From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 5:43 AM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #157 krnet-l-digest Monday, October 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 157 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:19:47 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: N numbers (How to get) Try this site: http://www.mmac.jccbi.gov/afs/afs700/nnum.html Phone number is 1-405-954-4206 This may be to RESERVE a number as opposed to assigning one but a bit of surfing should get you to the right place. Ron Lee At 08:02 AM 9/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >If you find out, please let us know. > >Gordon > > >Richard Parker wrote: > >> Any one know if you can reserve an "N" number online? if not does >> anyone know who I contact to reserve one. >> >> Please e-mail me off-Net >> >> Richard E. Parker >> Jaffrey, NH >> theparkers@monad.net >> richontheroad@hotmail.com >> http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:07:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Potential Builder in Florida looks for KRs Netters this from a visitor to my web page. Please reply directly to Gerald as he is not on this list. Hey Mike, I've been looking at building a KR2s for a while now.I live near and work in Tampa,Fl.Is there a list or something I can go to,to locate some KR owners or builders in my area? Thanks, Gerald E. Jones< geraldej@gte.net> Port Richey,Fl. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:06:33 EDT From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: N numbers Gee guys there must be something wrong with the state of Maine as the only tax that you have to pay on a homebuilt aircraft is an annual 15.00 reg fee. Thats all no matter what your homebuilt aircraft is worth. Now i don,t feel so bad living up here where the economy is 10 years behind the rest of you folks. Kip Lounsbury ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:09:57 EDT From: DFCPAC@aol.com Subject: KR: unsubscribe i would like to be taken off this list. how do i do so dfcpac@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:52:08 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: N Numbers You might try www.landings.com for info about N numbers. Their search engines show those already assigned as well as reserved. Don't know about asccuracy but it seems to be reasonably up to date. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:52:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: If the repeat messages continue...UGH! I'm understanding that we are still getting repeat messages. UGH!! My impression of the consultant that Teleport hired, is not too good, Teleport is in Oregon and the consultant is in New York state. This isn't necessarily bad, but all the real email gurus I think live in Silicon Valley. At any rate, please check the SEND date on repeat messages, if this is not fixed by FRIDAY, (that is you get duplicate messages after Friday), I will turn up the heat on Teleport. Please forward a copy of your DUPLICATE message (one only please) to me at mailto:krnet@krnet.org. I will stuff the consultants mailbox with these. -- Regards Ross Krnet email admin krnet@krnet.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:24:40 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: 1999 KR Gathering Does anyone know of a KR2S project for sale on the East coast? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:39:47 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: N numbers (How to get) http://www.mmac.jccbi.gov/afs/afs700/afs750.html Is a better site and has links to the appropriate site. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:20:26 +0200 From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za (Steve Boshoff) Subject: KR: Wing Skins JKM001@aol.com wrote: "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins on the wings and tail areas followed by a coat of epoxy, sanded and apply auto paint with an additive to keep the paint flexible. Any thoughts on this?" I gave this some thought, and I personally would not try it because: 1) There is an art to bending ply over the leading edge (saw a friend break a few pieces as part of the school fees) and I feel more comfortable using glass. 2) If I did it on a KR, I would strongly consider fitting a few more ribs to prevent buckling. 3) The KR uses the principle of foam/glass and I wonder whether the mod of ribs/ply/epoxy would have a strength/weight benefit. I like the idea of using proven construction philosophy for a specific design. Steve in South Africa Steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:09:03 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: N numbers (Update) At 07:39 PM 9/30/98 -0600, you wrote: http://www.mmac.jccbi.gov/afs/afs700/afs750.html > >Is a better site and has links to the appropriate site. > >Ron Lee > This site also has a data base you can download to check on assigned/ reserved N numbers. Otherwise try the landings.com site or perhaps even avweb.com Ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:19:21 -0400 From: Mike Cochran Subject: KR: Thomaville flyin Is anyone with a KR planning on being at T-ville fly in on Oct. 9,10, or11. If so I'd like to know. Mike Cochran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:21:57 EDT From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins In a message dated 10/1/98 2:17:20 AM, you wrote: <> It would seem to me that old ideas die hard. I believe that N4DD has been flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years with this "unproven" material. This aircraft has been flown fairly hard and still appears to be structurally sound. Burt Rutan designs have survived very well through the use of this technology and continue to outperform all of the other "proven" materials. I think a lot of the criticism fiberglass gets is due to the fact that people don't understand the material and the resins used. Just ask any RV builder if there is a material better suited to aircraft construction than aluminum........ People will believe what they want. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:55:07 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I like working with wood and fiberglass, at one time in my job history I did tooling for making vacuum bagged fiberglass parts. I also worked as an aircraft machinist for both McDonald Douglas and Rockwell on the B-1 Bomber. I love wood, smells good, feels good. I am 56 years old, if I build a wood/glass airplane and it last for 20 years I think I would be too old to fly it. Gordon Leaning towards a KR-2 very hard. Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/98 2:17:20 AM, you wrote: > > < design.>> > > It would seem to me that old ideas die hard. I believe that N4DD has been > flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years with this "unproven" > material. This aircraft has been flown fairly hard and still appears to be > structurally sound. Burt Rutan designs have survived very well through the use > of this technology and continue to outperform all of the other "proven" > materials. > > I think a lot of the criticism fiberglass gets is due to the fact that people > don't understand the material and the resins used. Just ask any RV builder if > there is a material better suited to aircraft construction than > aluminum........ People will believe what they want. > > Steve Horn > Horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:53:14 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Subarus Hello, Netters Those of you who are using, or thinking of using, Subaru power in your KR will want to get the current issue of Contact! magazine. There are several stories of interest: one on fabbing your own engine mount, another on operation history of a Soob in an Avid Flyer (stock, turbo, redrive), and another in a series on Soob electrics; this one on Nippondenso v.s. Mitsubishi alternators, and voltage regulators. For you turbo buffs, there's also a tech story by Roger Enns (Dragonfly) on how to match a turbo to your engine. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:52:55 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Hi Oscar. Steve Makish here. I have been flying my kr2 on subaru power for 4 years now. It is great. I have over 450 hours on the subaru and over a 1000 hours on the plane srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:00:00 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Steve Boshoff wrote: > > I gave this some thought, and I personally would not try it because: > 1) There is an art to bending ply over the leading edge (saw a friend break > a few pieces as part of the school fees) and I feel more comfortable using > glass. My understanding is that you have to soak the ply in warm water and or steam it. There is a Mil Spec for plywood indicating that it will not delaminate after a specific application of water for a specific time then executing a specific bend. This might be in one of the CAM books from wayback but I don't have the spec. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:55:07 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Potential Builder in Florida looks for KRs hey mike, tell the florida kr inquiry to mail me at srmakish@aol.com. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:06:31 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I like working with glass and epoxy plus wood Gordon Micheal Mims wrote: > > JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > > > "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins>>>> > > First I would have to say everyone has the right not to like this or > that but,..have you worked with fiberglass and epoxy before? Its really > easy and lots of fun. Maybe give it a try before you decide you dont > like it. > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:12:37 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I refuse to answer that comment again (G) Question, where is the best place to buy the wood/materials kit for the KR2? I see both Wicks and Aircraft Spruce have it. Funny I think they both say they are to sole supplier for it. BS I'm looking for good stuff and good price. Gordon Micheal Mims wrote: > > JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > > > "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins>>>> > > First I would have to say everyone has the right not to like this or > that but,..have you worked with fiberglass and epoxy before? Its really > easy and lots of fun. Maybe give it a try before you decide you dont > like it. > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:07:22 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I like working with glass and epoxy and wood. thought I said that. Gordon Micheal Mims wrote: > > JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > > > "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins>>>> > > First I would have to say everyone has the right not to like this or > that but,..have you worked with fiberglass and epoxy before? Its really > easy and lots of fun. Maybe give it a try before you decide you dont > like it. > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:17:59 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Steve What kind of power are you getting out of your suberu power? Which engine? My Son has picked up a Suberu Brat and says I can have the engine as he has a newer one coming, should I snag it? What engine is in the Brat? I just know after looking at it, that it is 4 cyl oposed like a VW engine. What conversion are you using if any? Thanks Gordon SRMAKISH@aol.com wrote: > Hi Oscar. Steve Makish here. I have been flying my kr2 on subaru power for 4 > years now. It is great. I have over 450 hours on the subaru and over a 1000 > hours on the plane > srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:16:41 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Gordon not to answer for steve but we were in the same hangar and if he doesn't mind i can give you some info on his. He runs the jap version . use's nsi drive. 1.62 x1 ratio mild cam dual carbs. altimizer type ( i have a single carb on mine) electronic programmable ign. cruise in the 170's heavy bird 800 empty (sorry steve) . The brat is a ea-81 depending on the year it could be solid lifter or 1984 could be hydraulic. hp in car 74 mine is hydraulic with my mods computer shows with the run up on my 52X 60 pitch warneke 95 -98 hp Steves jap engine ,although he won't admit it shows on the computer 112 hp top speed is in the 180"s straight and level at 1000 ft msl in hot florida.if you need more info e-mail steve 's address or mine WARRONFLYS@WORLDNET.ATT.NET. - -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Brimhall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:22 PM Subject: Re: KR: Subarus >Steve > >What kind of power are you getting out of your suberu power? Which engine? > >My Son has picked up a Suberu Brat and says I can have the engine as he has a >newer one coming, should I snag it? What engine is in the Brat? I just know >after looking at it, that it is 4 cyl oposed like a VW engine. What conversion >are you using if any? > >Thanks > >Gordon > > >SRMAKISH@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Oscar. Steve Makish here. I have been flying my kr2 on subaru power for 4 >> years now. It is great. I have over 450 hours on the subaru and over a 1000 >> hours on the plane >> srmakish@aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:25:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins > JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins>>>> First I would have to say everyone has the right not to like this or that but,..have you worked with fiberglass and epoxy before? Its really easy and lots of fun. Maybe give it a try before you decide you dont like it. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:20:52 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins just remember, weight counts - big time. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:23:41 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins excess builder weight in manufacturing is my only concern, not longivity. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:27:45 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins 3/32 45 degree ply bends easily. it is not bent over the leading edge, just to it. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:31:11 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Subarus as in contrast, i have over 1600 hours of kr flying, 100% of which is VW powered. steve bennett! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:18:44 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: non-KR: Dumb FAA Story Robert Covington wrote: > > >This is a non-KR, but it is FAA related. > > > >On the front page of today's (9-30-98) Richmond newspaper is a story > >that the Richmond International Airport will no longer be able to sell a > >3" (8 cm) long model of a civil war era cannon. The local FAA says that > >"the toy cannon could be construed to be a miniature weapon". Airport > >security says "they could not be processed through security without > >authorization from someone". > > > >Our FAA at work. > > > >-- > >Don Reid > > Unbelievable how stupid people are getting in our country, and the minutiae > that concerns them. How many more little "freedoms" are we willing to give > up as a society as time goes on? (How much more property tax stupidity? :) > It all adds up to one big loss of freedom in the big picture. > > "Take me to Perry, or my little cannon barrel will make you think I have a > gun, Vern." > > Sorry for the rant, this irks me. I guess the media frenzy about the small > "pen" guns is at the root of this FAAness, but maybe, just maybe, somebody > at security could request a test fire of the little cannon? :) > > Robert Covington Is there a smart FAA story????? Jean N4DD P,S. the tax on homebuilts in Oklahoma is $10.00 per year regardless of cost. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:34:00 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Subarus in theory, a 100 hp engine should be able to turn a 52 x 75 prop easily. steve bennett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:27:24 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/98 2:17:20 AM, you wrote: > > < design.>> > > It would seem to me that old ideas die hard. I believe that N4DD has been > flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years with this "unproven" > material. This aircraft has been flown fairly hard and still appears to be > structurally sound. Burt Rutan designs have survived very well through the use > of this technology and continue to outperform all of the other "proven" > materials. > > I think a lot of the criticism fiberglass gets is due to the fact that people > don't understand the material and the resins used. Just ask any RV builder if > there is a material better suited to aircraft construction than > aluminum........ People will believe what they want. > > Steve Horn > Horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX Actually the wings that are on N191MR ( Martin Roberts plane ) were the original wings on N4DD and they are 22 years old. There has NRVER been an in flight structural failure. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:38:19 -0700 From: Sam Skaggs Subject: KR: quit the mailing list Take me off Sam krnet-l@teleport.com wrote: > > Can anybody tell me how to get off this mailing list. > > Send a message to majordomo@teleport.com, and in the message write the line: > > unsubscribe krnet-l business@algonet.se > > Mark Langford > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:31:45 EDT From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Steve from Great Plains says it is easier to use wood skins and the wings are lighter(33 lbs.) and even a quicker build time. he would know, he has done it. As far as the epoxy adding strength as one builder suggested it doesn't ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:13:48 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Admin update (Still getting duplicate messages) The Consultant working on all mailing issues at Teleport has fixed some issues that have prevented posts to lists from getting out, but has not yet covered the duplicate mailing list. It has somthing to do with aliases, but I don't know if it is on the teleport side or the member side. I suspect it may be a mix of both, and don't have much time to check on this. At any rate, Expect duplicate messages for a bit longer. If this continues through Friday, I will see if I can think of somthing. For one thing digest members don't get duplicates of the digest. Sooo.. I could switch everyone to the digest and see what happens, but I think I will wait a while before taking any drastic measures. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:59:23 -0700 From: "Joa" Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins How bad do these warp with moisture? How do they adhere to the ribs as compared to glass? Joa - -----Original Message----- From: JKM001@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:19 PM Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins >Steve from Great Plains says it is easier to use wood skins and the wings are >lighter(33 lbs.) and even a quicker build time. >he would know, he has done it. >As far as the epoxy adding strength as one builder suggested it doesn't > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:44:44 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: N numbers Kip; Did you ever get my email inviting you to look at New Brunswick as a destination ? I am building a KR2 here at Moncton, and am flying out of Havelock, just NW of Moncton a small grass strip. We have Sunday breakfasts where everyone who can, flies in to say high. I would like to invite you of course because I would like to talk with someone nearby to learn more about how the plane should fly. Further if I could talk you into it I would like to get a checkout in the bird to familiarize myself about the type. Let me know what you'd like, I would certainly come to you also if you could take me for a ride. Regards Jim - -----Original Message----- From: KRkip@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: October 1, 1998 12:14 AM Subject: Re: KR: N numbers >Gee guys there must be something wrong with the state of Maine as the only >tax that you have to pay on a homebuilt aircraft is an annual 15.00 reg fee. >Thats all no matter what your homebuilt aircraft is worth. Now i don,t feel so >bad living up here where the economy is 10 years behind the rest of you folks. >Kip Lounsbury > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:46:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: KR: Re: duplicate mail list messages (fwd) The duplicate problem may be over. Keep your fingers crossed. Steve Eberhart - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2 Oct 1998 00:39:09 -0000 From: Russell Nelson To: Steven Eberhart Cc: major@teleport.com Subject: Re: duplicate mail list messages Steven Eberhart writes: > This is one of many duplicates I have received of the same mail list > message. THese duplicates are coming from the mail list > krnet-l@teleport.com > > THis is rendering the mail list almost useless as no one wants to send off > a dozen messages to everyone. I have just this moment reconfigured the aliases in a manner that I believe will stop the duplicates. Please tell me if you see any duplicates where the dates on the Received: lines are after this date: Fri Oct 2 00:38:34 EDT 1998 - -- - -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | Freedom is the primary 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | cause of Peace, Love, Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | Truth and Justice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:41:02 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins >> JKM001@aol.com wrote: >> >> "As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins>>>> A "wood winged KR" is basically the original Pulsar. Theres plenty of them flying. However the upgraded Pulsar 2's are now all composite RP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:35:50 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Only 20 years? you are giving up too early. an 83 year old friend of mine jusst started building a Pulsar 2 RP >Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:55:07 -0700 >From: Gordon Brimhall >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >I like working with wood and fiberglass, at one time in my job history I did >tooling for making vacuum bagged fiberglass parts. I also worked as an aircraft >machinist for both McDonald Douglas and Rockwell on the B-1 Bomber. I love wood, >smells good, feels good. I am 56 years old, if I build a wood/glass airplane and >it last for 20 years I think I would be too old to fly it. > >Gordon > >Leaning towards a KR-2 very hard. > > >Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 10/1/98 2:17:20 AM, you wrote: >> >> <> design.>> >> >> It would seem to me that old ideas die hard. I believe that N4DD has been >> flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years with this "unproven" >> material. This aircraft has been flown fairly hard and still appears to be >> structurally sound. Burt Rutan designs have survived very well through the use >> of this technology and continue to outperform all of the other "proven" >> materials. >> >> I think a lot of the criticism fiberglass gets is due to the fact that people >> don't understand the material and the resins used. Just ask any RV builder if >> there is a material better suited to aircraft construction than >> aluminum........ People will believe what they want. >> >> Steve Horn >> Horn2004@aol.com >> Dallas, TX > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:44:06 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus If you can get the brat engine, grab it. It is an ea81, 1800 cc. The cam tork on the brat engine peaks out at around 2300 - 2600 rpm. It is a real torky son of a gun. I am using the 100 hp asian 1800 cc engine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:47:23 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I didn't think I was that fat !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:48:22 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Agreed!! But not with a type 4 engine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:03:32 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: A little Prose...(long) Just for fun here's a little story of how my building sometimes goes. No good technical info but maybe some shared experience to keep you building. "The local RV4 pilot has a nice hoist I can borrow. I think I'll go pick it up saturday morning and hang my motor. Then I can fit up my cowl, add the camlocs to the brackets and see where everything will go by the end of the weekend!" "Picking it up went well, now I'll just fix it so it works... I'd better pile some lead in the tail before I hang the motor... Okay thats the hard part the motor is on. It's already Sunday but now I'll just fit up the cowl...Okay it looks like the exhaust needs to be changed...pull it off and try again." "Hummm, all the air keeps coming out of my tires...I guess I'll block it up to take the weight off and plan to go back in and replace the tubes later but I still want to put the cowl on." "The cowl needs some trimming around the oil filter, fit, trim, fit, trim. etc. Now the oil cooler fittings are just touching. I guess I'll forget about the cowl this weekend and shift the oil cooler back a little. I should really make a new mount for it. Maybe even a composite inlet duct which seals to the cowl. I'll leave it off for now till the cowl is fit up and attached." More days go by... " I'll need longer oil cooler lines. Hey this oil cooler leaks. Okay so I'll get a new oil cooler and make attack brackets and cooling ducts later but first I want to fit up the cowl..." "Exhaust research, oil cooler research, oil lines...new tubes I'd better start another shopping list." "Okay, the cowl fits with temporary screws holding it to the brackets but the top half and bottom half flanges are a little warped and it doesn't fit together well in front. I guess I'll trim the flange off the lower cowl where its causing a problem...I'd better do that first then go back later and glass up some new flanges. Trim, fit, trim, fit okay now maybe I can fainally add the camlocs and plan where everything MIGHT go." "First thing though I should paint the brackets then install the camlocs wet with paint to avoid dissimilar metal corrosion... now it's all wet." "I guess I'll work on the tailwheel until the paint dries. Oh well, maybe next week I can add the cowl..I should start thinking about cabin heat too, hmmm..." Sometimes it sure feels like it will be a LONG time to finish! - -Peter "still trying to attach my cowl" Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:11:47 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: New web site For all you potential KR1 builders who are on the fence. Here is another option. http://www.mini-imp.com/ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:49:55 EDT From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Thank you for your support Steve. I was beginning to feel a little over taken. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:46:30 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Thanks for reminding me. !!! Best regards, talk to you later steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:50:05 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Sounds good, hope I am still alive at 83 and yearning to build something else. Probably have blow up foam planes with throw away engines by then. Gordon PS. Only one in our family to make over 80 was Uncle C who never left the slow pace of back country Arkansas. When they come paved the road between him and grandma he said it was time to move further in. Richard Parker wrote: > Only 20 years? you are giving up too early. an 83 year old friend of > mine jusst started building a Pulsar 2 > RP > > >Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:55:07 -0700 > >From: Gordon Brimhall > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > > >I like working with wood and fiberglass, at one time in my job history > I did > >tooling for making vacuum bagged fiberglass parts. I also worked as an > aircraft > >machinist for both McDonald Douglas and Rockwell on the B-1 Bomber. I > love wood, > >smells good, feels good. I am 56 years old, if I build a wood/glass > airplane and > >it last for 20 years I think I would be too old to fly it. > > > >Gordon > > > >Leaning towards a KR-2 very hard. > > > > > >Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 10/1/98 2:17:20 AM, you wrote: > >> > >> < specific > >> design.>> > >> > >> It would seem to me that old ideas die hard. I believe that N4DD has > been > >> flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years with this "unproven" > >> material. This aircraft has been flown fairly hard and still appears > to be > >> structurally sound. Burt Rutan designs have survived very well > through the use > >> of this technology and continue to outperform all of the other > "proven" > >> materials. > >> > >> I think a lot of the criticism fiberglass gets is due to the fact > that people > >> don't understand the material and the resins used. Just ask any RV > builder if > >> there is a material better suited to aircraft construction than > >> aluminum........ People will believe what they want. > >> > >> Steve Horn > >> Horn2004@aol.com > >> Dallas, TX > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:21:59 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: KR: Weights of sides Hi All, Sides are done. For those of you keeping track of weights my finished (skinned, sanded but not varnished) sides weigh 10.25lbs each (OK so Iied one side weighs 10.4 lbs and other 9.9lbs ;-?)) Both sides are 4.0 inches longer than standard KR2S.. Also, the rear height is 10" instead of 11". That shows how well I can mulitply 2.75 with four (drawings are 1:4 and every time I need a missing dimension I measure it on the plans and multiply by four). One page of plans done. Woo Hoo. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:01:23 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Is the Subaru XT turbo coupe motor a good engine for a Kr? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:00:44 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Subarus At 08:01 AM 10/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >Is the Subaru XT turbo coupe motor a good engine for a Kr? > I think it weighs over 300 pounds! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:36:29 EDT From: SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins Steve Got alot out of your seminar in Perry, THANKS. I have one of your 2180s,and live in Colo.Springs,and am thinking that at this elevation I could really benefit from a turbo.Other than changing my compression to 7 to 1,(which means i have to get new push rods due to the spacers added )is there anything else i would have to do to my engine?Is the cam suited for turbo ? Its going in a KR2. Thanks again Garry (slim) Wingard@ SLIMPIDLIN .com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:51:53 EDT From: SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus Steve One other thing i wanted to ask you,I have one of your props,it is a 52x54.In your opinion,is it a good choice for turbo 2180 tri geared KR2? What pitch are you guys out there ,running on yours?All comments or advice welcome Thanks Garry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:54:04 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: VW prop In a message dated 98-10-04 07:52:40 EDT, you write: << One other thing i wanted to ask you,I have one of your props,it is a 52x54.In your opinion,is it a good choice for turbo 2180 tri geared KR2? >> I am turning a 54X46 Sterba at 3400 static with Steve's 2180 upgrade kit. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:26:58 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus No. It is too heavy and the turbo presents a whole lot of other problems and compexities. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:58:37 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins and cylinder shims. steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:57:59 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Subarus but remember, weight dosen't matter! steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:59:26 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Subarus need more info call 4024936507 steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:00:11 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: VW prop and you will climb about 1200 fpm.. steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:04:13 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Landing lights If any of you guys are using landing lights that have replaceable bulbs go to: http://hometown.aol.com/EuroLights/index.html for some kick butt bulbs! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:59:22 -0400 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Landing lights At 11:04 PM 10/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >If any of you guys are using landing lights that have replaceable bulbs go to: > >http://hometown.aol.com/EuroLights/index.html > >for some kick butt bulbs! Very interesting. I'm going to see what a pair of 9004's cost for my Dodge Caravan. BTW: I had to go to http://members.aol.com/EuroLights/index.html WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. FidoNet: 1:379/33 Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #157 *****************************