From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 3:34 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #126 krnet-l-digest Thursday, July 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:42:10 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD Same here Oscar John F. Esch Bob Kash wrote: > Dear Oscar, > > I'm building a KR2s with a Soob. I would appreciate a copy of your > work. > Thank you for taking the time to put together the info. Bob Kash > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > > > > Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I > have > > CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from > > > R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the > > > box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his > plane), > > and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert > it > > to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., > and > > have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, > and > > have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised > as > > to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of > top > > longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you > > decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > > > > The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a > standard 12 > > ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own > > risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build > > something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > > > > My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, > so I > > have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda > Goldwing > > (!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone > requesting > > these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling > > Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me > about > > this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise > > level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since > everybody > > knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > > > > Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill > promises > > to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; > > > hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM > > (hopefully also available before Perry). > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, Oregon > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:48:02 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: KR-1 builders? >>What prompted my response about not needing a medical for a >>motorglider is >>that the Katana or one of the manufactured birds comes as a >>motorglider >>option and they are advertised as no medical needed. This is an >>interesting >>option that I don't think RR has considered capitalizing. They could >>advertize the KR1B as no medical needed and surely increase sales of >>the >>plans. A51 group, got your ears on? >Not only that this is something positive that can be done with the RR >retract system. Wasn't there someone out there who wanted to get rid of a >retract system? Email me off net, I am interested. The motorglider option sounds interesting (and all my frieds think I'm nuts for wanting to build a plane anyway, so maybe I don't need a KR-2, but this design certainly needs more development. For example, why not use a little two-stroke with pull-cord starter inside the cockpit and a prop that stowed its blades when the engine stopped? Also, what would be the best cowling and gear to use on this design for minimum drag? It might not be the retractibles. I noticed that someone on this list said he had a better glide ratio for his KR-2 than the glide ratio someone else quoted for the KR-1B, and if that's true, something clearly needs to be tweaked. At any rate, does anyone know its claimed performance? I would assume that those long wings would give it a much lower cruise and roll rate than the other KR's. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:41:19 +0200 From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za (Steve Boshoff) Subject: KR: Compression Ratio Hi Guys Anybody know what the compression ratio is on a Revmaster 2.0l engine. Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:47:05 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: Cowling drawing on CAD Hi Oscar, I'd like to be included in the cowling drawings as well. Many thanks! VBRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 21 July, 1998 16:21 Subject: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD >Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > >Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I have >CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from >R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the >box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his plane), >and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert it >to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., and >have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, and >have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised as >to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of top >longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you >decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > >The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard 12 >ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own >risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build >something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > >My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, so I >have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda Goldwing >(!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone requesting >these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling >Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me about >this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise >level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since everybody >knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > >Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill promises >to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; >hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM >(hopefully also available before Perry). > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:11:18 +0200 From: Rian Mey Subject: KR: RE: Compression Ratio This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDB548.4DE4DA10 Content-Type: text/plain Hello Steve, Rian Mey aan die woord. Trotse eienaar van ZS-UKR (KR2) vir die afgelope 3 weke. Realiteit is egter nou besig om in te sink. Ek is opsoek na 'n enigine. Waarom het jy besluit op 'n Revmaster? > -----Original Message----- > From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za [SMTP:steveb@aviation.denel.co.za] > Sent: 22 Julie 1998 08:41 > To: 'krnet' > Subject: KR: Compression Ratio > > Hi Guys > Anybody know what the compression ratio is on a Revmaster 2.0l engine. > Steve in South Africa > steveb@aviation.denel.co.za - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDB548.4DE4DA10 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Compression Ratio

Hello Steve,

Rian Mey aan die = woord. Trotse eienaar van ZS-UKR (KR2) vir die afgelope 3 weke. = Realiteit is egter nou besig om in te sink. Ek is opsoek na 'n enigine. = Waarom het jy besluit op 'n Revmaster?

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    Sent:   22 Julie 1998 08:41
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    Hi Guys
    Anybody know what = the compression ratio is on a Revmaster 2.0l engine.
    Steve in South = Africa
    steveb@aviation.denel.co.za

- ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDB548.4DE4DA10-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:24:43 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: Re: Glider Medical Mike, my medical problem is not the "disease" but the medication I very rarely have to take for it. The worst in flight disaster I could have would be a stomach ache. The problem with the medication is that it "may" cause vertigo at high altitudes in "some" people. I personally have a great family and many other reasons to live and would never put anyone in danger on the ground just to fly. Has any one found any info on possible KR-1B projects? Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:11:54 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls In a message dated 98-07-21 21:04:17 EDT, you write: << I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone help me out, or know where I can search for them? Thanks Nate >> Nate, I'll bring the originals of the traveling newsletters with me to Columbia, there's a drawing of the a dual stick arrangement in there also some hints for the boat construction. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:02:44 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil - -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Carter To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:05 PM Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil >Ahhh so! Glad you clued me in, I should have realized you were talking >about hydraulic lifters. Came to this conclusion after I pressed the >send button. Who says I'm getting too old and too dumb -- see I learned >something new today! > Semantics aside, how much oil will it take? That is the important stuff for me right now. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:45:42 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Columbia-directions I just talked to the FBO and here are the directions to the Maury County Airport from Nashville. Take South 65 out of Nashville to Columbia. Exit off S65 onto the Saturn Bypass exit, stay on this bypass until you get to Highway 43 south to Mt. Pleasant. When you get to Mt. Pleasant (10-12 miles) you can take the Hwy 243 exit, which would be the first exit and follow it directly to the airport (about two miles) or better yet take the next exit, signed Mt. Pleasant (on an overpass), and this will take you directly to the airport (2000 yards). If you need furthur directions, the FBO's telephone number is 931 379-5511. See ya there. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:34:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil cary wrote: > > Semantics aside, how much oil will it take? That is the important stuff for > me right now. > > - Cary - A Revmaster is nothing more than a type 1 VW. Why would the oil quantity be any different? We just pull out the dipstick to see if the level is correct over here in California. I think our Revmaster holds a little over 3 qts. Call Revmaster and give them your serial number they will be glad to fax you a manual, if not let the list know and I am sure someone here will fax you one. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:56:42 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Re: Glider Medical Darrin, Just talked to Jeannette, she says the KR1B wing addition is still availible in plans form for $35.00, and would be glad to send them out. Dave Moore At 06:24 AM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >Mike, >my medical problem is not the "disease" but the medication I very rarely >have to take for it. The worst in flight disaster I could have would be >a stomach ache. The problem with the medication is that it "may" cause >vertigo at high altitudes in "some" people. I personally have a great >family and many other reasons to live and would never put anyone in >danger on the ground just to fly. > >Has any one found any info on possible KR-1B projects? > >Darrin West >mailto:dwest@rose.net >http://home.rose.net/~dwest/ > David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nv. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:46:37 +0200 From: "TOBIAS HOLMGREN" Subject: KR: unsubscribe Hello. Please unsubscibe me. I´m short of time at the moment. See you later. /Tobias ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:05:30 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil cary wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Carter > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil > > >Ahhh so! Glad you clued me in, I should have realized you were talking > >about hydraulic lifters. Came to this conclusion after I pressed the > >send button. Who says I'm getting too old and too dumb -- see I learned > >something new today! > > > > Semantics aside, how much oil will it take? That is the important stuff for > me right now. > > - Cary - Weeeeel, maybe you should get Tom Wilsons "How to Rebuild Your VOLKSWAGEN Air-Cooled Engine" by HPBooks. Wealth of information in this book. Oil: type 1-3=2.65qts, type 4=3.7qts. This book also gives you a schedule of torque values for the whole engine. Hope this helps, Good Luck! - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:23:44 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR:wing skins Dennis, I bought a set of Diehl wing skins but haven't used them yet. They seem to be the way to go for the wings. I have the video I would be willing to loan you but I can tell you that you will want the skins after seeing the video. It makes the construction seem fast, which relative to foam wings it is! I can tell you that you'll have better wings than all the sanding and filling in the world could produce, and they're lighter, and stronger, and smoother, and did I mention smoother? I don't think any airplane wing kit out there is faster to build. The turned-up wingtips are even built into the wing skins. I spent $1500 plus 50 crating and 160 shipping, plus a gallon of vinyl ester $30 (smelly stuff) and the video$30. That was just before an impending price increase. Janette sells the inboard skins for $700 if you really want to buy some time and effort savings. I can't use them since my stub wings won't be stock. - -Tom KenikaS@aol.com wrote: > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up my > mind. > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of you. > Thanks, > Dennis Steed > Salt Lake City, UT > KenikaS@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:53:14 EDT From: KenikaS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Marvel Oil Ron, I used the ratio recomended by Marvel, it is 4 oz. to 10 gal of gasoline, or 1 quart to 100 gal. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:59:44 EDT From: KenikaS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Marvel Oil In a message dated 98-07-21 20:25:05 EDT, you write: << I have 1000 hours in A-65, O-200, and E225 low compression engines, 80% on straight 80 octane car gas. I have rceived lots of advice from lots of folks. I can't prove it, but I believe one quart of Marvel in the crankcase at oil change time is better than putting it in the cas. It doesn't hurt to do both. I can say with certainty that I have had leaky valves after a couple of tanks of straught 100 octane, that cleared up after putting Marvel in the crankcase. Doug Steen >> I would definately agree, Marvel is one of the better oil additives. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:31:41 EDT From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: Re: KR:wing skins Dennis, Just in case the note I emailed you to your aol id didn't get there, I used Dans' skins for the outer wings and he had a fellow that did the inner ones, so I got those too! After all the work on the tail, there was no way I was going to try the wings!! I also have the video, so give me a call at 801-561-3573. Larry Deckert Sandy, Utah ldeckert@aol.com << KenikaS@aol.com wrote: > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up my > mind. > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of you. > Thanks, > Dennis Steed > Salt Lake City, UT > KenikaS@aol.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:38:13 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: KR: Re: Glider Medical >I agree. Unfortunately most of the guys I have run into lately are >fine >medically. One case is the KR builder/flyer at my airport who now has >a >artificial heart valve (original was defective since childhood) and is >waiting for what seems like 215 Dr's to sign wavers. Heck the Dr. >who >installed the valve told the FAA that he is in much better shape now >than >when he had a valid medical but they (the FAA) didn't care. The >builder >continues to wait it out and who knows what the outcome will be. >Another guy decided to honestly answer the medical questionnaire by >saying >his Dr. had given him a prescription for slightly higher than normal >blood >pressure. Guess what? No more medical! He has lost 15 pounds since >and no >longer takes the drug but still no medical. > >If you can help it do not get caught up the web of bureaucracy the FAA >spins! It really sucks! I agree. I almost got into that situation myself on my first medica. I have occasional bronchitis, for which my doctor has me take theophylline every day. This drug has no significant side effect and is pretty much harmless, but older FAA literature disqualifies anyone taking it because at that time it was prescribed only for asthma, which is a disqualifying disease. When I went for my first medical, I was afraid that taking an asthma drug might give the FAA the idea that I HAD asthma. Fortunately, the AME didn't bat an eye when I told him I was taking it for bronchitis, and I've never had trouble since. I'm glad I could keep it at the AME level rather than getting entangled in the FAA flypaper. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:43:43 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR:wing skins Larry, Dan never mentioned the inner skins being available from him. How much were they? - -Tom LDeckert@aol.com wrote: > Dennis, > Just in case the note I emailed you to your aol id didn't get there, I used > Dans' skins for the outer wings and he had a fellow that did the inner ones, > so I got those too! After all the work on the tail, there was no way I was > going to try the wings!! I also have the video, so give me a call at > 801-561-3573. > > Larry Deckert > Sandy, Utah > ldeckert@aol.com > > << KenikaS@aol.com wrote: > > > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any > > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the > > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up > my > > mind. > > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of > you. > > Thanks, > > Dennis Steed > > Salt Lake City, UT > > KenikaS@aol.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 88 06:20:56 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD Oscar, I'd like a copy of your .DWG for the cowl. Is it small enough to attach = to an E-Mail? Thanks for your effort!!!! TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - ---------- > > Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > > Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I hav= e > CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from = > R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the = > box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his plane), > and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert it = > to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., = and > have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, and > have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised as = > to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of top = > longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you > decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > > The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard = 12 > ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own > risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build > something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > > My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, so = I > have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda Goldwing = > (!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone requesting = > these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling > Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me about > this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise > level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since everybody = > knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > > Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill promises > to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; = > hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM > (hopefully also available before Perry). > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:11:07 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > Be glad to next time I find some calm air. The GPS speed won't be of > much value due to the altitudes I have to work with, but the distance on > the GPS is an excellent idea. Indicated airspeeds work pretty well for > picking your best glide. I use 80 or 85 mph indicated for best glide. > Others may have better ideas. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjefs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Just a note from someone who has had 2 dead stick landings with a VW. The prop WILL NOT wind mill. Even if it is not a catristrophic failure the size and weight of the prop will not allow windmilling. But the KR will glide better than any Cessna they ever built. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:45:40 -0000 From: "Brian Bland" Subject: KR:Off net responses Anybody on this list know what "Respond off list" means? Just curious!! ;-) Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK KR-2S@flight2000.com http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:09:19 -0600 From: "gary" Subject: KR: RE: Off net responses I have usually taken it to mean-- to respond directly to the person's E-mail address, directly- and not through the list. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Bland > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 5:46 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR:Off net responses > > > Anybody on this list know what "Respond off list" means? Just curious!! > ;-) > > Brian J. Bland > Claremore, OK > > KR-2S@flight2000.com > http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:10:16 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: PBS show "Plane Crazy" Anybody catch the TV show? I liked it when he knocked the camera out of the guys hands and later when he chainsawed his airplane. John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:02:46 -0500 From: Trent Flemming Subject: KR: Fuselage Side Diagonal Pieces Hello All, I'm am now working on the diagonal pieces and gussets of the fuselage side. I need help with the diagonal pieces between station C and D. I can not find where in the plans or anywhere else, the measurement for how far down on the vertical member of station D, where the diagonal pieces should meet. Thanks for any help. Trent Flemming KR-2S mailto:tflemming@texramp.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:28:03 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Re: PBS show "Plane Crazy" From what I saw, the chainsaw didn't hurt that project a bit! My favorite part was when he was driving up to the place where he was going to have his engine overhauled and he's singing "Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed . . ." Gimme a break! Dean Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 11:59 PM Subject: KR: PBS show "Plane Crazy" >Anybody catch the TV show? >I liked it when he knocked the camera out of the guys hands >and later when he chainsawed his airplane. > > John Bryhan >jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > Los Alamos, NM > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:39:49 -0700 From: george robertson Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls At 08:01 PM 7/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone help me >out, or know where I can search for them? > >Thanks >Nate > hi nate get a copy of issue #186, nov. 1992 of the kr newsletter, theres an article on dual stick design. george ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:48:25 -0700 From: george robertson Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD At 04:20 PM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote: >Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > >Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I have >CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from >R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the >box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his plane), >and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert it >to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., and >have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, and >have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised as >to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of top >longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you >decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > >The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard 12 >ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own >risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build >something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > >My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, so I >have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda Goldwing >(!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone requesting >these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling >Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me about >this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise >level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since everybody >knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > >Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill promises >to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; >hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM >(hopefully also available before Perry). > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com hi oscar please send me the cowl drawing and a vw type 4 if you have it.can you tell me what software i need to have to view the file? thanks. george > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:48:29 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: KR: Two Brain Teasers This is not list-related, but I ran across these in a book I'd forgotten I had and thought some people might be interested: 1. Plant 10 trees in 5 rows of 4 trees each. 2. Cut a cake into 8 equal pieces with only 3 cuts. (Note: the original has a picture of the cake which I can't do, but it's a normal, "cake-shaped" cake). By the way, both of these are fair puzzles -- i.e., they are not "trick" answers. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:55:28 -0700 From: george robertson Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. At 10:26 PM 7/20/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-07-20 02:38:10 EDT, you write: > ><< hi haris > a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines forward, adding > bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am moving my > wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most impact is > the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product of the > force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the lift*the moment > arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest effect. > do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up with. > george >> > >You have a point. Moving the wing backwards will increase the moment of >inertia (Iyy along the pitch axis) which in turns effects stability. In other >words you would be essentially moving the heavy engine forward. I am assuming >that c.g. moves back too. I'll be glad do to the calculations and post the >results once. What will be the distance of the tail from the main spars? > > >Haris hi haris i would use 3c. george > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:00:51 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: PBS show "Plane Crazy" >Anybody catch the TV show? >I liked it when he knocked the camera out of the guys hands >and later when he chainsawed his airplane. > > John Bryhan Yeah, thought that was a great show. Not too crazy about the FAA inspection part, fear they might think that it portrays them as giving permission with just a phone call. The FAA must be a lot nicer than the local Riverside crowd has been regarding homebuilts lately. Getting hard to get clearance for test flying, new guy over there. Loved it when he chainsawed it too. :) Awesome. Lot of good stuff in that show about life and death, parents and children, and safer flying practices learned from doing the wrong thing, but living through it. Wonder what he did with N30DY after that... Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:06:47 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Fuselage Side Diagonal Pieces >Hello All, > >I'm am now working on the diagonal pieces and gussets of the fuselage side. >I need help with the diagonal pieces between station C and D. I can not >find where in the plans or anywhere else, the measurement for how far down >on the vertical member of station D, where the diagonal pieces should meet. >Thanks for any help. > >Trent Flemming >KR-2S Did you also check the original KR-2 plans for that measurement? I think what I did, if you are talking about the forward spar bay area is to look at the drawing that shows the side and the spar. The diagonals if I remember right are placed to meet right about where the top of the spar is. Probably wrong about this, but I think it was about 7 5/8 Inches up from the bottom of the lower longeron. Maybe this helps? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:10:09 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD >>The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard 12 >>ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own >>risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build >>something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > >>Oscar Zuniga >>Medford, Oregon > >Sounds cool Oscar. You could also have used a lens (50mm or higher) from >far enough away to get good plan view photo's of the cowling's exact front, >side, top, bottom , etc. Then scanned them in and use them as a profile >guide for the model, scaling it to the measurements you took. In fairness to Oscar, he wrote and told me that this is the approach he took. Hey, Vern, :) Post that next time. I thought you just did it with brute force the way you mentioned . :p :) Robert Covington Crow Bar and Grill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:30:58 -0700 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: KR's at OSH? Well, the taxi testing is going fine. Temps/pressure look good and I'm up to 30 mph (indicated). The little airstrip is 25' wide so spinning it around was a little tight the first few times. A kid who lives next to the strip says it's the quietest airplane he's heard. Oh yeah, it weighs 548lbs. with no fuel, but otherwise ready to fly (starter, battery, full upholstery, 1835ccVW, 9" longer wings, nose gear, etc.). I'll have pictures on our site Friday. When they're up I'll post the address. Now I need to get some air time in a KR before I think about flying this puppy. I'll be at Oshkosh the 30th, 31st, & 1st, anyone bringing their plane? I'm 160 lbs. but will starve myself for a week if necessary. I'd also like to find a test pilot for the first flight who has time in a KR2. Yes, I'll have it at a nice, wide, 10,000' long, rarely used airfield surrounded by flat, empty farmland. Anybody else going to Osh.? Paul M. Ashland, OR _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:16:12 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: KR's at OSH? Linda & Paul Martin wrote: > > > I'll be at Oshkosh the 30th, 31st, & 1st, anyone bringing their > plane? I'm 160 lbs. but will starve myself for a week if necessary. > > > Anybody else going to Osh.? > > Paul M. > Ashland, OR > >Paul, I'll be there. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:45:28 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD Oscar, I would like a copy as a .DWG file. I am attempting to build my cowling and your drawing may help. Thanks for your effort. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #126 *****************************