From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:26 AM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #177 krnet-l-digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 177 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:42:20 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Speed brake details from 133RM Material is 1/16" AL. Width is the same as the belly and the depth (front to back dimension) is 8" Two rows of holes, 6 holes in each row, 2.5" diameter. Holes are on aligned above/below compared to the other row Full length hinge on the front. Hinge point is about halfway between the front and aft spar. There is a piece of spruce (?) about 1/2" square that runs between the sides to which the hinge is bolted. The actuator is a handle between the seats. The placement looks like it is "about" halfway between the leading and trailing portions of the wing. Someone with better aerodynamics skills can comment on the effect of the speed brake placement and changes in pitch when activating it. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:51:11 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Brake Fluid Jeff, I thought that one of the KR's at the fly-in this year had a brake line come off. I'm thinking it was plastic, softened, and popped loose. -- Ross Richard Parker wrote: > > Excellent post Jeff, I never even thought of that. > > Thanks, > > Rich Parker > Jaffrey, NH > > >To: krnet > >As long as we are on the brake subject, I'll post the same warning I > try > >to get in here every few months. Do not run the plastic hydraulic > lines > >all the way to the brakes. They can overheat and melt. One of our EAA > >chapter members had his aircraft burn to the ground after one of these > >plastic lines ruptured and sprayed hydraulic on the hot brakes while > >doing touch and goes. A second plane in our chapter had both brake > lines > >rupture after a long taxi on a hot afternoon. > > > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > > Richard E. Parker > Jaffrey, NH > theparkers@monad.net > richontheroad@hotmail.com > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 11:13:30 -0700 From: Adrian Carter Subject: KR: Ed Janssen Ed, Think I misaddressed and was returned. Mail me again - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:25:08 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Brake Fluid > > > > Excellent post Jeff, I never even thought of that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rich Parker This is an excellent post (reminder) of what can happen in the experimental world of aviation. But considering there are about 5 different types of this tubing sold and they all look the same, I think its important to make sure you get the right stuff! One type is good for only 120 degrees while others are good for up to 350+ degrees. One problem I see is you have to trust the $3.50 per hour parts person at AS&S to pull the correct stuff even if you do your homework! I am pretty sure I have the right tubing but I installed a 10 inch piece of flexible high pressure hose at the caliper anyway. FWIW I mentioned the melting brake line syndrome to the LongEZ and Dragonfly guys and none of them have had trouble with the tubing. Speaking of LongEZs, man those guys have to be the MOST active group of homebuilders in the world! Those dudes are ALWAYS flying and there must be 50 of them at my airport. I think it is safe to say there is not a single EZ hanger queen at Chino. A big percentage of the Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Jeff, > I thought that one of the KR's at the fly-in this year had a brake > line come off. I'm thinking it was plastic, softened, and popped loose. > > -- Ross > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > > Excellent post Jeff, I never even thought of that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rich Parker > > Jaffrey, NH > > > > >To: krnet > > >As long as we are on the brake subject, I'll post the same warning I > > try > > >to get in here every few months. Do not run the plastic hydraulic > > lines > > >all the way to the brakes. They can overheat and melt. One of our EAA > > >chapter members had his aircraft burn to the ground after one of these > > >plastic lines ruptured and sprayed hydraulic on the hot brakes while > > >doing touch and goes. A second plane in our chapter had both brake > > lines > > >rupture after a long taxi on a hot afternoon. > > > > > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > > > > Richard E. Parker > > Jaffrey, NH > > theparkers@monad.net > > richontheroad@hotmail.com > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com pilots I have talked to had either a Dragonfly or a KR first. Interesting huh? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:33:35 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Brake Fluid > > > > Excellent post Jeff, I never even thought of that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rich Parker This is an excellent post (reminder) of what can happen in the experimental world of aviation. But considering there are about 5 different types of this tubing sold and they all look the same, I think its important to make sure you get the right stuff! One type is good for only 120 degrees while others are good for up to 350+ degrees. One problem I see is you have to trust the $3.50 per hour parts person at AS&S to pull the correct stuff even if you do your homework! I am pretty sure I have the right tubing but I installed a 10 inch piece of flexible high pressure hose at the caliper anyway. FWIW I mentioned the melting brake line syndrome to the LongEZ and Dragonfly guys and none of them have had trouble with the tubing. Speaking of LongEZs, man those guys have to be the MOST active group of homebuilders in the world! Those dudes are ALWAYS flying and there must be 50 of them at my airport. I think it is safe to say there is not a single EZ hanger queen at Chino. A big percentage of the pilots I have talked to had either a Dragonfly or a KR first. Interesting huh? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:16:49 -0500 From: neil Rawlinson <100647.575@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: KR: KR engine mount torque settings I'm located in a little village in the Derbyshire peak district called Grindon. that is near to Manchester in the North and Derby in the south. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:12:33 -0500 From: neil Rawlinson <100647.575@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: KR: KR engine mount torque settings bolts that go through the rubber bushings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:12:33 -0500 From: neil Rawlinson <100647.575@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: KR: KR engine mount torque settings bolts that go through the rubber bushings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:42:37 -0500 From: Tim Key Subject: KR: KR2 James, I have a KR2 project for sale: Complete boat stage With tail feathers Spars complete On retract gear Have canopy Make an offer. The plane is in Orlando, FL. Tim Key (407) 859-6997 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:36:40 -0600 From: Henning Mortensen Subject: KR: RE: Re:speed brake - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0B28.9072E9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, it sounds like what you are referring to is what we in the = gliding community use for our landing approaches. We use them for all = the same reasons you were citing. I would recommend that if you plan on = doing spoilers, visit your local gliding club, you will see lots of = different installations. I would be a bit hesitant to get away from a = direct coupled control here. At least in the gliding world this is not = an on/off control. We aim for about 1/2 spoilers on final, but those of = us who are not aces will vary spoilers in infinite infinitesimal = adjustments all the way down. In gliders we have the added concern that = the brake is usually activated when the spoiler is fully deployed. This = means that a full spoiler landing also involves skidding on the main. = (gee just like the Europa). Just a thought, we don't see spoilers on a lot of powered planes, Might = this be because the prop wash makes the spoilers work deferentially, = thus causing a rolling motion when deployed? Anyone care to comment? Henning - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Covington [SMTP:t88@primenet.com] Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 10:14 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Re:speed brake >>I plan to install some wing mounted speed brakes that pop up out of = the >wing. >> >>Robert Covington >Hi Robert, >What kind of speed brakes and where on the wing? Thanks for your interest Tom. They will either be aluminum or composite rotationally hinged plates = that mesh into each other like the commercial ones that come up = vertically,and fit flush when retracted. Probably cable and spring activated to save weight over making it otherwise operated. >Are you going to try them >at landing? Yes.Besides killing lift for a sharper descent, or using them for extra speed control if flying sloppy, I plan to use them to drop the thing = onto the runway more easily during ground effect tantrums. :) But if that is = the case, I might make them electric and have an on/off button mounted on = the stick or somewhere close so as not to distract during the critical = landing period. I think it would be cool to have something that pushes up vertically through the wing (other than the landing gear) in quick = bursts, with fast retractions for custom controllablility. :) Solenoid time. Depends on how well they work or not. Might have to leave them on for a half hour just to get to pattern speed. The solenoids can also activate = the guns on the wings, the sidewinders on the tips, and the flour bomb hardpoints on the bottom. ;) Robert Covington - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE0B28.9072E9C0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ii4VAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAqAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAARwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGtybmV0LWxAdGVsZXBv cnQuY29tAFNNVFAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAD MAEAAAAVAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5jb20AAAAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAA FwAAACdrcm5ldC1sQHRlbGVwb3J0LmNvbScAAAIBCzABAAAAGgAAAFNNVFA6S1JORVQtTEBURUxF UE9SVC5DT00AAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAHgD2XwEAAAAVAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5j b20AAAAAAgH3XwEAAABHAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9y dC5jb20AU01UUABrcm5ldC1sQHRlbGVwb3J0LmNvbQAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8BAAAA 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I'm thinking it was plastic, softened, and popped loose. > > -- Ross > I had this happen about six weeks ago just taxiing. Got back to the hangar and noticed a pool of fluid by the left tire. Since I did not scare myself that badly that day, I could rule out one fluid. Checking it quickly revealed it was brake fluid. It apparently had gotten hot from too frequent brake usage..softened and popped out while I ran up the engine. I have since put various materials around it to protect it in case my brake usage causes problems again. Ron "I confess" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:17:56 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Allan, Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual control. Rich Allan Horne wrote: > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:06:39 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Re: Ron, Can you send me some info on the trigear system? Rich Mccall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > Steve, > I am using S2 Glass which has twice the strength of E Glass. Therefore, a > thinner glass can be used along with less Epoxy Resin. I am also > incorporating a Tri-gear retract using compressed air, the gears fail in > the down position ( air to retract ) using over center locking linkage. It > is very time consuming modification. Time is not driving my project, doing > it my way is, and the best I can do, is. I will get it finished. The > project will wait for you to complete it. Check out my article in the KR > NEWSLETTER ISSUE 250. > > You brother in KR building. > > Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 5:59 PM > > > > > > > > >I am getting ready to start construction on a KR2-S and was wondering > >if anyone has covered one with kevlar or carbon graphite to save > >weight. I was also toying with the idea of making a retractable > >trigear...has this been done in the passed? Any info would be greatly > >appreciated. > > > >Thanks > >Steve > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > jrlkc@mindspring.com Work Voice: 816-468-4091 > 7333 North Brooklyn Home Voice: 816-468-4425 > Gladstone, Voice Pager: 816-989-9692 > MO. Work Fax: 816-468-5465 > 64118-2329 Home Fax: 816-468-5465 > U.S.A. > Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone 931-393-3165. > Additional Information: > Version 2.1 > Last Name Eason Sr. > First Name Ronald > Additional NameR. > Label Work jrlkc@mindspring.com 7333 North Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-232 U.S.A. > Label Home 7333 N. Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-2329 U.S.A. > Revision 19981107T043205Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:34:38 -0500 From: "James Bassett." Subject: KR: Re: Brake Lines - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lee To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 4:54 PM Subject: KR: Brake Lines >At 09:51 AM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Jeff, >> I thought that one of the KR's at the fly-in this year had a brake >>line come off. I'm thinking it was plastic, softened, and popped loose. >> >> -- Ross >> >I had this happen about six weeks ago just taxiing. Got back to the hangar >and noticed a pool of fluid by the left tire. Since I did not scare myself >that badly that day, I could rule out one fluid. Checking it quickly >revealed it was brake fluid. > >It apparently had gotten hot from too frequent brake usage..softened and >popped out while I ran up the engine. > >I have since put various materials around it to protect it in case my >brake usage causes problems again. > >Ron "I confess" Lee >Ron-The Rv folks ran into the same problem.Their remedy was a small length of aluminum brakeline up from the brake and then the plastic line the rest of the way.Also heard them mention a cooling vent on the wheel pant helped. Jim (nifty@leading.net) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:34:01 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner Alan: Am sending Panel Planner to Ed Janssen along with a list of all who asked for it. Also sent copies to everyone of my Email to him. Rich Alan Moat wrote: > Rich: > > I tried to buy one of these a few months back but they said they were sold > out and would not get any more. I hope they have changed their mind. Maybe > I should try again. > > Alan Moat > moat@bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Parker > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner > > > > >>More ot the point, I'd like the panel planner since I am working on the > >>panel at this time. My KR2SXL is really large (44" cabin width). I > >can't > >>use standard premade parts and have to build everything from scratch. > > > >Wag Aero has a Grumman Traveller panel that will fit for $11. at that > >price its disposable if it doesnt work. > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:09:57 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR engine mount torque settings neil Rawlinson wrote: > > bolts that go through the rubber bushings There are two torque settings depending on what size conical bushings you have. They are: 80 inch pounds for small (continental type) bushings 40 inch pounds for the larger (lycoming type) bushings One way to tell which bushings you have is the hole size (for the bolt) the small bushings use 3/8 inch bolts and the large bushings use 1/2 inch bolts. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:54:40 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:AS&S hourly wage One >problem I see is you have to trust the $3.50 per hour parts person at >AS&S to pull the correct stuff even if you do your homework! Come on Mike, it is probably $4.50 an hour. :) The batch they had working there last time I was there knew their stuff quite well, at the order desk at least. It is the people who pull the parts from the back and bring it up that I worry about, too. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:58:39 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls could I get a set of the drawings too? John F. Esch Salem, OR rmccall wrote: > Allan, > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > > control. > > Rich > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:23:05 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Re: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BE0B4D.35874F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have the details with me here in Tullahoma, Tenn. but the system is vary similar to the Lance Air Mains and nose gear. If you checkout a Lance Airs', it works the same way. My nose Gear bolts to the Fire Wall and the strut to a steel cage that houses the retracted gear, the cage blots to the main spar and the Fire Wall. I have my gear photos at home in KCMO. The gear structure is Cromalloy Steel 4010. The mains attach to the wing attachment fitting bolts. As a set the three gears weigh about the same as the stock gears. The shock cushions are urethane springs, 3/4"=1500 lbs.. Again, don start this unless you watch the weight and can afford the time. I built mine twice. Don't start a modification that could discourage you if it takes longer than you plan. Ron - -----Original Message----- From: rmccall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 2:19 PM Subject: Re: KR: Re: >Ron, > >Can you send me some info on the trigear system? > >Rich Mccall >1518 Holly Lane >Junction City, KS 66441 > >Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > >> Steve, >> I am using S2 Glass which has twice the strength of E Glass. Therefore, a >> thinner glass can be used along with less Epoxy Resin. I am also >> incorporating a Tri-gear retract using compressed air, the gears fail in >> the down position ( air to retract ) using over center locking linkage. It >> is very time consuming modification. Time is not driving my project, doing >> it my way is, and the best I can do, is. I will get it finished. The >> project will wait for you to complete it. Check out my article in the KR >> NEWSLETTER ISSUE 250. >> >> You brother in KR building. >> >> Ron >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 5:59 PM >> >> > >> > >> > >> >I am getting ready to start construction on a KR2-S and was wondering >> >if anyone has covered one with kevlar or carbon graphite to save >> >weight. I was also toying with the idea of making a retractable >> >trigear...has this been done in the passed? Any info would be greatly >> >appreciated. >> > >> >Thanks >> >Steve >> > >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >> >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. >> C.E.O., President >> J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. >> Engineering >> >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. >> C.E.O., President >> J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. >> Engineering >> jrlkc@mindspring.com Work Voice: 816-468-4091 >> 7333 North Brooklyn Home Voice: 816-468-4425 >> Gladstone, Voice Pager: 816-989-9692 >> MO. Work Fax: 816-468-5465 >> 64118-2329 Home Fax: 816-468-5465 >> U.S.A. >> Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. 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I drew up a picture of the proposed contraption which can be viewed at Somebody makes these commercially for Moonies, Lancair's and other speed demons, but they are mucho $. : >>This means that a full spoiler landing also involves skidding on the >>main. (gee just like the Europa). LOL Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:47:02 -0600 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Speed brake details from 133RM Ron Lee wrote: > > Material is 1/16" AL. Width is the same as the belly > and the depth (front to back dimension) is 8" > > Two rows of holes, 6 holes in each row, 2.5" diameter. > Holes are on aligned above/below compared to the other row > > Full length hinge on the front. Hinge point is about > halfway between the front and aft spar. There is a piece of > spruce (?) about 1/2" square that runs between the sides to > which the hinge is bolted. > > The actuator is a handle between the seats. > > The placement looks like it is "about" halfway between the > leading and trailing portions of the wing. Someone with > better aerodynamics skills can comment on the effect of the > speed brake placement and changes in pitch when activating it. > > Ron Lee How about those flying with belly boards and flaps giving a report on how they really work. i.e. speeds, feel and rate of desent. Considering one for N4DD. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:18:59 EST From: Kr2jm@aol.com Subject: KR: Epoxy For Fuel Tanks What type of "Epoxy" should you use for making a glass fuel tank? I have been told that the epoxy that comes from Rand Robinson is ok if you only use 100LL av-gas. Jim Morehead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:43:03 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy For Fuel Tanks Kr2jm@aol.com wrote: > > What type of "Epoxy" should you use for making a glass fuel tank? I >have been told that the epoxy that comes from Rand Robinson is ok if >you only use 100LL av-gas. > Jim Morehead If you plan to use 100LL you can almost use any kind of epoxy but if you plan to mess with MoGas you will need to build your tanks out of polyester or vinylester resins. There are additives in some MoGas that have ruined tanks made with epoxy. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:56:43 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: "Essential" Crew Memebers (was First Flight) Ron Lee wrote: >About two months ago a Pulsar builder at MeadowLake airport had an >experienced Pulsar pilot come out to perform the first flight. I >witnessed the event and it was great. > >Then the test pilot came back and had the builder come fly with him >as an ESSENTIAL crew member. While this sounds like a great idea, it really doesn't meet the intent of the directives regarding test flying experimental aircraft. An "essential" crew member is one REQUIRED to operate the aircraft safely. Declaring someone as an "essential crew member" immediately following a solo first flight, taking a couple spins around the pattern dual, and then flying the next flight solo doesn't pass the common sense test, and certainly won't pass what I call the "Washington Post" test -- think about how the accident report would look in print. Think hard about the fact that you would be conducting experimental flight testing and pilot instruction at the same time, and assess the associated risk. I'm not an expert on the regulations, so if you want to pursue this method of getting checked out, check with the local FAA folks and see if there is a way to declare a "temporary" essential crew position. If this isn't permitted and you decide to do it anyway, add to your risk assessment that some insurance policies won't pay if you are injured/killed while performing an "illegal" activity. The better option would be to get checked out in type, have someone perform the first flight for you, brief you on any unusual characteristics of your airplane, and then make the decision on whether or not to fly the airplane yourself. Conservative, smart, legal. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 08:37:41 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: "Essential" Crew Memebers (was First Flight) EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > The better option would be to get checked out in type, have someone >perform the first flight for you, brief you on any unusual >characteristics of your airplane, and then make the decision on whether >or not to fly the airplane yourself. Conservative, smart, legal. Rick I agree with you 100% but what the person did (even though not legal) was probably better than trying it on his own. I think if the test pilot (experienced one in this case) found the airplane to have flight characteristics common to the type in question, then giving the owner a little dual was probably not a bad idea assuming the two individuals were small enough not to suddenly find themselves exploring how the new airplane handles when over gross and aft of CG limits. I don't know, I think if I were gonna break the law I would forget trying to break it a little (calling someone an essential crew member) and just do what I felt was the right thing at the time. :o) I said this before and I will say it again, once Sky Pig is flyable and I find it handles OK at gross weight I will be more than happy to give familiarization rides in it. I would hope that with the wider cockpit and heavier more powerful engine up front I would be able to help out the meat eating KR builders (IE Size Large). :o) Of course a fuel reimbursement (7 gallons of 100LL an hour) might be in order but that's not too bad of a price to pay for a good ride in a KR is it? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:58:44 +0200 From: 5253 Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Hi! Could I get a set of the drawings too? Juss from Estonia. juss@teleport.ee At 13:17 08.11.98 -0600, you wrote: >Allan, > >Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual >control. > >Rich > >Allan Horne wrote: > >> Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. >> >> Allan Horne > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:21:43 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: front deck Did most of you guys use your canopy frame or your instrument panel to determine the dimensions/arc for the rear of your front deck? I want to start making my front deck but havent got my canopy yet. I'm using a d-fly canopy (unless I get something else that I like real cheap) Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:09:49 -0600 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy For Fuel Tanks Mike Mims wrote: > > Kr2jm@aol.com wrote: > > > > What type of "Epoxy" should you use for making a glass fuel tank? I >have been told that the epoxy that comes from Rand Robinson is ok if >you only use 100LL av-gas. > > Jim Morehead > > If you plan to use 100LL you can almost use any kind of epoxy but if you > plan to mess with MoGas you will need to build your tanks out of > polyester or vinylester resins. There are additives in some MoGas that > have ruined tanks made with epoxy. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike I just took a look at your web page. What main gear are you using. Looks real good! Jean N4DD ( land of a thousand pin holes ) ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #177 *****************************