From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 6:16 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #168 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 168 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:12:53 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: A small page update Net Heads I uploaded a few pictures of my wing tips which can be seen at the bottom of: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/wing3.html as well as a few pics of the "other toy" that takes me away from airplane building now and then. Its at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/gti.html enjoy! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:24:23 -0800 From: john bouyea Subject: KR: FYI: kr2s.timberline.com back on-line The archives located for kr2s.timberline.com are again available for access. We've upgraded the connection; let me know if you experience any improvements in speed. bou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:35:19 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: New KR website address Hi KRNetters, I've got a new address for my KR-2S website: http://www.t-three.com/200MPH. It's a lot easier to download now as I've separated the different topics into other pages. I've added two new sections, one on my R/C 1/4 scale KR-2S model (which I've completed and flown), and another section on my radio control lawnmower. There's also a section to show the 1835 VW which I'm selling for $2300. There's also some nice pics of the Kennedy Space Center Shuttle Runway, and some pics of a turbocharged DD Subaru conversion which puts out 100hp. Another section shows Dave Blucher's new KR-2S here in Orlando FL. If you have any links to my site in your website or your bookmarks, remember to change them. All up there's about 75 pictures. Enjoy! - -Tom Andersen Orlando, FL mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:57:39 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Heads-up Display and Fuel Management Board This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BE0123.445ECFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am still talking to GM but I think a ball park price will be $1000.00 plus or minus. I will be offering a discount to KR Guys to get some HUD's flying. Ron Eason - -----Original Message----- From: SRMAKISH@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 5:23 PM Subject: Re: KR: Heads-up Display and Fuel Management Board >I have a Grand Prix with the hud display. I think it is great and my wife >loves it. Please send me more info and some ball park priceing. I am definetly >interested!!! >regards: srmakish @ aol.com > - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BE0123.445ECFE0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. 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URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com EMAIL;INTERNET:reason1@ficom.net REV:19981027T045738Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BE0123.445ECFE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:08:09 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Prop Adapter 10" long At 09:09 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Netters, >I need a prop shaft extension/adapter about 10" long for my DD Subaru EA-81. Does anyone know of any product out there which has a bearing support at the prop for EA-81's or VW's?>> I don't know how far you can push it but the Nemesis uses a prop extension of at least 10 inches long with no support bearing. If you were going to stretch it out that long I would keep the prop weight down to the minimum and keep it well balanced! I will be running a 4 inch extension but that's not really that big of a deal on a Lyc or Continental. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:11:37 -0600 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Tom Andersen wrote: > > Hi KRNetters, > I've got a new address for my KR-2S website: http://www.t-three.com/200MPH. > It's a lot easier to download now as I've separated the different topics > into other pages. I've added two new sections, one on my R/C 1/4 scale > KR-2S model (which I've > completed and flown), and another section on my radio control > lawnmower. There's also a section to show the 1835 VW which I'm selling > for $2300. There's also some nice pics of the Kennedy Space Center Shuttle > Runway, and some pics of a turbocharged DD Subaru conversion which puts out > 100hp. Another section shows Dave Blucher's new KR-2S here in Orlando FL. > If you have any links to my site in your website or your bookmarks, remember > to change them. All up there's about 75 pictures. Enjoy! > -Tom Andersen > Orlando, FL > mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com Tom I am anticipating Orlando on thursday afternoon on my way to Melbourn. Will ttry to give you a call when I get there. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:11:23 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Looks nice, 71" wingspan. Did you scale down the plans? and are they for sale? Been awhile sinse I built an RC plane. What is takoff and landing distance? I live on 2.6 acres and have been thinking of going back into RC while building my dream plane which the KR2S is close to the top of list. I can have a runway 407' E/W or 282' N/S almost enough for a STOL Homebuilt. Gordon Tom Andersen wrote: > Hi KRNetters, > I've got a new address for my KR-2S website: http://www.t-three.com/200MPH. > It's a lot easier to download now as I've separated the different topics > into other pages. I've added two new sections, one on my R/C 1/4 scale > KR-2S model (which I've > completed and flown), and another section on my radio control > lawnmower. There's also a section to show the 1835 VW which I'm selling > for $2300. There's also some nice pics of the Kennedy Space Center Shuttle > Runway, and some pics of a turbocharged DD Subaru conversion which puts out > 100hp. Another section shows Dave Blucher's new KR-2S here in Orlando FL. > If you have any links to my site in your website or your bookmarks, remember > to change them. All up there's about 75 pictures. Enjoy! > -Tom Andersen > Orlando, FL > mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:33:04 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address At 08:11 PM 10/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Looks nice, 71" wingspan. > >Did you scale down the plans? and are they for sale? > The KR plans are already in 1/4 scale you have to scale them up to build the real thing. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:05:30 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address The only thing I had to scale down was the RAF48 airfoils. I had to take the plan to Kinko's and go 50% reduction twice. The wing was hotwired from expanded bead foam using the templates. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:54 PM Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address >At 08:11 PM 10/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Looks nice, 71" wingspan. >> >>Did you scale down the plans? and are they for sale? >> > >The KR plans are already in 1/4 scale you have to scale them up to build the >real thing. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:09:28 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Gordon, You might be able to fly off 407' with an ultralight with at least 40hp and FAR 103 weight. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Brimhall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:17 PM Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address >Looks nice, 71" wingspan. > >Did you scale down the plans? and are they for sale? > >Been awhile sinse I built an RC plane. What is takoff and landing distance? > >I live on 2.6 acres and have been thinking of going back into RC while building >my dream plane which the KR2S is close to the top of list. > >I can have a runway 407' E/W or 282' N/S almost enough for a STOL Homebuilt. > >Gordon > > > >Tom Andersen wrote: > >> Hi KRNetters, >> I've got a new address for my KR-2S website: http://www.t-three.com/200MPH. >> It's a lot easier to download now as I've separated the different topics >> into other pages. I've added two new sections, one on my R/C 1/4 scale >> KR-2S model (which I've >> completed and flown), and another section on my radio control >> lawnmower. There's also a section to show the 1835 VW which I'm selling >> for $2300. There's also some nice pics of the Kennedy Space Center Shuttle >> Runway, and some pics of a turbocharged DD Subaru conversion which puts out >> 100hp. Another section shows Dave Blucher's new KR-2S here in Orlando FL. >> If you have any links to my site in your website or your bookmarks, remember >> to change them. All up there's about 75 pictures. Enjoy! >> -Tom Andersen >> Orlando, FL >> mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:15:40 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance At 05:04 PM 10/26/98 EST, you wrote: > >any type of crank you use will break on a type 4 at about 200 to 220 hours. I >broke 3 of the suckers. > How about some particulars? What type of prop? what hub? What rpm range were you operating in?? Were these all stock cranks or strokers?? WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:35:07 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Prop Adapter 10" long Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:09 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Netters, > >I need a prop shaft extension/adapter about 10" long for my DD Subaru > EA-81. > I don't know how far you can push it but the Nemesis uses a prop extension > of at least 10 inches long with no support bearing. I think it is 12", but his engine is specially built to take it. The case is setup with 0.000 bearing runout. It is only flown at races and for testing purposes. Something that long would almost certainly NOT last in real life without an extra bearing support. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:15:06 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: gear height Anyone know how high the Diehl gear is? (for a nosedragger) I'm getting a quote from Grove aircraft on AL gear legs. Thanks Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:59:19 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Micheal Mims wrote: > > The KR plans are already in 1/4 scale you have to scale them up to build the > real thing. > Great, saving my money for plans now I can plan on using them twice, one for model and one for real Banana. You ever see the RC models with TV Cameras in and guy on ground has consol with stick controls and TV Monitor? They don't cost all that much now except for you need a Ham Lic which I have, but I think only a Technician Lic will let you do it and that Lic is pretty easy to get. Gordon > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:29:33 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Do you have the plans for the scale model of the KR? I am also a RC enthusiast. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:46:16 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address >Great, saving my money for plans now I can plan on using them twice, one for >model and one for real Banana. I think the plans purchase agreement that we signed only allows us to build 1 airplane. ;-) So which one is it going to be? Rich Parker (I've been hanging around lawyers too much lately) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:38:12 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: KR: [Fwd: Soggi Dry Lake Flyin] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------92407DA32F2187684A8F2D4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody on this list have this information? Don't know if it is open to all or not but we are driving in with our camper and I hear their are other types of planes coming in. Maybe contact the sender of this original message to find out. Love to see soem KR's and Fisher planes fly In. Gordon PS. We will have BBQ abd charcoal ready. - --------------92407DA32F2187684A8F2D4B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: surfree.com%snakeskin@surfree.com Received: (cpmta 24037 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1998 20:12:10 -0700 Received: from lists.sni.net (199.117.27.1) by smtp.c000-mx000.c000.paix.cp.net with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 20:12:10 -0700 X-Received: 23 Oct 1998 03:12:10 GMT Received: (from majordo@localhost) by lists.sni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07566 for kitfox-include; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by lists.sni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07562 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:58:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA28628 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:57:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:57:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810230257.VAA28628@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from lbx-ca52-115.ix.netcom.com(206.216.54.115) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028598; Thu Oct 22 21:57:03 1998 From: aeromer@ix.netcom.com ((WBPL)) Subject: Soggi Dry Lake Flyin To: kitfox@lists.sni.net Sender: owner-kitfox@lists.sni.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kitfox@lists.sni.net The Southern California Desert Flyers invite Kitfoxers to the annual Saturday Oct. 31, Haloween Flyin at Soggi Dry Lake 20 nm ENE of Big Bear, 20 nm on 185 radial from HECTOR VOR, 1 nm E of SOGGI intersection. Camping on the dry lake no facilities, nearest airport is Big Bear or 23 nm to Apple Valley. If you have ever wanted to land and camp on a big dry lake, Soggi is the place. Pumpkin bombing plus other games of high skill and low stress can be anticipated. Pete Lee - --------------92407DA32F2187684A8F2D4B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:59:26 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) Richard Parker wrote: > > Anyone know how high the Diehl gear is? (for a nosedragger) > I'm getting a quote from Grove aircraft on AL gear legs. > Did Dan's gear go up in price? For what it worth, I went through the whole process of trying to find a cheaper set of landing gear about 2 years ago, (building my own, having Grove and other venders build them) and there was absolutely no way to build your own gear for the price Dan was selling his for. I even priced out making them myself but the cost of Epoxy reaching almost $100 a gallon these days (the glass cloth required was another $200) and the price of getting aluminum welded was just way too much. Dan's gear was the best buy, by far. With the recent increase in price of Cleveland wheels and brakes the landing gear has all of a sudden turned into the second most expensive part of a homebuilt (second to the engine). One of our (Haris and I) hangermates has adapted go cart wheels and brakes to his Dragonfly and has about 100 hrs taxiing on them (plus regular take offs and landings) and they seem to be holding up well. I think his cost was a little over $300 for everything and yes they will put his Dragonfly on its nose! I could get more info and take some pictures if you guys are interested. I paid $450 for my Matco wheels and brakes (not including master cylinders) and in my opinion the extra $150 over the price of the go cart setup is more then worth it (for my own piece of mind). But if I had it to do again I just might consider the cheaper option. With the cost increase of some KR2S parts we are all facing the "cost of flying" issue! Hard to believe the first KR was built for under a grand isn't it? We cant seem to build one for less than $15k these days because of all the required radio equipment, lights, $8000 powerplants (how about a Subaru engine that cost $15k!), $2000 landing gear, $600 canopies, $4000 wing skins and turtledecks, $1000 wood kits, pieces of 4130 that miraculously cost $550 because of a little machine work (WAFs), $400 engine cowlings, $100 a gallon epoxy, styrofoam that for some reason cost $500 (this is just styrofoam after all, isn't it?), etc.. My goal was to build a nice sport plane for less than $10k and if it wasn't for the $2800 engine, $50 landing gear, homemade canopy, there is no way I could have met that goal! So fear not future builders, no matter how gloomy the skies ahead look you can build an airplane for less than the cost of your favorite economy car! (that really isn't saying much is it?) Well I better have my first cup of coffee. Mike "climbing down off my milk crate now" Mims zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:48:34 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Their are quite a few ones that claim 100-150' takeoff and land. But I don't know what kind of guns my neighbors that are 300 ft. away have. May be against the law being that close to them. I could at least do some taxi tests. slow speed. Gordon Tom Andersen wrote: > Gordon, > You might be able to fly off 407' with an ultralight with at least 40hp and > FAR 103 weight. > -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Brimhall > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address > > >Looks nice, 71" wingspan. > > > >Did you scale down the plans? and are they for sale? > > > >Been awhile sinse I built an RC plane. What is takoff and landing distance? > > > >I live on 2.6 acres and have been thinking of going back into RC while > building > >my dream plane which the KR2S is close to the top of list. > > > >I can have a runway 407' E/W or 282' N/S almost enough for a STOL > Homebuilt. > > > >Gordon > > > > > > > >Tom Andersen wrote: > > > >> Hi KRNetters, > >> I've got a new address for my KR-2S website: > http://www.t-three.com/200MPH. > >> It's a lot easier to download now as I've separated the different topics > >> into other pages. I've added two new sections, one on my R/C 1/4 scale > >> KR-2S model (which I've > >> completed and flown), and another section on my radio control > >> lawnmower. There's also a section to show the 1835 VW which I'm selling > >> for $2300. There's also some nice pics of the Kennedy Space Center > Shuttle > >> Runway, and some pics of a turbocharged DD Subaru conversion which puts > out > >> 100hp. Another section shows Dave Blucher's new KR-2S here in Orlando > FL. > >> If you have any links to my site in your website or your bookmarks, > remember > >> to change them. All up there's about 75 pictures. Enjoy! > >> -Tom Andersen > >> Orlando, FL > >> mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:09:54 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address I don't even want to get into that bunch of crap, I think as the owner of the plans you can build one of each. Looking at all the scale models made in RC Model Magazine I can't believe those people broke the law building a model of real planes that are now flying and did not pay 300 - 400.00 for the set of plans. How long is a patent good for? Richard Parker wrote: > >Great, saving my money for plans now I can plan on using them twice, > one for > >model and one for real Banana. > > I think the plans purchase agreement that we signed only allows us to > build 1 airplane. ;-) So which one is it going to be? > > Rich Parker > (I've been hanging around lawyers too much lately) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:37:43 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: Re(2): KR: New KR website address krnet-l@teleport.com writes: > >How long is a patent good for? I believe it's a copyright, not a patent. As far as I know, a copyright is good for ever. Mike Sharkey http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:53:13 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Gordon Brimhall wrote: > > I don't even want to get into that bunch of crap,>>> I think it was a joke. I would imagine RR could give a hoot if you built a thousand RC models of the KR as long as you didn't sell copies of the original plans to do so (draw your own). - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:47:34 EST From: AeroManx@aol.com Subject: KR: Post Curing Blues Is there any way to enhance curing and post curing in a "colder" (Ohio) environment? I was considering Aeropoxy which they say doesnt have a post cure requirement but I dont have enough info - Thanks for the assist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:54:03 -0500 From: "Tim Stone" Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims One of our (Haris and I) hangermates has adapted go cart wheels and brakes to his Dragonfly and has about 100 hrs taxiing on them (plus regular take offs and landings) >and they seem to be holding up well I >could get more info and take some pictures if you guys are interested. > Micheal Yes, please do. Would be nice/interesting to consider as an alternative option. Tim S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:06:35 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) Rich, I am using the diehl main gear and nose ggear on my "s" it goes together nicely and fairly easily. My hangar buddies, steve makish and bob lester liked it so much that they are both switching to the main gear setup for their butt draggers :0) I think you will like it over the alum. ,my cheap opinion Warron in flat lawdy dale I forgot to add that i was testing with a 56 inch warp drive with no problem on ground clearance. i will be using a 52 inch prop in the end as tests show i can run up my soob to 5600 on a 52 60 but that is static. probably a66inch pitch for best use. sorry got carried away with engine talk. buy the diehl gear.... - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:04 PM Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) >Richard Parker wrote: >> >> Anyone know how high the Diehl gear is? (for a nosedragger) >> I'm getting a quote from Grove aircraft on AL gear legs. >> >Did Dan's gear go up in price? For what it worth, I went through the >whole process of trying to find a cheaper set of landing gear about 2 >years ago, (building my own, having Grove and other venders build them) >and there was absolutely no way to build your own gear for the price Dan >was selling his for. I even priced out making them myself but the cost >of Epoxy reaching almost $100 a gallon these days (the glass cloth >required was another $200) and the price of getting aluminum welded was >just way too much. Dan's gear was the best buy, by far. > >With the recent increase in price of Cleveland wheels and brakes the >landing gear has all of a sudden turned into the second most expensive >part of a homebuilt (second to the engine). One of our (Haris and I) >hangermates has adapted go cart wheels and brakes to his Dragonfly and >has about 100 hrs taxiing on them (plus regular take offs and landings) >and they seem to be holding up well. I think his cost was a little over >$300 for everything and yes they will put his Dragonfly on its nose! I >could get more info and take some pictures if you guys are interested. > >I paid $450 for my Matco wheels and brakes (not including master >cylinders) and in my opinion the extra $150 over the price of the go >cart setup is more then worth it (for my own piece of mind). But if I >had it to do again I just might consider the cheaper option. > >With the cost increase of some KR2S parts we are all facing the "cost of >flying" issue! Hard to believe the first KR was built for under a grand >isn't it? We cant seem to build one for less than $15k these days >because of all the required radio equipment, lights, $8000 powerplants >(how about a Subaru engine that cost $15k!), $2000 landing gear, $600 >canopies, $4000 wing skins and turtledecks, $1000 wood kits, pieces of >4130 that miraculously cost $550 because of a little machine work >(WAFs), $400 engine cowlings, $100 a gallon epoxy, styrofoam that for >some reason cost $500 (this is just styrofoam after all, isn't it?), >etc.. > >My goal was to build a nice sport plane for less than $10k and if it >wasn't for the $2800 engine, $50 landing gear, homemade canopy, there is >no way I could have met that goal! So fear not future builders, no >matter how gloomy the skies ahead look you can build an airplane for >less than the cost of your favorite economy car! (that really isn't >saying much is it?) Well I better have my first cup of coffee. > >Mike "climbing down off my milk crate now" Mims > > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:55:28 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) So back to my original question, how high is it? >From: "WARRON GRAY" >To: >Subject: Re: KR: gear height (the price of tea) >Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:06:35 -0400 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Rich, I am using the diehl main gear and nose ggear on my "s" it goes >together nicely and fairly easily. My hangar buddies, steve makish and bob >lester liked it so much that they are both switching to the main gear setup >for their butt draggers :0) I think you will like it over the alum. ,my >cheap opinion Warron in flat lawdy dale >I forgot to add that i was testing with a 56 inch warp drive with no problem >on ground clearance. i will be using a 52 inch prop in the end as tests show >i can run up my soob to 5600 on a 52 60 but that is static. probably a66inch >pitch for best use. sorry got carried away with engine talk. buy the diehl >gear.... >>Richard Parker wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know how high the Diehl gear is? (for a nosedragger) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:39:29 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Shirts again Hello, Netters Just to let everybody know, more KRNet shirts were ordered to have a few of each size in stock (and to make up a deficiency to Rich Parker). I also ordered a sample run of 4 caps. Not sure on the price yet, but probably in the $15 range. Not sure how I am going to package them for mailing yet, either!!! Gonna make a sample coffee mug, too... and anybody wants sweatshirts or long-sleeve shirts or anything else, email me for a quote. Not broken even yet, but getting there. Thanks to all who ordered and paid, and hope you got your money's worth. Anybody else wants one, email me privately and we'll make a deal. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:39:44 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Ya mean a Stupid Lawyer Joke? Figures now that I'm all worked up designing my own GBII that takes off in 75 ft. TS is 250mph, cruise at 210mph, climbs at 1250fpm, range all depends on how tight you wind up the rubber band. Gordon Micheal Mims wrote: > Gordon Brimhall wrote: > > > > I don't even want to get into that bunch of crap,>>> > > I think it was a joke. I would imagine RR could give a hoot if you > built a thousand RC models of the KR as long as you didn't sell copies > of the original plans to do so (draw your own). > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:37 From: Troy johnson Subject: Re: KR: Shirts again Oscar, Got the shirts....they are Great ! I assume you got paid , you haven't sent me any nasty e-mails !!! Okay, sign me up for two hats too....let me know how much for sure.... Troy OAt 02:39 PM 10/27/98 PST, you wrote: >Hello, Netters > >Just to let everybody know, more KRNet shirts were ordered to have a few >of each size in stock (and to make up a deficiency to Rich Parker). I >also ordered a sample run of 4 caps. Not sure on the price yet, but >probably in the $15 range. Not sure how I am going to package them for >mailing yet, either!!! Gonna make a sample coffee mug, too... and >anybody wants sweatshirts or long-sleeve shirts or anything else, email >me for a quote. > >Not broken even yet, but getting there. Thanks to all who ordered and >paid, and hope you got your money's worth. Anybody else wants one, >email me privately and we'll make a deal. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:27:47 From: Troy johnson Subject: KR: oooppss Sorry gang, My last e-mail was supposed to just go to Oscar.....DOH !!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:29:41 -0800 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address OK, Copyright, Can't patent an airplane anymore as the Wright Bros should hold the Patent. But you can copyright a set of plans. So I guess like most 650 airplanes out their they all have a fuselage, wings and a tail, they just look a little different from each other. So did the designer of the KR not use anybody elses ideas or wing shape? I have only designed model airplanes form wing shapes, Airfoils that were in Model Airplane News and Airtrails long ago. Funny I built a Canard Type model long before Rutan came out with the real thing, but the Wright Bros had it first. But, not being a aero engineer I also built some that crashed on first flight, models that is. No computers back in the late 50's and 60's I understand the designer of the KR died some time back and his family now sells the plans, is that correct? This is all very interesting. What ever I build it will be scratch built, I'm not about to spend 30,000 to built a 6,000 airplane. Gordon Mike Sharkey wrote: > krnet-l@teleport.com writes: > > > >How long is a patent good for? > > I believe it's a copyright, not a patent. As far as I know, a copyright is good > for ever. > > Mike Sharkey > http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:29:08 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address Keith, Sorry, I don't have any plans for the model. I just used the full-size plans which were $260. This is going to be one of those models that's one-of-a-kind or at least very rare. Some sizes and dimensions are not even shown on the plan, you have to take them from the parts themselves, like the cowling, canopy shape, turtledeck cross-section, etc. If you get a copy of the plans I will pull a -2S canopy for you if you like. I still have the canopy plug. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: JKM001@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:16 AM Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address >Do you have the plans for the scale model of the KR? I am also a RC >enthusiast. > >Keith > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:26:50 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Some progress yesterday. At 03:47 PM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >Well, I put my new ceramic coated exhaust manifold on my KR, >and I'm getting plenty of looks. Everyone thinks I have a chrome >exhaust stack... Nope, it's ceramic coated. Cooler than chrome! > > >Any rate, check the web for ceramic exhaust coatings to see if you >can find a place that will do this for you nearby. > >-- Ross > I should have taken my cowling off at Perry, so I could shown off my new ceramic coated 4-n-one exhaust system. Works great and guranteed to last a lifetime. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:03:31 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New KR website address In a message dated 10/27/98 5:20:05 AM Mountain Standard Time, tomkr2s@t- three.com writes: << Gordon, You might be able to fly off 407' with an ultralight with at least 40hp and FAR 103 weight. -Tom >> My Challenger 2-place gets off in less than 200' with 2 on board. It has a 50 hp Rotax 503 and weighs about 330 lbs. It's quite a machine! Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:09:33 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Mosler engine David Moore wrote: > > So don't expect any help from Mosler Motors. When Mosler sold off the Pup series of aircraft to designer Bob Counts(which became Preceptor A/C), Mosler moved to Florida and reincarnated themselves as Total Engine Concepts(TEC). Last I heard, they had completely discarded the VW based engines in favor of developing components for high-dollar Chevy V8 conversions. Not only won't they talk Hapi with you, they won't even talk VW at all. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:03:46 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR2S info Speaking of Gross weight, what is the gross weight for a KR1 1835 CC Turbo charged airplane with a 52X52 Almost Constant Speed prop?? - The It once was 700 LBS with the first 32HP VW engine as remember. R. W. Moore N115RM - ----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:58 PM Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR2S info >David Pearson wrote: >After full fuel, how much was left over for carrying pilot and >passenger? Any info would be greatly appreciated.>> >> > >I don't think there is anyone on the list with a "flying" KR2S but I see >no reason why a KR2S (basic VFR and VW power) with all the kit pieces >should weigh more than 600 pounds empty. Most KR2s weigh in the 550 to >650 pound range. The useful load on the KR2S is adequate to the size of >the cockpit anyway! :o) I don't think your gona be able to fit two >people in the cockpit that will overgross the airplane unless they have >lead in their pockets. Worst case,.. you have a 650 pound airplane and >a 1000 pound gross, that's 350 pounds for fuel and people. (most hold >about 15 gallons of fuel) > >PS Some KRs are flown at 1200 pounds gross. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #168 *****************************