From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 9:42 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #131 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 131 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:08:54 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) Jean, Doesn't the O-200 use the same old pull starter as my C-85? Also the old 20 amp generator is just skinny enough to clear the cross brace on the RR O-200 mount. The only difference that comes to mind is that the O-200 uses different rubber bushings between the engine and the mount that pushes the engine about an inch farther forward. Am I missing something here? I simply bolted the C-85 to the mount and everything just cleared. We'll have to pull cowlings and compare notes in Perry. I'll be interested to see what all you ran into as I am contemplating either rebuilding the C-85, replacing it with an O-200, or rebuilding it with O-200 parts in a couple of years. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:20:38 -0500 N4DD writes: >To All who are thinking of the O-200 >I have discovered that the RR O-200 engine mount will not allow the use >of the pull starter or standard generator. You can use 3/8" spacers for >the starter but the generator is an inch longer than the pull starter. >The key starter is shorter but there is a problem with the sprage >clutch. So that leaves only the B&C starter ( $800 ) that will fit that >mount. Also I have run into numerous problems trying to get a cowl to >fit the stock O-200 that you would be seen in public with.One in the >dumpster and a better one in work. > I may know where there is an O-200 GPU. I'll check this out and get >back with youguys later ( I think about $1200 will buy it F.O.B.Tulsa,OK. > Next, does anyone know where I can find O-200 Mag. gears P/N 36066 ?? >I need two and the drive gear assembly for the generator. >Thanks >Jean >N4DD > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:53:30 -0500 From: "Randy Stout" Subject: KR: KR Gathering Room availability For those who plan on attending the gathering in Perry...I just spent several hours searching for a room. Everything I could find on the internet was booked for that weekend. I had to settle for the Best Western in Enid, approximately 35 miles from Perry. If you haven't got your room yet you'd better hurry. I was beginning to think I was going to have to stay on Oklahoma City! Randy Stout - San Antonio TX mail to:r5t0ut@flash.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:47:47 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Looking for foam? Netters, Here is a couple of tips I learned today that could save you a bunch in the cost of foam. The tan foam that Wicks sells is "polyurethane" foam. This stuff is made the old fashion way and has been around for many years. If you try to buy this from insulation guys - they don't have it any more because there is relatively new stuff on the market with better insulation properties. As it turns out, it also has slightly improved mechanical properties as well. The stuff is called Trymer and is made by Dow chemical. (I know a couple of you guys are using this stuff already.) The foam cells are smaller than the old stuff but the density is the same - about 2 lbs./cu ft. What this means is that it takes less slurry to fill when applying glass. It sands slightly slower than the old stuff but this also means that you are (I am) less likely to over - sand a contour. Now here's the interesting part. Dow has distributors of this stuff all over the country. I found one here ( about 10 miles from my house). These insulation distributors refer to it as T-2000 or Iso-2000. When they receive it from Dow they get it in large bunstocks that need to be cut down. This local company will sell me the stuff for my "boat" for $0.65 per board foot for custom size pieces and $0.50 per board foot for stock pieces. That's a whole bunch cheaper than Wicks or Aircraft Spruce and there is no shipping. When I went to pick some up today they had a huge stack of bunstock end cut-offs. These were 4'x8'x2" thick. One of the faces was the nasty raw end of the bunstock - but that is only on the face and can be easily sanded off with some 30 grit on a 2x4. They will sell me these pieces for next to nothing (like $5 a sheet and they are happy to see 'em go!). They also told me that anything I wanted out of the dumpster was mine for the taking. Nope - I'm not too proud to go rummaging through the dumpster! This is where I found large chunks of the stuff 6"x6"x12", 3"x5"x48" etc. These work great for areas such as where the wings meet the fuse etc. Dow has information about this product on their website at http://www.bunting-exzacfit.com/trymer1.htm It took me a dozen phone calls to find this distributor, and when I found them they only wanted to sell to businesses - No problem, DC Aerospace was born and made the purchase out of petty cash (everything I had in my pocket.) Then they wanted to know why an aerospace company was building boats . . . Good Luck Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:55:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Control cables (dead horse) At 09:31 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: Maybe somebody will draw this up(paraphrased, of course) and throw it out into the public domain soon... > I think this is the design that RR now sells as the dual stick setup isn't it? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:12:43 PDT From: "Jody Wallace" Subject: KR: Control stick Hey Mark, Flying with your thighs?...that one got me grinning. Flying with your thighs in a somewhat pitchy bird...I had a vision of break-dancing in the sky. But seriously...is there any info available about side stick configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something like Don's KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? JW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:38:18 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: RE: KR: Control cables (dead horse) >At 09:31 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: > Maybe somebody will draw this up(paraphrased, of course) and throw it out >into the public domain soon... >> > >I think this is the design that RR now sells as the dual stick setup isn't it? >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims Isn't the one that Rand Robinson sells (and maybe the one in the newsletter) made by Jim Carroll in Georgia? He used to have a KR, "Dumbo", that was written up in a profile of KR-2 builders back in 92-93. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:09:05 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Looking for foam? Dr Dean wrote: > them they only wanted to sell to businesses - No problem, DC Aerospace was > born and made the purchase out of petty cash (everything I had in my > pocket.) Then they wanted to know why an aerospace company was building > boats . . . Maybe you should send the parts runner from "DC Construction" next time. I called an insulation place in Nashville to get my 2", 3" and 6" 4'x8' sheets and was given the price. The next day when I went to pick them up I told them I was from "Griffon Aerospace" (Lionheart's parent company in which I'm part owner) and the price instantly escalated 15%! That's the last time I'll use that trick. Hey, you forgot the most important part. What color is it? And it's worth mentioning that most of these places will cut it into 4'x8' sheets in any thickness you want. That sure beats 2x4 sheets in limited thicknesses from the aircraft suppliers. Thanks for the tip. Fortunately, I think I have just enough 6" and 2" stuff to do my cowling when the time comes. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of Dean R. Collette, MD > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:48 PM > To: KRNET > Subject: KR: Looking for foam? > > > Netters, > > Here is a couple of tips I learned today that could save you > a bunch in the > cost of foam. > > The tan foam that Wicks sells is "polyurethane" foam. This > stuff is made the > old fashion way and has been around for many years. If you > try to buy this > from insulation guys - they don't have it any more because there is > relatively new stuff on the market with better insulation > properties. As it > turns out, it also has slightly improved mechanical > properties as well. The > stuff is called Trymer and is made by Dow chemical. (I know a > couple of you > guys are using this stuff already.) > > The foam cells are smaller than the old stuff but the density > is the same - > about 2 lbs./cu ft. What this means is that it takes less > slurry to fill > when applying glass. It sands slightly slower than the old > stuff but this > also means that you are (I am) less likely to over - sand a contour. > > Now here's the interesting part. Dow has distributors of this > stuff all over > the country. I found one here ( about 10 miles from my house). These > insulation distributors refer to it as T-2000 or Iso-2000. > When they receive > it from Dow they get it in large bunstocks that need to be > cut down. This > local company will sell me the stuff for my "boat" for $0.65 > per board foot > for custom size pieces and $0.50 per board foot for stock > pieces. That's a > whole bunch cheaper than Wicks or Aircraft Spruce and there > is no shipping. > > When I went to pick some up today they had a huge stack of > bunstock end > cut-offs. These were 4'x8'x2" thick. One of the faces was the > nasty raw end > of the bunstock - but that is only on the face and can be > easily sanded off > with some 30 grit on a 2x4. They will sell me these pieces for next to > nothing (like $5 a sheet and they are happy to see 'em go!). > They also told > me that anything I wanted out of the dumpster was mine for the taking. > Nope - I'm not too proud to go rummaging through the > dumpster! This is where > I found large chunks of the stuff 6"x6"x12", 3"x5"x48" etc. > These work great > for areas such as where the wings meet the fuse etc. > > Dow has information about this product on their website at > http://www.bunting-exzacfit.com/trymer1.htm > > It took me a dozen phone calls to find this distributor, and > when I found > > Good Luck > Dean > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:14:53 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Control stick > But seriously...is there any info available about side stick > configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something > like Don's > KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? Mims probably could dig you up a canard model side stick. Isn't that how the Long EZs do it? Betchan has an arrangement too. I think there may be a picture of it on my site under "Gathering 97" but I wouldn't swear to it. We'll make sure we get lots of good pictures of it this year (unless I'm in Wales again). Randy Stein may have more details. He talked to Don about it a lot and may have made sketches. One thing about dual sticks is that you can fly with either hand, but a side stick sounds interesting. The Nov 92 Newsletter that details the dual stick also has David Carroll's "Dumbo" on the front, if that's a clue, Robert. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:53:01 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Control stick In a message dated 98-07-29 08:15:12 EDT, you write: > Betchan has an arrangement too. I think there may be a > picture of it on my site under "Gathering 97" but I wouldn't swear to it. > We'll make sure we get lots of good pictures of it this year Not so fast. I talked with Don this weekend, he sold his airplane to someone on the east coast, delivered it yesterday I think. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 06:55:53 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: KR Gathering Room availability At 10:53 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >For those who plan on attending the gathering in Perry...I just spent >several hours searching for a room. Everything I could find on the internet >was booked for that weekend. I had to settle for the Best Western in Enid, >approximately 35 miles from Perry. > >If you haven't got your room yet you'd better hurry. I was beginning to >think I was going to have to stay on Oklahoma City! > >Randy Stout - San Antonio TX I just booked a room at the best western for saturday night. Friday night was booked. Think Don will mind if I sleep on the hangar floor Friday night? Ron "Sleepless in Perry" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:21:18 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Control stick Jody Wallace wrote: > > But seriously...is there any info available about side stick > configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something like > Don's KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? Anyone have access to some Cozy plans? It uses a dual side stick design that might be adaptable to the KR2. Before I relocated to Atlanta, I had a friend in NC that was flying a MK2 and building a MK4. IIRC, it wasn't all that complicated and was indeed "all push tubes and torque tubes". Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:05:48 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: RE: Looking for foam? Mark Langford wrote: > > Hey, you forgot the most important part. What color is it? Hmm, according to the web page, it's "Red". Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:57:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Control stick On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Patrick Flowers wrote: > Jody Wallace wrote: > > > > But seriously...is there any info available about side stick > > configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something like > > Don's KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? > > Anyone have access to some Cozy plans? It uses a dual side stick design > that might be adaptable to the KR2. Before I relocated to Atlanta, I > had a friend in NC that was flying a MK2 and building a MK4. IIRC, it > wasn't all that complicated and was indeed "all push tubes and torque > tubes". > Mark Lougheed has my Rutan CD-ROMs. Mark you might look at the plans for the Long EZ and check out the drawings for the side stick. I am sure it is the same as Nat used on the Cozy. He copied everything else verbatum from the Rutan plans - even to the extent of just photo copying most of them. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author Once you have the Coroners report, why keep kicking the poor dead horse --Steve Eberhart, 1998 When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci Legal Disclamer: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:22:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Control stick Jody Wallace wrote: > But seriously...is there any info available about side stick > configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something like Don's KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? > > JW Before you build up a side stick system I would suggest you go fly with your right hand for a while. It really makes no difference whether your right or left handed, I think you will find you can fly just as well with your left or your right hand after some practice (1 hour or so). - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:49:18 -0500 From: Bob and Grace Welfel Subject: KR: KR2 sale Hi KR people, Getting old and wife says I have to quit flying. Sold the Cessna 150 and still have the KR2, %80 done in garage.All parts are done and engine mounted and running. VFR panel, type 1 VW engine, 1700 case, figgures out to 65 HP. Manufactured for aircraft by Monett in Oskosh, Wisconsin. Engine has 1 hour running time on it. If intrested contact me by E mail. Thanks, Bob Welfel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Control cables (dead horse) Mark, In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility that your passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical moment and cause a temporary loss of control? I suppose the solution to that would be to make a removable passenger stick. Bob Smith (trying to think ahead) Mark Langford wrote: > Although you've probably seen it, there's a great design in the November > 1992 (copyrighted!) KR Newsletter for a dual stick setup which rotates about > the axis of the aileron cable when moving fore and aft to operate the > elevator. End of problem, except it's a dual stick and somewhat complicated > (involves welding 4130 steel). But I think I decided after seeing it to use > it (although I could design a single stick version) because this allows me > to fly with either hand (or thighs) and relocate my flap handle to between > pilot and passenger. This would give me more room 95% of the time (solo). > Time to order 4130 tubing, I guess. Maybe somebody will draw this up > (paraphrased, of course) and throw it out into the public domain soon... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:03:26 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Looking for foam? If the cells are smaller, you might consider that the bond strength of glass-to-foam is different and might be less. You might try a test of this strength to be on the safe side. I would guess that it would be OK but thats just a guess. Bob Smith Dean R. Collette, MD wrote: > Netters, > > Here is a couple of tips I learned today that could save you a bunch in the > cost of foam. > > The tan foam that Wicks sells is "polyurethane" foam. This stuff is made the > old fashion way and has been around for many years. If you try to buy this > from insulation guys - they don't have it any more because there is > relatively new stuff on the market with better insulation properties. As it > turns out, it also has slightly improved mechanical properties as well. The > stuff is called Trymer and is made by Dow chemical. (I know a couple of you > guys are using this stuff already.) > > The foam cells are smaller than the old stuff but the density is the same - > about 2 lbs./cu ft. What this means is that it takes less slurry to fill > when applying glass. It sands slightly slower than the old stuff but this > also means that you are (I am) less likely to over - sand a contour. > > Now here's the interesting part. Dow has distributors of this stuff all over > the country. I found one here ( about 10 miles from my house). These > insulation distributors refer to it as T-2000 or Iso-2000. When they receive > it from Dow they get it in large bunstocks that need to be cut down. This > local company will sell me the stuff for my "boat" for $0.65 per board foot > for custom size pieces and $0.50 per board foot for stock pieces. That's a > whole bunch cheaper than Wicks or Aircraft Spruce and there is no shipping. > > When I went to pick some up today they had a huge stack of bunstock end > cut-offs. These were 4'x8'x2" thick. One of the faces was the nasty raw end > of the bunstock - but that is only on the face and can be easily sanded off > with some 30 grit on a 2x4. They will sell me these pieces for next to > nothing (like $5 a sheet and they are happy to see 'em go!). They also told > me that anything I wanted out of the dumpster was mine for the taking. > Nope - I'm not too proud to go rummaging through the dumpster! This is where > I found large chunks of the stuff 6"x6"x12", 3"x5"x48" etc. These work great > for areas such as where the wings meet the fuse etc. > > Dow has information about this product on their website at > http://www.bunting-exzacfit.com/trymer1.htm > > It took me a dozen phone calls to find this distributor, and when I found > them they only wanted to sell to businesses - No problem, DC Aerospace was > born and made the purchase out of petty cash (everything I had in my > pocket.) Then they wanted to know why an aerospace company was building > boats . . . > > Good Luck > Dean > mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:03:24 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Rooms. I just called and got the same thing Ron got, no rooms for Friday night. Is there a KR nethead out there who has a room already who would like to split the cost? I swear I'll bring clean socks:-)). Sure would appreciate it. If anyone is interested respond "off the KR net" Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:31:46 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Control stick I'm left handed, fly a 152 left handed,fly RC planes right handed and have taught myself to fly a Lear (Lear = KR) right-handed on the flight simulator. So far I intend to fly my KR stick right handed. Sooooo...It seems best (and possible) to be ambidexterous Bob Smith Micheal Mims wrote: > Jody Wallace wrote: > > But seriously...is there any info available about side stick > > configurations? I'm left handed and was concidering something like Don's KR. Are side sticks all push tubes and torque tubes? > > > > JW > > Before you build up a side stick system I would suggest you go fly with > your right hand for a while. It really makes no difference whether your > right or left handed, I think you will find you can fly just as well > with your left or your right hand after some practice (1 hour or so). > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:22:14 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR Rooms. In a message dated 98-07-29 15:10:25 EDT, you write: << Is there a KR nethead out there who has a room already who would like to split the cost? I swear I'll bring clean socks:-)). >> Cancel that order. Thanks for the reply Steve Eberhart. Heck I might as well bring a change of underware also:-)). Mike, these a51 shirts sure are nice, HeHeHeHeHeHe :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:09:10 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) Thanks Mike. Rich Micheal Mims wrote: > At 10:18 PM 7/27/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I previously sent a message looking for a set of Diehl Wing. Had one > >reply and when I called, the guy's wife said he had sold the plane. So > >I'm still looking. Anybody have a set I can buy? > > > >Rich "Looking for Wing Skins" McCall > > > > That almost sounds like a hard item to find used. Seems like if someone > decided to sell their skins they would be trying to sell the entire kit > (whole airplane). Good luck and I will keep my ears open over here on the > left coast. > > If anyone out there hears of a mid to high time O-200 could you let me or > Haris know? Haris is looking for one and Brad wants one too. > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:03:08 -0400 From: "Eugene Gargasz" Subject: KR: polyisocyanurate foam This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDBB23.85FF6A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi KR netters, Before I had a quad by pass last year dec, I was experimenting with 1/2" = building sheeting polyisocyanurate. By using a hair dryer I could bend = it enough to follow the wing templates to facilittate the wing leading = edge to the forward spar thus allowing glassing on the underdside as = well as the top side. No sanding very little filling much stonger wing. = I soaked the material in regular auto gasoline fortified with ethenol = for about 3 weeks, saw no apparent damage. =20 I was in the process of trying to build a kr using composite constuction = in place of plywood. still using wood framing members, mathematicaly by = wieght of materials that could be eliminated by double sided glassed = panel construction that would provide a much better stonger boat and = spars, fast construction time. a lighter aircraft. With lense implants and medication regimens,I'll proably never get by = the FAA regs. I'm pleased to see the the progress made in the works of = enjine, wing, and horizontal stabillizer, its all been intresting and = informative, NOT being able to do much since dec the kr net has helped = to keep me sane thanks, Eugene gargasz Elyria Ohio.=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDBB23.85FF6A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi KR netters,
 
Before I had a quad by pass last = year dec, I was=20 experimenting with 1/2" building sheeting = polyisocyanurate. =20 By using a hair dryer I could bend it enough to follow the = wing=20 templates to facilittate the wing leading edge to the forward spar thus = allowing=20 glassing on the underdside as well as the top side.  No sanding = very little=20 filling much stonger wing.  I soaked the material in regular auto = gasoline=20 fortified with ethenol for about 3 weeks, saw no apparent=20 damage.  
 
I was in the process of = trying to build=20 a kr using composite constuction in place of plywood. still using wood = framing=20 members, mathematicaly by wieght of materials that could be eliminated = by double=20 sided glassed panel construction that would provide a much better = stonger boat=20 and spars, fast construction time. a lighter = aircraft.
 
With lense implants and = medication=20 regimens,I'll proably = never get by=20 the FAA regs.  I'm pleased to see the the progress made in the = works of=20 enjine, wing, and horizontal stabillizer, its all been intresting and=20 informative, NOT being able to do much since dec the kr net has helped = to keep=20 me sane
 
thanks, Eugene gargasz  Elyria = Ohio.=20
- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDBB23.85FF6A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:22:58 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: polyisocyanurate foam In a message dated 98-07-29 19:16:11 EDT, you write: << I was in the process of trying to build a kr using composite constuction in place of plywood. still using wood framing members, mathematicaly by wieght of materials that could be eliminated by double sided glassed panel construction that would provide a much better stonger boat and spars, fast construction time. a lighter aircraft. With lense implants and medication regimens,I'll proably never get by the FAA regs. I'm pleased to see the the progress made in the works of enjine, wing, and horizontal stabillizer, its all been intresting and informative, NOT being able to do much since dec the kr net has helped to keep me sane thanks, Eugene gargasz Elyria Ohio. >> Then you would love Dr. Dean's "composite" boat. In addition, at Columbia this past weekend we were discussing just the very thing......heating up last a foam for compound curves using a hair dryer. Mark Langford has done it, Dr. Dean had that worried look on his face. Think KR-1B motorglider. Glad we could help, take care. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:17:09 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: polyisocyanurate foam Dana wrote: > ......heating up last a foam for compound curves using a hair dryer. Mark Langford > has done it, Dr. Dean had that worried look on his face. Maybe that's where all those brain cells went....yeah, yeah, that's it... Speaking of looks on his face, you shoulda seen him when I told him about Larry burning cubic YARDS of urethane foam behind his house after Lionheart was done. It's a good thing there's no plutonium in that plane! Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:25:10 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Control stick Ditto. It only takes a few minutes to adjust. I fly stick or wheels, left or right handed, left or right seat. After a few minutes, it doesn't matter. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:31:46 -0400 smithr writes: >I'm left handed, fly a 152 left handed,fly RC planes right handed and >have taught myself to fly a Lear (Lear = KR) right-handed on >the flight simulator. So far I intend to fly my KR stick right handed. >Sooooo...It seems best (and possible) to be ambidexterous > >Bob Smith > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:22:57 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Dual Sticks - was Control cables (dead horse) It's never happened to me in 22 years of flying dual control flying machines, including several passengers in the KR in the last year. On the other hand, there were times in the Champ when we landed when no one was touching the sticks..... Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 smithr writes: >Mark, >In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility that >your >passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical >moment and >cause a temporary loss of control? I suppose the solution to that >would be to >make a removable passenger stick. > >Bob Smith (trying to think ahead) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:33:11 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR Gathering Room availability John called the Days Inn in Perry and got us rooms with no problem. The online yellow pages lists 8 motels in Perry. Call around. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 06:55:53 -0600 Ron Lee writes: >At 10:53 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >>For those who plan on attending the gathering in Perry...I just spent >>several hours searching for a room. Everything I could find on the >internet >>was booked for that weekend. I had to settle for the Best Western in >Enid, >>approximately 35 miles from Perry. >> >>If you haven't got your room yet you'd better hurry. I was beginning >to >>think I was going to have to stay on Oklahoma City! >> >>Randy Stout - San Antonio TX > >I just booked a room at the best western for saturday night. Friday >night >was booked. Think Don will mind if I sleep on the hangar floor >Friday >night? > >Ron "Sleepless in Perry" Lee > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:58:01 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > Jean, > > Doesn't the O-200 use the same old pull starter as my C-85? Also the old > 20 amp generator is just skinny enough to clear the cross brace on the RR > O-200 mount. The only difference that comes to mind is that the O-200 > uses different rubber bushings between the engine and the mount that > pushes the engine about an inch farther forward. Am I missing something > here? I simply bolted the C-85 to the mount and everything just cleared. > We'll have to pull cowlings and compare notes in Perry. I'll be > interested to see what all you ran into as I am contemplating either > rebuilding the C-85, replacing it with an O-200, or rebuilding it with > O-200 parts in a couple of years. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:20:38 -0500 N4DD writes: > >To All who are thinking of the O-200 > >I have discovered that the RR O-200 engine mount will not allow the use > >of the pull starter or standard generator. You can use 3/8" spacers for > >the starter but the generator is an inch longer than the pull starter. > >The key starter is shorter but there is a problem with the sprage > >clutch. So that leaves only the B&C starter ( $800 ) that will fit that > >mount. Also I have run into numerous problems trying to get a cowl to > >fit the stock O-200 that you would be seen in public with.One in the > >dumpster and a better one in work. > > I may know where there is an O-200 GPU. I'll check this out and get > >back with youguys later ( I think about $1200 will buy it > F.O.B.Tulsa,OK. > > Next, does anyone know where I can find O-200 Mag. gears P/N 36066 ?? > >I need two and the drive gear assembly for the generator. > >Thanks > >Jean > >N4DD > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Jeff I just found out that the new RR mount is about 2 1/2" longer than the original which was 8 7/8" from firewall to engine mount. The problem is that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward. Martin Roberts is 8 7/8" that was what I was using as a referance. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:42:22 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Progress update (some dragonfly VW info too) In a message dated 98-07-27 05:57:25 EDT, you write: << I do them all at the same time, though I have heard of others adding the gussets later. When doing things like the diagonals, it sometimes helps to have the pressure of the gussets to keep the diagonal in the proper shape. You need to try the Gusset Clampett technique, I think there is a GIF of it on Mike's WWW site. Basically, you take a little angled chunk of 5/8 wood (cheap wood, not spruce, smaller in front than back to get in there close.:) and use a roofing nail with a small spring behind the flat head, and insert that into the wood chunk. You then apply the flat nail head/Clampett to your gusset, using moderate compression pressure, but not _too_ light, and mark where the block ends up. Then you remove the gusset, glue the Clampett down with 5 minute epoxy, and when you have applied your T88 or other glue, the nail is pulled back to place the gusset. It will squeeze out the excess glue,without leaving the joint too dry. Another benefit is the help it provides with diagonal placement. But you have to put the right gusset in first or it will move the diagonal in the wrong direction. Add wax paper between nail head and the gusset, because sometimes the glue can seep back in there in the fury of glue-ition. Hope this helps...somebody.. :) >> Thanks for the advice Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #131 *****************************