From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 1:36 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #165 krnet-l-digest Friday, October 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 165 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:44:22 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Some where I had information on the Airfoil Fund but lost it. I have not started building so have time for their testing stage. I also had the Web address of the site doing the Airfoil. Help! Gordon Suberu & 2 VW engines standing by . Steven Eberhart wrote: > On 22 Oct 1998, Lempola Esko wrote: > > > Hello KRnetters! > > > > Have there been any progress in testing the new airfoil? I haven't heard any > > news about > > that for a loooong time. > > > [snip] > > Esko Lempola > > A lot has been happening behind the scenes. THe wind tunnel tests were > completed this summer and Troy Petteway (see Sport Aviation article Sept. > 1995 "A Couple of KR's") is re-winging his airplane with the new 16% > airfoil. Due to business committments, his progress hasn't been as rapid > as we would have liked. Coordinates have not been published by the > University pending successful test flying of Troy's airplane. Several > sets of building templates have been released to builders that were at the > spar building stage and who needed the information to continue but release > was with the understanding that there may have to be changes if we found > out anything unexpected in the test flying phase. > > There are two different wing configurations possible with the new > airfoils. One is a constant thickness 16% wing that can use the stock > spars and a 18% root with 15% tip that requires thicker spars. In both > cases the incidence angle is reduced from 3 1/2 degrees to 1 degree at the > root. So, if you have already bonded in your spars the rear spar will > need to be cut free and raised to yield the 1 degree incidence. If you > haven't bonded in your spars and plan to use the new airfoils wait until > we have the test flying data before you bond the spars to the fuselage. > > As a side note, Ashok spent the summer working for Bert Rutan at Scaled > Composites. As part of his work there he designed the airfoils for the > new Boomerang II. Very impressive addition to his resume if you ask me. > As has always been the case, all that contributed to the airfoil fund will > receive full size building templates of the new airfoils sized for the > KR-2 wing as soon as the test flying is completed. > > Troy thinks that he will have his airplane flying yet this year so we > should be getting close to having the test flying results we have been > waiting for. THis project has taken longer than we would have liked but > the results hopefully will be worth the wait. > > As new events happen, I will keep the KRnetters up to date. We would love > to see Troy and his airplane at Sun 'n Fun so all can see the new wing and > its effect on handling and performance. > > Steve Eberhart > ------------------------------------- > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:05:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? All contributors of $100 or more will receive a full size set of plotter printed templates that have all center lines drawn as well as water line level lines so that the incidence can be set correctly during construction. Mark Langford is plotting the great looking template sheets for us. As I mentioned earlier, we are holding sending out the final templates pending the test flying of Troy Petteway's airplane with the new airfoil. For those that just have to have the templates because of the stage of construction they are at we have sent out several sets with the understanding that the 15% and 18% airfoils have been successfully wind tunnel tested but not flight tested. The 16% airfoil was not wind tunnel tested but was designed using the same design rules and is the one that is on Troy's airplane. All contributions to the airfoil fund can be sent to me at: Steve Eberhart P.O. Box 9227 Evansville, IN 47724 The web site on the airfoil project is at http://www.newtech.com/nlf Hope this answers your questions. Thanks, Steve Eberhart On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Gordon Brimhall wrote: > Some where I had information on the Airfoil Fund but lost it. I have not started > building so have time for their testing stage. I also had the Web address of the > site doing the Airfoil. Help! > > Gordon > Suberu & 2 > VW engines standing by > > . > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > > On 22 Oct 1998, Lempola Esko wrote: > > > > > Hello KRnetters! > > > > > > Have there been any progress in testing the new airfoil? I haven't heard any > > > news about > > > that for a loooong time. > > > > > [snip] > > > Esko Lempola > > > > A lot has been happening behind the scenes. THe wind tunnel tests were > > completed this summer and Troy Petteway (see Sport Aviation article Sept. > > 1995 "A Couple of KR's") is re-winging his airplane with the new 16% > > airfoil. Due to business committments, his progress hasn't been as rapid > > as we would have liked. Coordinates have not been published by the > > University pending successful test flying of Troy's airplane. Several > > sets of building templates have been released to builders that were at the > > spar building stage and who needed the information to continue but release > > was with the understanding that there may have to be changes if we found > > out anything unexpected in the test flying phase. > > > > There are two different wing configurations possible with the new > > airfoils. One is a constant thickness 16% wing that can use the stock > > spars and a 18% root with 15% tip that requires thicker spars. In both > > cases the incidence angle is reduced from 3 1/2 degrees to 1 degree at the > > root. So, if you have already bonded in your spars the rear spar will > > need to be cut free and raised to yield the 1 degree incidence. If you > > haven't bonded in your spars and plan to use the new airfoils wait until > > we have the test flying data before you bond the spars to the fuselage. > > > > As a side note, Ashok spent the summer working for Bert Rutan at Scaled > > Composites. As part of his work there he designed the airfoils for the > > new Boomerang II. Very impressive addition to his resume if you ask me. > > As has always been the case, all that contributed to the airfoil fund will > > receive full size building templates of the new airfoils sized for the > > KR-2 wing as soon as the test flying is completed. > > > > Troy thinks that he will have his airplane flying yet this year so we > > should be getting close to having the test flying results we have been > > waiting for. THis project has taken longer than we would have liked but > > the results hopefully will be worth the wait. > > > > As new events happen, I will keep the KRnetters up to date. We would love > > to see Troy and his airplane at Sun 'n Fun so all can see the new wing and > > its effect on handling and performance. > > > > Steve Eberhart > > ------------------------------------- > > http://www.newtech.com/nlf - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:58:22 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Sneaky Actually my plane is free. I told my wife I am building it with the money I saved by quitting smoking 20 years ago if I would of saved it. She reminded me I spent that money on the last three boats, If I would of saved it. Gordon Richard Parker wrote: > >Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:36 -0700 > >From: Micheal Mims > > >Only time will tell but I remember telling my > >wife I plan to build a plane and it would cost $10k to $15k and the > >cost would be spread out over a 3 or 4 year period > > Jeez, dont ever mention those figures publicly, If she ever saw that I'm > really done for. > > Mine is going to be built for $2-3K! ;-) > > Rich Parker > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:32:20 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: RFG Re-formulated Gasoline Anybody know anything about (RFG) Re-formulated Gasoline. For all you Mogas users I'm wondering about compatibilty with Vinyl Ester. Massachusetts and other densley populated areas forced residents to use it and its been creaping like kudzu. I know that they are putting stuff in it to lower the amount of vapor that is released into the atmosphere plus it is supposed to release less polutants. I dont know if that is acheived by burning cleaner or increasing the efficiency of the catalytic converters. I do know that in cars it will lower your mileage by about 10% (published) Its a mystery to me what it is or how it does it. The EAA might have info on it as they watch fuel quality even in mogas. Anybody know anything more? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:33:54 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Thanks That does answer my questions, Now maybe I will save it to a place I remember. Gordon Steven Eberhart wrote: > All contributors of $100 or more will receive a full size set of plotter > printed templates that have all center lines drawn as well as water line > level lines so that the incidence can be set correctly during > construction. Mark Langford is plotting the great looking template sheets > for us. As I mentioned earlier, we are holding sending out the final > templates pending the test flying of Troy Petteway's airplane with the new > airfoil. For those that just have to have the templates because of the > stage of construction they are at we have sent out several sets with the > understanding that the 15% and 18% airfoils have been successfully wind > tunnel tested but not flight tested. The 16% airfoil was not wind tunnel > tested but was designed using the same design rules and is the one that is > on Troy's airplane. > > All contributions to the airfoil fund can be sent to me at: > > Steve Eberhart > P.O. Box 9227 > Evansville, IN 47724 > > The web site on the airfoil project is at http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > Hope this answers your questions. > > Thanks, > > Steve Eberhart > > On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Gordon Brimhall wrote: > > > Some where I had information on the Airfoil Fund but lost it. I have not started > > building so have time for their testing stage. I also had the Web address of the > > site doing the Airfoil. Help! > > > > Gordon > > Suberu & 2 > > VW engines standing by > > > > . > > > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > > > > On 22 Oct 1998, Lempola Esko wrote: > > > > > > > Hello KRnetters! > > > > > > > > Have there been any progress in testing the new airfoil? I haven't heard any > > > > news about > > > > that for a loooong time. > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > Esko Lempola > > > > > > A lot has been happening behind the scenes. THe wind tunnel tests were > > > completed this summer and Troy Petteway (see Sport Aviation article Sept. > > > 1995 "A Couple of KR's") is re-winging his airplane with the new 16% > > > airfoil. Due to business committments, his progress hasn't been as rapid > > > as we would have liked. Coordinates have not been published by the > > > University pending successful test flying of Troy's airplane. Several > > > sets of building templates have been released to builders that were at the > > > spar building stage and who needed the information to continue but release > > > was with the understanding that there may have to be changes if we found > > > out anything unexpected in the test flying phase. > > > > > > There are two different wing configurations possible with the new > > > airfoils. One is a constant thickness 16% wing that can use the stock > > > spars and a 18% root with 15% tip that requires thicker spars. In both > > > cases the incidence angle is reduced from 3 1/2 degrees to 1 degree at the > > > root. So, if you have already bonded in your spars the rear spar will > > > need to be cut free and raised to yield the 1 degree incidence. If you > > > haven't bonded in your spars and plan to use the new airfoils wait until > > > we have the test flying data before you bond the spars to the fuselage. > > > > > > As a side note, Ashok spent the summer working for Bert Rutan at Scaled > > > Composites. As part of his work there he designed the airfoils for the > > > new Boomerang II. Very impressive addition to his resume if you ask me. > > > As has always been the case, all that contributed to the airfoil fund will > > > receive full size building templates of the new airfoils sized for the > > > KR-2 wing as soon as the test flying is completed. > > > > > > Troy thinks that he will have his airplane flying yet this year so we > > > should be getting close to having the test flying results we have been > > > waiting for. THis project has taken longer than we would have liked but > > > the results hopefully will be worth the wait. > > > > > > As new events happen, I will keep the KRnetters up to date. We would love > > > to see Troy and his airplane at Sun 'n Fun so all can see the new wing and > > > its effect on handling and performance. > > > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > ------------------------------------- > > > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > ------------------------------------- > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? A lot is happening around here. There should be more frequent updates as Troy gets his modifications closer to completion, i.e. photos, etc. All of us around here are like expectant parents, we can't wait for the final results. steve On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Gordon Brimhall wrote: > Thanks > > That does answer my questions, Now maybe I will save it to a place I remember. > > Gordon > > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > > All contributors of $100 or more will receive a full size set of plotter > > printed templates that have all center lines drawn as well as water line > > level lines so that the incidence can be set correctly during > > construction. Mark Langford is plotting the great looking template sheets > > for us. As I mentioned earlier, we are holding sending out the final > > templates pending the test flying of Troy Petteway's airplane with the new > > airfoil. For those that just have to have the templates because of the > > stage of construction they are at we have sent out several sets with the > > understanding that the 15% and 18% airfoils have been successfully wind > > tunnel tested but not flight tested. The 16% airfoil was not wind tunnel > > tested but was designed using the same design rules and is the one that is > > on Troy's airplane. > > > > All contributions to the airfoil fund can be sent to me at: > > > > Steve Eberhart > > P.O. Box 9227 > > Evansville, IN 47724 > > > > The web site on the airfoil project is at http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > > > Hope this answers your questions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Gordon Brimhall wrote: > > > > > Some where I had information on the Airfoil Fund but lost it. I have not started > > > building so have time for their testing stage. I also had the Web address of the > > > site doing the Airfoil. Help! > > > > > > Gordon > > > Suberu & 2 > > > VW engines standing by > > > > > > . > > > > > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > > > > > > On 22 Oct 1998, Lempola Esko wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello KRnetters! > > > > > > > > > > Have there been any progress in testing the new airfoil? I haven't heard any > > > > > news about > > > > > that for a loooong time. > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > Esko Lempola > > > > > > > > A lot has been happening behind the scenes. THe wind tunnel tests were > > > > completed this summer and Troy Petteway (see Sport Aviation article Sept. > > > > 1995 "A Couple of KR's") is re-winging his airplane with the new 16% > > > > airfoil. Due to business committments, his progress hasn't been as rapid > > > > as we would have liked. Coordinates have not been published by the > > > > University pending successful test flying of Troy's airplane. Several > > > > sets of building templates have been released to builders that were at the > > > > spar building stage and who needed the information to continue but release > > > > was with the understanding that there may have to be changes if we found > > > > out anything unexpected in the test flying phase. > > > > > > > > There are two different wing configurations possible with the new > > > > airfoils. One is a constant thickness 16% wing that can use the stock > > > > spars and a 18% root with 15% tip that requires thicker spars. In both > > > > cases the incidence angle is reduced from 3 1/2 degrees to 1 degree at the > > > > root. So, if you have already bonded in your spars the rear spar will > > > > need to be cut free and raised to yield the 1 degree incidence. If you > > > > haven't bonded in your spars and plan to use the new airfoils wait until > > > > we have the test flying data before you bond the spars to the fuselage. > > > > > > > > As a side note, Ashok spent the summer working for Bert Rutan at Scaled > > > > Composites. As part of his work there he designed the airfoils for the > > > > new Boomerang II. Very impressive addition to his resume if you ask me. > > > > As has always been the case, all that contributed to the airfoil fund will > > > > receive full size building templates of the new airfoils sized for the > > > > KR-2 wing as soon as the test flying is completed. > > > > > > > > Troy thinks that he will have his airplane flying yet this year so we > > > > should be getting close to having the test flying results we have been > > > > waiting for. THis project has taken longer than we would have liked but > > > > the results hopefully will be worth the wait. > > > > > > > > As new events happen, I will keep the KRnetters up to date. We would love > > > > to see Troy and his airplane at Sun 'n Fun so all can see the new wing and > > > > its effect on handling and performance. > > > > > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > > > ------------------------------------- > > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > > easier to get. > > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > > food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > > more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > > - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:07:05 EDT From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: 10-22-98 Is it a KR2 or KR2S? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:02:21 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner Rich: I tried to buy one of these a few months back but they said they were sold out and would not get any more. I hope they have changed their mind. Maybe I should try again. Alan Moat moat@bellsouth.net - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:49 AM Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner > >>More ot the point, I'd like the panel planner since I am working on the >>panel at this time. My KR2SXL is really large (44" cabin width). I >can't >>use standard premade parts and have to build everything from scratch. > >Wag Aero has a Grumman Traveller panel that will fit for $11. at that >price its disposable if it doesnt work. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:20:36 -0500 From: "L. Keith Farnsworth" Subject: RE: KR: 10-22-98 KR-2 (only wish it was an S) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@smtp.teleport.com > [mailto:owner-krnet-l@smtp.teleport.com]On Behalf Of JKM001@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 6:07 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: 10-22-98 > > > Is it a KR2 or KR2S? > Keith > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:59:47 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? i believe vw engines are not standing by but subs are. a baised response. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:06:23 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? >As has always been the case, all that contributed to the airfoil fund >will >receive full size building templates of the new airfoils sized for the >KR-2 wing as soon as the test flying is completed. Once the tests are done assuming a complete success, has Rand-Robinson expressed any interest in incorporating the new airfoil into the plans, either as the standard airfoil or as an alternative airfoil? Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse - ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:28:29 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KRnet shirts. I second that about the shirts. They are way cool!!! Oscar, Thank you so very much..! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:54:19 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Why I understand that Steve. Everyone is fighting to be the one that is Firewall Forward. Part od the American Dream. If you offer us the best at the best price then we will probably jump at it. If not, then we will probably see you out of business. I owned a business before, I know, I didn't have enough customers, I'm Gone. Gordon PS. I'm retired, I can select. Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > i believe vw engines are not standing by but subs are. a baised > response. steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:39:02 EDT From: Mdoby34371@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Saturn Engine What prop are you using and what are you going to turn the prop at (rpm)? Any advice for mounting the radiator? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:11:45 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? In a message dated 98-10-22 23:35:50 EDT, you write: << If you offer us the best at the best price then we will probably jump at it. If not, then we will probably see you out of business. >> I believe Steve has been in business for about 15 years. I'll start a fire here, but at Perry whenever a "popular" auto conversion airplane fly (there were only two of these), every VW driver around scrambled for their airplanes. It looked the air raid siren had just gone off. Even the 1835 was faster. Don't mean to step on anybodies toes here, just a statement :-). Have fun with it guys, I'm ducking into the trench. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:27:15 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Gluing onto glass Hello, netters When epoxying something onto a glassed area, do you need to sand first, or does epoxy stick to cured resin/glass pretty good? And along the same lines, would you need to peelply in a spot where you knew you would be epoxying something onto that place later, like a fairlead block or a metal fitting? Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:53:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > >>> I believe Steve has been in business for about 15 years. I'll start a fire here, but at Perry whenever a "popular" auto conversion airplane fly (there there only two of these), every VW driver around scrambled for their airplanes. It looked the air raid siren had just gone off. Even the 1835 was faster.>>> Its the 100hp engine that isnt! :o) Come on guys you know I couldnt leave this one alone! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:54:37 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Gluing onto glass Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello, netters > > When epoxying something onto a glassed area, do you need to sand first, or does epoxy stick to cured resin/glass pretty good? >> I would say yes and peel ply is ALWAYS a good idea. Just dont forget to remove it. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:43:08 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: KR-3 (no archive) Hello again, netters A parting shot for the weekend; although I haven't seen anything on the(failed) KR-3 amphibian, there is another abortive KR mutant lurking at http://a51.wetworks.org/zuniga/ click on the Tango01.jpg to see it. It takes two to tango! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:35:46 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? In a message dated 98-10-23 12:29:17 EDT, you write: << >>> I believe Steve has been in business for about 15 years. I'll start a fire here, but at Perry whenever a "popular" auto conversion airplane fly (there there only two of these), every VW driver around scrambled for their airplanes. It looked the air raid siren had just gone off. Even the 1835 was faster.>>> Its the 100hp engine that isnt! :o) Come on guys you know I couldnt leave this one alone! >> Boy you could tell I was having my first cup of coffee this morning with that fantastic grasp of the English language, huh. Course I could have said that one of them was trailored in because he was concerned about the reliable on a long cross country....................but I wouldn't say that. Only kidding, only kidding, only kidding.............there I said it three time, don't take it seriously :-). Back in the trench. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:38:48 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: 1999 Gathering Guys, I just got the contract for the meeting room and expect the contract for the lodge rooms and cabins for the 1999 Gathering at Lake Barkley State Park. If you are planning on going (I know it's early) wait until I get the contract signed and give the go-ahead to make reservations. I'll keep ya posted. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:54:23 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Saturn Engine I bought a gear reduction drive from Reductions out of winnepeg, he's on the net has a home page etc. Links at RR. The reduction is a 2 to 1, basically so I expect to turn the engine at about 4800 RPM. The prop I bought our in BC, from a fellow named Colin Walker. Very nice work and CDN$. The Prop I will use is a 60 x 72. Finally to answer the last question, I have built a rad pod for the bottom of the cowling as per the P-40 Kitty Hawk model. Hope that gives some ideas. Regards; Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Mdoby34371@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: October 23, 1998 1:45 AM Subject: Re: KR: Saturn Engine >What prop are you using and what are you going to turn the prop at (rpm)? >Any advice for mounting the radiator? >Thanks! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:34:22 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Don't bother me abit, my wife is going to follow me around with a truck full of parts, like a chase vehicle they use with people riding the old Harleys. Anybody have plans for quick disconnect engine mounts? "What do you mean, we already used engine 2" I thought we brought three" Gordon KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-10-23 12:29:17 EDT, you write: > > << >>> I believe Steve has been in business for about 15 years. I'll start a > fire here, but at Perry whenever a "popular" auto conversion airplane fly > (there there only two of these), every VW driver around scrambled for their > airplanes. It looked the air raid siren had just gone off. Even the 1835 was > faster.>>> > > Its the 100hp engine that isnt! :o) Come on guys you know I couldnt > leave this one alone! >> > > Boy you could tell I was having my first cup of coffee this morning with that > fantastic grasp of the English language, huh. Course I could have said that > one of them was trailored in because he was concerned about the reliable on a > long cross country....................but I wouldn't say that. > > Only kidding, only kidding, only kidding.............there I said it three > time, don't take it seriously :-). > > Back in the trench. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:38:32 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-3 (no archive) Oscar Zuniga wrote: A parting shot for the weekend; although I haven't seen anything on > the(failed) KR-3 amphibian, there is another abortive KR mutant lurking at http://a51.wetworks.org/zuniga/>>> Hey mister you be careful how you describe my KR2ST! Its still in progress dude not aborted! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:20:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR-3 (no archive) Oscar, Cool, Can you draw me up a PUSH/PULL Skymaster configuration. Thats what I want to build next. -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello again, netters > > A parting shot for the weekend; although I haven't seen anything on > the(failed) KR-3 amphibian, there is another abortive KR mutant lurking > at http://a51.wetworks.org/zuniga/ > > click on the Tango01.jpg to see it. > > It takes two to tango! > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:22:55 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KR-3 You can see the KR-3 with Ken & Stu at Ernie Koppe's website. http://www.flash.net/~ekoppe/krpage/krpage.html Be patient, it is one of the photos on this page. -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:49:10 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? >Only kidding, only kidding, only kidding.............there I said it three >time, don't take it seriously :-). > >Back in the trench. > >Dana Overall Get out of the trench and stand there like a man with a cylinder head on your chest for aim, dude. :) Everybody knows saying just kidding means "I said what I mean, so live with it!" LOL. Just kidding, eh. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:28:01 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Gluing onto glass Oscar Zuniga wrote: > When epoxying something onto a glassed area, do you need to sand first, > or does epoxy stick to cured resin/glass pretty good? And along the > same lines, would you need to peelply in a spot where you knew you would > be epoxying something onto that place later, like a fairlead block or a > metal fitting? If you know that the area will receive additional glass or just glue later, peel ply is the best idea. If you don't get a chance to peel ply, the sand with coarse sandpaper down to the glass layer. It will not bond as well to previously cured epoxy. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:32:53 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Gluing onto glass West Systems has a very thorough manual online that can be printed at www.westsystem.com It covers everything. Surface prep, mixing, layup techniques, exothermic reactions, compatability, additives etc. I'm sure the techniques are the same for other epoxy's. Rich Parker >From: "Oscar Zuniga" >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Gluing onto glass >Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:27:15 PDT >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Hello, netters > >When epoxying something onto a glassed area, do you need to sand first, >or does epoxy stick to cured resin/glass pretty good? And along the >same lines, would you need to peelply in a spot where you knew you would >be epoxying something onto that place later, like a fairlead block or a >metal fitting? > >Thanks > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:23:10 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Gordon, I myself love the soobs we may not be able to convince the world about how good they are and that is fine that is why there are fords and chevy's. i think steve has done wonders with the old vw. and he deserves all the credit he is due. but the world keeps spinning and sometimes newer things are better sometimes their not but we ALL must keep improving the mechanics of our hobby to keep us all flying. - -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Brimhall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:36 PM Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? >Why I understand that Steve. > >Everyone is fighting to be the one that is Firewall Forward. > >Part od the American Dream. > >If you offer us the best at the best price then we will probably >jump at it. > >If not, then we will probably see you out of business. > >I owned a business before, I know, I didn't have enough customers, >I'm Gone. > >Gordon > >PS. I'm retired, I can select. > > > >Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > >> i believe vw engines are not standing by but subs are. a baised >> response. steve > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:42:19 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: KR-3 (no archive) hEY rOSS, i HAVE A GOOD ONE , ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS DRAWING UP PLANS FOR AN a-10 warthog with a single turbine engine using the kr. the plans have been ok'd already by some austrian engineers. (sorry G.S. i have a big mouth) Warron - -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 3:25 PM Subject: Re: KR: KR-3 (no archive) >Oscar, > Cool, > Can you draw me up a PUSH/PULL Skymaster configuration. Thats what I >want to build next. > -- Ross > >Oscar Zuniga wrote: >> >> Hello again, netters >> >> A parting shot for the weekend; although I haven't seen anything on >> the(failed) KR-3 amphibian, there is another abortive KR mutant lurking >> at http://a51.wetworks.org/zuniga/ >> >> click on the Tango01.jpg to see it. >> >> It takes two to tango! >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, Oregon >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >-- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #165 *****************************