From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, August 14, 1998 10:04 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #136 krnet-l-digest Friday, August 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 136 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:32:59 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Question for you taildragger pilots At 09:34 PM 8/10/98 -0600, you wrote: >Is this likely correct and would putting a spring (both sides) or slack >in the tailwheel cables make it less sensitive? Elaboration on amount >of slack or specifics on the strength of a spring are welcome. > >Ron Lee > Well I have always flown tailwheel planes that have springs but I have heard a few KR pilots say the slack cables allow the plane to wonder too much, but then again most every KR you see has slack cables. One thing to remember, you are doing the hardest part (taxiing around at medium to slow speeds). Soon you will be taxiing a lot less because you will be doing what the plane was made for,... FLYING! So don't sweat the small taxi issues. PS Be careful with that turbo, you will need lots of fuel when the boost comes on, leaning for taxi is OK but if you want HP you will need a full rich setting then lean with caution. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:54:13 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Question for you taildragger pilots In a message dated 98-08-10 23:43:07 EDT, you write: << The result is that every rudder movement acts on the tailwheel. It is my impression that this makes control during taxi runs somewhat twitchy. >> Ron, you're also going to feel every rock, every irregularity and/or homeless person laying on the runway (no flames, only a joke.....oh no I said to joke word). Mike is right in that you will find that high'er speed taxiing will be more difficult than pouring the power too it and raising the tail on your takeoff run. Now I am not endorsing doing this right away, like they say on South Park.....OK. Back to the original question. Using a compression spring with stainless link chain so that you can add or remove links to get the feel to your liking is the way that I have found to be the most satisfactory method. You don't want it to be overly twitchy or so sloppy that the tail is always lagging behind and you're always trying to find it. Good Luck, just keep playing with it until you find what feels good......kinda like a wife :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:27:08 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Question for you taildragger pilots Ron, I don't pretend to know diddly about tailwheels, but just as another data point, Troy Petteway has no springs, and no slack. He just picks up the tail and goes, and he likes it that way. His lack of draggy springs is just another of the 100 reasons his is one of the fastest KRs. I think I'll do mine the same way, and learn to operate it. It's probably all in what you're used to (kinda like pitch sensitivity)... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:06:03 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details I'm about to build my center section spars and after looking over the manual and drawings am wondering if there were any updates that I missed. It seems to me that the center section is the same as the KR-2. However some people have used birch and some mahogany. Was that just personal preference? (Birch being stronger but heavier) Any other details that I'm missing? Thanks, Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:16:32 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: FW: check rides This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDC500.5A0D12C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Jim Sellars: - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sellars [mailto:jsellars@mon.auracom.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 8:05 AM To: langford@hiwaay.net Subject: check rides Mark: How do I access the group for info on where the KR's of the world are located? I will be in southern Ontario next week for a couple and was wondering about talking to someone there about a check ride. For that matter I got to drive through Quebec too, is there anyone out there who could help me? 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDC500.5A0D12C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:18:30 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details Richard, I think Birch is what's called out, and that's what I'd use. Are you going for a built in dihedral? Maybe for an 18%? Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of Richard Parker > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 8:06 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details > > > I'm about to build my center section spars and after looking over the > manual and drawings am wondering if there were any updates that I > missed. It seems to me that the center section is the same as > the KR-2. > However some people have used birch and some mahogany. Was that just > personal preference? (Birch being stronger but heavier) > > Any other details that I'm missing? > > Thanks, > > > > Richard E. Parker > Jaffrey, NH > richontheroad@hotmail.com > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:59:18 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: RE: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details >I think Birch is what's called out, and that's what I'd use. Are you going >for a built in dihedral? Maybe for an 18%? > >Mark Langford >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford I havent made my final decision yet. I'm going to spend a good deal of time over the next few days looking at all the options. The 18% is tempting. Steve Ebehart did a great job on the sample wings. It also helped greatly by seeing Troys new stub wings. I just dont know yet if I'll chicken out and use the Raf 48. What good ideas have you come up with for the dihedral? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:16:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: RE: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Richard Parker wrote: > > > >I think Birch is what's called out, and that's what I'd use. Are you > going > >for a built in dihedral? Maybe for an 18%? > > > >Mark Langford > >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > I havent made my final decision yet. I'm going to spend a good deal of > time over the next few days looking at all the options. The 18% is > tempting. Steve Ebehart did a great job on the sample wings. It also > helped greatly by seeing Troys new stub wings. I just dont know yet if > I'll chicken out and use the Raf 48. > I think Troy will have his plane flying before the snow flies. I think I would be tempted to wait to make a decision on the AS504x vis-a-vis the RAF48 until after he test flies the new airfoil. Mark Lougheed and I have been playing around with a Mathcad worksheet to calculate the spar cap and shear web thickness for both composite and wood box spars. There should be some engineering data soon on spar sizing for the 18% wing. The thicker wing lets you build a lighter spar for the same strength. Every pound helps as long as you don't compromise strength, i.e SAFETY. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author Once you have the Coroners report, why keep kicking the poor dead horse --Steve Eberhart, 1998 When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci Legal Disclamer: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:54:10 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details WARRON GRAY WG447 KR2S WHEN USING BIRCH UNLESS YOUR PLANS WERE UPDATED THE SPACING BETWEEN the vertical spruce where the spars go through is not wide enough . i had to cut and fit to get the spars in check the clearances ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:00:05 -0400 From: "Randy & Wanda Teems" Subject: KR: please remove me fom your krnet i don't have the time ! thank you for your time. ART TEEMS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:35:34 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Re: Question for you taildragger pilots Good data point. But a contrary one is that Troy is a mucho better pilot than I am. In order to advance to something remotely close to his level of competency, I need to get over this first flight barrier. To that end, today I ordered the springs I need from AS and should get them Thursday. Hopefully they will be installed Friday in time for high speed runs this weekend. Ron "Can't get it up (the tail of course)" Lee At 07:27 AM 8/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ron, > >I don't pretend to know diddly about tailwheels, but just as another data >point, Troy Petteway has no springs, and no slack. He just picks up the >tail and goes, and he likes it that way. His lack of draggy springs is just >another of the 100 reasons his is one of the fastest KRs. I think I'll do >mine the same way, and learn to operate it. It's probably all in what >you're used to (kinda like pitch sensitivity)... > >Mark Langford >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:46:12 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: VW engine for sale This was posted in a newsgroup. I also saw it on an email list...perhaps the VW list. If it was posted here before, my apology for the repeat. Ron Lee Hi, I have just removed my Revmaster 2100DQ from my Q2 and would like to sell it. The engine has 400 hrs total time and at least a partial rebuild in the previous 75 hours. I am the second owner. My understanding of the engine's history is that it has been on the Q2 since new. The heads were replaced with the 75 hp Revmaster heads at around 300 hour mark. A partial rebuild (at least) was performed around the 325 hour mark due to a prop strike (tips only). It is my understanding that Revmaster did the repair work (at the 325 hour mark). I performed a compression check prior to removing the engine. The check was done using a typical automotive type compression gauge and cranking the engine with the starter. All cylinders showed 120 psi. A leak down test was not performed. I am replacing the engine with a direct drive, turbo'd EA-81 Subaru. I was not satisfied with the performance of my Q2 with this engine. The Revmaster always ran fine and smooth but never developed the power that I wanted. I fly an over powered Quickie 1 and wanted the Q2 to fly the same way (hot rod). The only problems that I experienced with the engine over the last 60 hours have been a vibrating spinner (required a front plate) and two stripped plug holes (I heli-coiled them). The engine is complete firewall forward. Intake, Revflow carb, exhaust (4 into 1), baffles, prop (56x43), dual mags, starter, oil cooler, Q2 motor mounts, and alternator (w/regulator) are all included. I am asking $2500.00 for the engine, as is. The purchaser must pay for shipping, I will package for free. I can deliver the engine (free) the end of August to anyone along the Minneapolis to Denver to Las Angeles highway route or Minneapolis to Kansas City route over Labor Day weekend. I have posted three pictures at: http://www.gksys.com/qba/rev-top.JPG http://www.gksys.com/qba/rev-carb.JPG http://www.gksys.com/qba/rev-exhaust.JPG Thanks, Jon Finley Bloomington, MN (612) 888-3093 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:24:31 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details In a message dated 98-08-11 09:08:35 EDT, you write: << I'm about to build my center section spars and after looking over the manual and drawings am wondering if there were any updates that I missed. It seems to me that the center section is the same as the KR-2. However some people have used birch and some mahogany. Was that just personal preference? (Birch being stronger but heavier) Any other details that I'm missing? Thanks, Richard E. Parker >> Birch is stronger an Mahogany lighter. I am planning to use birch for center and mahogany for outboard spars. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:26:15 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details In a message dated 98-08-11 09:20:12 EDT, you write: << Richard, I think Birch is what's called out, and that's what I'd use. Are you going for a built in dihedral? Maybe for an 18%? Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> I saw some 'red' spars sitting at RR factory. Maybe they are for the KR1. I'll double check when I go there next time. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:39:21 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details >I'm about to build my center section spars and after looking over the >manual and drawings am wondering if there were any updates that I >missed. It seems to me that the center section is the same as the KR-2. >However some people have used birch and some mahogany. Was that just >personal preference? (Birch being stronger but heavier) > >Any other details that I'm missing? >Richard E. Parker Jeanette Rand has been advising builders to use Birch for the spars for quite a while for the strength gains. The orientation is important. The grain needs to be running up and down relative to the spars length, that is, the spar is E-W and the plywood grain goes N-S. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:04:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details At 07:39 AM 8/11/98 -0800, you wrote:> >Jeanette Rand has been advising builders to use Birch for the spars for >quite a while for the strength gains. The orientation is important. The >grain needs to be running up and down relative to the spars length, that >is, the spar is E-W and the plywood grain goes N-S. > >Robert Covington > > Darn I had my spar aligned with N-S and the grain was facing E-W when I aplyed the shear web! Darn IT!!! :o) INteresting enough almost all other material I have read said to apply the plywood shear web at a 45 but not the KR plans! Whats up with that? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:40:33 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: PERRYKOSH or BUST! >The hotel situation looks kinda grim. The place I reserved a room >is only $27.12/night. So either it's a great deal, or it's just a >cheap motel. (Dan D Motel) -- Thanks to Rick for the post. I stayed there last year. It is a small (maybe 25 rooms) facility but was fine in my opinion. Frankly I would have stayed there if I knew I could have gotten a ride to/from the airport. I would recommend a room in the main U-shaped portion. The other side faces some railroad tracks and I noticed numerous trains during the night. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:46 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: PERRYKOSH or BUST! I will Have a rental car with me and will carry some back and forth to the airport. And I won't have kids with me this year as I did last year. Who all is going this year how about posting if you are coming. Tom Stokes at Reno NV The hotel situation looks kinda grim. The place I reserved a room is only $27.12/night. So either it's a great deal, or it's just a cheap motel. (Dan D Motel) -- Thanks to Rick for the post. I stayed there last year. It is a small (maybe 25 rooms) facility but was fine in my opinion. Frankly I would have stayed there if I knew I could have gotten a ride to/from the airport. I would recommend a room in the main U-shaped portion. The other side faces some railroad tracks and I noticed numerous trains during the night. Ron _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:39:55 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: PERRYKOSH or BUST! On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:46 -0700 tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) writes: >I will Have a rental car with me and will carry some back and forth to >the airport. And I won't have kids with me this year as I did last >year. Who all is going this year how about posting if you are coming. >Tom Stokes at Reno NV > I'll be there again this year as well as my friend with the Hummelbird. Also at least two others from the area either driving or hitching a ride in a certified plane. We'll all be over at the Days Inn. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:09:17 EDT From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: its A girl!!!!! We now have a new future aviator..... Rebecca Marie Perkins was born on July 17 th at 9:30 pm. She weighed 7 lbs 13 ozs. and was 19 inches long. Wonder if she will like airplanes ????? Praise be to the Lord above for this healthy presious gift.... Mother is doing great, Dad dosnt sleep at night. See Ya, Lloyd _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:09:17 EDT From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: unsuscribe Unsuscribe for now... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:03:24 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details >At 07:39 AM 8/11/98 -0800, you wrote:> >>Jeanette Rand has been advising builders to use Birch for the spars for >>quite a while for the strength gains. The orientation is important. The >>grain needs to be running up and down relative to the spars length, that >>is, the spar is E-W and the plywood grain goes N-S. >> >>Robert Covington >> >> >Darn I had my spar aligned with N-S and the grain was facing E-W when I >aplyed the shear web! Darn IT!!! :o) Thatsa funny. :) > >INteresting enough almost all other material I have read said to apply the >plywood shear web at a 45 but not the KR plans! Whats up with that? >Micheal Mims This is because orientation affects static stability dynamics. If it was 45 degrees, it would upset the magnetism in the spar causing a gravitational distortion that would make the KR fly a little more calmly. The 90 degree orientation is maintained so that the fields stay more evenly aligned with The Vortex, so that people in Sedona , AZ don't suffer a loss from tourism. You heard it here first. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:12:17 -0500 From: flyer@clas.net Subject: Re: KR: its A girl!!!!! Lloyd, Congratulations ... I'm sure Rebecca will like airplanes as much as her pop does!!! Bruce Watkins Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > We now have a new future aviator..... Rebecca Marie Perkins was born on > July 17 th at 9:30 pm. She weighed 7 lbs 13 ozs. and was 19 inches long. > > Wonder if she will like airplanes ????? > Praise be to the Lord above for this healthy presious gift.... > Mother is doing great, Dad dosnt sleep at night. > > See Ya, > Lloyd > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - -- RagWing Special # 392 http://www.clas.net/~flyer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:40:41 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: its A girl!!!!! Lloyd: Congratulations! It seems like a few months ago that my daughter was born and now she is 26 and havinfg a baby of her own in October. Hope you enjoy your blessed gift. Sleep will eventually come. Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:32:40 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: its A girl!!!!!........boy!!!!!! Congradgulations Lloyd, I can relate to "dad's" sleep problem! My 7lb. 11oz, 20 1/2" son was born 7 weeks ago... Benjamin Connor West. He already makes "airplane" noises all night. Darrin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:22:52 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: RE: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details On the 2S drawings it just says 2.5 mm plywood. Taking that literally I've never seen 2.5 mm mahog however in a couple of other areas it says its ok to use 3/32 instead of 2.5 mm. I've got to buy it anyway so I'll go with the cheaper and stronger ( but heavier) Birch. Rich Parker > I think Birch is what's called out, and that's what I'd use. Are you going > for a built in dihedral? Maybe for an 18%? >I saw some 'red' spars sitting at RR factory. Maybe they are for the KR1. I'll >double check when I go there next time. > >Haris > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:27:55 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details In a message dated 98-08-11 22:39:26 EDT, you write: << Jeanette Rand has been advising builders to use Birch for the spars for quite a while for the strength gains. The orientation is important. The grain needs to be running up and down relative to the spars length, that is, the spar is E-W and the plywood grain goes N-S. Robert Covington >> Birch is probably better. The weight gain is very little. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:47:37 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details In a message dated 98-08-11 23:21:53 EDT, you write: << INteresting enough almost all other material I have read said to apply the plywood shear web at a 45 but not the KR plans! Whats up with that? >> Strojnik has an interesting experiment. Grab two edges of a 8.5"x11" paper and pull it tight (gently). Then introduce some shear by pulling the edges by moving your hand away from each other. You will see waves forming in the paper. The grain of the shear web should be such that it resists that. That would be \\\\\\\|fuse|/////// as the top spar is in compression and is trying to move into the fuselage. I can dig the book up and bring it to the airport if you want. Thanks Haris One side frame done (maybe!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:09:29 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Europa website Can someone let me know what the url is for that great europa construction site is in Australia? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:33:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Europa website On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Richard Parker wrote: > Can someone let me know what the url is for that great europa > construction site is in Australia? > It is Tony Krzyzewski's web site and can be reached at: http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/272index.html Everyone building a homebuild aircraft needs to look at this web site. Especially if you are doing anything with composites. THe new wing design for the KR-2s that I am working on very closely follows the Europa design so his page would be a pseudo construction manual for it. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author Once you have the Coroners report, why keep kicking the poor dead horse --Steve Eberhart, 1998 When once you have tasted flight you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always be. --Leonardo da Vinci Legal Disclamer: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:24:58 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details HAshraf@aol.com wrote: The grain of the shear web should be such that it resists that. That > would be > > \\\\\\\|fuse|/////// > > as the top spar is in compression and is trying to move into the fuselage. Thats exactly how I have seen it on other plans. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:10:23 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Piano hinge material If using piano hinge material to fasten turtledeck and/or forward deck to fuselage, does it require extruded or just "regular?" I understand the need for the extruded when actually using it for hinges (e.g. ailerons, etc.) but was wondering if just the regular bent type would be strong enough to hold on the two "decks." Comments appreciated. Thanks. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:28:46 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: Piano hinge material Bob Maniss wrote: > If using piano hinge material to fasten turtledeck and/or forward deck > to fuselage, does it require extruded or just "regular?" Bob, I used the rolled kind, instead of extruded. The decks are non-structural, so as long as they don't come flying off, you'll be OK. Make sure you tape over the hinge pin area when you are epoxying anywhere near by. It only takes a little to mess it all up... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:54:41 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: N56ML project update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDC782.B41B3600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KrNetHeads, I finally got around to updating my web page somewhat, splitting the wings into stub wings and outboard wings. The outboard wing stuff is all new and is where you'll find my latest update, which details outboard spar mounting, dihedral, washout, and wing skin creation. It's at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html , I hope. If you don't think it's clear enough, email me and I'll work on it some more. The stub wing stuff is also finally all in one place and reorganzed as well. Tomorrow we take Jim Hill's stretched KR to the airport. Troy Petteway has volunteered to do the first (during this incarnation) flight... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDC782.B41B3600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
KrNetHeads,
 
I=20 finally got around to updating my web page somewhat, splitting the wings = into=20 stub wings and outboard wings.  The outboard wing stuff is all new = and is=20 where you'll find my latest update,  which details outboard spar = mounting,=20 dihedral, washout, and wing skin creation.  It's at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html , I = hope.  If=20 you don't think it's clear enough, email me and I'll work on it some = more. =20 The stub wing stuff is also finally all in one place and reorganzed as=20 well.
 
Tomorrow we take Jim Hill's stretched KR to the airport.  = Troy=20 Petteway has volunteered to do the first (during this incarnation)=20 flight...

Mark Langford =
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

 
- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BDC782.B41B3600-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:05:36 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: PERRYKOSH or BUST! Jeff, I'm in the days Inn and will have my car there. Rich Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:08:46 -0700 tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) > writes: > >I will Have a rental car with me and will carry some back and forth to > >the airport. And I won't have kids with me this year as I did last > >year. Who all is going this year how about posting if you are coming. > >Tom Stokes at Reno NV > > > > I'll be there again this year as well as my friend with the Hummelbird. > Also at least two others from the area either driving or hitching a ride > in a certified plane. We'll all be over at the Days Inn. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:32:17 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Piano hinge material One of my buddies is going to use either an alum. T beam bolted to the fuse top longeron the tee lying on it's side wide top of tee on outside of fuse. on inside back of turtle deck and boot cowl a flat strip with nut plates is used tocinch the turtle deck down. the outside of the "T" hides the seam. if not , the regular non extruded hinges on my buddies kr2 elongated the holeson his canopy hinge. suggest you use extruded even though no load is carried there is lift generated from low pressure area ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:01:52 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: cut-rate KR2S composite parts? KRSkinHeads, I saw an ad in the "Aviator's bulletin" (mouthpiece for Aviation Products, who manufactures the new tailwheel that has become darling of the tailwheel set) selling "demo and factory seconds" for KR2S composite parts. It was placed by Rick Hinson of Hinson Composites who does the RR composite parts. His phone number is 805-933-2784. Who knows, he may have lots of "demo" skins, turtledecks, cowlings, and canopy frames... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:04:10 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: cut-rate KR2S composite parts? Do tell more about the tailwheel. Is it similar or "better" than the one from AS&S (or the manufacturer) that was recently mentioned? I ordered my tailwheel spring kit Tuesday fro AS&S with TWO DAY express delivery. As of Friday, it has still not arrived. Not sure whether to blame AS&S or UPS...or both. Ron "Twitchy Tailwheel" Lee At 09:01 PM 8/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >KRSkinHeads, > >I saw an ad in the "Aviator's bulletin" (mouthpiece for Aviation Products, >who manufactures the new tailwheel that has become darling of the tailwheel >set) selling "demo and factory seconds" for KR2S composite parts. It was >placed by Rick Hinson of Hinson Composites who does the RR composite parts. >His phone number is 805-933-2784. Who knows, he may have lots of "demo" >skins, turtledecks, cowlings, and canopy frames... > >Mark Langford >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:49:54 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: cut-rate KR2S composite parts? Ron "Twitchy Tailwheel" Lee wrote: > Do tell more about the tailwheel. Is it similar or "better" than the > one from AS&S (or the manufacturer) that was recently mentioned? The tailwheel is the same full swivel "break-away" model, but $53 cheaper direct from the source. I really hate to tell you that, but don't feel bad, you're in good company...and I wouldn't have know the real source if Mike Mims, Jeff, and Dana hadn't bought one first. Aviation products has some other neat stuff, and can be reached at 805-646-6042. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:04:28 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: cut-rate KR2S composite parts? At 10:49 PM 8/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >The tailwheel is the same full swivel "break-away" model, but $53 cheaper direct from the source. I really hate to tell you that, but don't feel bad, you're in good company...and I wouldn't have know the real source if Mike Mims, Jeff, and Dana hadn't bought one first. Aviation products has some other neat stuff, and can be reached at 805-646-6042. > > Not to mention that we here in California know if it cost more it has to be better,... so my tailwheel unit IS obviously better than any other unit purchased at a lower cost! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #136 *****************************