From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 6:12 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #142 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, August 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 142 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:32:27 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: FW: Subaru Engine & VW At last check the nsi redrive was $2150.00. they seem to back up their merchandise. friend sent his back 2.5 years after purchase . had a lockup failure and they repired and updated for"0". and this was not s.makish's drive. so far they have stood up to their coverage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:38:52 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Another KR for sale For you old timers, I understand that that's Kerry Vaughn's old KR-2 - VERY well done. Saw it at Covington, TN KR Gathering a few years back when he drove 'er down from Canada. Ed Janssen At 06:52 AM 8/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >This from a newsgroup. Email Harold for details..not me. > >1988 tri-gear KR-2 for sale. "Great looker" >430 TT AC & Engine >Limbach , 80hp engine >130kts on 3.5 gph >VHF,Loran (?!),X-pndr/mode C >intercom, Nav Lights,strobe,always hangered, >Dan Diehl wings >Located near Montreal, Canada >Asking US $ 12000.00, neg > >For info and or pictures, e-mail Harold direct at > >mailto:haroldp@sympatico.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:26:13 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: rudder size? Mark Langford wrote: > > RudderHeads, > > I really hate to set off another flurry of KR traffic, but I'm wondering > about KR rudder size. Troy says he thinks it has way too much, and that he > never uses but a small fraction of it. Yet I think I remember others saying > it doesn't have enough. Could you real KR pilots cast your vote one way or > the other on that subject? I'm trying to decide how to do my rudder > balance, whether an aerodynamic with lead is the way to go or not (not that > I can think of any OTHER way!). Hey, I could use a little more lead in my > tail anyway... > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford Mark, The only time I use much of it is while slipping or on crosswind landings. I have used most all of it while slipping- it really drops fast if slipped aggressivly. In normal flight, you dont really need more than a slight pressure on the rudder pedal. My rudder was built to plans. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:43:49 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Test, I hope Hello, KRNet I don't seem to be able to post to the Net. This is a test! Hey Warron- you said that your opinion is only worth two cents, and that if everybody took your opinion, you would be king. But remember- in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man IS king! Which is to say that your info on soobs is useful! Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:04:31 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) Levelheads, I was taking a break after working on my project this weekend and something occurred to me. Everyone seem to be setting level at different locations and to me it seems that 90 degrees to the center section main spar would be level(at least on my airplane it is). Am I on dope here or is it really that simple? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:20:25 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Test, I hope Oscar, Admit it, your a diehard soob fan. and your test works fine. Dave Moore At 06:43 AM 8/25/98 PDT, you wrote: >Hello, KRNet > >I don't seem to be able to post to the Net. This is a test! > >Hey Warron- you said that your opinion is only worth two cents, and that >if everybody took your opinion, you would be king. But remember- in the >land of the blind, the one-eyed man IS king! Which is to say that your >info on soobs is useful! > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, OR > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nv. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:52:52 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Test, I hope In a message dated 98-08-25 09:45:56 EDT, you write: << Which is to say that your info on soobs is useful! >> That is if you want to use a..........................soob..................there I said it :-)) Only a joke, only a joke, only a joke----there I said that three times so don't anyone get mad. Mike, I saw your pictures of the engine, how did the "painting" go? VWub forever, he, he, he. I just fired it up agian for the heck of it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:24:42 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Test, I hope Thanks Oscar i needed that plus.. i figure since my partners have been FLYING SOOBS for over four years that maybe we learned a little bit. since the non soob flyers don't know soobs and future soobers want to know i figured i can help a little.Warron in flat lawdy dale fl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:26:10 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Engine Painting KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > Mike, I saw your pictures of the engine, how did the "painting" go? > > Dana Overall It went pretty good. I used your (very messy) :o) technique on the heads and jugs but I went with old fashion red spray paint on the engine cases. I need to snap a picture of the cases next time I am at the airport. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:57:13 -0400 From: Harold P Subject: Re: KR: Another KR for sale - --------------74A985289F6C61432992DA84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ed, Now I remember, it was you that mentioned the fact about CGKAV KR-2 to me.(Kerry A Vaughn) Indeed the plane is well done; I have received many inquiries, but as of today the plane is still available---US $12 000 NEGOTIABLE. Harold Ed Janssen wrote: > For you old timers, I understand that that's Kerry Vaughn's old KR-2 - VERY > well done. Saw it at Covington, TN KR Gathering a few years back when he > drove 'er down from Canada. > > Ed Janssen > > At 06:52 AM 8/23/98 -0600, you wrote: > >This from a newsgroup. Email Harold for details..not me. > > > >1988 tri-gear KR-2 for sale. "Great looker" > >430 TT AC & Engine > >Limbach , 80hp engine > >130kts on 3.5 gph > >VHF,Loran (?!),X-pndr/mode C > >intercom, Nav Lights,strobe,always hangered, > >Dan Diehl wings > >Located near Montreal, Canada > >Asking US $ 12000.00, neg > > > >For info and or pictures, e-mail Harold direct at > > > >mailto:haroldp@sympatico.ca > > > > > > > > > > - --------------74A985289F6C61432992DA84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ed,

Now I remember, it was you that mentioned the fact about CGKAV KR-2 to me.(Kerry A Vaughn)

Indeed the plane is well done; I have received many inquiries, but as of today the plane is

still available---US $12 000 NEGOTIABLE.

Harold

Ed Janssen wrote:

For you old timers, I understand that that's Kerry Vaughn's old KR-2 - VERY
well done.  Saw it at Covington, TN KR Gathering a few years back when he
drove 'er down from Canada.

Ed Janssen

At 06:52 AM 8/23/98 -0600, you wrote:
>This from a newsgroup. Email Harold for details..not me.
>
>1988 tri-gear KR-2 for sale. "Great looker"
>430 TT AC & Engine
>Limbach , 80hp engine
>130kts on 3.5 gph
>VHF,Loran (?!),X-pndr/mode C
>intercom, Nav Lights,strobe,always hangered,
>Dan Diehl wings
>Located near Montreal, Canada
>Asking US $ 12000.00, neg
>
>For info and or pictures, e-mail Harold direct at
>
>mailto:haroldp@sympatico.ca
>
>
>
>
>

  - --------------74A985289F6C61432992DA84-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:28:34 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: Re: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) Mike, I don't think the front face of the spar is any more level than the longerons, after all, those verticals are exactly 90 degrees to the longeron area directly above them. I think the level reference should be the firewall itself. Every point on the upper longeron has some kind of difference from level because the longeron is bowed, and the sides are angled. With each of us bowing our fuselages differently, and the top of the longerons are sanded differently at each point, no two longerons will be the same incidence. Incidences look very different when measured from the firewall, which is not 90 deg to anything. It would be very interesting to measure 90 deg from the firewall at the top of the firewall, and see how high from horizontal each of our stabilizers fall. I guarantee you that no two stabilizer heights are the same. The stabilizer height differences would be caused by the differences in bowing the sides, and that would influence the true incidence of the fuselage and stabilizer (without any compensating shims) in cruise. If the incidence of the fuselage is negative to the firewall, then you actually have upthrust in the engine at level. - -Tom "Incidence" Andersen - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 12:07 PM Subject: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) >Levelheads, I was taking a break after working on my project this >weekend and something occurred to me. Everyone seem to be setting level >at different locations and to me it seems that 90 degrees to the center >section main spar would be level(at least on my airplane it is). Am I >on dope here or is it really that simple? >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:45:44 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) At 08:28 PM 8/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Mike, >I don't think the front face of the spar is any more level than the >longerons, after all, those verticals are exactly 90 degrees to the longeron area directly above them. I think the level reference should be the firewall itself. >>> I think I have to disagree with that, the firewall is FAR from 90 degrees from level. The two vertical members on each side of the main spar will have the least amount of error of any of the vertical members because that's the widest point in the arc of the top longerons. Well at least on my airplane. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:01:45 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) >At 08:28 PM 8/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Mike, >>I don't think the front face of the spar is any more level than the >>longerons, after all, those verticals are exactly 90 degrees to the >longeron area directly above them. I think the level reference should be the >firewall itself. >>> > >I think I have to disagree with that, the firewall is FAR from 90 degrees >from level. The two vertical members on each side of the main spar will >have the least amount of error of any of the vertical members because that's >the widest point in the arc of the top longerons. Well at least on my >airplane. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net Mike, I think you are right. This is probably why people have been getting strange flying KR's for years. The missing Ken Rand construction secret. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:00:54 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) Micheal Mims wrote: > > Levelheads, I was taking a break after working on my project this > weekend and something occurred to me. Everyone seem to be setting level > at different locations and to me it seems that 90 degrees to the center > section main spar would be level(at least on my airplane it is). Am I > on dope here or is it really that simple? The only drawback that I see is that you would be using a 2 3/8 inch flat surface as the level for the entire plane. A small surface imperfection would show up as a relatively large angle. The fire wall will not be truely plumb with the thrust line, but it will be close (just guessing, on the order of 1/16" over the height of the firewall). I ran a string from the tail post to the center of the fire wall, the endpoints were at the top of the longerons. Then I made small blocks of wood that just touched the string at three different horizontal locations behind the cockpit. They define both the center line and the thrust line. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:46:36 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Re: Has this turned into an engine List? 37 actual operating hours and counting to 100. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:49:31 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: vw engines. is your mikuni off a two stroke? if so it will never work right. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:48:34 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) At 09:00 PM 8/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >The only drawback that I see is that you would be using a 2 3/8 inch >flat surface as the level for the entire plane. A small surface >imperfection would show up as a relatively large angle. >> Yeah that would be a very small flat (if it were flat) surface to measure from. I was thinking more along the lines of using the distance top to bottom on the spar and going 90 degrees off that with a nice square or something. There are probably 100 ways to determine something close to level on these things but no way to find out where level truly is! :o) Good enough for KR work I guess. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:57:20 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: FW: Subaru Engine & VW we currently have 37 hours on our rear drive unit and are not going to sell it or price it until we have 100 hours on it. you never know what will happen or break. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:09:56 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) LevelHeads, I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. Decide what you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it in stone. Personally, I used the 2 foot length of top longeron that spans the distance between the main spar and the aft spar, but you could just as easily use the firewall. Once convinced it was level, I marked the plane with a water level at both firewall and tail. Over that distance, the repeatability gets into the hundredths of a degree. From here, you can set tail and wing incidence, washout, and engine thrust line, with confidence. And you can do the wings one at a time, since it's a snap to get it back to exactly level again. I measured my washout to within better than 1/20th of a degree. But then I'm whacko... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:04:36 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: KR: alternator question I have a Nippontendo (?) alternator which has a large terminal post which is the output and a connector with four quick connect terminals on it. Does anyone know what the four terminals are? One must be the field, but which and what are the other three? Any resource would help. Bob Lasecki Fearing sparks in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:24:18 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: updated my page All I updated my KR webpage, have a look at http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch/kr.htm John F. Esch KR-2SSW Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:24:25 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Re: alternator question Not sure on that Nippontendo, but for my alt, (junkyard Samarai), I went to public library, they had any kind of auto book you'd ever want. I was able to find the wiring for it and discovered it was same as geo tracker/metro etc... John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM - ---------- > From: Kr2dream@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: alternator question > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 8:04 PM > > I have a Nippontendo (?) alternator which has a large terminal post which is > the output and a connector with four quick connect terminals on it. Does > anyone know what the four terminals are? One must be the field, but which and > what are the other three? Any resource would help. > > Bob Lasecki > Fearing sparks in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:35:22 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Hinge lubricant What do you recommend for lubricating the rudder and elevator hinges? Graphite, etc.??? Thanks. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:18:25 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Hinge lubricant At 09:35 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >What do you recommend for lubricating the rudder and elevator hinges? >Graphite, etc.??? Thanks. >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX. > I think we used to use one of the LPS lubes on the Cessnas and Pipers. It was the one that was thicker in consistency. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:00:07 EDT From: DFCPAC@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: vw engines. steve, how can you tell if the mikuni carb. is off a 2 stroke engine? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:46:56 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Hinge lubricant In a message dated 98-08-25 23:43:39 EDT, you write: << I think we used to use one of the LPS lubes on the Cessnas and Pipers. >> LPS is the way too go, use LPS-2 or -3. The two is easier to find at local hardware stores. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:54:31 -0400 From: "Tim Stone" Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDD0BE.60108160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford >LevelHeads, > >I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. Decide = what >you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it in stone. snip Only drawback I can see is if one of us wander off to do something else. :) Tim Stone > - ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDD0BE.60108160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Mark Langford=20 <langford@hiwaay.net>

>LevelHeads,
>
>I think the key to = establishing level=20 is making it repeatable.  Decide what
>you want to be level, = and then=20 use a water level to cast it in stone.
 
snip
 
Only drawback I can see is if one of us wander off to do something=20 else.
:)
Tim Stone
>
- ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDD0BE.60108160-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:13:12 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) > -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Langford > > >LevelHeads, >> >>I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. Decide what >>you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it in stone. snip > Only drawback I can see is if one of us wander off to do something else. :) >Tim Stone > If you do cast it in stone, should one use plain plaster, or something more exotic like dental stone? If you are near the taxi test stage, should you use a Rolling Stone perhaps? Then again, you are using it all with a water level, which could yield a whetstone, eh? Sharp of me to catch that. ;) B-laded apologies, Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:13:00 -0500 (CDT) From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com (Bruce S. Campbell) Subject: Re: KR: FW: Subaru Engine & VW You wrote: > >we currently have 37 hours on our rear drive unit and are not going to >sell it or price it until we have 100 hours on it. you never know what >will happen or break. steve > Come on Steve! Are we going to see it before S&F? I'll buy the beer if we do. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:09:02 -0400 From: "Eugene Gargasz" Subject: KR: rear enjine prop drives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD0D9.8C981660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The perfection of the rear drive will truely refine the auto enjine to = the practicle use in aircraft and eliminate prop thrust failure due to = auto enjine design power output. Imagine the possibility of = incorporating a co2 starter and a internal alternator in the same unit, = total enjine wieght could be reduced to accomodate the use of the = drive. The use of standard low priced VW rebuilds can be properly used = without any modifications for prop stresses. Look at Steves perspective, if he dosn't perfect the drive somone will, = the perfection of the drive will elliminate all the aircraft VW based = conversions in existance. Let Steve do his work to perfection, don't = rush him. thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD0D9.8C981660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
The perfection of the rear drive = will truely=20 refine the auto enjine to the practicle use in aircraft and eliminate = prop=20 thrust failure due to auto enjine design power output.  Imagine the = possibility of incorporating a co2 starter and a internal alternator in = the same=20 unit, total enjine  wieght could be reduced to accomodate the use = of the=20 drive.  The use of standard low priced VW rebuilds can be properly = used=20 without any modifications for prop stresses.
 
Look at Steves perspective,  if = he dosn't=20 perfect the drive somone will, the perfection of the drive will = elliminate all=20 the aircraft VW based conversions in existance.  Let Steve do his = work to=20 perfection, don't rush him.
 
thanks
- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDD0D9.8C981660-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:08:22 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives Eugene Gargasz wrote: > Look at Steves perspective, if he dosn't perfect the drive somone > will, the perfection of the drive will elliminate all the aircraft VW > based conversions in existance. Let Steve do his work to perfection, > don't rush him. > Gee I wonder if one would want to sell his current inventory before introducing something new that will make it (current inventory) obsolete? Will you guys hurry up and buy all the old Force One hubs so Steve can put this new thing on the market and I can buy one! Just kidding Steve! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:14:02 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) From: Mark Langford >LevelHeads, > >I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. >Decide what you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it >in stone. Agree 100%! That's why shooting an angle off the spar seemed so easy. Line up you square (or build a nice jig that slides over the spar) and your level. Its one of those things that one must decide what's best for him or herself I guess. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:21:56 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Engine thrust offset (A new horse to kick) Thrust heads, When I built up my jig for my motor mount I offset the thrust about 2 degrees to the right ( P factor band-aid). Does anyone know if the motor mounts from RR have any offset? I guess one could use washers to do this afterwards if it were needed. Maybe with the small diameter props the p factor is not that big of an issue? Maybe most homebuilders don't take the time to fine tune the airplane after it fly's? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:40:20 -0700 From: melray Subject: KR: unsubscribe unsubscribe melray@netgroupinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:24:28 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: water level problems The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with clear 1/4" id tubing + a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water didn't seem to want to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 inch which is terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. Seemed like friction might have been causing the problem. Is the tube diameter critical? Has anyone else had this problem and what is the solution? Mark Langford wrote: > LevelHeads, > > I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. Decide what > you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it in stone. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:15:27 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: RE: water level problems Bob Smith wrote: > The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with > clear 1/4" id tubing + > a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water > didn't seem to want > to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 > inch which is > terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. Seemed > like friction > might have been causing the problem. Is the tube diameter critical? It takes about 5 seconds to stabilize, but I've never seen that problem. You say "+reservoir", I just use the tubing. The water really has no other place to go, and surface tension rarely wins over gravity, at least in Alabama. Never understood why you'd want to carry around a reservoir, and now you tell me it doesn't work anyway? I will confess that I've dumped my share of red water out on the floor in various places though... I think if you'll just try the tubing alone (mine is .25" ID) you can't go wrong. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:03:14 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) Geez< you guys get up awful early to make bad jokes, i don't even open my eyes till 8:30 a.m. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:06:20 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives Way to go from a soob lover . get it so it works right then we can all be happy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:04:35 -0400 From: photofix Subject: KR: Rear drive for VW Does anyone know what the weight increase will be on the rear drive for the VW also will it fit the type 4 motor.  Want to get all the facts together first before the build  Still looking for the archive CD out there please post to the group or you can reach me at:  KR-2S@photoimage1.com        Thanks,                  Vince   ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:07:42 +0800 From: "L.Palaniappan" Subject: Re: KR: water level problems At 01:24 PM 8/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with clear 1/4" id tubing + >a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water didn't seem to want >to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 inch which is >terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. Seemed like friction >might have been causing the problem. Is the tube diameter critical? > >Has anyone else had this problem and what is the solution? Hello This is Palani in Malaysia Try mixing a little soap and colour to the water befor filling the tube. A 1/4" ID clear tube is fine. Thank Bill Spring, the designer of the SPRINT for the tip. Palani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:45:20 -0700 From: "Don Rideout" <19don26@castles.com> Subject: KR: Vacuum pump I want to try a little vacuum bagging experimentally, How much vacuum do I need and what kind of pumps are being used. 19don26@castles.com SeeYa! - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 8:07 AM Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives >Eugene Gargasz wrote: >> Look at Steves perspective, if he dosn't perfect the drive somone >> will, the perfection of the drive will elliminate all the aircraft VW >> based conversions in existance. Let Steve do his work to perfection, >> don't rush him. >> > >Gee I wonder if one would want to sell his current inventory before >introducing something new that will make it (current inventory) >obsolete? Will you guys hurry up and buy all the old Force One hubs so >Steve can put this new thing on the market and I can buy one! Just >kidding Steve! :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:23:13 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KRNet logo/shirt and KRKosh name tags Shirtheads: Lest we forget, Rob Convington designed and created the KRNet logo that Oscar posted for viewing. Good job Rob. This will be the logo that is used on the name tags I'm bringing to the the gathering. If you want to have this cool custom logo'd name tag at the event, better get the info to Brian Brand soon. His Email is: bbland@gateway.net Include: FName LName Address City State Zip Email address Phone If you are flying your KR to the gathering (for badge color coding) Did I miss anything Brian? I need the info in my hands by Sept 12 for processing... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:27:11 EDT From: KenikaS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Hinge lubricant In a message dated 98-08-26 07:01:24 EDT, you write: << << I think we used to use one of the LPS lubes on the Cessnas and Pipers. >> LPS is the way too go, use LPS-2 or -3. The two is easier to find at local hardware stores. >> I would recommend you stick with LPS-2. LPS-3 is a bit too thick and you'll end up with a thick yellow/brown waxy build up after a while that is hard to remove. Dennis Steed SLC UT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:24:21 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: water level problems smithr wrote: > > The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with clear 1/4" id tubing + > a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water didn't seem to want > to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 inch which is > terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. As long as the tube is open on both ends and does not have any kinks, it will level out. The length of tubing does not affect it, but a longer run will require a little longer for the hydralic oscillations to settle out. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:28:57 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Vacuum pump Don Rideout wrote: > > I want to try a little vacuum bagging experimentally, How much vacuum > do I need and what kind of pumps are being used. I played with one a bit. I made it from a car air conditioner compressor. It was a junker and didn't cost anything. I hooked up a belt and a 1/2 HP electric motor. I never measured it, but I am sure that it was at least 5 psi vacuum. This may not sound like much, but it will be over 100 lbs per square foot, a lot. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:07:12 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KRNet logo/shirt and KRKosh name tags >Shirtheads: > >Lest we forget, Rob Convington designed and created the KRNet logo that Oscar >posted for viewing. Good job Rob. > Hey, that's Covington. :) Randy , appreciate the credit. I must add that although I designed it and created it in the final form, Oscar did provide me a rough sketch as guide and examples of some of the elements he wanted included or as examples of what he wanted, like the style of earth, and the plane. That made it kind of easy, along with my procrastination on doing it, which made it flow on out, artistically. :) Can't take all the credit, because I had a good guide in this case. The earth was made in a program called "xEarth". It is available for almost all operating systems in various forms. The Mac version can do animation, don't know about the others. The shirt on the WWW page is simulated by the way; I composited the logo on an Oscar scan of the target shirt type. The earth will most likely not appear in a graduated shaded form, unless embroidery has come a long way with handling graduated color changes. But it should still look real close to the posted version. Get it get it get it. KRnet Shirt Corps gets first dibs on the B-2 Stealth rides scheduled for Perry. They said if we can track them going over, and just wave, or hit them with a KR's wake turbulence to let them know we know they are there, they will come on down and give us rides. (joke, eh) Robert Covington ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #142 *****************************