From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 6:12 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #167 krnet-l-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 167 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:47:15 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Some progress yesterday. Well, I put my new ceramic coated exhaust manifold on my KR, and I'm getting plenty of looks. Everyone thinks I have a chrome exhaust stack... Nope, it's ceramic coated. Cooler than chrome! I also put the new rudder pedals in. Now I am working on a canopy latch mechanism that can be opened from both inside and outside the airplane. I was going to take photos, but the digital camera was all full when I got to the airport, and I can't find the serial cable to dump the pictures and take more. Perhaps next week. Any rate, check the web for ceramic exhaust coatings to see if you can find a place that will do this for you nearby. Hopefully when I get my canopy latch finished, I can taxi around the airport! - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:19:05 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? Darren , my friend has a 75 hp revmaster with all the goodies. it is still in the crate NEVER run he is asking $2800.00 . e-mail me if you are interested WARRONFLYS@WORLDNET.ATT.NET good luck with whatever engine you purchase. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: Darren Brigman To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 11:33 PM Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? >Hey guys... I'm new here. I'm building a KR-1, and am looking for some advice >on engines. I had thought of the old VW, but I like the Subaru also. I have >found several engines, including one 2.2L OHC turbo. another thought is a mazda >rotary 13-B. What is going to be the easiest installation, and what will be the >most reliable? >Thanks for the help! >darren > >David Moore wrote: > >> At 01:09 PM 10/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >At 07:00 PM 10/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>, very far as >> >>Steve Makish will attest to when our r&d is truly done "we" will offer the >> >>parts again for soobers Warron>>> >> > >> >What is this "we" stuff? Are you planning to go into business in the >> >homebuilt aviation arena? You might be better off getting a part time job >> >at McDonalds, certainly the income would be consistent to a start business >> >in aviation and the liability would be much less! :o) >> >> Yes, And the immortal words of Howard Hughes "To make a small fortune in >> aviation, you have to start with a large one". >> >> Dave Moore >> >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> >Micheal Mims >> >SP290,..Building ailerons and firewall now >> >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >> >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >> >Irvine Ca >> >Fax 949.856.9417 >> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > >> > >> >> David Moore >> mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net >> Henderson, Nevada >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:25:47 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: KR: Re: KR-2S parts for sale or trade Tom , here's my 2 cents i am using dune buggy glass seats a few extra lbs but they come with covers in a large variety of colors. i widened my fuse 1.75" in the cockpit area and had enough room. the seats are comfortable as all heck. sat there for hours one day day dreaming. very comfortable, mine are high back seats at a 32 degree angle .Warron in flat lawdy dale fla. - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Andersen To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 12:55 PM Subject: KR: KR-2S parts for sale or trade >Hello KR Netters, >I have the following KR parts for sale or trade: >KR-2S front deck $195 (Doesn't fit my widened fuse) >KR-2S fuel tank $225 (Using stub wing tanks only) >Foam kit for KR-2S $180 (Bought Diehle wing skins) >1835 VW $2300 See www.t-three.com/200MPH/1835vw.htm for pic. > >KR parts wanted: >Dual control stick >Sling seats >Aileron pushrods and rod ends >Premolded stub wing skins > >-Tom >Orlando, FL > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:05:53 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: engine mounts anybody have a picture or dimensions of the VW mount vs the revmaster mount? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:18:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Cowling heads Well the cowling project got off to a great start. I would like to thank Harris for taking a break from gluing cross members on his boat to help me hang my engine. So the firewall is in place (not permanently) the motor mount is bolted up and the engine block is mounted. I installed the two front cylinders to get an idea how wide the cowling would need to be and bolted up the ring gear and prop extension. I made a plywood ring to bolt to the prop hub and then centered up my nose bowl on the ring and screwed sheet rock screw through everything to hold it in place. After everything was bolted up I stood back and took a good long look at the profile and I think its gona look pretty darn cool! I started to scratch my head pretty hard wondering how I would build a nice intake area underneath for the carb and then the light came on! My buddy Brad is building a RV6 and I noticed the carb intake area is a separate piece on the RV cowling. So I walked over to his box of goodies and pulled out the intake and held it up as Harris and Allan checked it out. They both said it was perfect so I had Harris hold it up while I took a look and what do you know! So for any of you guys out there who have a Continental or Lycoming and need to a nice intake on the bottom of your cowl order one from Vans. They are only $60 and look bitchin! You can see them on page 36 of their catalog which is available at: http://www.vansaircraft.com/sections/catalog.htm I know some of you out there struggled with this and the RV intake is the answer to a nice looking cowling! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:25:20 EST From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Cowling heads In a message dated 98-10-26 00:19:05 EST, you write: << They are only $60 and look bitchin! You can see them on page 36 of their catalog which is available at: >> I am also thinking of going this route. Which one of the currently available cowl (VW, Revmaster or other(?)) could be used with a O-200? I know that there is an O-200 cowl available but the RV intake is way too cool and I bet less draggy. I may be able to get a revmaster cowl for a discount and I need to know whether I should go ahead and buy it. Thanks Haris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:36:24 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cowling heads At 01:25 AM 10/26/98 EST, you wrote: >I am also thinking of going this route. Which one of the currently available cowl (VW, Revmaster or other(?))>>> The Revmaster cowl is the cooler looking one of the two (Troy Pettaways is a Revmaster Style) Buy it if its cheep because we can make it work! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:53:02 -0000 From: Mark Langford Subject: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE00BE.16BACE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joa, One thing to pay attention to with this engine is that it's not for = "pulley drive" as you buy it from them. If want to run the prop off of = the pulley end (like 99.9% that have ever been built), you'll need the = Great Plains Force One hub and bearing, and a godawfully expensive = ($1200, last time I heard) E4340 crank to avoid crank failure due to = torsional vibration. That's why I'm going with the flywheel shaft drive = setup... Mark Langford, on assignment in Porthcawl, Wales mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford - -----Original Message----- From: Joa [SMTP:joa@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:20 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Mark Stephens High Performance Have any of you, besides Mark Langford, used an engine built by Mark Stephens. I called them today and chatted with both Mark and a fellow = named Norm Stephenson (who knew more about "prop" applications) and they all seemed real genuine and straightforward. Definitlely done their = homework when it comes to getting power at low RPMs. The latest issue of Hot VWs backs this with its article on their 6 stud system for eliminating head leaks with the larger pistons. So what do you all think? Is 115 HP and 165 ft-lbs at 3800 RPM with a = 30# increase in weight (over a Type 1) the way to go (plus the extra = durability of the Type 4 case)? Thanks! 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Looking for enlightenment, WD At 08:53 AM 10/26/98 -0000, you wrote: >Joa, > >One thing to pay attention to with this engine is that it's not for "pulley drive" as you buy it from them. If want to run the prop off of the pulley end (like 99.9% that have ever been built), you'll need the Great Plains Force One hub and bearing, and a godawfully expensive ($1200, last time I heard) E4340 crank to avoid crank failure due to torsional vibration. That's why I'm going with the flywheel shaft drive setup... > > >Mark Langford, on assignment in Porthcawl, Wales >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joa [SMTP:joa@teleport.com] >Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:20 AM >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Mark Stephens High Performance > >Have any of you, besides Mark Langford, used an engine built by Mark >Stephens. I called them today and chatted with both Mark and a fellow named >Norm Stephenson (who knew more about "prop" applications) and they all >seemed real genuine and straightforward. Definitlely done their homework >when it comes to getting power at low RPMs. The latest issue of Hot VWs >backs this with its article on their 6 stud system for eliminating head >leaks with the larger pistons. > >So what do you all think? Is 115 HP and 165 ft-lbs at 3800 RPM with a 30# >increase in weight (over a Type 1) the way to go (plus the extra durability >of the Type 4 case)? > >Thanks! > >Joa > > > >Attachment Converted: D:\EUDORA\ATTACH\KRREMark > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:54:21 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Panel Planner The program has been sent to rmccall@oz-online.net (Rich McCall), who also got a list of the other people who want to look at it. Contact Rich if you're interested. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:03:37 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Cowling heads In a message dated 98-10-26 01:27:11 EST, you write: << I am also thinking of going this route. Which one of the currently available cowl (VW, Revmaster or other(?)) could be used with a O-200? I know that there is an O-200 cowl available but the RV intake is way too cool and I bet less draggy. >> If I'm not mistaken, the RV intake fits on the RR cowlings. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:32:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > are you saying that the type 4 can't be used with a bolt on prop adaptor to the > stock crankshaft on the pully end?? > > Looking for enlightenment, No it can not, it will need the force one hub. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:46:53 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Micheal Mims wrote: > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > are you saying that the type 4 can't be used with a bolt on prop adaptor to the > > stock crankshaft on the pully end?? > > > > Looking for enlightenment, > > No it can not, it will need the force one hub. And like Mark said you will need the $1500 crank to go along with the force one hub. The force one hub is a "bolt on" unit but the crank must be tapered back to the distributor gear and the case must be machined to fit the bearing. I guess the Stephen's engine is using the cheaper style (welded) stroker cranks and there is concern that they should not be used in aircraft engines? There is a reason type 4s aren't as popular as type 3s you know! Its called $$$$$ :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:03:49 EST From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Cowling heads In a message dated 98-10-26 01:36:18 EST, you write: << Buy it if its cheep because we can make it work! >> I may be able to get one for $200. Is it wide enough though. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:12:37 -0000 From: Mark Langford Subject: RE: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0103.D4D410F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wayne wrote: Hi Mark, are you saying that the type 4 can't be used with a bolt on prop adaptor = to the stock crankshaft on the pully end?? 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Based on my hotrodding experiance with welded strokers, I would never use one, under any circumstances. I'm sure that somewhere I saw a short prop adaptor for the pulley end of a T-4. Can't remember where. It sticks in my mind because I thought at the time that the prop was just too close to the engine. Oh well. I may have to rethink this a little. On the flywheel end, does the Diel casting fit on the flywheel end, or is that a different size then the Type 3? Thanks for any info, WD At 07:46 AM 10/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Micheal Mims wrote: >> >> Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: >> > >> > Hi Mark, >> > >> > are you saying that the type 4 can't be used with a bolt on prop adaptor to the >> > stock crankshaft on the pully end?? >> > >> > Looking for enlightenment, >> >> No it can not, it will need the force one hub. > >And like Mark said you will need the $1500 crank to go along with the >force one hub. The force one hub is a "bolt on" unit but the crank must >be tapered back to the distributor gear and the case must be machined to >fit the bearing. I guess the Stephen's engine is using the cheaper >style (welded) stroker cranks and there is concern that they should not >be used in aircraft engines? There is a reason type 4s aren't as >popular as type 3s you know! Its called $$$$$ :o) > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:32:53 +0100 From: "Stefan den Boer" Subject: KR: Mosler engine Hallo netters Hier in the Netherland it is starting to gettting cold. Longer evenings too so more time to spend for the kr building. I can buy a engine listening to the name Mosler . Its having 82 hp and the weight is 180 lbs. I don't have more information about it. The only thing I know, on this moment it is mounted on a Cherry It is a newer type off the KR. The owner of the engine bought a new engine because for his airplane is 82 hp not enough.We can make a flight in his airplane so i can heare the engine running in the aire. There are 500 houres left before overhoul. The engine is based on the V W and is 2000 cc. I will buy everthing with it. Mount, Prop, Rpm instr, oil cooler ,,,,,,,,,,, So the only thing i have to do is rework the mount for a kr-2 and I can put the engine on. So is there a netter who can give me advice to buy it. Bad writing Dutch gay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:13:09 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Mosler engine Stefan den Boer wrote: > > Hallo netters > Hier in the Netherland it is starting to gettting cold. Longer evenings too so more time to spend for the kr building. > I can buy a engine listening to the name Mosler . Its having 82 hp and the weight is 180 lbs.>>> I think the engine you are talking about is the old HAPI magnum (Mosler bought HAPI). Be careful with this engine as a lot of them have broken the cranks. Actually I believe it was this neat feature that caused HAPI to call it quits (go out of business). You may want to get with Steve of GPASC to see what kind of support he can provide for this engine as Mosler has since quit making them and does not support them. (I could be wrong). - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:22:06 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > I'm sure that somewhere I saw a short prop adaptor for the pulley end of a T-4. Can't remember where. It sticks in my mind because I thought at the time that the prop was just too close to the engine. > I think using the shrink fit (bolt on, no taper) prop hub on anything other than a 1600cc type 1 or 1/2 VW is inviting disaster. I personally wouldn't use anything but the force one hub on a VW of ANY size and HP. Revmaster learned this the hard way back in the 70s and gave them a bad rap that they are still living with to this day. I have personally seen to many broken VW cranks (even on 1835s) that almost ended with disastrous results (with close friends at the controls). This is not the area to try and save a few $100. > Oh well. I may have to rethink this a little. > > On the flywheel end, does the Diel casting fit on the flywheel end, or is that a different size then the Type 3? Yes it will fit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:02:07 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance But the T-4 does have a taper on the pulley end of the crank. It may well be smaller then the taper cut for use with the force one hub though. Thanks for the info. At 10:22 AM 10/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > >> I'm sure that somewhere I saw a short prop adaptor for the pulley end of a T-4. Can't remember where. It sticks in my mind because I thought at the time that the prop was just too close to the engine. >> >I think using the shrink fit (bolt on, no taper) prop hub on anything >other than a 1600cc type 1 or 1/2 VW is inviting disaster. I personally >wouldn't use anything but the force one hub on a VW of ANY size and HP. >Revmaster learned this the hard way back in the 70s and gave them a bad >rap that they are still living with to this day. I have personally seen >to many broken VW cranks (even on 1835s) that almost ended with >disastrous results (with close friends at the controls). This is not the >area to try and save a few $100. > >> Oh well. I may have to rethink this a little. >> >> On the flywheel end, does the Diel casting fit on the flywheel end, or is that a different size then the Type 3? > > >Yes it will fit > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:55:36 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Heads-up Display and Fuel Management Board I have a Grand Prix with the hud display. I think it is great and my wife loves it. Please send me more info and some ball park priceing. I am definetly interested!!! regards: srmakish @ aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:59:41 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New airfoil? sounds like you worked at mcdonalds before????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:04:30 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance any type of crank you use will break on a type 4 at about 200 to 220 hours. I broke 3 of the suckers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:13:56 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Mosler engine Stefan, Rex Taylor was buying cranks from a supplier who didn't always have the best quality control. When Rex realized the problem he recalled all the engines affected, and did the repairs mostly out of his own pocket. Rex then fell braking a leg, along with third degree burns on his leg when he was a kid the leg wouldn't heal. Along comes Mosler Motor with all kinds of promises, (President of VW continued development, support for further development of a redrive for the Honda straight 4 Rex had been developing) Rex sells HAPI Engines. Promises never happen and Mosler won't honor HAPI's warranty to past customers. So don't expect any help from Mosler Motors. Steve Bennetts of (GPASC) Great Plains Aircraft Supply Company has in the past been able to provide parts to help HAPI Engine owners. http://www.greatplainsas.com. Good Luck Dave Moore At 06:32 PM 10/26/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hallo netters >Hier in the Netherland it is starting to gettting cold. Longer evenings too >so more time to spend for the kr building. >I can buy a engine listening to the name Mosler . Its having 82 hp and the >weight is 180 lbs. >I don't have more information about it. The only thing I know, on this >moment it is mounted on a Cherry It is a newer type off the KR. The owner >of the engine bought a new engine because for his airplane is 82 hp not >enough.We can make a flight in his airplane so i can heare the engine >running in the aire. There are 500 houres left before overhoul. The engine >is based on the V W and is 2000 cc. >I will buy everthing with it. Mount, Prop, Rpm instr, oil cooler >,,,,,,,,,,, >So the only thing i have to do is rework the mount for a kr-2 and I can put >the engine on. >So is there a netter who can give me advice to buy it. > >Bad writing Dutch gay > > David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nv. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:41:24 -0800 From: david.pearson@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David Pearson) Subject: KR: Re: KR2S info Hi; I am new to the group and am considering building a KR2s but I have some concerns about the payload capacity. For those of you who are flying their planes, what gross weight did it turn out to be? After full fuel, how much was left over for carrying pilot and passenger? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks David Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:19:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR2S info David Pearson wrote: After full fuel, how much was left over for carrying pilot and passenger? Any info would be greatly appreciated.>> > I don't think there is anyone on the list with a "flying" KR2S but I see no reason why a KR2S (basic VFR and VW power) with all the kit pieces should weigh more than 600 pounds empty. Most KR2s weigh in the 550 to 650 pound range. The useful load on the KR2S is adequate to the size of the cockpit anyway! :o) I don't think your gona be able to fit two people in the cockpit that will overgross the airplane unless they have lead in their pockets. Worst case,.. you have a 650 pound airplane and a 1000 pound gross, that's 350 pounds for fuel and people. (most hold about 15 gallons of fuel) PS Some KRs are flown at 1200 pounds gross. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:30:20 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > But the T-4 does have a taper on the pulley end of the crank. It may > well be smaller then the taper cut for use with the force one hub though. > I may be wrong but I think the stock type4 has a smaller cross section on the puley end than the type1. Maybe Steve will have some input here. If you read through his material I dont think he allows anything but the force one on any of his type 4 conversions. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:36 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR2S info If you build it per the plans the nimbers published by Rand Robinson are accurate. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:09:03 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance The stock VW crank is about the srtrongest you can find. certain VW engines such as the ones over 2100cc should have a Scat crank installed. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:43:04 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: More KR Parts Needed After thinking more about it I have several other parts I need: If you have any these parts you don't need, I'm interested. Thanks for your responses to my previous requests. wheel pants (2), brake cylinders, canopy latches (2), hinge material for cowling, elev and rudder horns, ail horns, counterbalance weights, aileron bellcranks. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:56:32 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: Mosler engine Rex , Phillis, & Patrick Taylor are a great people. It is a shame what Mosler did to them. I consider it was a great honor to know the Taylors, and to visit in their homes in Arizonia & North Carolina. Sincerely , R. W. Moore N115RM Almost 99.99 done. - -----Original Message----- From: David Moore To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 5:18 PM Subject: Re: KR: Mosler engine >Stefan, > >Rex Taylor was buying cranks from a supplier who didn't always have the >best quality control. When Rex realized the problem he recalled all the >engines affected, and did the repairs mostly out of his own pocket. >Rex then fell braking a leg, along with third degree burns on his leg when >he was a kid the leg wouldn't heal. Along comes Mosler Motor with all kinds >of promises, (President of VW continued development, support for further >development of a redrive for the Honda straight 4 Rex had been developing) >Rex sells HAPI Engines. Promises never happen and Mosler won't honor HAPI's >warranty to past customers. >So don't expect any help from Mosler Motors. > >Steve Bennetts of (GPASC) Great Plains Aircraft Supply Company has in the >past been able to provide parts to help HAPI Engine owners. >http://www.greatplainsas.com. > >Good Luck >Dave Moore > > > > >At 06:32 PM 10/26/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Hallo netters >>Hier in the Netherland it is starting to gettting cold. Longer evenings too >>so more time to spend for the kr building. >>I can buy a engine listening to the name Mosler . Its having 82 hp and the >>weight is 180 lbs. >>I don't have more information about it. The only thing I know, on this >>moment it is mounted on a Cherry It is a newer type off the KR. The owner >>of the engine bought a new engine because for his airplane is 82 hp not >>enough.We can make a flight in his airplane so i can heare the engine >>running in the aire. There are 500 houres left before overhoul. The engine >>is based on the V W and is 2000 cc. >>I will buy everthing with it. Mount, Prop, Rpm instr, oil cooler >>,,,,,,,,,,, >>So the only thing i have to do is rework the mount for a kr-2 and I can put >>the engine on. >>So is there a netter who can give me advice to buy it. >> >>Bad writing Dutch gay >> >> > > > David Moore > mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net > Henderson, Nv. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:09:53 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: Prop Adapter 10" long Hi Netters, I need a prop shaft extension/adapter about 10" long for my DD Subaru EA-81. Does anyone know of any product out there which has a bearing support at the prop for EA-81's or VW's? I know Steve Bennett is working on one for VW's. Could it be adapted for the EA-81? I have seen up to 6" solid adapters simply bolted to the crank flange, but longer ones cannot really be used. Mark L, Have you completed your work on the adapter for your type 4? What kind of bearing are you going to use out there? Greased or oil-fed? Thanks. - -Tom ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #167 *****************************