From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, August 28, 1998 6:58 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #143 krnet-l-digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 143 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:17:23 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: water level problems >The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with clear 1/4" id >tubing + >a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water didn't seem to want >to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 inch which is >terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. Seemed like friction >might have been causing the problem. Is the tube diameter critical? > >Has anyone else had this problem and what is the solution? Surface tension. Can't use sticky water, has to be normal water. :) Seriously, I would think adding a little rubbing alcohol to it would relax the surface tension causing the problems as well as the soap and color that was also mentioned. Then again, soap kills surface tension great, which is why it works well on getting rid of grease. (old World Book article from when I was a kid, on "Detergent", I remember the pictures they showed,mighty neat.) But on the alcohol method, maybe that is why the "Plane Crazy" guy used wine? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:10:28 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: KRNet logo/shirt and KRKosh name tags >The shirt on the WWW page is simulated by the way; I composited the logo on >an Oscar scan of the target shirt type. The earth will most likely not >appear in a graduated shaded form, unless embroidery has come a long way >with handling graduated color changes. Are you saying it will be an embroidered logo? Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:19:14 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Hinge lubricant At 20:18 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:35 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >>What do you recommend for lubricating the rudder and elevator hinges? >>Graphite, etc.??? Thanks. >>Bob Maniss Abilene, TX. >> > >I think we used to use one of the LPS lubes on the Cessnas and Pipers. It >was the one that was thicker in consistency. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims That would be LPS-3, good stuff. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:27:08 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KRNet logo/shirt and KRKosh name tags >>The shirt on the WWW page is simulated by the way; I composited the logo on >>an Oscar scan of the target shirt type. The earth will most likely not >>appear in a graduated shaded form, unless embroidery has come a long way >>with handling graduated color changes. > >Are you saying it will be an embroidered logo? > >Ron It was my understanding that it would be embroidered in the small form as shown. Any larger version, I don't know. Would be best to write Oscar about this. "Oscar Zuniga" Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:31:31 -0700 From: g hamilton Subject: KR: RE: Vacuum pump - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDD202.29C6BDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did some vacuum work with an old refrigerator compressor. Worked great and pulls a tremendous vacuum but also did not measure. - -----Original Message----- From: Don Rideout [SMTP:19don26@castles.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 3:45 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Vacuum pump I want to try a little vacuum bagging experimentally, How much vacuum do I need and what kind of pumps are being used. 19don26@castles.com SeeYa! - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 8:07 AM Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives >Eugene Gargasz wrote: >> Look at Steves perspective, if he dosn't perfect the drive somone >> will, the perfection of the drive will elliminate all the aircraft VW >> based conversions in existance. Let Steve do his work to perfection, >> don't rush him. >> > >Gee I wonder if one would want to sell his current inventory before >introducing something new that will make it (current inventory) >obsolete? Will you guys hurry up and buy all the old Force One hubs so >Steve can put this new thing on the market and I can buy one! Just >kidding Steve! :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. 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KRNet logo/shirt and KRKosh name tags If anyone wants the kr wings i'm the one that made them for jeanette insilver also a full three dimensional kr2-s sterling silver pendant.if you might be interested in either one e-mail me . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:31:52 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Vacuum pump From my modeling days we used a vacuum canister cleaner noisy as all hell but it did the job . not much vacuum but it did monica justice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:53:04 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: KR: Vacuum pumps Try a pump out of an old refrigerator, it has its own motor and it's so quiet you can barely hear it running. Don't forget to build some sort of separator just in case, you don't want to suck epoxy up into the pump. You can buy the brass compression fittings at the auto parts store for the pump, it also lets you use the old car gauges (since we can't use them for the car since Uncle Sam won't let us buy freon)... Kerry Miller Royse City, TX PS Vacuum is measured in inches of mercury, not psi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:59:35 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Vacuum pump Another good one is any refridgerator or water cooler compressor. They'll pull quite a good vacuum for composites work. - -Peter- Donald Reid wrote: > > Don Rideout wrote: > > > > I want to try a little vacuum bagging experimentally, How much vacuum > > do I need and what kind of pumps are being used. > > I played with one a bit. I made it from a car air conditioner > compressor. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:56:13 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Alternator resource - Maybe a candy store too! <> Dear Spark Fearing Bob: You may wish to hop over to AirSigs's Drop box and poke around. I think I recall many flavors of alternators there with general info about what each of them there wires/studs is 'spose to do. You can get there by going to: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/ BTW, this is a good site with plenty of goodies in almost every corner that you look in. I would suggest you bookmark it and pay occasional visits there for the information that keeps getting left there. Some pretty sharp gearheads leave droppings there. The site janitor is a very helpful and active sort of dude. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:56:13 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Vacuum pumps Airless heads: << I want to try a little vacuum bagging experimentally, How much vacuum > do I need and what kind of pumps are being used. I played with one a bit. I made it from a car air conditioner compressor. It was a junker and didn't cost anything. I hooked up a belt and a 1/2 HP electric motor. I never measured it, but I am sure that it was at least 5 psi vacuum. This may not sound like much, but it will be over 100 lbs per square foot, a lot.>> As a thought, guys in our chapter are using discarded refrig compressors. Of course I'm sure they were recovering the ozone depleting freon first...Then they just throw some oil in to keep the noise down and hooked 'em to the hose and pumped away. Frig compressors are made for continuos duty so you can leave them run for extended periods of time. Of course you could also hook up an adjustable switch so the pump goes on if you have any vacuum loss and need to draw down again. Don is right, vacuum is a strong force and you need to practice on a few parts first to find out what works for a given part in a given situation. Flat parts, curved parts & etc., all take slightly altered techniques. As an example, some of the metal builders use big glad bags and a vacuum cleaner to "draw" wind skins into shape for fitting, drilling and riveting - strange sounding, but if you are creative, it can be a cheap solution. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:52:17 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Subaru Weights Weight heads, there is a GREAT break down of component weights of the Stratus EA81 at: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/Weights%26Measures/FWF81Weights.txt Check it out and remember this engine is advertised as 185 pounds firewall forward! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:28:44 -0400 From: "Driessen, Marcel" Subject: AW: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 26. August 1998 11:15 An: Driessen; 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Betreff: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole Original Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) with ESMTP id LAA04467; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22182; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp3.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:13:19 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA22077 for krnet-l-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22024 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from germany.frco.com (ppp-207-214-180-118.irvn11.pacbell.net [207.214.180.118]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP i d IAA27439 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35E4263A.600E@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:14:02 -0700 From: Micheal Mims X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) References: <006101bdd0df$e803f5e0$4484d4d1@stonet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Precedence: bulk From: Mark Langford >LevelHeads, > >I think the key to establishing level is making it repeatable. >Decide what you want to be level, and then use a water level to cast it >in stone. Agree 100%! That's why shooting an angle off the spar seemed so easy. Line up you square (or build a nice jig that slides over the spar) and your level. Its one of those things that one must decide what's best for him or herself I guess. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have build a jig with a water level permanently attacht to it. The inside area of the jig has an airfoil shape cutout and slides over the stubwing spars. If the jig is level than the stubwing is automaticaly at the right incidence. Works very easy. Marcel Driessen Meerlo, The Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:58:49 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: Re: Subaru Weights Note that 15 lbs of that 259lbs is the battery, which no one includes in their engine weights. That's also with the 11lb prop, and the 12lb engine mounts, which are not included in engine weights either, only FWF packages. So you would have to compare apples to apples. That's a Warp drive prop too. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:53 AM Subject: KR: Subaru Weights >Weight heads, there is a GREAT break down of component weights of the >Stratus EA81 at: > >ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/Weights%26Measures/FWF81Weights.txt > >Check it out and remember this engine is advertised as 185 pounds firewall >forward! >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:43:51 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: water level problems >But on the alcohol method, maybe that is why the "Plane Crazy" guy used wine? > >Robert Covington I dont think that wine ever really made it into his level ;-) Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:27:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Vacuum bagging I have been experimenting with vacuum bagging wing skins. I was able to find an old refrigerator compresser at the local High School. The refrigeration class had a bunch of old compressers laying around and offered one to me for free. I couldn't pass up the offer and they even brazed on the fitting to attach the vacuum gage to! A picture of my "little sucker" is at http://www.newtech.com/vacuum_pump.jpg I am able to consistantly draw 25" of Hg. vacuum. I just use 1/2" id plastic tubing to get the vacuum within the vacuum bag. I am using a modification of Mark Langford's sanded wing skin technique to make my molds out of foam http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html shows Mark's technique of sanding foam to an airfoil contour. I am just using the female portion as the mold. You have to contact cement a hard surface to the foam or the vacuum will tend to distort the outer surface of your molded part. I am experimenting with .020" polypropolene sheet as the mold surface, verdict is still out on this one. THe procedure I use is as follows: Make plywood airfoil templates and use to sand in a concave airfoil shape into the foam. Cover the top surface of the foam with polypropolene sheet (3M77 spray contact cement). Place the mold on an air tight hard surface, I am using a sheet of 5/8" aluminum plate (very much overkill but I had it). The first fiberglass layups are wet out in the mold. 1/4" foam sheets are cut to size for the stiffening inserts in the sandwich wing skin. THe edges of the foam is sanded to a 45 degree angle to provide a transition for the glass to follow. THe inside fiberglass layups are applied next followed by a layer of porous teflon coated release film (AS&S p/n 01-14835). Over the release film I put two plies of polyfiber quilt batting (from the local fabric store). Next Dum-dum sealing tape (Wicks p/n AT200Y) is applied to the outside perimiter and is used to seal the vacuum bag to the work surface. The plastic vacuum tube is placed next to the edge of the mold and covered with several layers of the quilt batting so that the vacuum can evacuate all of the air in the bag. Over this is placed the vacuum bag material (Wicks p/n D250) use extra dum-dum tape around the plastic tubing where it enters the bag. Turn on the vacuum pump and chase down all leaks by listening for air entering the bag. When you get a seal you will see the whole thing shrink down firmly to the surface of your part. Now the hard part comes, you have to wait until the part is cured before releasing the vacuum and looking at your handy work. The first sample part I made using this technique is at http://www.newtech.com/wingskin.jpg Hope this gives you some ideas to start playing around with. It is simple once you have the vacuum pump and materials. Don't plan on using your first parts. Make up some sample test panels first to work out the details of the process then go for it. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:34:40 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Shirts Okay, shirt-heads- I'll try this again. I previously tried to post a complete description of the shirt deal, but it got lost in cyber-space. I also gave complete credit to the pixel magician, Robert Covington, for his outtasite artwork, and to Mike Mims for putting up the HTML page. I am having the new KRNet shirt logo set up for embroidering onto plain white, 60/40 cotton/poly polo shirts with front pockets. After pricing bunches of different ones, it seemed to me that very few of us would want to spend $10 or $20 extra to get dashing colors or contrasting collar/cuffs, plus everybody knows that the KR has to be kept mostly white because darker colors would heat up the structure too much, so therefore the all-white shirts are actually totally in keeping with the KR concept. Plus I'm a cheap person. It looks like the price will be $29.99, postage paid to U.S. patrons. Or make it $30 if that doesn't scare you. I'll post complete ordering info when available, but for now don't send anything, just e-mail me ***personally***, not to KRNet!! if you are interested. They will be available in sizes S,M,L,XL,XXL,XXXL (maybe). John Roffey says he will just get a size XL and not wash it so it won't shrink ;o) Once the setup charge is paid, we can have the logo put on anything else we want, such as caps, sweatshirts, windbreakers, ladies' scarves (ha!), etc. as long as we do them in lots of 6 at a time. Embroidery charge is less than $8 per item. They might just be ready by Perry; I am readying mailing envelopes and labels now. I will keep this list posted, but not clutter with every little thing. Thanks, Netters Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:39:53 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: CD-ROM Archives Hello, Netters A progress update on projects. Since I'm finishing up the 'shirts' project, I can move on to the CD-ROMs. I have everything I need except the time at the moment. I need to learn the ins and outs of Adobe Acrobat and get everything converted to .pdf, then set up the index and get the CDs burned. Guys have offered to help me burn them, and I will sure be taking you up on it. With over 60 on the list, and about an hour to burn each CD, it could take a while. So be patient and I'll try to get it done before the snow flies. Thanks again to John Bouyea and Kerry Miller for doing all the data gathering and scanning. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:42:42 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Rudder size So now Mike Mims has offset his thrust line a couple degrees to help with the P-factor and torque effects. Now you know why the rudder was designed the size it was, Mike: the plane was destined to use that big engine in the first place, and needs all the rudder on takeoff ;o) Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:50:26 -0700 From: "Don Rideout" <19don26@castles.com> Subject: KR: Vacuum info This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BDD18F.5A59B940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well as usual you guys came shinning through, I got a bunch of vacuum = ideas from several of you, enough to keep me busy for a while. For my = part after I try this all out I will tell you about what worked and = spare you from what did not, Thank you one and all..... 19don26@castles.com SeeYa! - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BDD18F.5A59B940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BDD18F.5A59B940-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:06:19 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: water level problems In a message dated 8/26/98 11:23:44 AM Mountain Daylight Time, smithr@wadsworth.org writes: << The one time I tried to use a water level (homemade with clear 1/4" id tubing + a water reservoir) I had trouble making it work. The water didn't seem to want to seek its own level. It was either up or down by maybe 3/8 inch which is terrible in KR land. I had expected accuracy to 1mm. Seemed like friction might have been causing the problem. Is the tube diameter critical? Has anyone else had this problem and what is the solution? >> I used denatured alcohol for my fluid instead of water. It seemed to be more viscous in the tubing, flow easier, and have no trouble finding it's own level. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:39:29 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Hinge lubricant Thanks for mentioning LPS along with the comparisons between -2 and -3. Went to buy some today and the hardware store also had LPS Magnum which contains Teflon. Any additional comments about the Magnum formula versus -2 and -3? Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:09:00 -0400 From: stampest@wwwinc.com (Stamper, Steve) Subject: KR: Not read: RE: Vacuum pump ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:45:58 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: Level in KR (another stinky ole horse) >The only drawback that I see is that you would be using a 2 3/8 inch >flat surface as the level for the entire plane. A small surface >imperfection would show up as a relatively large angle. The fire wall >will not be truely plumb with the thrust line, but it will be close >(just guessing, on the order of 1/16" over the height of the >firewall). > >I ran a string from the tail post to the center of the fire wall, the >endpoints were at the top of the longerons. Then I made small blocks >of >wood that just touched the string at three different horizontal >locations behind the cockpit. They define both the center line and >the >thrust line. This might be a nice use for one of those inexpensive little laser pens people use for pointing and annoying cats: mount it in the middle of the firewall (cast in stone, or maybe epoxy) and aim it so the beam hits the middle of the tailpost. Now anytime you turn it on, you'll have a reference beam of definite height down the centerline of the boat that's always repeatable and never in the way when it's not needed. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:14:10 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subaru Weights I have been unable to access the URL from AOL but the Air-Ryder EA81 that is advertised at 185# actually weighs in at that value. I have one and have weighed it. They change out a lot of stock items to conserve weight. Possibly that is some of the difference as well. Mine is under 200# including the engine mount. Bob Lasecki slowly building in Chicago.(~750 hours) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:18:20 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Subaru Weights At 06:58 AM 8/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Note that 15 lbs of that 259lbs is the battery, which no one includes in >their engine weights. That's also with the 11lb prop, and the 12lb engine mounts, which are not included in engine weights either, only FWF packages.>>>>> I didn't post it as a slam to Subarus, I posted it to show that even though an engine is advertized at X amount firewall forward that is really not a good reflection of how much firewall forward really means and people seem to forget this. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:20:19 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Alternator resource - Maybe a candy store too! Close but not including the alternator I have. Thanks for a GREAT reference site though. Bob Lasecki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:22:36 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: PERRY Itinerary I thought I'd post my itinerary so that I can find it in the archives if I loose my E-ticket information.... I'm leaving Portland OR at 6:11AM on Thursday 9/17. (This means getting up at 3:00AM to meet the flight... I do this every week to catch a 6:30 flight, so it's not a big deal.) Arrive Dallas at 11:55A on FLT 1308, Just in time for lunch. Leave on Flight 2021 from DFW->OKC arriving 1:37PM on Thursday. Returning Sunday Leaving OKC at 8:00PM Flight 3550. I have booked a rental Car so I can give someone a ride to/from OKC if they need it. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:28:28 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Aileron mass balance ??] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------5627592875C48CB8F2D96C2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com - --------------5627592875C48CB8F2D96C2D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by iris.San-Jose.ate.slb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28141 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Received: from BSHADR@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id MBUUa20442 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2ae936a1.35e7076b@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:39:23 EDT To: rossy@san-jose.ate.slb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Aileron mass balance ?? X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_904333163_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_904333163_boundary Content-ID: <0_904333163@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ross; You been putting my Email address on bathroom walls again? Randy - --part0_904333163_boundary Content-ID: <0_904333163@inet_out.mail.mweb.co.za.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay22.mx.aol.com (relay22.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.68]) by air16.mail.aol.com (v49.4) with SMTP; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:34:57 -0400 Received: from mailcrunch.cis.co.za (mailcrunch.cis.co.za [196.2.16.5]) by relay22.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id DAA11184 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roylieb.nis.za (rnb-ts532-209.mweb.co.za [196.2.32.209]) by mailcrunch.cis.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06888 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:38:46 -0200 (GMT) Message-Id: <199808281138.JAA06888@mailcrunch.cis.co.za> From: "Roy Liebenberg" To: Subject: Fw: Aileron mass balance ?? Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:20:32 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ross, I am sending this to the above address as well, as I am not sure which is correct.. Roy. - ---------- > From: Roy Liebenberg > To: krnet@teleport.com > Subject: Aileron mass balance ?? > Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 12:15 PM > > Dear Ross, > Its been such a long time since my last contact......there was just so many > articles on KR -stuff, that I had to un-subscribe for a while . > I need some good advice on aileron mass balance and trust that someone,out > there can help (including yourself !!!) > My early drawings show a small plate attached to the underside of the > aileron and onto this a hunk of lead. this all moves up and down into a > cavity just short of the rear spar. The lever arm is so short that I fin= d a > rather big piece of lead is necessary to achieve 100% balance > a) Is it necessary/advisable to balance 100% ???? > b) Has anyone gone a different route with success, such as a piece of 4130 > shaped to curve forward and into the the airstream with a smaller mass > attached to the end .There being a much bigger lever arm but of course > the drag penalty. I still favour the Ken Rand solution if the aileron does > not have to be 100% balanced. > > Any help will be much appreciated. Roy Liebenberg - --part0_904333163_boundary-- - --------------5627592875C48CB8F2D96C2D-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:55:59 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Aileron mass balance ??] I my self have mass balanced the ailerons with two lead weights. one in the original position another about 2 feet further out on the aileron. the same amount of lead but smaller blocks that are almost completely buried even with full delection . i built a box to receive the weights so that no moisture can enter. Warron. by the way moving to at&t net in a few days so i may not be annoying anybody about soobs or pendants for a few days. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:58:28 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Aileron mass balance ??] That's a good idea as flutter starts at the tips of the ailerons, don't it? I had a similar idea except to split the amount of weight between the two locations. I hate lead. It's got too much gravity in it:). Note that Cessna ailerons have the weights evenly distributed in them. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 6:59 PM Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Aileron mass balance ??] >I my self have mass balanced the ailerons with two lead weights. one in the >original position another about 2 feet further out on the aileron. the same >amount of lead but smaller blocks that are almost completely buried even with >full delection . i built a box to receive the weights so that no moisture can >enter. Warron. by the way moving to at&t net in a few days so i may not be >annoying anybody about soobs or pendants for a few days. > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #143 *****************************