From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:10 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #134 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, August 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 134 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:28:55 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: The closest thing to a KR-2S Hi Netters, I've got the following computer simulations for homebuilts and light aircraft but none for the KR-2S. What would be closest to the feel of a KR-2S?: RV-4 RV-6 Tailwind CRI-CRI Gee Bee Glasair GP4 Katana Kitfox Lancair Quickie Racer (similar to a 30's racer) Skipper Grob115 I think there are characteristics of each that are similar to the KR's, but I'm guessing the Glasair. The Glasair's V-speeds are higher though, and the wing is not as high in lift. If anyone's interested, I'll share any of the above plus these: Velocity Bumble Bee (Worlds smallest man-carrying plane) BD-10 Cessna 140 Cessna 150 Cessna 172 Spitfire Wright Flyer X-wing fighter F-16 SR-71 UFO - -Tom - -- Send e-mail to mailto:tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net Web site at http://home.att.net/~tomkr2s/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:53:46 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: [none] I found slightly used (very good cond Nomex Flight Suits for $29.00 sizes are 36,38,40,42 Item number G8M-31824X 1-800-888-3006 Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:40:43 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR: Trip Report Just flew back from Oshkosh, and boy are my arms tired! Seriously, it's my butt that's tired. Total flight time up and back was 21 hours. That includes lots of diverting to other airports because of weather. I left on Fri. AM to go to Col. Tn, got as far as Anniston, AL and ran into thunderstorms. Flew out of there on Sun. AM in marginal VFR, arrived in Columbia, TN at 1100 Eastern time to find everyone had already left. Spent most of the day with Troy P. and the fine folks at Raider aviation- Finally met Melody Mountains- Wow! Left the next day only to be stranded somewhere in KY with severe weather. Left the next day, had fine weather all the way to OSH. Flew most of the way with no other planes in sight, including the approach to OSH. Finally saw a Bonanza on downwind for 27. The whole OSH entry proceedure was a real non event. This was at 1700 on Tuesday. Osh was great, met lots of old friends, made some new ones. Seems like the crowd doubled on Friday, so I started thinking what it would look like on Sat., decided to leave early Sat. AM. Getting out at 0900 took about 30 min., had a line of about 20 planes in front of me. The rest of the trip home was uneventful until I got 18 miles from home and had to turn back and land at Lake City, FL because of thunderstorms. Waited on the ground for 3 hours, flew home just before dark in marginal VFR and light rain. Felt real good to be home! All things considered, it was a good trip. 1046 miles each way. The plane and engine performed as they should, had nose winds from 5-25 MPH both ways.(of course!) Still, I averaged a ground speed from 130 to 150 at 75% power. The plane saw 200MPH for the first time while I was diving from 8000 ft. on top thru a hole in the clouds in deteriorating weather. Quite a thrill, let me tell you. More later. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:45:11 -0700 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: KR: Re: Kr questions took all the measurements from a brand-new, in the Kr Net Heads.. I have a general question or two that I hope someone can assist with. I had the pleasure of having Bob Muse Sr. come out and look at my two Kr2 projects last Friday and he raised a couple of questions that I con't answer since I don't have the history of my projects. The one I am planing on building is made of mahogony plywood and Bob said the workmanship wasn't bad. He did notice immediately that none of the plywood was more than 3 ply.. regardless of thickness. Even teh 5/16 was 3 ply. He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 ply but isn't sure. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply mahogony at only 3 ply? The second thing he noted was that the wings are covered with a material that looks a lot like burlap. It is not as coarse but doesn't look at all like fiberglass. It was incredibly starved for resin so it's clearly visible. Any ideas what it was ? I think the project is at least 12 years old so it might have been some approved substitute for fiberglass. I can send anyone a small patch of it if it would help. I would rather not build another set of wings if it's basicly ok, but won't take a chance if I can't identify it. The tail feathers are made of the same stuff, but glassed over and quite flat and acceptably strong, according to Bob. If any KR head hasn't met Bob they should make it a point to do so. He was extremely helpful and drove about an hour to come see my wood scraps. I can't wait to see his KR. His whole outlook is to keep it simple, light and follow the plans. Your help appreciated, Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:24:52 From: * Flesner * Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions . He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 >ply but isn't sure. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply mahogony at >only 3 ply? =================snip=================================== The second thing he noted was that the wings are covered with a >material that looks a lot like burlap. It is not as coarse but doesn't >look at all like fiberglass. It was incredibly starved for resin so it's >clearly visible. Any ideas what it was ? >Ron DeWees >Atlanta, Ga ============snip======================= My aircraft grade mahogony 3/32 plywood is three ply having a white hardwood center. The 1/4 inch mahogony I have is 5 ply. As for the wing cover? Glass that is very dry would look like burlap. It should be laid on the bias, that is, the weave should run at 45 degrees to the span. Check your plans for more info. One test might be to take out a section (maybe at the tip) and put a torch to it. It is my understanding that the resin would burn leaving the cloth if it is glass. Verify this with someone that knows what they are talking about before testing. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:39:46 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions rdewees@juno.com wrote: He did notice immediately that none of the > plywood was more than 3 ply.. regardless of thickness. Even teh 5/16 was 3 ply. He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 ply but isn't sure. How about it?>>> All the 3/32 ply I got from AS&S is 3 ply. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:11:04 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: VW Site-? In a message dated 98-08-03 08:26:23 EDT, Oscar wrote: << Anybody know what happened to the VW website www.type2.com that we have linked on our KRNet.org page? The one with Bob Hoover's VW engine 'sermons'? My browser can't find the site. >> Although I can't offer anything up about www.type2.com, you can get to Hoover's site by going to: http://www.type2.com/sermons/index.html Ross, does our website have a dead link problem? Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA mailto: BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:22:33 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Site-? BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > Although I can't offer anything up about www.type2.com, you can get to > Hoover's site by going to: http://www.type2.com/sermons/index.html > > Ross, does our website have a dead link problem? > http://www.type2.com/ worked just fine on my end. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:47:22 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: Eat your heart out Have a look at this baby http://www.sportflyer.com/turbo/ Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:45:29 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions >workmanship wasn't bad. He did notice immediately that none of the >plywood was more than 3 ply.. regardless of thickness. Even teh 5/16 was >3 ply. He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 >ply but isn't sure. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply mahogony at >only 3 ply? All of my A/C 3/32 mahogany plywood is 3 ply with a Poplar core. Each piece is labeled A/C mahogany poplar core mil spec yada,yada, yada. I made sure that I left the labels visible inside the fuselage and dont plan on painting over them. As for the thicker stuff I would think that only 3 ply is unacceptable however mahogany faced plywood is pretty hard to find. If it truly is mahogany and in good shape I might be tempted to leave it and laminate another peice onto it. I've laminated up to 3 layers of 3/32. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:03:16 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Carbon Fiber In a message dated 98-08-03 08:42:30 EDT, you write: << Why are you doing that? are you planning on standing on it? >> Seems like the thing to do:-)). Seriously, this is going to be my last lay up so I thought I would give it a try. Haven't got anybody to bite on the epoxy/vinyl ester or vinyl/epoxy thing yet. Which one can you do? Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:40:01 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions rdewees@juno.com wrote: > workmanship wasn't bad. He did notice immediately that none of the > plywood was more than 3 ply.. regardless of thickness. Even teh 5/16 was > 3 ply. He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 > ply but isn't sure. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply mahogony at > only 3 ply? My reference, ANC-18, gives tables of data on all the A/C plywood that was available as of June, 1951. The maximum nominal thickness of the 3-ply is given as 0.185 inches (~3/16"), 5-ply ran from 0.160" to 0.375", 7-ply from 0.410" to .540", etc. I don't know if this list is all-inclusive. In my case, I used a British A/C grade of mahogany for the sides, 3/32" and 3-ply. The birch is Scandanavian, the 2.5mm (~3/32") is 3-ply. The 6mm (~1/4") was anywhere from 5-ply to 13-ply. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:52:18 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Carbon Fiber In a message dated 98-08-03 15:04:47 EDT, you write: > Haven't got anybody to bite on the epoxy/vinyl ester or vinyl/epoxy thing > yet. > Which one can you do? > Dana, I just got off the phone with Dan Diehl to ask this question, and the short answer is you can do either if the surface is prepared properly. I'll have the long answer, with the definitions of "prepared properly", written up by this evening and posted to y'all. I want to fax a copy of it to Dan for his review to make sure I get his words right. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:27 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Carbon Fiber In a message dated 98-08-03 16:42:03 EDT, you write: > > Haven't got anybody to bite on the epoxy/vinyl ester or vinyl/epoxy thing > > yet. > > Which one can you do? > > > > Dana, > > I just got off the phone with Dan Diehl to ask this question, and the short > answer is you can do either if the surface is prepared properly. I'll have > the long answer, with the definitions of "prepared properly", written up by > this evening and posted to y'all. I want to fax a copy of it to Dan for his > review to make sure I get his words right. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > Here's the long story, as reviewed by Dan Diehl: Vinyl Ester and Epoxy - How to bond one to the other. I talked to Dan Diehl about whether vinyl ester resin would bond to epoxy or vice versa, and his answer was that either way will work with the proper preparation. Here's what he said about each. Vinyl ester laminating resin is "air inhibited" during cure, which means that the surface of the resin exposed to the air does not completely cure. This is the reason why your sandpaper gets gummed up so quickly when sanding a vinyl ester layup. When used as a laminating resin for multiple layups, this characteristic allows successive layups to essentially "melt" into the previous layup and provides for a very homogenous finished product. However, epoxy will not bond to this surface. You've probably heard the story about one KR-2 builder who tried to put his Diehl wing skins on with epoxy, and they ended up just peeling off the spars. Dan said that in order to get the epoxy to bond, you have to sand all the way down to the glass fiber, removing all of the uncured vinyl ester resin. The mistake most people make is not removing enough material when performing this process. Dan said you have to remove at least .002 of material to properly prepare the vinyl ester surface for epoxy to bond to it. The other option here is to use peel ply when you do your final vinyl ester layup, as the resin beneath the peel ply will be sealed from the air and will fully cure. Epoxy will bond to this fully cured surface. Epoxy has it's own unique curing properties. The surface of an epoxy layup develops what Dan called a "blush", which must be removed before anything will bond to it. He recommended using only water to remove this surface material. Acetone will not remove it, it will just spread it around, kind of like trying to clean up oil with a wet rag. The epoxy surface must also be well sanded before vinyl ester will bond to it. In addition, it must ALSO be sanded for another coat of epoxy to bond to it. Again, using peel ply will leave a surface ready for bonding as the blush will have formed on top of the peel ply. Given his choice, Dan said he would rather put epoxy over a properly prepared vinyl ester surface. He gave the example of a boat he repaired using a vinyl ester patch. The boat, constructed with a polyester resin, is now beginning to show signs of wanting to leak in the area of the repair. For the purpose of this discussion, he said that both polyester and vinyl ester resins were about the same. He said he will have to completely remove the patch, and plans to grind away about half of the three quarter inch thickness of the bottom of the boat in preparing it for a new patch using epoxy. He also said that he uses epoxy to seal the wood patern molds he uses in his business. The epoxy coating is waxed before he starts his layups, and the vinyl ester layups separate out of them easily. Things to remember when preparing surfaces for bonding: 1. "Make glass dust" with your sand paper. Remember that initially your sand paper only makes about 10% contact with the surface you are working on due to the properties of the grit surface, and you need to so a substantial amount of work to remove enough material to prepare the surface for a good bond. You will be adding another layer of glass that will be bonded to the material you expose, so strength will not be compromised. If you are worried about it, add an extra layer of glass tape at the joint (my words, not Dan's). 2. Anticipate where you will be bonding parts of different composition together and use peel ply in those areas to save yourself some work and worry. 3. DON'T FORGET TO REMOVE THE PEEL PLY!!!!! There are horror stories about builders who have done multiple layups and forgot to pull the peel ply off, causing a delamination and structural failure. Don't let it happen to you. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:53:36 -0700 From: george robertson Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. At 01:26 AM 7/24/98 EDT, you wrote: >>><< hi haris >>> a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines >>forward, adding >>> bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am >>moving my >>> wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most >>impact is >>> the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product >>of the >>> force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the >>lift*the moment >>> arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest >>effect. >>> do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up >>with. >>> george > >What are you going to do with the passengers? The standard design plants >your butt in between the two spars, so if you move the wing back, do they >go back too? I assume it would be nice to have the passenger weight on >the center of lift so it wouldn't affect CG, but I don't see how that >could be done with such a design. > >Mike Taglieri >hi mike your right! every change affects something else.i'm struggling with that, but think i prefer a good flying plane to a comfortable seat. george >------------------------------------------------ > 'Mine goes up to 11' >------------------------------------------------ > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:46:41 From: * Flesner * Subject: Re: KR: Taxi testing ===============snip=================================== . Using the mains to get an idea of the CG >location is from my C-207 days. If it (C-207) plopped on its tail while >loaded but came back down on the nose wheel when I climbed in then the CG >was OK. If not you could expect some wild pitch oscillations at cruise. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims =========================snip============================= Mike, I suppose you could get some wild pitch oscillations just taxiing to the runway if the a.c. didn't come back down on the nose wheel !!!!! Also, would you then log it as tail wheel time ?!!!! (tee hee) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:53:17 -0400 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: KR: Re: Kr questions Don et al... I think I figgured out the problem with my boat project's mahogony with a lot of help from you kind folks... I think it's luan door skin material. It looks exactly like a cheap hollow core door that somebody put a fist thru. The glue isn't good, it separates at the bonding and splinters easily. The spar caps are made of the same stuff and in short I have a KR ish construction mock-up and a lot of fittings. I am so glad Bob and others made me take a good look at the material. I bet if I sat in it and made zoom sounds they would be artificial and off-pitch, too. I have a "real" a/c grade boat that isn't as far along, but will not self-destruct with impact or water. So thankful I didn't put time and money into a sinkable boat. Thanks again for the input. The Net WORKS! Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:40:01 -0400 Donald Reid writes: >rdewees@juno.com wrote: >. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply >mahogony at >> only 3 ply? > >My reference, ANC-18, gives tables of data on all the A/C plywood that >was available as of June, 1951. The maximum nominal thickness of the >3-ply is given as 0.185 inches (~3/16"), 5-ply ran from 0.160" to >0.375", 7-ply from 0.410" to .540", etc. I don't know if this list is >all-inclusive. > >In my case, I used a British A/C grade of mahogany for the sides, >3/32" >and 3-ply. The birch is Scandanavian, the 2.5mm (~3/32") is 3-ply. >The >6mm (~1/4") was anywhere from 5-ply to 13-ply. > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:16:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Non KR post Sorry for the non KR post but those of you who are "on the fence" and think a metal project might be for you. Check out this site: http://www.vbe.com/~sonex/ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:22:47 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Taxi testing At 08:46 PM 8/3/98, you wrote: >Mike, >I suppose you could get some wild pitch oscillations just taxiing to the >runway if the a.c. didn't come back down on the nose wheel !!!!!>>> Brace yourself I am getting ready to show how much of idiot I was at times! If the airplane didn't come back down you could usually give it a bit of throttle and the thrust from the engine plus a little brake action would bring it down. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:57:51 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions In a message dated 98-08-03 11:50:53 EDT, you write: << I had the pleasure of having Bob Muse Sr. come out and look at my two Kr2 projects last Friday and he raised a couple of questions that I con't answer since I don't have the history of my projects. The one I am planing on building is made of mahogony plywood and Bob said the workmanship wasn't bad. He did notice immediately that none of the plywood was more than 3 ply.. regardless of thickness. Even teh 5/16 was 3 ply. He says he isn't sure aircraft plywood was ever made to only 3 ply but isn't sure. How about it? Amybody ever see AC ply mahogony at only 3 ply? The second thing he noted was that the wings are covered with a material that looks a lot like burlap. It is not as coarse but doesn't look at all like fiberglass. It was incredibly starved for resin so it's clearly visible. Any ideas what it was ? >> My ply is only three ply. bought from AS&S at $120 per sheet Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:04:41 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kr questions At 11:45 AM 8/3/98 -0700, you wrote: >I had the pleasure of having Bob Muse Sr. come out and look at my two Kr2 >projects last Friday and he raised a couple of questions that I con't >answer since I don't have the history of my projects. > If any KR head hasn't met Bob they should make it a point to do so. >He was extremely helpful and drove about an hour to come see my wood >scraps. I can't wait to see his KR. His whole outlook is to keep it >simple, light and follow the plans. > >Your help appreciated, >Ron DeWees >Atlanta, Ga > Yea, I know, I pretty proud of him myself! Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:19:31 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: project update- Jim Hills KR2(s) KRNetHeads, Here's another project for you check out. Jim Hill is about to get his KR2 back together, reincarnated as a KR2S with trigear. He hopes to test fly in the next few weeks. He's one of the regulars at the Gatherings. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/jhill.html. I'm still trying to get over the experience of standing a few feet away from his 54x52 prop at 3100 rpm. You guys never told me it was gonna be like this... mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:58:45 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: KR: KR-1B Dear KR-1B netters, I just unpacked a new scanner and put it to work!! A some-what picture of a KR-1B can now be seen as well as read about at: http://geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/2032/ Check it out. Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:38:52 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: I dont usually nag but,...... At 10:19 PM 8/3/98 -0500, you wrote: <<< It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/jhill.html. >>> When you post a URL in your email try to put a hard return after the url and not a period. Guess what happens when I click on the URL? "URL not found" Until I get rid of the period anyway. So are you ready to sell your KR and build a Sonex? John Monett is on the right track once again! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:17:13 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: The closest thing to a KR-2S Hi, What exactly are you looking for. Also, what kind of data you have of airplanes you mentioned? Thanks Haris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:22:18 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: KR: T-88 epoxy mix ratio (by weight)? Hi, By vol. the mix ratio is 50/50. I weighed same cups of both resin and hardner and found out the ratio by weight to be 46% dark stuff and 54% light stuff. Is that correct? Haris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:27:50 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-1B In a message dated 98-08-04 00:47:11 EDT, you write: << I just unpacked a new scanner and put it to work!! A some-what picture of a KR-1B can now be seen as well as read about at: http://geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/2032/ >> Darin: I just checked it out and the second image was black...good info though. Thanks for posting it. If you are coming to KRKosh in Perry, maybe you could bring the motoglider wing plan supplements/manual for us less fortunate to give the once over...thanks Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA mailto: BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:55:37 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Re: T-88 epoxy mix ratio (by weight)? Haris, Wicks lists the weight ratio as 100:83. Dean >Hi, > >By vol. the mix ratio is 50/50. I weighed same cups of both resin and hardner >and found out the ratio by weight to be 46% dark stuff and 54% light stuff. Is >that correct? > >Haris > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:39:25 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: I dont usually nag but,...... Mike Mims wrote: > When you post a URL in your email try to put a hard return after > the url and > not a period. Guess what happens when I click on the URL? "URL > not found" > Until I get rid of the period anyway. I used to do that out of common sense, but then discovered in Microsoft's Outlook that it's smart enough to ignore periods that have nothing after them. It turns the URL blue, but leaves the period black. I then made that spectacular leap of faith that other software was as smart. It won't happen again... They were giving Outlook away in May, but charge for it now, or it's part of Office 97 and 98, I think. mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:05:18 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Carbon Fiber KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > > Haven't got anybody to bite on the epoxy/vinyl ester or vinyl/epoxy thing yet. > Which one can you do? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, You can put epoxy over anything, but you cant put anything but epoxy over epoxy. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:13 -0400 From: "Griffing, Bruce F (CRD)" Subject: KR: RE: Re: Oshkosh Update Netters- I was at Oshkosh also. I expected to see Tom Crawford's KR, but did not. Otherwise it was a great weekend! Good weather and more airplanes than I have ever seen at one time. Bruce Griffing > ---------- > From: Mike Filbrandt[SMTP:redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 9:00 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Re: Oshkosh Update > > John, > > I know what you mean. I was there looking for a few KR's to look at also. I did see one other KR-2 > that was just a row or two further down from the tri-gear model. Was owned by a gent named Greg. > Plane was very well done. I guess I also will have to go to Perry to see a few KR's. > > Did get a chance to meet Steve Bennett & take a look at the unit he's working on to put the prop on > a VW on the rear of the engine. Really looks like the answer to life for those of us w/ VW motors. > > > > > Blue Skies, > > Mike > KR-1 > Sparta, Wi. > redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net > -----Original Message----- > From: jeroffey > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 9:17 PM > Subject: KR: Oshkosh Update > > > >Just got back from Oshkosh. Great place for Warbird Fans; no place for > >homebuilders unless your in the very wellheeled group. > >Had to be the HOTTEST DUSTIEST DRYEST year I have ever been exposed to yet. > >Saw three KRS, one older trike and Dave Christansons' beautiful example and > >one in the Fly Market on a trailer (very sad) called Tennesee Terror. > >Did See the Lionheart fly and of course the Concord, can't get enough of > >that, and more warbirds than anyone knew existed. > >Nice two hour flights both ways. Filed IFR and was handed to the tower on a > >one mile final to runwy 27 straight in, the only way to go. > >Guess I'll have to come to Perry to see KR's. > >John Roffey > >jeroffey@tir.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:18:17 -0500 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: KR: outlook 98 Sorry for the un-kr post, but anyone that is interested in a free copy of outlook, (downloaded it off the web free) I don't' know for sure if they are charging yet, but I'll give anyone a full copy of it zipped up. More info email me direct. Nate Smyre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:11:25 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: I dont usually nag but,...... > I used to do that out of common sense, but then discovered in Microsoft's Outlook that it's smart enough to ignore periods that have nothing after them. It turns the URL blue, but leaves the period black. I then made that spectacular leap of faith that other software was as smart. It won't happen again... > > They give IE away too but that aint gona make me use it! :o) I guess my poor ole dumb 32 bit Eudora just doesn't know what to do about periods. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:06:16 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: T-88 epoxy mix ratio (by weight)? HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > By vol. the mix ratio is 50/50. I weighed same cups of both resin and hardner > and found out the ratio by weight to be 46% dark stuff and 54% light stuff. Is that correct? > > Don't mix it by weight and you will be just right! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:05:41 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Days Inn Perry G'Day Neters Didn't realize so many would be coming to Perry. Just called Days Inn about reservation. Was told they would not accept reservation unless I was willing to pay for Tuesday night through Friday night. A bit greedy, don't you think. Will drive an hour and a half to my daughter's home and get free rack and breakfast Saturday. Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:12:23 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: T-88 epoxy mix ratio (by weight)? Seems like it would be a little more accurate to mix by weight (grams would be the easiest). It seems that the hardener is always a little thicker than the resin, so when I squeeze them out of the container, it's a bit hard to tell how much you got of each because the resin flows out on the mixing surface at a faster rate. The weight ratio should be close to 5 grams hardener (dark stuff) to 6 grams resin (light stuff). Ed Janssen At 08:06 AM 8/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >HAshraf@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By vol. the mix ratio is 50/50. I weighed same cups of both resin and hardner >> and found out the ratio by weight to be 46% dark stuff and 54% light stuff. Is that correct? >> >> > >Don't mix it by weight and you will be just right! :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:56:46 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Just Blabbing Net Heads. Well its been too darn hot at the airport in the last 30 days to get anything done on the airplane not to mention I have been playing a lot of roller hockey with my kids. But I have been able to do a lot of work on the engine at my house. The cylinders are almost finished with only a few more valves to seat and then Dana's super duper paint system to be applied. This weekend I plan to build a motor mount jig out of plywood and drop it off at the welder. I am hoping he can weld up a mount within the next 30 days. I also need to flip the airplane over one last time to finish up the wing tips and to seal up the fuel tank on the pilots side. A guy dropped by the hanger the other day to give me his business card, seems he and his buddies will fill and sand the rest of my airplane at a reasonable rate. Humm,.... I might just hire them. Sure would be nice to come back to a finished airframe one morning. Well at least one that only needs primer! Things I hope to have done by the end of Sept., airplane filled, sanded and primed. Engine mounted and some accessories hooked up. Cowling made and primed. By Nov. I should have all the engine accessories hooked up and tested, prop mounted, fuel system hooked up and tested, most of the instruments installed. In Jan. I want to start taxi testing. Were getting there, a little slower than I first thought but were getting there! :o) If it flies before Mar 1999 it will have been almost 3 years from start to first flight. Considering I did very little during the summer months (June - Aug) thats not too bad. I think if a guy could work on it year around and put in a good 18 hours a week this is about a 2 year project, that comes out to a little over 1800 hours. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:56:36 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Days Inn Perry Seems odd to me. I called last saturday (3 days ago) and was not told to do that. Ron Lee At 03:05 PM 8/4/98 CST, you wrote: >G'Day Neters > >Didn't realize so many would be coming to Perry. > >Just called Days Inn about reservation. Was >told they would not accept reservation unless I >was willing to pay for Tuesday night through >Friday night. > >A bit greedy, don't you think. > >Will drive an hour and a half to my daughter's >home and get free rack and breakfast Saturday. > >Rex Ellington >Rex T. Ellington >ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:14:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Flying to Perry? Ron are you flying your KR this year? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #134 *****************************