From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 10:29 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #127 krnet-l-digest Thursday, July 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 127 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:08:26 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: PBS show Way too realistic. If you havent been as frustrated as he was then you are either doing something wrong or your valiuum prescription is the perfect amount. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH >Anybody catch the TV show? >I liked it when he knocked the camera out of the guys hands >and later when he chainsawed his airplane. > > John Bryhan >jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > Los Alamos, NM > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:26:01 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Off net responses Brian wrote: > Anybody on this list know what "Respond off list" means? > Just curious!! > ;-) You know EXACTLY what it means. But you're apparently one of the very few on this list that does, so let me elaborate. Oscar knew when he posted about the AutoCAD drawing that thirty people would respond, and he wanted the responders to email him directly to keep the other 250 folks from having to download and wade through that mail that we're not interested in. By the way, I want it too, but I emailed him directly. If you guys would put your email address in your signature it would make it easier to cut and paste into the "TO" box, or stick a "mailto:" in front of it and it will be an automatic hyperlink in most browsers. But you can almost always find the original address somewhere, even if you have to open "properties" while reading the message and cut it out of there. Of course some of you command line text / UNIX guys are on your own. And I guess it's time to post something about throwing stuff on this list that has nothing to do with KRs, homebuilts, or even aviation for that matter, but I don't have time for that sermon right now... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:38:49 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? N-number : N30DY Aircraft Serial Number : 001 Aircraft Manufacturer/Model : N/aEngine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR Model : UNKNOWN ENGAircraft Year : 1997 Owner Name : STEPHENS MARK C Owner Address : 1039 S CLAREMONT ST SAN MATEO, CA, 94402-1835 Registration Date : 26-Feb-1997 Airworthiness Certificate Type: Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built Looks like he still owns it. For those of you who dont know, you can do Pilot searches and N number searches at Landings.com or link through my pilots assn web page at http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/mpa.htm. Its great for ratting on those guys who land after you while you are still on the active runways. You just write a short letter to your local FAA rep and CC: the 4 or 5 insurance companies who insure planes and your sure to get someones attention. Also great for finding owners of those scrapped planes with the BIG dents hiding behind the bushes at your local jump school so that you can pick parts out of them. (Trust me I know) Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:36:31 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: PBS show Richard Parker wrote: > > Way too realistic. If you havent been as frustrated as he was then you > are either doing something wrong or your valiuum prescription is the > perfect amount. > >Anybody catch the TV show? > >I liked it when he knocked the camera out of the guys hands > >and later when he chainsawed his airplane. In the five+ years and 3000+ hours, I have never gotten frustrated. I am doing this for enjoyment, but then I would not be stupid enough to try and build that Martin Hollman design in thirty days. For a thirty day composite, you would need slab sides and hot wire wing cores. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:38:27 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Two Brain Teasers Michael Taglieri wrote: > This is not list-related, but I ran across these in a book I'd forgotten > I had and thought some people might be interested: > 1. Plant 10 trees in 5 rows of 4 trees each. > 2. Cut a cake into 8 equal pieces with only 3 cuts. I suspect that anyone who can cut fiberglass on the "bias" can figure out 1. Number 2 is a bit different but think "outside the box". - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:01:08 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: PBS show > >In the five+ years and 3000+ hours, I have never gotten frustrated. I >am doing this for enjoyment, ... >Don Reid Never? I do this for enjoyment too but I sure get frustrated when I screw something up and have to re-do it. I do however love the challenge of reclaiming my screw ups. Remings me of one of the old Bill Cosby albums where everything he ever tried to make eventually had a groove cut into it to make it an ashtray. (Good thing I dont smoke) Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:30:20 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 11:30 AM Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil >A Revmaster is nothing more than a type 1 VW. Why would the oil >quantity be any different? We just pull out the dipstick to see if the >level is correct over here in California. I think our Revmaster holds a >little over 3 qts. Call Revmaster and give them your serial number they >will be glad to fax you a manual, if not let the list know and I am sure >someone here will fax you one. > Not long after I posted my last, I actually found it. Back of the manual almost like an afterthought. 3.5 Qts (US). Now I have an actual measure to go by. I still wonder if the oil cooler makes the measure 4 Qts. The manual didn't say the measure was taken tail-low or not but suspect it was taken in normal cruise attitude. That would make more sense. Thanks. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:32:39 -0400 From: "cary" Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil - -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Carter To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 5:21 PM Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil > >Weeeeel, maybe you should get Tom Wilsons "How to Rebuild Your >VOLKSWAGEN Air-Cooled Engine" by HPBooks. Wealth of information in this >book. Oil: type 1-3=2.65qts, type 4=3.7qts. This book also gives you >a schedule of torque values for the whole engine. Hope this helps, Good >Luck! Revmaster claims 3.5 Qts (US). As luck would have it, all our oil stock at the club is marked in US Quarts. Makes things a tad easier. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:01:40 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? >N-number : N30DY >Aircraft Serial Number : 001 >Aircraft Manufacturer/Model : N/aEngine >Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR >Model : UNKNOWN ENGAircraft Year > >: 1997 >Owner Name : STEPHENS MARK C >Owner Address : 1039 S CLAREMONT ST > SAN MATEO, CA, 94402-1835 >Registration Date : 26-Feb-1997 >Airworthiness Certificate Type: Experimental >Approved Operations : Amateur Built > >Looks like he still owns it. > >Richard E. Parker >Jaffrey, NH >richontheroad@hotmail.com Must have sold it, if you mean the he that built it. His name was Bob Cringely. Weren't it? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:01:34 EDT From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? In a message dated 7/23/98 9:04:52 AM, you wrote: <> Yes, you are correct. I was sort of disappointed in the program and personally feel that he may have done more damage to the homebuilding movement than good. I'm afraid some of the non-flying public may view an obsessive compulsive guy who attempts to slap together an airplane in 4 weeks, is criticized by his peers for shotty craftsmanship, attacks the cameraman out of frustration, and then ultimately slices it up with a chainsaw while donning a hockey mask as representative of all homebuilders. Granted, he did assemble an aircraft in 30 days "at the factory" with the help of skilled craftsmen who had done it many times before. But the public will probably only remember part one and two of the show. I just hope the Feds and Joe and Jane Public don't adopt the attitude that there needs to be more regulation to prevent lunatics like this guy from flying over their house in a flying machine slapped together in the garage. Old Bob and PBS should have set their egos aside and presented a more realistic picture of homebuilders. I, for one, don't give the general public very high marks when it comes to sophistication or the ability to discern fantasy from reality. Any thoughts? Steve (I ain't nothin' like Bob) Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:16:51 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? Horn2004@aol.com wrote: I, for one, don't give the general public very high marks when > it comes to sophistication or the ability to discern fantasy from reality. > > Any thoughts? > I have to agree with you 100%. Seems the general public is pretty darn stupid for the most part. Hell they cant even elect the right president! (if there is such a thing) :o) And like you said they also have a tendency to believe everything they read and or see on TV. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:50:49 -0400 From: photofix Subject: Re: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD George, Sounds great love to see a set in .jpg format still in the design stage thanks Vince kr-2s@photoimage1.com george robertson wrote: > At 04:20 PM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote: > >Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > > > >Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I have > >CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from > >R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the > >box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his plane), > >and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert it > >to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., and > >have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, and > >have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised as > >to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of top > >longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you > >decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > > > >The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard 12 > >ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own > >risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build > >something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > > > >My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, so I > >have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda Goldwing > >(!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone requesting > >these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling > >Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me about > >this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise > >level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since everybody > >knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > > > >Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill promises > >to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; > >hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM > >(hopefully also available before Perry). > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > hi oscar > please send me the cowl drawing and a vw type 4 if you have it.can > you tell me what software i need to have to view the file? thanks. > > george > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:22:38 -0400 From: photofix Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls/boating Looking for the traveling newsletter archive. Gathering as much info as I can before I start the long term love affair. The wife is almost ready for it as soon as I'm finished with the kitchen make over. Just looking for as many ideas as I can. (you know, so I dont say "I wish I would have...") Thanks Vince Robert Covington wrote: > >I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone help me > >out, or know where I can search for them? > > > >Thanks > >Nate > > You need to get some back issues of the newsletters, there are some plans > in there I believe. There is a traveling newsletter archive going around, > but don't know where it is at the moment. You will also find some methods > for boating that you may find helpful. > > Some have found it helpful to use full size cross section templates of > plywood or partical board at appropriate points to keep the boat > symmetrical and form guides for joining it all together. You jig your > guides upright from the table and form the sides around them. > > Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:41:56 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? I couldn't possibly have said it any better! Bob Lasecki Gettin ready for Oshkosh in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:26:57 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls/boating In a message dated 98-07-23 16:17:40 EDT, you write: << Looking for the traveling newsletter archive. Gathering as much info as I can before I start the long term love affair. The wife is almost ready for it as soon as I'm finished with the kitchen make over. Just looking for as many ideas as I can. (you know, so I dont say "I wish I would have...") Thanks Vince >> Vince, I don't know who has the traveling resource library at this time, but it is floating around. Oscar & Kerry have scanned the entire library and are putting it on a CD. If after this weekend you cannot locate this information, let me know "off the KRNet" and I'll make arrangements for you to get a copy. Don't worry, even with the instructions, web pages, opinions (boy, watch out here :-)) and the library you will most certainly be saying, "I wish I would have" or as we now say "maybe next time" :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:40:22 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Wheel alignment I am checking my main gear for alignment and need a bit of advise. My Father says that a taildragger works best on the ground (less likely to ground loop) with a little toe-in on the main gear. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how much. As is, I have approximately 3 degrees, does anyone think that this is too much? - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:59:11 -0300 From: "Alexandre Mater" Subject: KR: Re: Cowling drawing on CAD Oscar, I would like a copy as a .DWG drawing. Thanks for your effort Alexandre Mater Concordia - BRAZIL - ---------- > De: Oscar Zuniga > Para: krnet-l@teleport.com > Assunto: KR: Cowling drawing on CAD > Data: Terça-feira, 21 de Julho de 1998 20:20 > > Hello, netters and alternative engine-heads: > > Well, I finally finished one of the projects I've been promising. I have > CAD 3-view drawings of a stock premolded KR cowling as obtained from > R*nd Robi*son. I took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the > box, cowl belonging to Paul Martin (before he mounted it on his plane), > and have drawn it up in AutoCAD as a .DWG file. I can also convert it > to .DXF or various other file formats such as .BMP, .JPG, etc. etc., and > have top, front, side, and back views of the top and bottom halves, and > have indicated the presumed thrustline. Questions have been raised as > to whether or not this aligns with top of top longeron, center of top > longeron, bottom of top longeron, or long of middle bottomeron; you > decide based on your bird and engine ;o) > > The usual fine print applies, since I measured it up using a standard 12 > ft. St*nley measuring tape and Model A-1 eyeballs. Use at your own > risk; results may vary; no guarantees as to accuracy. If you build > something to my little drawing, you risk disappointment! > > My purpose was to study how various engines would fit in the cowl, so I > have front and side views of the CAM 100, Subaru EA-81, Honda Goldwing > (!), AMW 2-stroke, etc.; I will e-mail privately to anyone requesting > these electronic files. I may also include them on the Traveling > Resource Library KRNet CD-ROM, Vol. I. If you want to contact me about > this, please don't post requests to the KRNet; helps keep the noise > level down. I do not have any drawings of the O-290, since everybody > knows it can't possibly fit in a KR cowl ;o) > > Now I only have two major projects left to complete to fulfill promises > to you folks: the KRNet Shirts (working with Covington on this one; > hope to have available before Perrykosh), and the KRNet CD-ROM > (hopefully also available before Perry). > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:21:31 EDT From: Steen8751A@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wheel alignment The book on a Luscombe says zero to 1/2 degree. Dad and I adjusted his Luscombe last week to 1/2 in and it handles great. Don't know about a KR. Doug Steen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:34:41 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Cowling Construction I am one of the guilty ones who responded 'on the net' to Oscar's kind offer. I had every intention to send my request directly to him, but I became 'trigger happy' and forgot to paste his address in place of krnet. I am building my own cowling so the timing of his offer is perfect. And so, I come to the point of this posting.... In one of Tony Bingelis' books there is a chapter on cowling construction. I am building my own cowling following his example and was wondering if others on the list have done this and, if so, what their thoughts are. One method he describes entails using foam to get the shape, covering it with a plaster compound, sanding and sealing the plaster and then glassing over it. After the glass is cured, the glass is seperated from the plaster/foam. Another method I am considering is the way several of us built the front deck using the foam core technique. This results in a very strong, yet light assembly but is it 'over build' for the cowling?. I will be at the gathering this weekend and I will be the one who seems to be paying a lot of attention to cowlings. Looking forward to seeing everyone there. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:41:43 EDT From: Genseric@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: PBS show "Plane Crazy" LOL Ohh that show was great last night. It sort of makes you think of what your doing. Pesronaly I liked the part at the end where he lost his tail wheel taxing down the runway. Then the guys in the chopper finding it for him. There's my two cents. Ben Raby Minnesota ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:42:45 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Wheel alignment At 17:40 7/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >I am checking my main gear for alignment and need a bit of advise. My >Father says that a taildragger works best on the ground (less likely to >ground loop) with a little toe-in on the main gear. Does anyone have >any suggestions as to how much. As is, I have approximately 3 degrees, >does anyone think that this is too much? > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > > Don, Since memory seldom serves me correctly, I will check, but I think the Diehl instructions say 1/2 degree. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:58:01 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Wheel alignment At 17:40 7/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >I am checking my main gear for alignment and need a bit of advise. My >Father says that a taildragger works best on the ground (less likely to >ground loop) with a little toe-in on the main gear. Does anyone have >any suggestions as to how much. As is, I have approximately 3 degrees, >does anyone think that this is too much? > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > > Don, Since memory seldom serves me correctly, I will check, but I think the Diehl instructions say 1/2 degree. I was right! Memory seldom serves me correctly. The instructions only show how to set the toe-in using a framing square, and no mention of the angle. However, the axle mounting bracket is 2-7/16" wide and the toe-in is set at 1/16" off square. Maybe this will help you. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:37:52 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? Micheal Mims wrote: > > Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > I, for one, don't give the general public very high marks when > > it comes to sophistication or the ability to discern fantasy from reality. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > I have to agree with you 100%. Seems the general public is pretty darn > stupid for the most part. Hell they cant even elect the right > president! (if there is such a thing) :o) And like you said they also > have a tendency to believe everything they read and or see on TV. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I concur with you guys a 100%, I just walked away from that show shaking my head. He just started the whole project with the wrong attitude and the second aircraft with an engine that won't start and a tail wheel coming off. I think you have to view this whole program as a bit of humor and nothing serious. Have a good one guys! - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 88 05:35:23 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy The amazing part of this show was the fact that this guy had actually bui= lt 5 other homebuilts in the past. Notice that EAA and a local chapter = was absent from the process? There were serveral lessons to be learned = for this, however: 1. Don't build in a vacuum...consult with other builders and get help! 2. You can't be a craftsman when you rush to compete by an arbitrary dea= dline. 3. Realize that the frustrations, setbacks, and tribulations of homebuil= ding WILL affect your emotions. Take a break, spend time with your famil= y, and keep your life's prioities in sight. 4. Use a good red wine in the water level! TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:39:36 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel greatplainsas.com steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:53:00 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls/boating Robert, I don't have a drawing of the dual sticks, but I have a completed set of dual controls. If you would like a picture of them, send me your address. Rich McCall Robert Covington wrote: > >I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone help me > >out, or know where I can search for them? > > > >Thanks > >Nate > > You need to get some back issues of the newsletters, there are some plans > in there I believe. There is a traveling newsletter archive going around, > but don't know where it is at the moment. You will also find some methods > for boating that you may find helpful. > > Some have found it helpful to use full size cross section templates of > plywood or partical board at appropriate points to keep the boat > symmetrical and form guides for joining it all together. You jig your > guides upright from the table and form the sides around them. > > Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:55:51 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls Don't have drawings, but do have a completed set of dual controls about to be installed. Send me your address and I'll send you pictures of it. Rich McCall KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-07-21 21:04:17 EDT, you write: > > << I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone help > me > out, or know where I can search for them? > > Thanks > Nate >> > > Nate, I'll bring the originals of the traveling newsletters with me to > Columbia, there's a drawing of the a dual stick arrangement in there also some > hints for the boat construction. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:44:33 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: 100LL tom, on my 2180 in ken cottles kr-1.5 I use 100% unleaded premium at 7.4:1 comp. ratio. no stickey valves, no leakey valves, no gummed up pistons. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:45:15 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel sure or you can fax to 402-493-3846 or order from 800 922 6507. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:48:13 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil Revmasters typically have a comp. ratio of 9.5:1 or higher. this is the extreame upper limit of what 100ll avgas can support in combusiton. a .098 spacer under the cylinder and new pushrods will alleviate many problems associated with detonation -pre ignition and heat associated with high comp. ratios. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:48:40 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Tailwheel 36.95.. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:51:17 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil the slip in hydraulic lifters are stock vw lifters that have chevy internals installed in them. there have been associated problems with lifter breakage using this kind of set up. not new information. to do hydraulics correctly in a type one, the lifter bores need to be machined for a chevy 265-350 hyd. lifter. Rimco in ca does this for a modest fee. Steve. ps. solids still work the best and are the least problematic in type 1 motors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:14:52 -0700 From: rahuman@swbell.net Subject: Re: KR: Cowling Construction Austin Clark wrote: > > > In one of Tony Bingelis' books there is a chapter on cowling construction. > I am building my own cowling following his example and was wondering if > others on the list have done this and, if so, what their thoughts are. One > method he describes entails using foam to get the shape, covering it with a > plaster compound, sanding and sealing the plaster and then glassing over > it. After the glass is cured, the glass is seperated from the plaster/foam. > I built the cowling for the C-85 I have on my plane. It worked well for me. I found that I needed to add some foam stiffeners inside the top half. I seem to recall using 3 layers of 6oz. cloth. Took me @ 85-90 hours before I had something that looked like a cowling. Good Luck! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:31:39 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Dual Stick Controls/boating Rich, I was responding to an earlier post, I am not in need of any pictures at the moment. The person to respond to about this is: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Thanks anyway, though! Robert Covington >Robert, > >I don't have a drawing of the dual sticks, but I have a completed set of dual >controls. If you would like a picture of them, send me your address. > >Rich McCall > >Robert Covington wrote: > >> >I'm interested in some drawings for dual stick controls. Can anyone >>help me >> >out, or know where I can search for them? >> > >> >Thanks >> >Nate >> >> You need to get some back issues of the newsletters, there are some plans >> in there I believe. There is a traveling newsletter archive going around, >> but don't know where it is at the moment. You will also find some methods >> for boating that you may find helpful. >> >> Some have found it helpful to use full size cross section templates of >> plywood or partical board at appropriate points to keep the boat >> symmetrical and form guides for joining it all together. You jig your >> guides upright from the table and form the sides around them. >> >> Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:48:07 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: hydraulic brake if your looking for a true hydraulic brake for the azusa 5" wheel, stop by gpasc's booth at oshkosh to see the retrofit. about 1.2 the price of matco and way less than clevelands. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:55:02 -0700 From: rahuman@swbell.net Subject: Re: KR: Cowling Construction rahuman@swbell.net wrote: > > Austin Clark wrote: > > > > > > In one of Tony Bingelis' books there is a chapter on cowling construction. > > I am building my own cowling following his example and was wondering if > > others on the list have done this and, if so, what their thoughts are. One > > method he describes entails using foam to get the shape, covering it with a > > plaster compound, sanding and sealing the plaster and then glassing over > > it. After the glass is cured, the glass is seperated from the plaster/foam. > > > I built the cowling for the C-85 I have on my plane. It worked well for > me. I found that I needed to add some foam stiffeners inside the top > half. I seem to recall using 3 layers of 6oz. cloth. Took me @ 85-90 > hours before I had something that looked like a cowling. Good Luck! Failed to mention - I used all the scrap foam I could come up with - blue, brown and clark foam - hot glued together - sanded to shape and coated with sheetrock premixed mud - applied with a brush - sand/recoat (lots of dust) as necessary - will build up nicely for fillets. When satisified with shape and smoothness paint to seal with any old enamel you may have around. When the paint has cured - wax with a good paste wax or mold release (it probably will still stick when you try to remove the finished layup). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:42:38 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Dead stick characteristics of Kr2s This evening was calm and smooth enough that I went out and did some glide testing. I came up with an average of 2.1 miles for 1000 feet. That woks out to aroung 11:1 glide ratio. I did this with the engine throttled back to idle and already set up to glide at 80 mph IAS. AS I decended through 9200 feet I would take a mileage reading on th GPS, then take another reading as I sank through 8200 feet. I did two runs in opposite directions. Hope this helps answer somebodies question about glide of the KR-2S. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:11:07 -0500 N4DD writes: >Just a note from someone who has had 2 dead stick landings with a VW. >The prop WILL NOT wind mill. Even if it is not a catristrophic failure >the size and weight of the prop will not allow windmilling. But the KR >will glide better than any Cessna they ever built. >Jean >N4DD > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:26:37 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: hydraulic brake >if your looking for a true hydraulic brake for the azusa 5" wheel, >stop >by gpasc's booth at oshkosh to see the retrofit. about 1.2 the price >of >matco and way less than clevelands. steve Does anyone have experience on how well this design works? I think people on this list have faulted the Azusas for overheating too easily and warping the drum. I'm sure the hydraulic mechanism is well-made, but if it works too well, couldn't it make the overheating problem even worse? Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:26:37 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. >><< hi haris >> a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines >forward, adding >> bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am >moving my >> wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most >impact is >> the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product >of the >> force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the >lift*the moment >> arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest >effect. >> do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up >with. >> george What are you going to do with the passengers? The standard design plants your butt in between the two spars, so if you move the wing back, do they go back too? I assume it would be nice to have the passenger weight on the center of lift so it wouldn't affect CG, but I don't see how that could be done with such a design. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:26:37 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? >I was sort of disappointed in the program and personally feel that he >may have >done more damage to the homebuilding movement than good. I'm afraid >some of >the non-flying public may view an obsessive compulsive guy who >attempts to >slap together an airplane in 4 weeks, is criticized by his peers for >shotty >craftsmanship, attacks the cameraman out of frustration, and then >ultimately >slices it up with a chainsaw while donning a hockey mask as >representative of >all homebuilders. Granted, he did assemble an aircraft in 30 days "at >the >factory" with the help of skilled craftsmen who had done it many times >before. >But the public will probably only remember part one and two of the >show. I >just hope the Feds and Joe and Jane Public don't adopt the attitude >that there >needs to be more regulation to prevent lunatics like this guy from >flying over >their house in a flying machine slapped together in the garage. Old >Bob and >PBS should have set their egos aside and presented a more realistic >picture of >homebuilders. I, for one, don't give the general public very high >marks when >it comes to sophistication or the ability to discern fantasy from >reality. I agree, and TV is a major reason for it. In addition, TV is not a neutral medium in covering news items and documentaries. It needs exciting visuals, emotional intensity, and conflict. Clearly, a realistic program on homebuilding would consist largely of shots of middle-aged men gluing sticks of wood together, shrinking baggy sheets of rayon with an iron, sanding and filling fiberglass for hours or weeks at a time, etc. It would have no visual excitement at all until the plane finally took off and flew (or crashed, if the producer was lucky -- then he could show blood and flames). I didn't see this show (and rarely watch TV), but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the producers chose a builder they knew to be excitable and borderline unstable, then set up an almost impossible deadline for him to meet in the hope that he'd go nuts and do something visually exciting. Fortunately, the public also has a short memory. If he'd taken young children up in the plane and killed them in a crash, it might care, but not otherwise. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #127 *****************************