From: jfdewet@intekom.co.za[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] on behalf of owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:29 AM To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' Subject: RE: KR: What kind of propeller? krnet-l-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 173 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:51:22 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > > oh contrar. the scat crank is the crank that we had trouble with > breaking. the stock 71 or 66mm crank that we modify has not broken to > date. steve gpasc. Thanks, Steve. Now I feel better. 92 hours and counting. Doing first annual. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 04:58:33 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: 1999 Gathering Do they have a web site? If not are you planning on stopping by and taking some pics to make one? :-) Rich Parker >From: KR2616TJ@aol.com >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:08:28 EST >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: 1999 Gathering >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >I just got the contract back from Lake Barkley State Park for lodging. We now >have the go-ahead to call and reserve your room for next years gathering. For >those of you who don't know, the 1999 KR Gathering will be head at Lake >Barkley State Park in far western KY. The dates for the gathering are Friday >9/24 and Saturday 9/25. This state park offers other activities other than us >KR guys swapping lies at the airport. They have, on site, golf, tennis, boat >rental, fishing, hiking trails, miniture (sp) golf, with a breakfast/dinner >buffett bar in the lodge. Lodging will consist of rooms in the newly >renovated lodge (we have 88 rooms reserved) for single $48.45 plus tax, double >56.95 plus tax and the cottages (8 no 7, I got a cabin :-)) for 1-6 adults for >127.50 plus tax. The lodge looks over the lake and the cottages are set back >in the woods overlooking the lake. > >Now here is the kicker, and I'll keep reminding you. Unused accommodations >will be released on July 25, 1999. Reservation requests received after this >date will be filled if space is available. Trust me, Kentucky State Parks are >nothing but nice and fill up regularly a year in advance, expecially the ones >with airports on site. Get your reservations in early. > >Guys, I plan on this being a kickass gathering with something for everyone >from interested builder to builder to flier so plan on being there, it'll be >worth it !!! > >Phone number 1-800-325-1708 mention it is for the 1999 KR Gathering for your >discount. > >See ya > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:20:41 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: What kind of proppellor? Kobus de Wet wrote: > > That prop is a 35" pitch, which on a standard type IV is far below what is > required. I am running a 52"/41" at the moment at sea level and that is > under pitched as I only get 80 Knots at 2700 RPM > > Kobus de Wet > Cape Town, South Africa > GMT + 2.00 > http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ > > ---------- Kobus, Are you saying your max RPM is 2700? This would mean your plane is OVER pitched, but more likely, you have a different problem. You should be able to turn more pitch. I have found that measuring pitch on a prop is sort of like black magic. The bottom line is to get a prop that will turn 35-3600 RPM in flight. You need this RPM to get the HP out of your engine. Also, for the bad writhing Dutch guy- keep in mind that the static RPM on the ground may be 4-500 RPM less than max in flight. Al you can do is try it, but I think a good starting point for a 2000cc T4 would be somewhere between 46-56" pitch. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 06:14:34 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Night VFR KR Guess I'll throw in my 2 cents worth; because many of the knowledgeable folks who write about the KR say the same thing: keep it simple, keep it light, you'll be glad you did cuz it'll perform better. I'm as much a techno-geek as the next engineer, and would love to have all the gizmos, but the attraction of the KR is that it's clean, fast, and cheap. Gizmos make it heavier and cost more. Flew most of my night VFR in Texas, and if it weren't for oil and gas locations, there would be no ground reference at all on many nights out in the brush country. Flew into cloud one night in the pattern in a Tomahawk, sure was glad I had a basic gyro panel so I could do a level 180. Here in Oregon, fog and cloud forms so fast it still amazes me; a guy could be on the gauges in -literally- 30 sec. even on a starry night! My choice is still, "I'd rather be down here, wishing I were up there... than up there, wishing I were down here!". Lights add minimal weight, but think hard about adding anything at all. (I'm reminding myself here, too). And FWIW- the local FBO doesn't allow night VFR cross-country (out of the CZ) without either an instrument rating or an instructor. Not an FAR- just local decree. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 06:31:54 PST From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: Re: KR: Night VFR >And FWIW- the local FBO doesn't allow night VFR >cross-country (out of the CZ) without either an >instrument rating or an instructor. Not an FAR- >just local decree. >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon Interesting, Oscar. I assume that's for rental aircraft only, right? 'Cause there ain't an FBO in the world that's going to prevent me from legally flying my bird anytime I want to... day or night. For the record, I do a considerable amount of night flying in my little Tomahawk and have yet to encounter any problems. I do, however, get a good weather briefing before departing. Naturally, if the wx isn't suitable for night VFR, then I don't go. It's that simple. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:23:23 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: 1999 Gathering In a message dated 98-11-03 07:59:31 EST, you write: << Do they have a web site? If not are you planning on stopping by and taking some pics to make one? :-) Rich Parker >> Kentucky has a state park website at http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/parks.htm You can find out information about Lake Barkley State Resort Park but as I recall there are no pictures. I haven't tried a search yet so give that a try. In the mean time picture twin lakes running parallel north to south in far western KY running into TN with lots of woods, recreation and an airport. Doesn't get much better :-). I believe Steve Eberhart has some pictures, I'll check it out. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:34:00 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: 1999 Gathering On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-11-03 07:59:31 EST, you write: > > << > Do they have a web site? > > If not are you planning on stopping by and taking some pics to make one? > :-) > > Rich Parker >> > Kentucky has a state park website at http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/parks.htm > > You can find out information about Lake Barkley State Resort Park but as I > recall there are no pictures. I haven't tried a search yet so give that a > try. > > In the mean time picture twin lakes running parallel north to south in far > western KY running into TN with lots of woods, recreation and an airport. > Doesn't get much better :-). > > I believe Steve Eberhart has some pictures, I'll check it out. I don't have pictures of the Lake Barkley resort but I do have the brochure from Kentucky Dam Village which is on the other lake. I am going to the Lakes for a mid winter getaway in January. Will take some pictures then with the digital camera and post them. As Dana has said, "It doesn't get much better than this." We can all lookforward to a great time, not only the Gathering regulars but new and potential builders. There will be something for everyone. Steve Eberhart - ------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:45:09 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: 1999 Gathering web sites. I just switched over to my other server and found the following web sites http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/parks/lakebark.htm This will take you directly to a listing of what is on site. I hope you will see why we picked this area for the gathering.......something for everyone. I didn't mention, for you fisherman......check out the guide services on this lake they are some of the best. http://www.lakebarkley.org This is a web page put up my a tourism commission in Lyon Co. The lake in a huge lake so a lot of people advertise as being on it. Nice web page. http://tokentucky.com Devoted to Western Kentucky Wetlands. Another page of attractions for the entire area. Check these out and I believe you will see that this area lends itself to offering something for the whole family............while we KR nuts swap lies at the airport :-). If you want to see more, go to yahoo and type in the search for lake+barkley. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:29:58 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: RE: KR: What kind of propeller? Tom, No I did not say that I was only getting 2700 rpm out of the engine, I said "I only get 80 Kts at 2700 rpm". I get 3400 RPM on the ground on the 41" prop. I had a 46" prop on the aircraft at first and was only getting 2900 rpm static. But that was before a lot of work was done on the engine. As soon as the proving flight time is done I will go back to the 46" Kobus de Wet Kobus de Wet wrote: > > That prop is a 35" pitch, which on a standard type IV is far below what is > required. I am running a 52"/41" at the moment at sea level and that is > under pitched as I only get 80 Knots at 2700 RPM > Tom Crawford wrote Kobus, Are you saying your max RPM is 2700? This would mean your plane is OVER pitched, but more likely, you have a different problem. You should be able to turn more pitch. I have found that measuring pitch on a prop is sort of like black magic. The bottom line is to get a prop that will turn 35-3600 RPM in flight. You need this RPM to get the HP out of your engine. Also, for the bad writhing Dutch guy- keep in mind that the static RPM on the ground may be 4-500 RPM less than max in flight. Al you can do is try it, but I think a good starting point for a 2000cc T4 would be somewhere between 46-56" pitch. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:42:47 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance tapered spacer on the nose, new keyway, 1/2" bolt, tapered. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:25:39 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance At 03:42 PM 11/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >tapered spacer on the nose, new keyway, 1/2" bolt, tapered. steve Ok, thanks for the info. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:55:59 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC That remark was not necessary. You people get too emotional over some of this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 07:17:21 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: VW 2180 in Australia For Sale Revmaster 2180 cc engine for sale. Only 6 hours total time. Mag, starter, alloy cylinders as received from Revmaster Australian dollars $4.000.00 (half new price) Contact: Rob + 61 3 57952 983. This is from an aviation newsgroup. Do not contact me. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:08:59 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Apology and new stuff (accidental IMC) JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > That remark was not necessary. > You people get too emotional over some of this. Your right, I am guilty! I apologize to you and everyone else. Displaced aggression (to many others telling me I was wrong I guess). On another note, I spent a good 2 hours shaping the left half of the cowling last night. My intake scoop arrived at my doorstep yesterday. For those of you needing a intake scoop for your Continental or Lycoming, call Vans (or fax them) and order the one for the RV6/RV6A-320, you WILL like it! I have to admit I was a little gun shy about carving my own cowling but I think the cowling will look just fine once finished. If you were thinking about trying it go ahead, its not that hard. Plan on spending at least $200 building your own. I have about $240 into mine because of the nose bowl and intake scoop but I really had no choice because the RR O-200 cowling would not fit. I will snap some pictures this weekend. I sure miss my digital camera. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:37:38 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: KR: Re: Apology and new stuff (accidental IMC) Mike: I built mine just by laying up foam and sanding to the shape I needed. It looks really quite good I think, hope to be able to send some photos soon so that you can share, all the best. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 4, 1998 12:16 PM Subject: KR: Apology and new stuff (accidental IMC) >JKM001@aol.com wrote: >> >> That remark was not necessary. >> You people get too emotional over some of this. > >Your right, I am guilty! I apologize to you and everyone else. >Displaced aggression (to many others telling me I was wrong I guess). > >On another note, I spent a good 2 hours shaping the left half of the >cowling last night. My intake scoop arrived at my doorstep yesterday. >For those of you needing a intake scoop for your Continental or >Lycoming, call Vans (or fax them) and order the one for the >RV6/RV6A-320, you WILL like it! I have to admit I was a little gun shy >about carving my own cowling but I think the cowling will look just fine >once finished. If you were thinking about trying it go ahead, its not >that hard. Plan on spending at least $200 building your own. I have >about $240 into mine because of the nose bowl and intake scoop but I >really had no choice because the RR O-200 cowling would not fit. I will >snap some pictures this weekend. I sure miss my digital camera. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:03:16 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: Cowlings Will the RR 0-200 cowling fit over the Lyc 0-235? I donno, making your own cowling seems to me to be the most difficult part of the project! On another note...At the EAA Golden West Regional Fly-in (Merced, CA) in early October I noticed only two KR2's. With over 11,000 sets of plans sold, where are the airplanes? Is the KR such a pain to build that few are finished? At the same fly-in, over 60 Vari-eze, Cozy, Long-eze and every other eze was there. I can't believe that these planes are any easier to build than a KR. So what's up? Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com Just start'n ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:19:22 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Cowlings At 12:03 PM 11/4/98 -0800, you wrote: >Will the RR 0-200 cowling fit over the Lyc 0-235? I donno, making your own >cowling seems to me to be the most difficult part of the project! Wonder why that is??? >On another note...At the EAA Golden West Regional Fly-in (Merced, CA) in >early October I noticed only two KR2's. With over 11,000 sets of plans >sold, where are the airplanes? Is the KR such a pain to build that few are >finished? I bought my plans from Stu Robinson in 1974, I think, at Oshcosh. I have memorized those plans, and read them until the book is about worn out. Maybe, just maybe, I will start cutting wood next year. I'll tell ya, it's just been one thing and another that keeps me from my dream. My latest roadblock is spinal surgery that will take place this month, and will keep me layed up for 4 to 6 months. > >At the same fly-in, over 60 Vari-eze, Cozy, Long-eze and every other eze >was there. I can't believe that these planes are any easier to build than >a KR. I very likely will never build any of the eze's. they are just too expensive. I'm priced out of the market, the same reason that I haven't bought a new car since 1979. >So what's up? Does that tell you anything?? WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:35:27 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Cowlings yyyOn Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Tim Anderson wrote: [snip] > On another note...At the EAA Golden West Regional Fly-in (Merced, CA) in > early October I noticed only two KR2's. With over 11,000 sets of plans > sold, where are the airplanes? Is the KR such a pain to build that few are > finished? > > At the same fly-in, over 60 Vari-eze, Cozy, Long-eze and every other eze > was there. I can't believe that these planes are any easier to build than > a KR. At the risk of getting another flame war started I will stick my neck out and offer my thoughts on this. The KR is probably one of the most apealing plans built designs around if you are looking for the most inexpensive means to fly two people at 150 mph+. It is a neat looking airplane and the construction techniques are the same as we used to build model airplanes with. It isn't a stretch to think that "I can build this thing". For only a $250 investment in plans I immediately became an airplane builder pursuing a life long goal of mine. Now the down side. When I bought the plans I hadn't even seen a KR in person. Now I have, but, a little of the lustre is gone from the dream. I am a very low time pilot, only about 50 hours. I had the opporitunity to fly Marty Roberts KR-2 at the Perry Gathering this year. Marty is a very accomplished pilot and flies his KR like it was an extension of himself. When I had the stick it was one PIO after another. Marty spent the whole time with his hand inches over mine ready to grab the stick in an instant, and he had to many times. What all of this is building up to is this. In the experienced hands of a KR master it is a neat little airplane. In the hands of a low time, inexperienced pilot, it is an accident waiting to happen. I suspect that there are a lot of KRs sitting in garages, etc. that scared the hell out of their builders on the first flights. I also think that there are probably a lot of nearly finished KRs out there that got moth balled after the builder finally got a ride in a KR and decided that they weren't ready for quite so spirited an airplane. In the hands of an experienced pilot they are beautiful to behold. In the hands of a 100 hour pilot I think I would be a little concerned. Just my .02 worth. Steve EBerhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:10:51 -0500 From: neil Rawlinson <100647.575@compuserve.com> Subject: KR: KR engine mount torque settings Hello all KR-netters! I'm building a KR in the UK and this is my first outing to KRnet, About to instal my 1835cc VW with Hapi Accessory case onto my GPASC stock VW engine mount. Anyone any ideas about torgue settings for the bolts? Bingelis says in firewall forward that this is very important and to 'use the settings recommended in the engine manual' (!) - there aint one! Any ideas? Regards - Neil Rawlinson aAAny idea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:14:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: PIOs, a very old horse! (was Cowlings) Steven Eberhart wrote: > What all of this is building up to is this. In the experienced hands of >a KR master it is a neat little airplane. In the hands of a low time, > inexperienced pilot, it is an accident waiting to happen. I suspect >that there are a lot of KRs sitting in garages, etc. that scared the >hell out of their builders on the first flights.>>> There is not doubt that this has happened to a large percentage of the KRs built. There are 4 KRs at my field an only one gets flown on a regular basis. All of them had handling issues due primarily to PIOs and low time pilots at the controls. Two of them had minor impacts with the ground of which one was converted to tri gear and is flown regularly but solo only. Like you said its a great little airplane on the hands of someone who master's it but in SOME low time pilots hands it tends to bite! If your building one you should make it a priority to get a ride on one before you get too far along. FWIW Of the four owners, one has basically disappeared, two will tell you they are scared to death of their airplanes and one says he loves his. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:19:32 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cowlings Tim Anderson wrote: > > Will the RR 0-200 cowling fit over the Lyc 0-235? I donno, making your own cowling seems to me to be the most difficult part of the project! > The O-235 and O-290 are exactly the same size. Actually they are the same engine with the 290 having a larger bore I believe. As far as making the cowling, I would say it is far easier to build than the turtledecks or the wings utilizing urethane foam construction. I am using large cell polystyrene and it carves SOOOOOO nice! Photos at 11:00! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:22:33 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR engine mount torque settings neil Rawlinson wrote: > About to instal my 1835cc VW with Hapi Accessory case onto my GPASC stock VW engine mount. >>> Which bolts are you talking about? The bolts that go through the rubber bushings or the bolts that hold the accessory case to the VW engine case or the bolts that hold the motor mount to the firewall? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:22:08 -0500 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: PIOs, a very old horse! (was Cowlings) Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: PIOs, a very old horse! (was Cowlings) > Date: November 4, 1998 4:14 PM > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > What all of this is building up to is this. In the experienced hands of >a KR master it is a neat little airplane. In the hands of a low time, > > inexperienced pilot, it is an accident waiting to happen. I suspect >that there are a lot of KRs sitting in garages, etc. that scared the >hell out of their builders on the first flights.>>> > > > Like you said its a great little airplane on the hands of someone who > master's it but in SOME low time pilots hands it tends to bite! If your > building one you should make it a priority to get a ride on one before > you get too far along. > Getting ride in any sort of KR up here in Ottawa is next to impossible as I think I own the only one in the area. I would have been ready to fly except that I took this summer off to pay attention to the lady of the house. One divorce was enough for me. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:44:44 -0600 From: Kerry Miller Subject: KR: NACA vents Does anybody know of a source on the 'net where I can get the dimensions of a NACA air vent? I know the proper dimensions are given as a ratio of each other, but can't remember what they are or even where I saw it. Thanks, Kerry Miller Proud FULL owner of 1/2 of a KR-2, and FINALLY working on it again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:38:43 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR:KRs not making airshows. Ok Steve, I'm gonna both agree and disagree on this one. There is little doubt in my mind that many KR's are sitting because the pilots are scared to death of them. In some cases this is justified as many KRs are flying with a really bad aft CG problem. I'll maintain that much of the problem is related to lack of training under the proper circumstances. At the 1997 KR gathering, I took two guys that I figured were probably pretty decent pilots out for rides in my bird. I set the plane up at cruise and let them have it. The response was an instant case of divergent PIOs. Heck, I'm no great pilot. I had to wonder why these guys had problems with the plane. This last spring I took a number of kids out for Young Eagle rides in my KR. All of them flew the plane with very little problem. The question, "Why can kids fly my KR while pilots can't?" I concluded that pilots tend to grab the stick and tug on it expecting to feel some feedback on the controls. This starts the PIOs followed by overreactions while trying to find a "feel" at speed. Kids have no such expectations, so they don't treat the control stick the same as pilots. The test: This year at the 1998 KR Gathering I took 2 - 100 hour Cessna pilots and two 20 hour student pilots out in my plane. Instead of setting them up at cruise, I trimmed the plane out for 90 mph and let them fly it at a speed where they could keep up with the plane while they learned a feel for it. I kept reaching down and screwing in a little more throttle and retrimming after the first few minutes. Within a few more minutes, they were all happily cruising along at the same speed where more experienced pilots were struggling last year. Perhaps Haris or Rob have some comments from the viewpoint of their first KR experiences flying my plane. I concluded that there are two strikes against the KR: 1) It is a very pitch sensative plane. Some folks are redesigning the tail to address this problem. I also have an idea that I will share after I modify the controls on my bird and thoroughly test it. 2) It is very difficult to find a KR to train in. The planes are small and do not handle well when full of pilots in an aft CG configuration. This makes for difficult training circumstances at best. If you're a big guy, you can forget ever getting any meaningful training in a KR at the gathering or otherwise. You just can't change the physics of CG and gross weight. If either of these problems can be addressed, you will see alot more KRs out of their hangers and in the air. I also have to agree with some previous comments about the KR plans being an inexpensive dream to own. Building the plane is a long process that takes a great deal of dedication and more $$ than Rand would have you believe. My KR is one of the most difficult planes I have ever flown. By the same token, it is also one of the most fun planes I have ever flown. I do believe the handling can be improved substantially without making it less fun to fly. I have flown Glassairs that were faster and every bit as fun as my KR without the sensative elevator. By the same token, the elevator on the two seat Lancairs are every bit as sensative as the KR and you will usually see more Lancairs at the fly-ins than KRs. Go figure. As for showing up at airshows, mine made it to three in September and October and missed a fourth one due to a scheduling conflict. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:35:27 -0600 (CST) Steven Eberhart writes: >yyyOn Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Tim Anderson wrote: > >[snip] > >> On another note...At the EAA Golden West Regional Fly-in (Merced, >CA) in >> early October I noticed only two KR2's. With over 11,000 sets of >plans >> sold, where are the airplanes? Is the KR such a pain to build that >few are >> finished? >> >> At the same fly-in, over 60 Vari-eze, Cozy, Long-eze and every other >eze >> was there. I can't believe that these planes are any easier to >build than >> a KR. > >At the risk of getting another flame war started I will stick my neck >out >and offer my thoughts on this. > >The KR is probably one of the most apealing plans built designs around >if >you are looking for the most inexpensive means to fly two people at >150 >mph+. It is a neat looking airplane and the construction techniques >are >the same as we used to build model airplanes with. It isn't a stretch >to >think that "I can build this thing". For only a $250 investment in >plans >I immediately became an airplane builder pursuing a life long goal of >mine. Now the down side. When I bought the plans I hadn't even seen >a KR >in person. Now I have, but, a little of the lustre is gone from the >dream. I am a very low time pilot, only about 50 hours. I had the >opporitunity to fly Marty Roberts KR-2 at the Perry Gathering this >year. >Marty is a very accomplished pilot and flies his KR like it was an >extension of himself. When I had the stick it was one PIO after >another. >Marty spent the whole time with his hand inches over mine ready to >grab >the stick in an instant, and he had to many times. > >What all of this is building up to is this. In the experienced hands >of a >KR master it is a neat little airplane. In the hands of a low time, >inexperienced pilot, it is an accident waiting to happen. I suspect >that >there are a lot of KRs sitting in garages, etc. that scared the hell >out >of their builders on the first flights. I also think that there are >probably a lot of nearly finished KRs out there that got moth balled >after >the builder finally got a ride in a KR and decided that they weren't >ready >for quite so spirited an airplane. > >In the hands of an experienced pilot they are beautiful to behold. In >the >hands of a 100 hour pilot I think I would be a little concerned. > >Just my .02 worth. > >Steve EBerhart >------------------------------------- >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions >are >easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is >strictly >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is >anything >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:14:27 -0500 From: Allan Horne Subject: KR: KR2S controls Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:58:45 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Want to advertise an engine.] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4E18639D7671D94E8D9F7679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------4E18639D7671D94E8D9F7679 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Wed Nov 4 23:38:33 1998) X-From_: DClarke351@aol.com Wed Nov 04 23:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: krnet@smtp2.teleport.com Received: (qmail 24216 invoked by uid 10244); 4 Nov 1998 23:19:46 -0000 Delivered-To: krnet+krnet.org-X-krnet@krnet.org Received: (qmail 24206 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1998 23:19:45 -0000 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.9) by smtp2.teleport.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1998 23:19:45 -0000 Received: from DClarke351@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 4IDOa04680 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: DClarke351@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:17:22 EST To: krnet@krnet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Want to advertise an engine. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I have a Subuaru engine for sale. Do I just write the information in the E- Mail? I am also a KR - 2 owner. (N9296M) here in El Paso. Was at the Perry KR flyin. Don Clarke - --------------4E18639D7671D94E8D9F7679-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:18:02 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Tailwheel Anybody have a Great Plains tailwheel and bracket that they want to sell? Don't need the rod spring. E-mail me privately. Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 06:36:35 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Changing N-number Got this off a newsgroup. repeated here for the group in case it helps Ron Lee "Gregory R. Runnels" wrote: > Anyone know anything about getting a custom N number? Procedures? > Cost? Easy deal. I just did it. Total cost: $10, plus a couple of stamps. If you want to change your N Number immediately, send a letter to: FAA Aircraft Registry Attn: Central Records PO Box 25504 Oklahoma City, OK 73125 To whom it may concern: This is to request a change of N Number for (aircraft type, serial number and current N Number). Enclosed, please find a check in the amount of $10.00. In order of preference, my desired N Numbers are: (then give them several options). As you probably know, you can get a pretty accurate list of all N numbers either currently in use or on reserve through Landings.com. However there are numbers not listed in their database which are unavailable for one reason or another, so the FAA wants some choices. Or, you can do what I did....which was to reserve one or more N Numbers until the day comes when you will paint your plane. To whom it may concern: This is to request reservation of N Numbers for future application to an, as yet, unknown aircraft. I couldn't make up my mind between two or three favorites, so I reserved all three for almost two years. At the end of your first year, the FAA will send you a postcard saying that your reservation will expire on such and such a date unless you send them another $10. My situation was complicated slightly because I own my plane in a corporation, so I had to send a letter releasing the reserved N Number from my name and reassigning it to my corporation. No big deal. The folks at the Aircraft Registry were very helpful when I called for information or assistance. There was a minimum of bureaucratic niff naws. And, in the end, it all came off without a hitch. My choice? N321MJ for Marilyn (my wife's name) and Jim (uh...me). It never hurts to name your plane after your wife :-). I liked idea of being "One Mike Juliet." It's our first plane, after all. Being the obsessive kind of guy that I am, I spent several weeks prior to making my decision saying different N Numbers out loud to see how they rolled off the tongue. It may sound silly, but I you're going to be saying that number many thousands of times over the next few years. I found that my old number: Sundowner One Niner Niner Three Lima was a mouthful. I didn't want to repeat that. Good luck. - -Jim ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #173 *****************************