From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:45 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #161 krnet-l-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 161 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:00:31 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Sight Gauge At 09:36 AM 10/11/98 EDT, you wrote: >This is of miniscual importance with the interesting thread floating around on >hemlock, but...........................what kind of elbow is is everyone using >to thru the instrument panel for a sight gauge? > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > I have no elbow, just the clear fuel line from GPS making the bend. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:15:30 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Finally Got The Tail Up! I had cherry plums delusions of flying this weekend. Monday morning dawns clear and no wind but I once again put it off. This afternoon I drag the plane out to do some taxi runs. Still seems twitchy so I taxi back and quickly adjust the chain so it is almost like Jeff's. Up 'til now I am wondering if I should sell the plane and buy a tricycle. Or maybe fly Troy or Jim in to give me some dual. Yea that is the BESTEST way. Nah, probably never work out. Taxi back to Runway 15 and I notice that turning is not as easy...but I do have some rudder motion BEFORE the go-cart wheel turns. Turn south, make sure the mixture is in (I got caught on this before) and start moving. Hmmm, this is easier. I like it. Back taxi on 33 just because I can. And others gladly yield to my swerving taxiing. After a few runs, I slowly add forward pressure. Nothing yet. Again roll down 15. This time sometime incredible happens.... the nose starts dropping. Oh my, the tail is really coming up. So I figure I have less than a minute before I crash and die a horrible death but no, I keep moving. The pitch is NOT getting me. I am maintaining rudder control and best of all..I can see. I see the runway centerline, the edge of both sides of the runway, runway lights, grass, blue sky. Everything is the way it should be. Hallelujah, I can see. I even glance at the airspeed indicator and it is around 40 mph. It works too! Pull back on the power, try to maintain nose up with more forward stick then eventually the tail drops, stick back and I roll to a stop. I am happy now! Taxi back and lo and behold, I get the nose up again. It is even easier this time. RPM never over about 2900. No need to push it yet. It is afternoon and this is not the time to get airborne with sunset coming soon. I made perhaps 10 runs with the tail up. Even finally did it going uphill with a slight tailwind. Pitch control was not perfect but was adequate. The bugaboo pitch thingie may be partially behind me. Not sure what I should do next other than a few more runs. I am getting close to take-off speed (60 mph-ish I assume). Seems kinda anti-climatic now. The nose just slowly dropped as the tail came up. No jerky reaction to stop it. Nice and smooth. Maybe I can fly this thing after all. I had thought before today that once I got the tail up, I was going to fly. This way seems better. I have essentially mastered pitch and yaw during the critical period of transition to/from flight. So now I need not be worried on my first landing. Only 1.5 years to get to this point. Maybe the next step will take less time. Ron "Sure is quieter with the tail wheel off the ground" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:39:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Very interesting web site Kobus de Wet >Cape Town, South Africa >GMT + 2.00 >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ Kobus, I was just checking out your page and for the first time I noticed you have a type 4 engine installed. What size is it? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:40:31 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Heat shrink tubing In a message dated 10/12/98 8:13:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << What is the preferred way to shrink the tubing? Will a hair dryer get it hot enough, or does it take a little torch? >> No, don't use a torch! You can use a match flame to do the job if you want. That's what we usually used in shops for a "quick and dirty" source of heat or the heat from the soldering iron. We finally got some heat guns in which were along the lines of a hair dryer but hotter and I hardly have to think about the matches any more. The tubing shrinks pretty fast with enough heat. A match flame would locate the heat to a very small area, might be quicker than a hair dryer, and is certainly cheaper! Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:00:04 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: KR Parts for sale I have the following parts for sale (Best offer takes) All are new - never been installed. 1. KR2 Turtledeck 2. KR2 Canopy frame 3. Cowling - I think this is for the standard VW, but I'm not sure 4. VW engine mount - Again I'm not sure if this is for VW, or Revmaster / Great Plains 5. Diehl Supercase (flywheel, alternator, magneto drive, and starter mount) 6. Great Plains starter motor 7. KR2 Forward deck 8. and about 100 misc. parts and accessories (just ask) If interested, please respond off KRNet (direct email to me) Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:03:28 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Sight Gauge (joke) but...........................what kind of elbow is is everyone using >>to thru the instrument panel for a sight gauge? >I have no elbow, just the clear fuel line from GPS making the bend. > > Bobby Muse Bobby, I didn't know GPS supported fuel quantities. What will satellite makers come up with next. :) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:21:39 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Heat shrink tubing JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/12/98 8:13:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > > << What is the preferred way to shrink the tubing? Will a hair dryer > get it hot enough, or does it take a little torch? >> > > No, don't use a torch! You can use a match flame to do the > job if you want. That's what we usually used in shops for a "quick > and dirty" source of heat or the heat from the soldering iron. You also need to be careful with too much heat melting the tubing. I have been using Radio Shack heat shrink and it will melt if it gets too hot. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:22 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: EAA SW Regional Fly-in The EAA SW Regional Fly-in will be held here in Abilene this week-end. Since I've not seen anything on the net I'm wondering if any of you will be able to make it. Surely do hope someone out there will be able to show the folks here what beautiful KR's are. Hope to see some of you. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:19:12 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Epoxy Why does he swear by it over other options? I use west sytems and have been real happy with it (other than the price) >From: "Joa" >To: >Subject: Re: KR: Hemlock vs Spruce >Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:15:18 -0700 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Have any of you used MAS epoxies? I have a friend who is a professional >boat builder, and who use to build planes professionally, who swears by it >over West, System3, etc. He uses it for *all* his gluing, laminating, etc. > >Joa > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 5:26 PM >Subject: Re: KR: Hemlock vs Spruce > > >>At 12:46 PM 10/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >>>Laminte the spars with what???? >> >>I plan on using T-88 epoxy glue.. >> >>WD >>Wayne DeLisle Sr. >>Email:support@sestar.net >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:02:36 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) R.H.Mole wrote: > > Tom, > > very helpful - with your 150lbs and full fuel no baggage do you know > your cg position aft of the LE by any chance (as I guess you will know - > please excuse if so - it would be cool if you could weigh in this > configuration with the top fus longerons approx level).? > > How would you assess the stick forces in a 60deg bank turn (ie 2g)? > > Richard > > In this configuration, the CG is at 11.23. Stick forces in a 60 deg. turn- I would say heavy in roll, normal in pitch. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:16:18 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-10-12 10:18:46 EDT, you write: > > << In hindsight, I would make my trim tab bigger >> > > WHat is the size of your trim tab. > > Haris Dont have the plane in front of me, so I cant measure it, but I built it per plans. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:28:59 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Heat shrink tubing A match works pretty good too Rich Parker >On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> Hello, Netters >> >> Dumb question here. Recommendation has been made for putting a piece of >> heat-shrink tubing on over the ends of cut control cables after >> installing the nicopress, so that there aren't frayed wires there to >> snag your fingers or other stuff. What is the preferred way to shrink >> the tubing? Will a hair dryer get it hot enough, or does it take a >> little torch? The thought of working a torch around in some of the >> confined spaces doesn't sound too cool (little pun there). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:37:42 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Interesting Website (SW Regional Fly-in) The Website for the EAA Southwest Regional Fly-in in Avilene, TX is: www.mrdata.com/airshows/ Ya'll come. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:24:58 +0100 From: "R.H.Mole" Subject: RE: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) Tom, thats very helpful. I do appreciate the effort required to get this data. If you wanted to play at test pilot, then armed with a simple spring balance showing say zero to a few pounds (perhaps 5 lbs) you could temporaily hook it around the stick (where your hand goes) after you have established a steady 60 deg bank turn and holding the other end held in your flying hand you could then read off the stick force in the pitch direction for a balanced 60 deg turn (ie 1 g over and above straight and level flight). You would have to be trimmed straight and level first of course. If you would do this and tell me the result it would help a lot since stick force per g is one of the most important factors in stability and control. Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Crawford [SMTP:tomc@afn.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 5:03 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) > > R.H.Mole wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > very helpful - with your 150lbs and full fuel no baggage do you know > > your cg position aft of the LE by any chance (as I guess you will > know - > > please excuse if so - it would be cool if you could weigh in this > > configuration with the top fus longerons approx level).? > > > > How would you assess the stick forces in a 60deg bank turn (ie 2g)? > > > > Richard > > > > > In this configuration, the CG is at 11.23. > Stick forces in a 60 deg. turn- I would say heavy in roll, normal in > pitch. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:51:01 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Interesting Website (SW Regional Fly-in) I thought South/West was in Hinkley Calif where I live? Or is that S/W Texas? You All Have A Great Time! Gordon Getting Shop ready Sharpening Saw Blades VW & Suberu Engine On the floor. Saving For Plans Robert Maniss wrote: > The Website for the EAA Southwest Regional Fly-in in Avilene, TX is: > > www.mrdata.com/airshows/ > > Ya'll come. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:40:43 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Re: Flaps (Anecdote) At 11:18 AM 10/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-10-12 07:37:41 EDT, you write: > ><< These modifications are limited to the certifiably insane, of course.. >> > >Actual response by a friend. > >"Are you going to convert this (pointing toward the spruce on top of my car) >pile of wood in a plane and then fly it yourself. WHAT ARE YOU INSANE. Whats >wrong with models". > >Haris > When Ken Rand first brought home the spruce to build the KR-1, he told Jeannette it was for a patio cover. Dave Moore David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nv. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:32:49 -0700 From: "Joa" Subject: KR: Re: Re: Epoxy I think because it is more flexible (can mix any hardener with any resin to produce about any combination of cure speed.) Also has lower viscosity than West and if you mix the slow and fast hardener has a pretty fast cure with almost no blushing. The fellow I'm referring has used them all (West, System 3, etc.) and does a lot of building and seems to like this one. He has no direct affiliation with MAS. Since I'm here in cold Central Oregon I'm considering using their no-blush Wintercure (or Cool Cure as its now called) epoxy. It has a mix of fast and slow hardeners and gives good results down to about freezing. My garage isn't heated :( They have a web page... www.masepoxies.com Joa "If you ain't missing a plane now and again you're spending way too much time at the airport." Burt Rutan, Oshkosh 98 - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 5:19 AM Subject: KR: Re: Epoxy >Why does he swear by it over other options? I use west sytems and have >been real happy with it (other than the price) > >>From: "Joa" >>To: >>Subject: Re: KR: Hemlock vs Spruce >>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:15:18 -0700 >>Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> >>Have any of you used MAS epoxies? I have a friend who is a >professional >>boat builder, and who use to build planes professionally, who swears by > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:02:06 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Sneaky >When Ken Rand first brought home the spruce to build the KR-1, he >told Jeannette it was for a patio cover. Great minds think alike. ( or at least were just all afraid of our wives.) After my sides were laid out on the table my wife figured out that I wasnt building a pedal powered airplane for my 1 year old son. I also had 20 hours logged before she knew I was working on my pilots license. (repeat offender) Rich Parker Its easier to beg for forgiveness than to plead for permission. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:51:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Sneaky On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Richard Parker wrote: > > >When Ken Rand first brought home the spruce to build the KR-1, he >told > Jeannette it was for a patio cover. > > Great minds think alike. ( or at least were just all afraid of our > wives.) > > After my sides were laid out on the table my wife figured out that I > wasnt building a pedal powered airplane for my 1 year old son. > I also had 20 hours logged before she knew I was working on my pilots > license. (repeat offender) > > Rich Parker > Its easier to beg for forgiveness than to plead for permission. I think we all are guilty. Could this be the reason why so few wives ever fly in the airplanes we build? It is usually the second wife that gets to fly in the plane. Luckily I am still on my first wife but yes, she doesn't know about the flying lessons last summer, yet. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:48:58 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Anybody help this guy? KR-2S BUILDER MANUAL AND PLANS. . I am looking for a complete copy of the manual and plans for a Rand Robinson KR-2S. If you have one for sale, please email me. Contact Shawn Thompson in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. -- Posted: 10/14/98 sdthomps@hotmail.com Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:42:26 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Sneaky >> Rich Parker >> Its easier to beg for forgiveness than to plead for permission. > >I think we all are guilty. Could this be the reason why so few wives ever >fly in the airplanes we build? It is usually the second wife that gets to >fly in the plane. > >Luckily I am still on my first wife but yes, she doesn't know about the >flying lessons last summer, yet. > >Steve Eberhart This makes me wonder if marriage is captivity, or the bonding of two humans with free will who should still be able to do their interests and still be married. Why is all the secrecy necessary? Are they all unreasonable? Or is it all due to a 'becoming a widow' fear at the bottom of it? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:14:03 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: EAA SW Regional Fly-in On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:22 -0700 Robert Maniss writes: >The EAA SW Regional Fly-in will be held here in Abilene this week-end. > >Since I've not seen anything on the net I'm wondering if any of you will >be able to make it. Surely do hope someone out there will be able to >show the folks here what beautiful KR's are. Hope to see some of you. >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX > Oh Man. I'd love to come, but have already promised to have my plane at another fly-in in Las Cruces this weekend. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:35:47 -0400 From: Tim Key Subject: KR: KR-2 project For Sale I have a KR-2 project for sale. Details are: Complete set of plans Fuselage- tub and main spars complete on retract gear Tail Surfaces- 90% Complete Main Spars- installed in fuselage Wing Spars- complete Wing Attach Fittings- complete Wheels- installed Brakes- installed VW- aluminum engine mount I have a standard RR canopy. Misc. AN hardware, glue, epoxies. I am selling because my family has outgrown the airplane (3 boys) and time with the children is important of lately. I am asking $1000 or best offer. EMAIL me privately at: timkey@gdi.net Tim Key Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:15:25 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) Tom Crawford wrote: > > HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 98-10-12 10:18:46 EDT, you write: > > > > << In hindsight, I would make my trim tab bigger >> > > > > WHat is the size of your trim tab. > > > > Haris > > Dont have the plane in front of me, so I cant measure it, but I built it > per plans. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC For those interested I have some info on trim tabs. N4DD has a 6 1/4" long that is 3" wide inboard and 2 5/8" outboard. Travel is 21 deg. up and 16 deg. down. I don't rember thinking that i needed more when flying it. This was with the 2180 VW and it flew for years with the 2600 type 4 VW. I will ask Dan if he rembers if it was adequate. Empty weight was 614.5 lbs and CG at 20.29 aft of the firewall. Martin Roberts trim tab is larger but I havn't talked with him since i measured it. it measures 8" long 3" wide inboard and 2 1/2" outboard. I didn't measure travel. Hope this helps. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:23:49 -0500 From: Bruce Gomm Subject: KR: KR-2 For Sale I have a KR-2 project for sale. Details are: Fuselage- all wood parts complete Tail Surfaces- Complete Main Spars- Installed in fuselage Wing Spars- Complete Wing Attach Fittings - Installed Rudder Pedals- Installed Diehl Tri-Gear- Mains Installed Cleveland Wheels- Installed Cleveland Brakes- Installed Flaps- 75% Complete Seats- 90% Complete Engine - Revmaster 1834D with 5 hours Total Time and propeller. It has been stored for several years but it is on a stand and I started and ran it 2 years ago. I have a standard RR canopy - however it does have scratches. I also have several sheets of 1" and 2" foam, enough fiberglass to finish, a couple of yards of carbon fiber for wing walks, control cables, misc. pieces of spruce, an original retract gear, misc. AN hardware, and a couple of instruments. I am selling because of lack of time - I like to fly more than I like to build. I am asking $3500. EMAIL me privately at: brucegomm@sprintmail.com Bruce Gomm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:15:02 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Sneaky Guilty ! (I am not alone - What a relief ) Never would have guessed that about you Steve. Rich >Luckily I am still on my first wife but yes, she doesn't know about the >flying lessons last summer, yet. > >Steve Eberhart ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:07:08 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 For Sale where is the kr located?...........thanks Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:55:00 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) R.H.Mole wrote: > > Tom, > > thats very helpful. I do appreciate the effort required to get this > data. > > If you wanted to play at test pilot, then armed with a simple spring > balance showing say zero to a few pounds (perhaps 5 lbs) you could > temporaily hook it around the stick (where your hand goes) after you > have established a steady 60 deg bank turn and holding the other end > held in your flying hand you could then read off the stick force in the > pitch direction for a balanced 60 deg turn (ie 1 g over and above > straight and level flight). You would have to be trimmed straight and > level first of course. > > If you would do this and tell me the result it would help a lot since > stick force per g is one of the most important factors in stability and > control. > > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Crawford [SMTP:tomc@afn.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 5:03 PM > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: Re: KR: Elevator trim tab travel -(dead horse alert!) > > > > R.H.Mole wrote: > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > very helpful - with your 150lbs and full fuel no baggage do you know > > > your cg position aft of the LE by any chance (as I guess you will > > know - > > > please excuse if so - it would be cool if you could weigh in this > > > configuration with the top fus longerons approx level).? > > > > > > How would you assess the stick forces in a 60deg bank turn (ie 2g)? > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > In this configuration, the CG is at 11.23. > > Stick forces in a 60 deg. turn- I would say heavy in roll, normal in > > pitch. > > > > Tom Crawford > > tomc@afn.org > > Gainesville, FL > > N262TC I will start looking for a scale. Maybe a fish scale? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:43:03 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Panel Planner Hello, Netters I have the Panel Planner software of Dana's, but I'm not building at the moment so please tell me if you were wanting it so I can send it on to you. Otherwise, it will be safe here for the winter ;o) And for any who didn't know, Paul Martin's rebuilt KR-2 got signed off by the FAA last week. Paul and Linda are in Hawaii at the moment (Mike- what did you start with all the island vacationing?), so it looks like first flight may not be until November. I think he's trailering it down to Groom Lake for first flight ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:43:23 -0400 From: Mike Cochran Subject: KR: KR'S In area Can any one tell me if there are any KR's or any UL's In the Brunswick or Jekyll Is; area in Georgia. Im going to be at Jekyll Island from 10-19 to 10-22. Thanks Mike Cochran. Americus Ga. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:37:18 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: EAA SW Regional Fly-in At 05:33 PM 10/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >The EAA SW Regional Fly-in will be held here in Abilene this week-end. >Since I've not seen anything on the net I'm wondering if any of you will >be able to make it. Surely do hope someone out there will be able to >show the folks here what beautiful KR's are. Hope to see some of you. >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX > I'll be there Saturday if the weather permits! Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:49:29 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Sight Gauge (joke) At 12:03 AM 10/13/98 -0700, you wrote: > but...........................what kind of elbow is is everyone using >>>to thru the instrument panel for a sight gauge? > >>I have no elbow, just the clear fuel line from GPS making the bend. >> >> Bobby Muse > > >Bobby, I didn't know GPS supported fuel quantities. What will satellite >makers come up with next. >:) > >Robert Covington > > > I meant to say GPAS(Great Plains Aiecraft Supply). I saw that mistake just after I had mailed it. I won't ever lt it happen again.* Seriously, my clear fuel line connects to the fuel tank(header only) with nothing more than a slip-on fit. I have a 1/4" O.D. al. tube in the top and one near the bottom of the tank. Both tubes have a small flair at the end so by slipping on the 1/4" I.D. clear fuel line, a secure, tight and leak proof fit is made. No clamps are used. Also, there is a third 1/4" O.D. al. tube(flaired) at the top of the tank, used as a vent/overflow line. This is connect via a clear 1/4" I.D. line to vent tube on the belly of my KR. I have been flyng this way for over five years. I replaced the clear tubing once because it started to darken a little which made the fuel level a little difficult to read. For me this works really well. Since my fuel tank is removeable, this arrangement make removing the tank quick and easy. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:05:24 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KRNET Shirt & Exhaust Manifolds Well, I'm in a bit of pain with an infection that feels like a toothache. Nothing that 1000mg of Tylenol and some antibiotics cant fix. The good news is that I got home early yesterday, and found that Oscar had dropped off my KRnet shirts! They are nice! I will be headed down Oscars way this weekend, and will get to pay for them. Thanks Oscar! As you can see, I am wearing my KRnet shirt now. Impressive isn't it. I also got a call last night that my exhaust manifold was ready. It was a bit more $$$ than I had anticipated $194.00 but it is REALLY NICE. Since I will be tooling down to Medford, OR this weekend, I probably won't get to hang it on the engine until next weekend to try it out. The coating has a stainless steel look to it, silver in color. The coating appears to be so thin, that I question whether it will do any good, however, this means it's LIGHT in weight. Stay tuned to see how well this works out. I've ordered some new rudder pedals from RR last week to replace the ones I had brazed...(can you say stupid). I am now reviewing my project to see where else I may have done somthing stupid. I think that was the only one. They broke while stomping on the breaks during a static engine start test. (The engine was flooded, and didn't start). S000... hopefully by December I will be taxiing up and down in the rain, assuming I finish my canopy latch. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:19:17 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Sneaky I snuck home my first computer "Tandy Model 1" My wife thought it was another TV and that it cost 150.00 not 995.00. Thats was about 7 computers ago. I ended up in a computer position with the govt, retired computer spec now. My wife after 31 years knows she cannot talk me out of my hobbies. I started Home Brewing and ended up starting a Home Brew Club then opened up a Home Brew Store. Now that the airplane bug has reared it's nasty head again she wonders if I will build one or twelve. But she has joined me in every one with support. We went to the EAA last june, she understands. Gordon Richard Parker wrote: > >When Ken Rand first brought home the spruce to build the KR-1, he >told > Jeannette it was for a patio cover. > > Great minds think alike. ( or at least were just all afraid of our > wives.) > > After my sides were laid out on the table my wife figured out that I > wasnt building a pedal powered airplane for my 1 year old son. > I also had 20 hours logged before she knew I was working on my pilots > license. (repeat offender) > > Rich Parker > Its easier to beg for forgiveness than to plead for permission. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:00:39 -0500 From: Bruce Gomm Subject: KR: KR-2 For Sale I forgot to mention that I am located near Des Moines, Iowa. Bruce Gomm brucegomm@sprintmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:28:44 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Fam rides A friend of mine mentioned its a good idea to get the owner/ builder to sign off your log book the same way a CFI would sign you off when you get fam rides or instruction in the type of aircraft you are building/expecting to fly. I guess the logic is that the builder/owner knows the airplane better than any CFI would. Its supposed to help on your insurance. Anyone ever heard of this? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:22:07 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Web Page Update I finally updated my web page and posted a few really bad pictures of my project - sorry, I'm no photographer. If you care to take a gander at how I recovered from errors I made with my tail post and trim tab installations, take a look at: http://members.aol.com/eaglegator and go to the "My Project" page. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:34:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: FW: The Truth Behind "Plane Crazy" The following was posted on the rec.aviation.homebuilt newsgroup. Sorry to throw it on KRNet, but we had this discussion a while back. I don't mean to start a new thread on it (BY ANY MEANS) but it answers a few questions, and substantiates what we all thought and said at the time... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Truth Behind "Plane Crazy" by Martin Hollmann Aircraft builders and pilots are a unique group of people. The are characterized by their technical interests and ability to build and create mechanical things. They are usually entrepreneurs that own their own companies and they are especially sensitive to anyone attempting to limit their freedom of creating and flying. It is therefore no wonder that ALL pilots I talked too were appalled about the movie "Plane Crazy." This movie was created by Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) for Channel 4 in England and was shown in England and nationwide in the U.S. by P.B.S. It deals with a man named Robert X. Cringely (real name 'Mark Stephens') who wants to design and build an airplane in 30 days. At the start and during the show he boasts that he has built 5 aircraft. This and other statements made by Stephens are nonsense. The FAA records show that he has owned only one flyable aircraft registered in his name and this aircraft is a 1982 Glasair, serial number 102. The aircraft was purchased and built by Fritz Bright of Buckley, WA and later co-owned by Stephens. Stephens is a pilot but from his performance he seems to be a rather poor pilot. At the very beginning he is shown flying a little "Bradley Aerobat" over San Francisco. What the flick does not show is Stephens crashing the aircraft. The owner of the Bradely had told Stephens that the aircraft had an approach speed of 60-65 mph. Stephens brusquely told him he didn't need to be told such mundane information. Later, upon landing Stephens used 85 mph on approach, floated down the runway, was too proud to do a go-around, and crashed off the far end. Stephens then called the owner and told him to come and pick up his airplane. When the owner and the TV crew arrived, Stephens berated the owner for foisting off a grossly unsafe plane on him. The owner, a much cooler head then Stephens, pointed to two teenagers with him and told Stephens that each of them had over 60 hours in the plane so it is highly unlikely that it was too unsafe. Mark Stephens contacted me to design a composite, two place aircraft for a documentary film. He told me that he was going to build it in 30 days. I told him that this was impossible. He also told me that he had built five aircraft. I believed these credentials and designed the aircraft for him. About four months after start, I called Stephens and asked him about his progress. He told me that he had completed one wing skin and two fuselage shells. I told him that he needed serious help. Little did I know how serious and that it was more than just for building. A meeting was set up with Stephens, me, and his producer, Stephen Segaller of OPB. We agreed that it would take at least 6 more months with the help of at least two or more experienced people, working full time, to complete the airplane. After the meeting, Peter Garrison was asked to give his recommendations. Based on the very poor workmanship, he recommended against continuing the "Cringley Wonder" as Stephens (Cringely) had called his airplane. The movie then shows Stephens cutting up the "Cringely Wonder" with a chain saw and hauling it off to the junk yard. After this fiasco, Stephens contacts the Fisher Aero Company who, with a crew of six, end up building a Fisher Youngster V for him in 29 days. After ground looping the aircraft he flys the Youngster V (with no crash helmet) for the first time. End of movie. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:45:10 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: Sight Gauge (joke) >Seriously, my clear fuel line connects to the fuel tank(header only) >with >nothing more than a slip-on fit. I have a 1/4" O.D. al. tube in the >top and >one near the bottom of the tank. Both tubes have a small flair at the >end >so by slipping on the 1/4" I.D. clear fuel line, a secure, tight and >leak >proof fit is made. No clamps are used. > >Also, there is a third 1/4" O.D. al. tube(flaired) at the top of the >tank, >used as a vent/overflow line. This is connect via a clear 1/4" I.D. >line to >vent tube on the belly of my KR. > >I have been flyng this way for over five years. I replaced the clear >tubing >once because it started to darken a little which made the fuel level a >little difficult to read. > >For me this works really well. Since my fuel tank is removeable, this >arrangement make removing the tank quick and easy. > > > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX This method sounds much too simple, economical, and light in weight to be popular with modern KR builders.... Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse - ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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