron Dewees, As near as I can tell by my kr-1 plans, the regular spar measures 6'6" on the main and 6'3" on the rear. I don't know what the "b" spars are supposed to be or what kr-2 spars are. Does anyone know the measurments on the kr-1b spars? I have inquired to RR but have not recieved a response. Darrin KR-1B Weedhopper mailto:dwest@rose.net http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:00:58 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? Darrin, Go see your local soaring club and talk to them about getting your rating. With no current license, you will have to meet some minimum training and performance requirements with your instructor and will be signed off to do some solo flights. You will need to pass a written, oral, and flight test. You self certify yourself as medically fit to fly. You might also discuss with them the restrictions and possibilities of flying a motorglider (self launching glider) with a glider ticket, but I think you will find that what has been said here on the net is corect. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:56:46 -0700 Darrin West writes: >Jeff, >At this time, I do not hold a private ticket. I don't lack very much >though. Is a glider ticket part of a private or can I just get a >glider >rating? >Thanks, >Darrin West >mailto:dwest@rose.net >http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:42:37 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? At 10:00 PM 7/20/98 -0600, you wrote: You might also discuss with them the restrictions and possibilities >of flying a motorglider (self launching glider) with a glider ticket, but >I think you will find that what has been said here on the net is corect. > > What prompted my response about not needing a medical for a motorglider is that the Katana or one of the manufactured birds comes as a motorglider option and they are advertised as no medical needed. This is an interesting option that I don't think RR has considered capitalizing. They could advertize the KR1B as no medical needed and surely increase sales of the plans. A51 group, got your ears on? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:49:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? At 09:42 PM 7/20/98 -0700, you wrote: <<>> Not only that this is something positive that can be done with the RR retract system. Wasn't there someone out there who wanted to get rid of a retract system? Email me off net, I am interested. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:36:04 -0500 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: KR: Re: Columbia "Get-together" - ---------- > From: Mark Langford > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Columbia "Get-together" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 8:30 PM I'm planning on flying my cessena 150 tail dragger down Friday from Central Kansas if weather is ok I am planning on camping Friday night and is anyone else planning on flying from the kansas area? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:33:39 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? >What prompted my response about not needing a medical for a motorglider is >that the Katana or one of the manufactured birds comes as a motorglider >option and they are advertised as no medical needed. >Micheal Mims There was an advertisement in Pacific Flyer for the past couple months for a very nice motor glider, but I think the price was around $80,000. I think he was selling it due to health reasons, and I forget the name of that particular plane. The Katana's seem to be starting around $107,000 or more for the trainer model, don't know about the Motor Glider model. Also, the Europa added a motor glider wing addition recently I believe. The KR-1B will be the best bang for the buck and cheapest way to keep flying motorized obviously. I think this motorglider concept is one of the coolest "life hacks" I have seen KRNet come up with to help someone get around a problem. :) Sort of a cool cheat. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:34:15 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR: 100LL I have a question for the KR flyers out there.(or any one else who knows) I have used 100LL in my T4 for the last 60 hours and now find lead deposits on the sealing surface of my exhaust valves (and all over the combustion chamber). End result is leaky exhaust valves. I really dont want to pull the heads to lap the valves every 60 hours, what are my options? So far I have had recomendations to use a product called ?TCP? described to me as some kind of lead dispersant. #2 - quit using 100LL and use an octane booster in a good premium mogas. I am currently using Marvel MO in the fuel as recommended. What's everyone else doing? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:59:58 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel > >for a sales pitch, great plains sells a 21.95 tailwheel that is 4.250" >in dia. and about 1.5" wide. it is main feature is that it is quiet - >doesnt transmit noise through the "guitar". steve > do you accept catalog orders over the web? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:35:43 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Columbia >> From: Mark Langford >> Subject: KR: Columbia "Get-together" >I'm planning on flying my cessena 150 tail dragger down Friday from Central >Kansas ... Hey Guys! After an extended absence and some minor difficulties getting re-subscribed to the KRNET, I'm baaaack! When and where's this gathering go to occur that everyone's talking about? I'm ready to fly to damn near anywhere this weekend! Cheers, Ed Newbold Columbus, OH PS: Anyone going to OSH this year? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:58:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Re: Columbia On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Edward Newbold wrote: > >> From: Mark Langford > >> Subject: KR: Columbia "Get-together" > > >I'm planning on flying my cessena 150 tail dragger down Friday from > Central > >Kansas ... > > > Hey Guys! After an extended absence and some minor difficulties getting > re-subscribed to the KRNET, I'm baaaack! > > When and where's this gathering go to occur that everyone's talking > about? I'm ready to fly to damn near anywhere this weekend! > Columbia, Tenneessee, just a little south from Nashville. Organized as a Saturday Function but many are arriving Friday and leaving Sunday. Most of us are staying at the "Polk" Motel. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author Once you have the Coroners report, why keep kicking the poor dead horse --Steve Eberhart, 1998 When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci Legal Disclamer: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:09:38 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Columbia gathering Thanks, Steve. I assume we ARE talking about this coming weekend, right? If so, that's not very far away from me and would make a welcome get-away for a while. Can you stick you finger up in the wind and make a WAG as to how many folks have indicated they'll attend? Cheers, Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:16:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Re: Columbia gathering On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Edward Newbold wrote: > Thanks, Steve. > > I assume we ARE talking about this coming weekend, right? > If so, that's not very far away from me and would make a welcome > get-away for a while. > > Can you stick you finger up in the wind and make a WAG as to how > many folks have indicated they'll attend? > sounds like 40 or so are planning on attending - you are right it is this weekend. Also supposed to be several KR's flying in plus some 172's and others. Mark Langford and Dana Overall are the organizers. steve - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author Once you have the Coroners report, why keep kicking the poor dead horse --Steve Eberhart, 1998 When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci Legal Disclamer: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #124 *****************************